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bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 21, 2008
5:55 AM

Post #4431779

I know we've discussed this before, but we are getting literally crucified by a heron. I thought our ponds were deep enough (and our top pond is), but it is getting into the lower pond and has gotten at least one and maybe some. We have the fake alligator, that's worthless, this is our second heron invasion. Any ideas?

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backspace
Saint Charles, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 21, 2008
3:32 PM

Post #4432642

bsavage, you have a very nice looking pond. I have a problem every Spring and Fall too. When I first started water gardening I lost many fish to the herons. I have found the best cure is to net the entire pond for a few weeks. Cosmetically I don't like it but it discourages the heron(s). They tend to stay away because they cannot get to the fish. I always know when the heron(s) have been by the pond because the fish stay at the very bottom of the pond or underneath the bridge that gives them coverage. It also deters the coons that come around too. Hope this helps.
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 21, 2008
3:34 PM

Post #4432652

Thanks, backspace. We've added more things for them to hide under. Might have to do the net thing. It's good to hear that you don't have to leave it on year round.
backspace
Saint Charles, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 21, 2008
3:39 PM

Post #4432681

bsavage ,the more places for them to hide the better. You never know when those heron will strike. They are so camouflaged in the trees around my property. I also get the little bird too that someone told me was a kingfisher, he likes the fish too. Keep in touch and let me know how it works out for you.
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 21, 2008
11:09 PM

Post #4434796

Thanks again!
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 22, 2008
2:07 AM

Post #4435689

What do I know? Just a thought. Maybe an alligator in Arizona is a stretch for the heron. What is his natural predator? No idea. But maybe a little investigation would turn up some sort of deterent. Fake snake? Really don't have a clue but you get the jist. Sure hope you are able to find a solution. After watching the building of your pond from the beginning, sure don't want you to have trouble now.

Ciao,
LouC
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 22, 2008
3:24 AM

Post #4436172

I got the bird nets that you drape over trees, and put them over my pond (floated a couple of beach balls to keep them off the surface of the water) After a few weeks, the herons moved on. They tend to go where they can wade in the shallow water and get to food easily. The nets made it not so easy. They say if you dont have shallow wading areas, they are greatly distracted by steep deep edges. I eventually changed the edges to go straight down instantly, and left only a few plant shelf areas. It has really reduced the problem.
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 22, 2008
3:28 AM

Post #4436188

Thanks, all. We only have a small area of plant shelves, but apparently just enough. Lou C... tonight the heron flew over, and it was being chased by one of the hawks that live here! I google info, and birds of prey (including hawks), can go after the heron. Go Hawks!!!
adavisus
Clayton, NC
(Zone 8a)

January 22, 2008
8:01 AM

Post #4437147

A net of a 4" (?) mesh... as used to make the goal net in soccer always struck me as a convenient predator net to deter herons, suspended 2' over a pond as an effective barrier, not so difficult to stretch over planted areas, fairly easy to put up or put away...

Regards, andy
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bellieg
Virginia Beach, VA

January 23, 2008
1:16 PM

Post #4442122

It is hearrt breaking to loss kois to the herons and I say it again that netting is the only way. there are several ponders with nets over their pond and here is mine. Az ponds sells netting and very reasonable. Bellie

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bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 23, 2008
3:18 PM

Post #4442511

That is a good setup, bellieg.

crazy4brugs

crazy4brugs
Kansasville, WI
(Zone 5a)

January 23, 2008
9:06 PM

Post #4443924

Sorry to hear about your Herons. Let me try to explain what I have seen. It is 4 tall poles, 10' or so put in the ground and strong fishing line is strung back and forth across it in a square pattern. It is kept up all year, because it is so tall you can walk under it and its barely visible when you look up. Its cheap to make. Good Luck.
Laserkoi
Sarasota, FL

January 23, 2008
9:15 PM

Post #4443959

A scarecrow works good. It is like a sprinkler
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 23, 2008
11:19 PM

