I know some of you are growing the Open Pollinated Ramapo Tomato seed which Carolyn was so kind to share with us. Sometime months ago there was news out of Rutger's University that seed might be available in the future. They suggested writing and getting on a wailing list which is what I did. Several folks, including Carolyn, have been contacted regarding the release of this variety again; this has been discussed at several web sites.. This afternoon I received an official notice of the availabilty of the Ramapo Seed; this follows much "news" coverage about it. I have reservations about listing it here but know that many of you are interested!
Several folks, including Carolyn, have been contacted regarding the release of this variety again;
No Gary, I was not contacted at all. I've been in contact with the two Profs who are behind all of this and when I started to dehybridize Ramapo I was sent 6 F1 plants when I started, from a friend in NJ who got them at a farm stand where the farmer had sandbagged some F1 seedsl
I saved the seeds from those F1's and then needed some F1's to compare with the F2 grow outs. That's when I contacted Rutgers and was sent some F1 seed. That was maybe 5-6 years ago.
And even at that time the talk at Rutgers was breeding some disease tolerances into it and trying to get it in production again, which they couldn't do themselves.
When you read the link you'll see that seed production is in Israel, that 30 seeds cost $4 plus shipping and that no comment is made about making seeds available thru commercial seed sources. Harris Seeds and TGS were the last places where you could buy seed before there were no seeds left except at Rutgers where they maintained the two parents.
We have a local farm that grew the plants from seeds from Rutgers. I bought a plant at their yearly plant sale. I thought it was the tastiest tomato I have had in years. Not a great quantity of tomatoes and the plant didn't really look all that good. But I plan on trying them again. I hope they have more this year because I will buy more plants. The tomatoes the farm grew won first prize at the NJ State Fair.
That means that from the hybrid I saved seeds, then the F2 seeds, or next generation, or 2nd filial (F) generation.
I made a selection of a plant and fruit that most resembled the F1 hybird and saved seeds, now the F3 seeds, and in making the selection I had some Ramapo hybrid plants to compare with my selection and the selection looked pretty darn good as being very close to the original
When others received those F3 seeds I sent out they did the same thing, that is, making sure their selection looked good, and then saved seed, now the F4 generation seed.
Repeat until the current generation for those who kept going is the F6 generation, or F6 Ramapo, which is what you have.
I know of a few folks who have F6 Ramapo seed they produced them selves by continual selection each year and I bet you got those seeds from one of them.
Well that was redundant b'c obviously you did. LOL
So, if I grow this and select a plant to save seeds from, I must redistribute as Ramapo F7?
Melissa, I was lucky and it was pretty much genetically stable at the F3 generation. So by now it is stable and you can do whatever you want to with it. Grow it, enjoy the fruits, save your own seed, then the F7 seed.
That's what most folks have been doing, as in in grow out out whatever F generation they receive and then saving their own seed.
YOu can do whatever you want to with your F7 seeds in terms of sharing, keeping, whatever.
Most of the time when a selection is made from a hybrid and it's fully stable, as this one is, no longer is an F generation associated with the name, but in this specific case folks have chosen to do that, and I find that interesting.
Another example where most folks tend to indicate the F generation of a selection made from a hybrid is with the cherry tomato Santa.
Kim and members, I ordered my Ramapo seed way back when they first came on line about the availability. So, I sent an e-mail and this is their response -----
NJ Farm Fresh to me
Feb 18 (12 days ago )
Gary – The Ramapo Tomato seed is still being packed by the packing house. We have asked them to see if they can finish sooner, but it is likely that it will be sent to you the first week of March (as indicated on our order form).
So looks like we will get the tomato seed when ever ...
Bill, I hope to have the Ramapo seed in time for germination. I should have some extra seedlings and can save them for you in case you plan to be in this direction. I want to grow it and compare to the OP Ramapo.
Let me know if you plan to be this way (Louisville) sometime in late April.
Glad I didn't bother ordering any new Ramapo F1. Sounds like ... oh well ... I went ahead a planted 24 Moreton F1s yesterday. Probably not all that much difference, huh?
No Bill, in my experience Moreton Hybrid, Supersonic, Jet Star and Ramapo are not all that different. All were some of the earliest F1 hybrids created and are darn good varieties with respect to growth, blemish free fruits, excellent production and very good taste.
The hype that Rutgers has put out shouldn't shadow some of the ones I mentioned above, but as long as they're collecting the money, so be it.
Now, if we could just get Mark Willetts at Harris to push someone to get Moreton F1 back in production...say I knowing I've still got a few seeds left. LOL
Gary, thanks for the offer. Maybe we can swap some plants this spring.
Carolyn, Stokes sells another tomato called Ultrasonic and says it compares to Jet Star and Moreton. I wonder, since they also say Ultrasonic is a determinate, semi-bush, 65 DTM. I also started a couple dozen Ultrasonics yesterday. Do you happen to know who bred this variety?
No, I didn't find out whether Uncle Wayne (Carl is his real name) sells the Moreton F1 seed, but he is a very nice fellow and sincerely wants to improve his Web site with regard to correcting any misinformation about the many varieties he sells.
His business apparently started out as a hobby, then backyard cottage industry, and now maybe is blossoming into a full time occupation. When folks pointed out that some of the blurbs for his tomato plants contained errors, I contacted him and said I would forward some minor corrections and he truly appreciated and encouraged the correct information. He took no offense whatever. Most of his errors are simple things like calling an open pollinated variety a hybrid, etc. All his errors are unintentional. Most of his blurbs are copied from seed catalogs and I think he was guessing at some of the hybrid versus open pollinated designations because the seed catalog either didn't give that info or because the seed catalog had the variety sandwiched between two hybrids on the same page ... something like that.
Anyway, if anyone were to kindly point out such mistakes to Carl in a friendly and constructive way (rather than in a brutally critical manner), I bet he would be most appreciative and take action when he has time to make the corrections. Right now I'd bet he is as busy as a cat in a sandbox with his seed starting activities. Carl also seems very open to any new-to-him (and to his customers) varieties. I sent him several in return for his kind gift of the Moreton seeds.
I got my Ramapo seeds two days ago. The packet I opened contained 41 seeds about .10 a seed. Now for planting. I have this seed, a F6 and OP seed grown out 20+ years. Maybe I will have a little comparison this year.
Bill, I shared Grandfather Ashlock tomato, Kentucky Heirloom, with Carl aka Uncle Wayne. I included the description to that one and a number of others. He was delighted with the description and how Tennessee Britches got its name.
I received my Ramapo F1 Seed today as well. I am looking forward to growing it and comparing it with the open pollinated seed I have.