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wind
Mount Laurel, NJ
(Zone 7a)

December 6, 2007
12:14 PM

Post #4267072

Hi, great write up!
I love cardamom ~ never thought of what the plant would look like! My brother-in-law is from Jordan and introduced us to Turkish coffee. It is really good. I let him make it the real way (as in your recipe). I like the flavor so much, what I do is keep a bag of the green pods near the coffee supplies and when I grind coffee beans in the morning, I toss in 4 or so, pod and all, which of course gets trapped in the filter with the coffee grinds :)))))
The bread recipe looks good too, I'm going to print it out and hope to find time someday to try it. Thanks again!
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2007
1:10 PM

Post #4267241

wind, I'm so glad you enjoyed it. My Turkish coffee was a flop. I couldn't get it to foam properly. But the bread was great! try it if you get a chance.

thanks, jan
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 6, 2007
3:08 PM

Post #4267738

Great job, Jan - thanks!

Isn't the green cardamom (thanks for giving me the correct spelling, too) also one of the ingredients in Chai tea (one of my favorite drinks)?

Now, I do *not* need another indoor plant, thank you... or do I...
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2007
4:25 PM

Post #4268042

PC, you're right! I should have included that :)
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 6, 2007
4:28 PM

Post #4268052

Consider it included, lol!
bbrookrd
Nantucket, MA
(Zone 7a)

December 6, 2007
7:15 PM

Post #4268541

I so enjoyed your cardamon article this morning, which is one of my truly favorite herbaceous plants. I was given a tiny plant in the 70's by a dear friend's father who was a major grower in Guatemala in the 40's and 50's. It has survived each winter in my cool GH, but has never bloomed. The scent from the leaves is wonderful and the sentimental value of the gift is priceless, even if I never have a bloom. This man wrote an amazing and beautiful (in the hard cover version) book called The Book of Spices by Frederic Rosengarten, Jr. in 1969 which I also treasure as a great source. Thank you for the recipes. I drive out of my way to go to a tiny bakery in Greenfield Ma who make a mean cardamon bread. Patti
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2007
7:46 PM

Post #4268631

Amazon has that book for $45.00.

Thanks for this article. I've never cooked with cardamom.
Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2007
8:06 PM

Post #4268688

What a great article Jan. I could almost smell that bread - thank you!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 6, 2007
8:36 PM

Post #4268781

Nice job, Jan! Never tried it.
bbrookrd
Nantucket, MA
(Zone 7a)

December 6, 2007
8:45 PM

Post #4268813

flowrlady, a better source for an out of print copy is Addallbooks which is a giant search engine that lists what the all major OP dealers are selling on one site, not just amazon. Books are a main passion of mine so I spend a lot of time on this site. The hardback book is a nearly 500 page book with many plates and illustrations. The paper back is not worth buying as it was seriously edited and contains very few illustrations and plates. Patti

http://used.addall.com/SuperRare/RefineRare.fcgi?start=0&id=071206123526718180&dispCurr=USD&inTitle=the+book+of+spices&inAuthor=rosengarten+frederic&inDesc=&exTitle=&exAuthor=&exDesc=&match=Y&&order=PRICE&ordering=ASC

carrielamont

carrielamont
Milton, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2007
8:59 PM

Post #4268862

Oh Jan -- my daughter has celiac disease -- we can't eat wheat flour any more. Boo hiss. She's the only one around adventurous enough to try something like that bread with me. She'd probably like the Turkish coffee too. Congrats! Gorgeous pictures and wrap-around text! xx, Carrie
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2007
9:22 PM

Post #4268915

thanks, all.

Patti, how wonderful that you have nutured that plant all these years. From my reading, I'm not surprised it has never bloomed. The book sounds wonderful.

carrie, it must be very frustrating to have to avoid wheat. you must make a career out of reading food labels. although it might help me cut down on the starch in my diet. I'm terrible.

wind

wind
Mount Laurel, NJ
(Zone 7a)

December 6, 2007
10:18 PM

Post #4269044

Carrie, I'm just completing a report on substitutions for ww flour using sorghum flour in bread recipes in an undergraduate nutrition/experimental foods study I'm doing. If your daughter is able to consume dairy products (some with cd are lactose intolerant too) you may want to try this:

I found that if you modify a bread recipe to 1/3 potato starch then take the remaining 2/3's of the wheat flour and substitute a blend of 50%sorghum flour and 50%garbanzo flour, and add 1 tsp xanthan gum ...you might find yourself with a pretty darn good bread, just like the real deal :)

I bet it would work for this recipe...It might not be able to be braided, I'm not sure. and the nice part is since there is no gluten you can skip any kneading, resting and second proofing etc of the dough. Just combine it real well and let it rise with the yeast like normal, one rise should do it. Let me know if you try it :) ps: you probably should skip egg washing too, the structure is not as stable (uncooked) as a bread with gluten.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

December 6, 2007
11:19 PM

Post #4269200

Great article! I use cardamon but now have more information at my fingertips. Thanks.
Dutchlady1
Naples, FL
(Zone 10a)

December 7, 2007
2:03 AM

Post #4269759

I have used cardamom for years - nice to see more information about it.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Milton, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 7, 2007
10:19 AM