Post #4444444

Thanks for the input, all! So far, the hawks are still chasing it away!
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 24, 2008
3:43 AM

Post #4445811

I just use the bird netting for fruit trees for a couple of weeks, they seem to then move on...Every year about the same time, they come back. Herons (and others like them) are not water birds, they are wading birds, so can only handle the shallow water at the edges, and wade into slightly deeper water, but will not get their feathers wet, so basically the depth of their leg length is their max. Deep straight down edges can prevent them entering your pond. My larger pond is now pretty much a heron free zone. Every now and then a heron will attempt to take a fish from the edge, but it usually injures them, but they can't take them. My shallow pond needs the netting from time to time, but I don't leave it on permanently.
Heartbreaking to lose a great fish, but...I have LaserKoi's email, and I order something pretty to replace it!
The "scarecrows" do infact work, against other creatures too...birds, dogs, cats, racoons and possums, kids,lol, etc... It shoots a water jet at whatever crosses the beam...you just attach them to your hose...
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 24, 2008
3:50 AM

Post #4445839

We only have a small area where there are shallow plant shelves, heck, it's really hard for us to get in! I think it (the heron) has fallen in during it's efforts. Lots of icky residue on the water surface when it's gotten in... we don't know if that is oil from it's feathers or something more sinister. It has not been in the pond in days now, we didn't see it come by at all today, and I work from home, my computer is right in front of the window looking out at the pond.

Does anyone know a good place to get those water shooting scarecrows?
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 24, 2008
3:54 AM

Post #4445851

Funny you should say that! That's how I know someone is missing, the surface oil/goo that's on my pond! It always indicates that the heron was there. He always comes just at daybreak, when the sun is barely coming up, still slightly dark outside...
I've seen the scarecrows on ebay, but have also seen them on the online nursery links. I'll see if I can find a company name for you and attach a link.
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 24, 2008
3:55 AM

Post #4445855

Thanks, MerryMary! I'll check ebay, too.
Charlotteda
Pickens, SC
(Zone 7a)

January 24, 2008
1:35 PM

Post #4446570

I tried the Scarecrow too and it does work well but it couldnt help me with the birds that dive into the water so I had to resort to the netting. I hated doing it but got tired of loosing fish.

charlotte
azreno
Mesa, AZ
(Zone 9b)

January 26, 2008
3:14 PM

Post #4456250

Hey brenda, sorry to hear you're getting hit. I, too, would've thought your pond was deep enough to deter them. I've heard stories about herons figuring out those motion sensing shooters.The big problem for you is how out in the open the pond is. Covering is your best bet, something like what bellieg has (very nice btw!) A PVC frame (make it as big as you need to, putting in tee's for reinforcement across the whole things), cover with a nursery netting, or a gazebo built over the whole thing.

I live near the gilbert riparian preserve and have had them visit but never in the pond. I always thought the depth was a factor but I also know the shade thingy around the back keeps them from having a good takeoff because they're so big.

Good luck!
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 26, 2008
3:45 PM

Post #4456388

Thanks, Lynn. Yes, we need more cover, that's for sure. Apparently it is getting in at the one shallow area at the end, so if nothing else, I may have to net that area. I think you're right about them not having room to take off from your pond, your shade area and structure are awesome, and I can see how protected they make the pond.
azreno
Mesa, AZ
(Zone 9b)

January 26, 2008
3:52 PM

Post #4456407

I hate to see have to net the pond...I'm sure that wonderful man of yours will make you something very nice!
bellieg
Virginia Beach, VA

January 26, 2008
8:36 PM

Post #4457521

I can still see my kois through the net and it is tall enough to work inside with out bending. My first netting was draped over the pond and when our son visited he made a comment that it was soooo unsightly!! We paid a fortune for it and to cover it that way does not do any justice and so he designed it. Now I can have peace of mind and the herons still come. They are huge!!!! Netting is the only way if you want peace of mind. Good luck. bellie
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 27, 2008
5:53 PM

Post #4460658

Here is the culprit...

