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Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

January 24, 2008
7:23 AM

Post #4446262

here is a comparison, -- what else is out there? what do you grow?

Thumbnail by Michaelp
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David_Paul
Clinton, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 24, 2008
2:27 PM

Post #4446752

None of the above yet but I did order Bhut Jolokia seeds from New Mexico State U yesterday. The lady who took the order said germination can take almost two months. Did yours take that long, Michaelp?
kanita
Los Angeles, CA
(Zone 10a)

January 24, 2008
2:51 PM

Post #4446842

I don't know about Michael, but I know I have had some peppers take that long, but now, I make sure to keep the seed warm til they sprout, about 80 degrees or so.
smokemaster
North Hills, CA

January 24, 2008
4:57 PM

Post #4447498

I have all of them plus Trinidad Scorpions,Scotch Bonnets and a few other hots/super hots.
My super hots took about 2 weeks to pop up then they grow real slow so far.
They were sprouted in a south facing window around New Years give or take.
Dorsets seem to be the most fragile so far of the super hots.
Red Savinas are growing lots faster.3 times the size of the rest.
critterologist
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6b)

January 24, 2008
5:26 PM

Post #4447627

Wowza! I admit it, I'm a wimp. My heat tolerance tops out with 'Red Savinas' and similar habs. Michael sent me a 'Naga Morich' and the only flavor I could taste was "pain."

Check out the thumbnail photo at the top of my article today to see the difference bottom heat can make on germinating peppers. It used to take me that long just to get those seeds to sprout! http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/556/
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

January 24, 2008
11:49 PM

Post #4449185

I use a heat mat under the seed trays, with a thermostat, --it speeds things up a lot and also improves the germ rate a bunch, --I had Bhut Jolokia in 9 days that were an inch tall, [ not all of them --but some] they will sprout for a coupple of weeks, --they are a little variable in the sprouting times-----Michael Porter
David_Paul
Clinton, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 24, 2008
11:54 PM

Post #4449208

Michaelp...guess my $5 package of Bhut Jolokia seeds is going to turn into a $70 plus or minus investment in a two tray heating pad and thermostat. I needed it anyways. This just pushes me over the edge into buying. What temp do you suggest? Around 85?
critterologist
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6b)

January 25, 2008
12:12 AM

Post #4449299

I'd suggest 80'F, no more than 82'F. And although I did provide alternatives and links to plans using Christmas rope lights etc. in today's article, I think the "official" seedling heat mats might be your best bet... I got mine from Park's, and they have a combo deal where you save a little by buying the mat and thermostat together. But check the Watchdog, as some folks have reported shipping delays and customer service problems with them lately (mostly with regard to plant orders, though, I think).
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

January 25, 2008
10:49 AM

Post #4451356

Mine came from Parks also, -I like the thermostat temp switch, --as the temp in the greenhouse changes a lot, --I think I cooked some seed before I added that, --in the morning the temp in the greenhouse may be in the 40's, in the afternoon it may top 100 degrees, --if the heat mat was still on, --the seed was getting very hot, --- some of this seed is not very vigorus anyway, and needs all the help it can get. --also be sure not to fertilize until after germination, -I have lost quite a few that way also, and for pepper seed you need well drained seed starting medium, ---- Michael
David_Paul
Clinton, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 25, 2008
12:01 PM

Post #4451423

Critterologist...that was true with my orders with Parks. Three seed and supply orders were fine. Happy with everything. Dinner Plate Dahlias were delayed almost a month. The tubers grew to throw off wonderful blossoms. But the season was a month shortly than it should have been.

Looks like this is turning into a two flat heating mat, a thermostat plus two bio-domes. That looks to be the best deal at Parks right now.