Post #4270522

Wind - we have just about every other kind of flour in the house - buckwheat, soy, rice, corn, sweet potato, but not sorghum. The thing is it's already one weird thing (cardamom) and then another weird thing (non wheat flour) and the rest of the family might not put up with it. Infidels x, C
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 7, 2007
3:40 PM

Post #4271219

carrie, do you have to tell 'em? cardamom isn't weird, just unfamiliar. I'd bet they've eaten it before and didn't know it.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Milton, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 7, 2007
4:28 PM

Post #4271406

With my lot, if it doesn't say "all MSG and artificially flavored, no whole grains or natural flavors present" on the label, they probably won't eat it. xx, Carrie
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 7, 2007
4:43 PM

Post #4271454

Thanks bbrook. I've ordered it, $8.00 total! Should get it sometime next week.
bbrookrd
Nantucket, MA
(Zone 7a)

December 8, 2007
4:31 PM

Post #4274585

I am sure you will treasure it. It has a massive amount of information in it. The recipes are a tad dated, but some are like lost souls, needing to be found, but the plant information is timeless. Patti
cactuspatch
Alamogordo, NM
(Zone 7b)

December 10, 2007
6:19 PM

Post #4280994

Enjoyed your article. I love cardamon. I have been adding it to apple pies and crisps for many years. I don't think I will try and grow it though, interesting to see how it is grown.
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 11, 2007
12:02 AM

Post #4281986

OMG - you weren't kidding it's expensive!!!! Compared to a brand where just about anything else was under $3.50, it was $14.00!!! Wow!
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 11, 2007
2:40 AM

Post #4282485

Can't say I didn't warn you LOL
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 11, 2007
2:57 AM

Post #4282547

Too true! And I thought saffron was bad... well, it *is* bad, but ...
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 11, 2007
11:37 AM

Post #4283456

actually, I was a bit 'sticker shocked', too. I was hoping to find a smaller amount. I love the taste, but it's going to be tough to use this much up while it still has good flavor. I should put it in the freezer.
cactuspatch
Alamogordo, NM
(Zone 7b)

December 11, 2007
5:52 PM

Post #4284426

OMG! I guess I haven't bought it in awhile. The good news is that mine has lasted a long time. I like to buy new spices every year usually. Carrie, mine are just the opposite. I don't have a Whole Foods in my area, so they bring their own food for me to cook when they come. It saves me having to shop at least!

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

December 11, 2007
6:00 PM

Post #4284449

Have you looked online at Frontier Herbs for it? http://www.frontiercoop.com/dspCmnPrd.php?p=p&cn=Cardamom%20Seed&ct=spicesaz

wind

wind
Mount Laurel, NJ
(Zone 7a)

December 11, 2007
7:12 PM

Post #4284644

I have found ethnic specialty stores that sell cardamom in larger volumes have the best buys :) They are great for other things too, cinnamon sticks, bulk dates you name it. Never shopped here before, but there are places like this online if you can't find one near your home
http://www.indianblend.com/site/664954/product/SP-91
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 11, 2007
9:00 PM

Post #4284930

I get some of my spices from Penzey's. There is a store w/in 30 minutes of my house.

http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penzeys/p-penzeyscardamom.html

...but I've never used cadamom. It seems like I am missing out on something!
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 11, 2007
10:55 PM

Post #4285264

Thanks - Pat and Darius, those links are a lot more reasonable, I should've known better.
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 11, 2007
11:50 PM

Post #4285428

Great links! thanks, everyone. wow, what a huge difference in price! I couldn't even find the whole green pods. I didn't have time to look for it online because I had to get the article done. but I sure will bookmark all of these for future reference.
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 12, 2007
5:21 PM

Post #4287920

Since I've found Penzey's, I like to go there for spices. They seem to be fresher than what I can get in my chain grocery store.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

December 14, 2007
12:40 AM

Post #4292218

grampapa, Penzey's carries whole cardamon, and whole cardamon pods.
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 14, 2007
1:41 AM

Post #4292484

Thanks, darius. I already checked them out and saw it. I just didn't have time to order online for the article. Had to rely on my local supermarket
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 14, 2007
5:55 PM

Post #4294546

well, there's always a next time. Sometimes it's hard to plan ahead, tho.
Islandshari
Kwajalein
Marshall Islands
(Zone 11)

December 17, 2007
4:08 AM

Post #4302754

Jan, just had a chance to read this wonderful article on a familiar old friend. You did a great job with the pictures and taking us all into your kitchen for a bite of that lovely bread. Cardamom is used in a lot of cookie recipes that I bake up during the holidays, and I have a similar fruit bread that also calls for it. As for Turkish coffee... my husband had a bit too much of it when we lived in Saudi Arabia, so will not touch it now, and I can live without the heavy sweetness of that kind of coffee. But for baking, it is the best. Thanks for bringing it to the attention it deserves!

Yokwe,
Shari
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 17, 2007
5:57 AM

Post #4303082

Shari, thanks for the very nice comments. I've just found some cookie recipes that sound pretty good. I'll probably try one or two for the holidays.
doccat5
Fredericksburg, VA
(Zone 7b)

December 20, 2007
2:46 PM

Post #4313179

Wonderful article! Now I got to have me some of that! LOL We are coffee drinkers here and I dying to try the turkish coffee. Thank so much!
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 20, 2007
3:17 PM

Post #4313262

hope you enjoy it! thanks...jan

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