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sannajane
Eureka, CA

January 27, 2008
6:18 PM

Post #4460728

Good thread... I've had a small (very) pond for only a year now, and have wanted to add some fish but worried I'd lose them to raccoons very quickly. Hadn't thought about birds... I did look briefly but didn't see anything specific to coons. Do most folks use the netting to deter them? Is that enough?

Thanks in advance for any info you can help me with!

Sanna
joegee
Bucyrus, OH
(Zone 6a)

January 27, 2008
8:23 PM

Post #4461214

A garden cat might help. Unfortunately they can prey on smaller birds. :(
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 27, 2008
9:19 PM

Post #4461455

A shame that the Heron is such a predator. A really beautiful photo.
mare200
Allentown, NJ
(Zone 6b)

January 29, 2008
5:24 PM

Post #4469568

I used an 18 inch fence, came in brown or green wire, around the pond twice. Space 2nd one 12 inches apart from the 1st. A heron cannot "step over"! I concealed it with hostas and pachasandra. From as little as 5 feet you couldn't see the fence. Heron used to sit on the porch roof and try to figure out how to get over and finally quit trying.
Good luck
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 29, 2008
6:38 PM

Post #4469872

Mare, that is an interesting idea. This heron always lands in an open area behind the pond, and walks around and up to the pond. Hmmmmm...
rylaff
Niceville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 31, 2008
12:16 PM

Post #4477499

Bird netting used here also. But in addition to the heron problem, I also get snakes that eat my goldfish and shubunkins. My bird netting is laid on the surface so that it is not horribly noticable and then a couple of glass balls under the net to make sure the net does not sink below surface level.

Bettypauze

Bettypauze
Victoria Harbour, ON

February 8, 2008
4:35 PM

Post #4511937

Put a fake "heron" that I cut and painted next to my pond...

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

February 8, 2008
8:37 PM

Post #4512792

BettyP...Beautiful!
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

February 8, 2008
10:21 PM

Post #4513080

That is beautiful!!
annabelle15
Niles, MI
(Zone 5a)

February 18, 2008
12:36 AM

Post #4552136

If all else fails, I have a recipe for "Stuffed Heron"...HaHa!!
I used large fire crackers, M-80s, after 5 of them the heron left and never came back. I lit them and fired them with a slingshot, at him of coiurse.
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

February 18, 2008
12:43 AM

Post #4552176

That sounds effective!!
Laserkoi
Sarasota, FL

February 18, 2008
2:32 AM

Post #4552823

Just as I read the title again
Heron= part of having a pond.
Hope it has gone away.
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

February 18, 2008
5:06 AM

Post #4553617

With some encouragement, it has been away. ☺
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

February 18, 2008
1:05 PM

Post #4554439

Uhg...heron took my gin rin kohaku butterfly yesterday...as I was running toward the pond screaming at him. Back on the hunt to find one...
blah...
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

February 19, 2008
12:15 AM

Post #4557320

Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that, Mary. It is so upsetting when something is stalking our pets, and that's the way I feel about it. Just as bad as if something were stalking one of our dogs or cats.

Hugs to you...

Brenda
snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

February 19, 2008
2:13 AM

Post #4557816

Awe Darn MerryMary. I've got a raccoon hunting here in the dead of winter. Luckily the koi are laying low in the deepest part of the pond. Next spring it will probably be my turn with heron problems. Lost one fish last year. It's maddening. Hang in there MerryMary.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

February 19, 2008
2:25 AM

Post #4557884

The weather has warmed up, so the fish are more active now and coming up to bask in the sun around the edge. Doggone herons...before I had koi ponds they were my favorite bird... It was a pretty big koi too, so I hope he didn't just drop it in a neighbors yard somewhere. It was probably 12-14 inches.
snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