Appreciate your article. I had been thinking for two days if I really needed a heat mat and then if I really needed a thermostat. For the number of pepper and eggplants I'm starting, I do (started 125 tomatoes last year and they did fine with no bottom heat...about 5 days to germination for all the cultivars).
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

January 26, 2008
1:05 PM

Post #4455845

I grew some "trinidad Scorpions", --they were not hot and did not look right either, --I suposedly have some seed on the way to try again, --I don't know what the others realy were but my Jalapinos had more heat than those, --good flavor and productive though, --I may keep them around just to can with a few hot ones to make a nice eating snack, -I like to munch peppers while eating other food, ----I still have some Bishops crown left from a great trade, I like to can and eat those also, -- What else is real hot--I don't believe the promo-jive until I hear from a real grower, --
smokemaster
North Hills, CA

January 26, 2008
6:52 PM

Post #4457171

I wonder if your Trinidad Scorpions were really trinidad perfume since they had no heat or got crossed with something.
did they look like trinidad scorpions?
The only scorpions I've ever eaten were from a friend and they hotter than most hot peppers,at least equal to Red Savinas.
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

January 26, 2008
7:01 PM

Post #4457204

They did not have the tail, --so I am sure they were something else, -they were a little hot and sweet, --when you get things from E-bay or a few "seed suppliers" you are never sure what will turn out, --the Naga Morich, Dorset Naga, Bhut Jolokia, I got were extreemly hot, --but only one seed was vaible,when I got the Naga Morich --but now I have lots, --a little of those goes a long way, --Michael
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

February 6, 2008
7:44 AM

Post #4501505

Smokemaster --thanks for a great trade, ---Michael
BronxBoy
Lawrenceville, GA
(Zone 7b)

February 13, 2008
2:40 PM

Post #4532765

What's a Trinidad Scorpion???

That's a new one to me.

BB
smokemaster
North Hills, CA

February 13, 2008
8:37 PM

Post #4534322

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/163203/


http://www.thechileman.org/trinidad_peppers.php

Hot stuff.
BronxBoy
Lawrenceville, GA
(Zone 7b)

February 13, 2008
9:11 PM

Post #4534433

SO like, who really eats these things???
smokemaster
North Hills, CA

February 14, 2008
12:05 AM

Post #4534988

I do.They have a flavor that milder peppers don't have.
Caution is advised when handling these fireballs.
They can be mixed with other peppers so you get the taste but not all the heat.

They are good for entertainment purposes too.
Especially if you have a sweet or mild pepper that looks like an ultra hot.
Walk into work chewing on a red seasoning pepper (mild to sweet taste) complaining that your trinidads aren't hot this season.
Make sure they see you bite into the pepper your eating.
Hand some sucker the real thing and ask them what they think while you pop another look alike into your mouth whole.

They are great for shutting up that guy who says there isn't such a thing as a pepper hot enough that he can't eat it whole.

Instead of using a dozen other peppers to heat up your hot sauce recipe you only have to wave a Bhut Jolokia over the stuff your making to make it hot.

beclu727

beclu727
Dacula, GA
(Zone 7b)

February 15, 2008
2:20 PM

Post #4541369

Smokemaster,

ROFLMAO on the trick to your co-workers. It reminds me of my son when we first moved to GA from TX. I was growing jalapenos for salsa. DS was 7 and loved to pick and eat them off the plant. He gave one of them to a neighbor kid who ran home crying. The mom was not amused to say the least. He still like it hot. (He's 31 now.) I grow hot ones for him to make curry past for asian cooking. Usually the Thai ones.

Becky
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

February 20, 2008
12:40 AM

Post #4561833

I agree, --the flavor is great, and it takes a lot less pepper, --I just made a Quart jar of hot sauce,- vinegar, salt, Bhut Jolokia, --it will last quite a while, --1/2 tsp is all I can stand in my 3 egg omelet, --but it is OHHH, --SO --GOOD
smokemaster
North Hills, CA

February 20, 2008
1:51 AM

Post #4562198

From what I've read the hot sauce producers and peppers growers are trying to find a way to copyright or patent the Bhut Jolokia so they can rake in the bucks when it gets grown commercially here.
Instead of using a ton of other peppers they will be able to use 1/10 th the amount of Bhut Jolokias instead when they make their sauces,salsas etc..
If a grower could get rights to the pepper and seed they could get a royalty whenever someone uses it for anything.
What makes Bhuts so attractive is that it is a big pepper not like other hots like Chiletepin,Pequin etc.