February 19, 2008
11:36 PM

Post #4561568

Just had a Master Gardener class today on wildlife. Heron problems were a hot topic. According to the wildlife officer there only three ways that work consistently. Net the pond for at least a two week period when they begin to migrate into your area - or crisscross the pond at narrow intervals with fishing line. The easiest method is to tie red and white strips of reflective mylar to stakes in one or possibly two places (more if a large pond) so that the mylar flutters in the wind. The stakes have to be moved to different locations or the herons begin to figure out that they are not a threat. I'm trying to find a source for the mylar.
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

February 19, 2008
11:38 PM

Post #4561580

Couldn't you just buy a couple of mylar balloons and cut them up? Or, I've seen mylar ribbon sold at places that sell the mylar balloons, too. Might have to give that a try. Thanks for the tip!
linden
Lewiston, ID
(Zone 5b)

February 24, 2008
7:02 PM

Post #4582440

I, too, have lost many fish to herons. Herons are territorial, so I bought a fake, life size, looking heron and placed it by my pool. This fake heron has to be moved now and then to "look real". I also bought a long, screened tunnel and placed it on the bottom of my pond which is a perfect get-away and a hiding place. These have been in place for over a year and I have lost no fish.
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

February 24, 2008
8:32 PM

Post #4582767

More good ideas! We've made more "hiding places" for the fish, too. Thanks!
liz070453
Sayre, OK
(Zone 7b)

February 25, 2008
4:46 PM

Post #4586333

A few months after we got our pond in a blue heron got all my fish. I purchased a plastic heron decoy (at the pond shop) and move him around different areas of the pond every few days. Haven't had any more problems. I understand that herons are very territorial birds. Good luck.
bellieg
Virginia Beach, VA

June 1, 2011
11:39 AM

Post #8601713

bump for netting design
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

June 1, 2011
7:42 PM

Post #8602931

I live on a lake so I'm surprised it took 5 years, but herons finally found me too! I've lost all my larger fish. I'm especially disappointed that the herons got my golden orfes. I haven't been able to find any place that sells them anymore. Although I hate to lose any of my fish, I refuse to net the pond or do the fishing line treatment. I guess I don't like having anything detract from the appearance of the pond itself. I have had good success with a motion activated jet sprayer. I now only lose fish when the sprayer is accidentally left off.
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

June 1, 2011
11:55 PM

Post #8603234

Songs, I am sorry to hear that you have lost some of your fish. I remember how very beautiful your pond is. How about some new pictures? We are re-doing our little tiny pond here in Colorado... it will become more waterfall and less pond. I think we'll be having no more fish. It's a little too heartbreaking for me. Unless I change my mind.

Brenda
bellieg
Virginia Beach, VA

June 2, 2011
3:33 AM

Post #8603307

We played golf in one of the 23 clubs that we had played few weeks ago and a lot of the homes back yards had pond less water falls . The designs were all different and enjoyed the sight. Happy ponding!!!! Bellie
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

June 3, 2011
6:52 PM

Post #8607074

Thanks, Brenda! I haven't taken many new pictures. I think I may have posted one from last year on another thread a couple weeks ago (but since you asked, here it is again :)

BTW - a pondless stream is a great option too if you decide to go that route. I remember you had a huge pond in the desert, right? I'm sure whatever you decide to build will be wonderful!


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bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

June 5, 2011
1:15 PM

Post #8610898

So, so beautiful!!! And yes, we had the big ponds in the desert. Can't wait to see what DH Tony does with this one!

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

June 5, 2011
7:28 PM

Post #8611695

Dun, dun, dun... :(

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bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

June 5, 2011
11:18 PM

Post #8611955

OMG! Is that for real? At your garden? Get the fishing line up!!!

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

June 6, 2011
11:51 AM

Post #8613016

13 years in this house and have never seen one. Completely freaked out! My pond is really difficult to get in and out of, deep, sides straight up and down. Surrounded by foot high metal lattice to keep the pups out. Hopefully he realized it was not going to work. If my dear little Spike was still with me he'd take care of that Heron :)
bsavage
Dolores, CO
(Zone 5b)

June 6, 2011
12:27 PM

Post #8613088

Wow. I hope it realizes it can't get at your fish also. Scary.
bellieg
Virginia Beach, VA

August 16, 2013
2:40 PM

Post #9632714

Bump for a friend who wants to check my original pond cover
bellieg
Virginia Beach, VA

August 16, 2013
2:49 PM

Post #9632724

bump
pondlove
Lewes, DE

August 17, 2013
2:32 PM

Post #9633551

I also have had heron visit my pond even though I live adjacent to the Delaware Inland Bays which are full of fish. I have the heron decoy. My heron thinks its a lunch date. I bought a pair of gator heads this spring. The only things they are good for are conversation pieces and a place for the fish to hide under. I put up netting only in the fall because I live in a wooded area and that helps with keeping leaves out. The ONLY thing that I have found that works is a fountainhead on my secondary pump. I aim the spray to go diagonally across the pond. Heron do not like to get wet so this keeps him from getting into the pond. My pond has steep sides but has a raised plant ledge in the middle. He likes to land on that plant ledge, but with the fountain running, he doesn't even try. I'd rather have the beauty and noise of a spray of water than an net. Good luck with whatever solution you think may work for you. Ponding is a never-ending learning experience.

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BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

August 17, 2013
4:22 PM

Post #9633634

My first pond is 5 yrs. old. Heron was on yard fence looking down into it and I ran out and shewed it away. Have metal fake one right at that spot. They are down back of our pasture near canal and thats ok but he had better not come back up in front yard now that I have 2 ponds with koi in them. We have what is called great blue herons and they are beautiful but they can lunch someplace else. I have netting because of leaf drop. Both ponds are under oak tree so significant leaf drop in fall. Husb. had right idea. If he ever comes back pop him off and stuff him and put him out near ponds. Lived in our home 43 years and there always has been a few around here but didn't matter until I started bldg. ponds.
I'm not bragging but so far have never lost any fish due to predators. Lost enough to different deseases sure don't want herons too.
Bsavage, sure hope by now you are rid of herons.
Bonnie
annabelle15
Niles, MI
(Zone 5a)

October 22, 2013
4:24 AM

Post #9691812

Try this: my DH carefully painted a plastic flamingo to match the blue herons here . We placed it by the pond and no more visits, he moves it about once a week, so far all of the fish are safe. the real one, circles and squakes ut does not land.

Corsetiere

Corsetiere
Columbus, OH

April 7, 2014
7:59 AM

Post #9806831

We too leave our net up for a few crucial weeks in spring. We've found that after a certain amount of time the herons do not pass by our area again for the season.

Also we have created a rock shelter beneath the water for the koi. We used two tall rocks and one large, thin, flat rock on top as the lintel. Think aquatic stonehenge. ;)
It works great and they really seem to like it. You just need to make sure you pick smooth rocks because the koi will try to pack themselves into the shelter like sardines and they can hurt themselves on sharp surfaces. If you don't feel like constructing anything, a lot of pond supply companies sell something called the Koi Castle which also works as a shelter.

I also have felt like shooting the herons when they swallowed 4 of my koi in one landing, but it's worth noting they are a protected species (at least in my area) - so no heron taxidermy allowed. One year the jerks even toppled all of my floating planters so I had to try to vacuum aquatic soil off the bottom of the pond!
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2014
8:28 AM

Post #9806874

Corsetiere

Do you have problems in the fall as well with the herons? Seems like that is when I have seen them. Our problem is that we live between 2 rivers so the herons fly from one river over the the other river.

Corsetiere

Corsetiere
Columbus, OH

April 7, 2014
2:15 PM

Post #9807137

Yes, they do make their way past our house in the fall again (I've seen one on the roof of our garage) but they have not caught any fish in the Fall. We usually have our net up in the fall due to leaves. I think the fish seem to be less wary in the spring and more susceptible to predation.

I was honestly shocked to see our first heron because our house is in a very urban environment but I guess since the Olentangy River is fairly close, it is still appealing to them.

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