There are too many variations of the Bhut that a patent or copyright isn't going to happen most likely.



HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

February 20, 2008
1:07 PM

Post #4563695

i am growing them for the first time this season. in fact, i will start some seeds later today. i like hot peppers but these seem over the top but still i just want to see what happens.

can anyone give me some secret hints on how to grow them. i am not a newbie to growing plants from seeds but if there is anything special i could do to increase my chances. by the way, i live in upstate new york. my last frost date is may 15th but i don't put my stuff out until june 1st. my hot peppers and eggplants are the only ones i keep upstairs in the heated part of my house until it is time to harden them off. my tomatoes i put down in unheated basement after they get their second set of leaves and are about 5 inches tall.

thanks for any help with the bhut's.
BronxBoy
Lawrenceville, GA
(Zone 7b)

February 20, 2008
7:54 PM

Post #4565169

Herbie:

I did notice that they really like bottom heat to germinate although I had some germinate without it. I keep mine very warm pretty much until I am ready to harden off which I do a little later then my maters.

BB
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

February 21, 2008
12:47 AM

Post #4566213

I agree that a heat mat will improve germ rate.
The Dorset Naga and the Naga Morich are just as hot as the Bhut Jolokia.
I have eaten them all, --the Bhut Jolokia is bigger, but not as productive [for me] as the other two mentioned, -- Michael Porter
David_Paul
Clinton, CT
(Zone 6b)

February 21, 2008
11:17 AM

Post #4567668

Just started some Bhut Jolokia seeds in a 7" self-watering container. In the mudroom on a wooden shelf above a cast iron radiator. Checked the temp of the soil this morning and it was 84.6 degrees. Perfect!

Now all I have to do is hope the weather stays below freezing the next week so the heat in a two story Victorian is on as high as it was last night.

How sick is this?



This message was edited Feb 21, 2008 6:19 AM
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

February 21, 2008
11:26 AM

Post #4567682

somneone sent me a few naga morich seeds but wasn't planning on starting any. now maybe i will. i do not hve a heat mat but i ususally surround the seed trays with plenty of blankets and place near my radiators. it has worked before but this is the first time where the soil needs to be near 90 degrees. will see what happends.


one other thing. do you think the bhut jolokia can surive if i planted them in a 2 gallon container or should i use the 5 gal one??

thanks

BronxBoy
Lawrenceville, GA
(Zone 7b)

February 21, 2008
11:33 AM

Post #4567696

Does anyone have any bhut seed they can spare for an sase?

BB
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

February 21, 2008
11:49 AM

Post #4567723

bronx boy - i can spare you a few and will mail out later today. no need for postage. d-mail me your name and address.


Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

February 22, 2008
1:03 AM

Post #4570424

I have raised Bhut Jolokia in 2 gal pots, --it worked fine for a single season program, --Michael
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

February 22, 2008
11:16 AM

Post #4571996

michael - thanks for that tip. it makes it a lot easier and gives me more room on the table.

frank


Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

February 23, 2008
12:32 AM

Post #4574915

cool-- enjoy, ---
David_Paul
Clinton, CT
(Zone 6b)

February 29, 2008
9:04 AM

Post #4604003

Bhut Jolokia emerged today after 9 days. Bottom watered with temps between 82 and 86.
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

February 29, 2008
11:08 PM

Post #4606233

Congrats, --enjoy, [ I did] Michael
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

March 1, 2008
7:31 AM

Post #4607797

i planted mine on the 22nd of february. will check and see when i get home from work today.


BronxBoy
Lawrenceville, GA
(Zone 7b)

March 1, 2008
11:25 AM

Post #4607904

How large does the jolokia plant get?
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

March 2, 2008
12:05 AM

Post #4610357

mine are about 4 feet tall by 3 feet wide, --Michael Porter
David_Paul
Clinton, CT
(Zone 6b)

March 2, 2008
9:41 AM

Post #4611760

Becoming a little concerned over the germination rate. Two days after the first of 5 seeds germinated, no others have poked their heads up.
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

March 3, 2008
10:28 AM

Post #4615786

michaelp = wow thats pretty big and you asaid you have grown them in 2 gallon pots??

david - i planted mine on feb 22 and swtill have nothing. i remember the planting insturctions said it might take 2 to 3 weeks and in some cases 5 weeks for germination. i hope not.

Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

March 3, 2008
11:43 PM

Post #4618459

For a single year program the 2 gal pots worked fine for me, -- after the first year I re-pot them to a bigger pot, --but I still have some 2 years old producing fine in the 2 gal pots, --I just feed them when they start to fade, --Michael
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

March 4, 2008
3:15 AM

Post #4619581

thanks for the info. up north they will only last a year so i think i will plant one in a 2 gallon and one in 5 gallon and see how they do. i am now getting germination on them. i was worried for awhilethere.

Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

March 4, 2008
11:07 AM

Post #4620438

cool, --I hope you have a good experience, --they are hot!! but, oh-so-good
Michael
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

March 5, 2008
9:32 AM

Post #4624641

arfe they hot at any stage or do you have to wait until they get red and how big are the peppers themselves??

Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

March 5, 2008
11:08 AM

Post #4624706

They are hot from the start, but get hotter as they mature, --mine are 3 to 4 inches long x 1 1/4 inches at the top tapering to a narrow bottom, --Michael
David_Paul
Clinton, CT
(Zone 6b)

March 5, 2008
11:55 AM

Post #4624746

Up to 40% germination now.

First of 5 bhut jolokia seeds took 9 days. Second took 14.
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

March 6, 2008
1:19 AM

Post #4627524

I had a hard time with the germ rate of my purchased seed also, --the seed from the peppers I have grown germs much better for me, --I wonder what the sellers harvest program for seed collection is??. good luck to you, --Michael
smokemaster
North Hills, CA

March 6, 2008
2:59 AM

Post #4628080

I've noticed that mostly any seed I grow from my plants seems to sprout faster and grow better than ones I buy.no matter what the variety.
I wait to pick the pods till they start to shrivel if I want the seeds.
Also seeds from fresh pods that aren't dried will sprout in a day or so instead of days to a week or longer as with dried seeds.
craigboe
Romeoville, IL
(Zone 5b)

March 18, 2008
1:14 AM

Post #4676483

I grew some Dorsett Naga in 2007. I bought the seeds from Reimers. 5 of 5 germinated fairly quick. Less than 2 weeks. I am trying Naga Jolokia this year also from Reimers I hope they come up as good. I have had some negative experience with them. They ignored my order for a week before they shipped it . Then said their company had the flu sorry.
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

March 18, 2008
10:38 AM

Post #4677583

The Bhut Jolokia is available from The Chili Pepper Institute at U of New Mexico, they are the ones who brought it into this country, and have some sort of legal right to it,[ they say] --any way --they were good to deal with and the seed was of good quality, --it was $10 for a package, --Michael Porter
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

March 22, 2008
11:49 AM

Post #4694290

i paid two dollars a package which contained about 16 seeds.
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

March 25, 2008
6:57 PM

Post #4708434

That is a good price, --if it is good seed --that is great, --let us know how they grow out, ---
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

March 30, 2008
1:31 PM

Post #4729593

i posted this somewhere but here are p;ictures of the bib bomb cherry peppers on he left and tghe bhut jolokia's on the right after transplanting

Thumbnail by HERBIE43
Click the image for an enlarged view.

Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2008
12:14 AM

Post #4732234

They look very good, --must be doing something right, --Michael
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

March 31, 2008
10:10 AM

Post #4734179

thanks
critterologist
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6b)

March 31, 2008
5:51 PM

Post #4735866

Lovely little plants! Oh, mine have such a lot of catching up to do... I need to show them this picture and tell them to get cracking!

:-)
Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2008
10:47 PM

Post #4737070

Hi, -Critter, --Michael
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

April 1, 2008
8:12 AM

Post #4739234

i threaten mine once in a while. LOL

critterologist
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6b)

April 3, 2008
3:42 AM

Post #4749144

Heya, Michael! I was thinking of you just today... that american honeysuckle you wanted a start of is trying to set up its own little empire and needs pruning... I'm going to see if I can root some cuttings for you!

Herbie, maybe that's the problem... I've been trying encouragement, building up their little pepper self-esteems... maybe they need some good old fashioned scolding! I can show them my seed stash, let them know they're not the only peppers that could be taking up the real estate on my light shelf... LOL
smokemaster
North Hills, CA

April 3, 2008
6:33 AM

Post #4749578

Tell them your going to stick them in with the Panzies and ferns if they don't heat up soon. :-)
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2008
8:33 AM

Post #4749641

i picked up my plants from sequee the other day. she wathed them for me while i attended my sons wedding. i can't begin to tell you how much they have grown in a week. i will be taking new pictures of all my peppers and will post in a day or two.

Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

April 3, 2008
10:02 AM

Post #4749693

Critter, nice to hear from you, --hope all is well, --My Peppers and Taro are getting happy now that it is hot here again, [ it was close to 90 deg. here today]--if it roots I would like some Honeysuckle, --thanks, --Michael
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2008
8:04 AM

Post #4764959

here are the bhut jolokias which i planted on feb 22nd.

Thumbnail by HERBIE43
Click the image for an enlarged view.

Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2008
11:18 PM

Post #4767895

lookin good, --
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2008
8:27 AM

Post #4769706

i forgot to add the big bomb cherry peppers so here they are

Thumbnail by HERBIE43
Click the image for an enlarged view.

Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

April 7, 2008
6:53 PM

Post #4771399

Nice, Herbie! Great start!
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

April 8, 2008
8:01 AM

Post #4774738

i think i will have to put them into a bigger pot before they go outside.

HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

April 13, 2008
9:44 PM

Post #4803398

here are the latest pictures of my bhut jolokias and the less hot big bomb cherry peppers
the cherry peppers are in the rear and the bhut's in front

Thumbnail by HERBIE43
Click the image for an enlarged view.

Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

April 14, 2008
10:59 PM

Post #4808979

lookin good, ---
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

April 15, 2008
12:54 AM

Post #4809659

thank you. some of the cherry peppers already are gettingflower buds. i do hve one question thugh. usually with my tomato plants once they get their second sets of leaves and i transplant them to a 4 inch pot i usually put them down into the unheated basement under lights and keep them there until its time to go outside. i knowthey grow best at about 60-65 degrees but what should i do with my hot peppers. they don"t like the cold so should i keep them upstairs in the heated part of the house until june 1st when all my plants go outside????



Michaelp
Glendale, UT
(Zone 5a)

April 15, 2008
1:15 AM

Post #4809836

I would keep them as warm as I could, --I think mine grow best at 75 to 85 --[just my oppinion] - someone else probly has totally correct info, -- Michael
critterologist
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6b)

April 15, 2008
3:30 AM

Post #4810581

I think you're right, Michael.

The first few weeks seem to be the most critical, though. I ran out of room for transplanted seedlings on my heat mats last year, so I left half on and moved half off as a test (some of each variety were on and off the mats). The heat didn't seem to make much difference, and after a few weeks I thought that the ones that were off the mats might even be doing a tiny bit better, so I just turned off the heat mats.

Now, my basement is usually 60 degrees or warmer, and by the time I turned off the mats it was probably closer to 70 down there most days or even warmer under the lights.
HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

April 15, 2008
8:40 AM

Post #4811184

thanks for the advice. i will keep them upstairs until its time to harden them off.

HERBIE43
Rutland , MA
(Zone 5b)

April 18, 2008
8:03 AM

Post #4825904

here are the latest pictures of the bhut andthe big bomb peppers
the bhut's are in the front

Thumbnail by HERBIE43
Click the image for an enlarged view.

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