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Zigur
Thousand Oaks, CA

February 3, 2008
7:31 AM

Post #4489208

Geoff,

You start off this article by saying that you know little about the genus, get most of what you know from the internet, and that most of that is unreliable. All you have done here is compound the errors with several mis-spelled names and incorrectly identified photographs.

I believe you have good intentions, but this doesn't help anyone.

T

palmbob

palmbob
Acton, CA
(Zone 8b)


February 3, 2008
8:14 AM

Post #4489300

what photos are misidentified, if you don't mind telling me. Thanks
gloria125
Greensboro, AL

February 3, 2008
9:29 PM

Post #4491186

Hi palmbob. I appreciate the discussion about the difficulty of identifying
plants that don't fall neatly within an established nomenclature. I am having similar difficulty with other plants that I am researching.

Thanks,

gloria
daylilydaddy
morehead, KY
(Zone 6a)

February 3, 2008
11:44 PM

Post #4491724

Sorry T or Zigur
I went and looked at what Geoff and you have contributed to the site and its like night and day. If he is wrong you will have to show some good evidence for me to believe it.
Geo
judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)

February 4, 2008
1:27 AM

Post #4492149

Zigur

Your posting is really rude and not of benefit to anyone.

Judy
oldmudhouse
Las Cruces, NM
(Zone 8a)

February 4, 2008
5:45 PM

Post #4494646

Zigur, I have to agree. Information you believe is incorrect can be clarified without rudeness. If you have knowledge to share with others who love these plants, I'd encourage you to become a subscriber, roll up your sleeves, and contribute in a positive way.
Sheri
Zigur
Thousand Oaks, CA

February 5, 2008
6:01 AM

Post #4497378

Well, E. rampressa for one. There is no such plant. The accuracy of E. venenata looks rather doubtful too.

It would have been good to point out the usefulness of the flowers in identifying species.

Also, there is much good literature on Euphorbia, including dedicated journals as well as specialised internet groups.

I would be the last person to believe a source simply because it was responsibe for placing a lot of material on the internet.
gloria125
Greensboro, AL

February 5, 2008
2:19 PM

Post #4497883

http://zipcodezoo.com/Plants/E/Euphorbia_rampressa.asp

Here is a taxonomic classification of E. rampressa.

Apparently they were not informed that the plant did not exist.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


February 5, 2008
3:17 PM

Post #4498086

Looking past the sweeping generalizations and less than constructive criticisms here, I'm afraid I'd have to discount zipcodezoo as a reliable reference - I find they tend to copy everyone (including PlantFiles. I've found mistakes we've made that have been replicated on that site.)

Better online sources for validating species include IPNI: http://www.ipni.org/ipni/plantnamesearchpage.do and ARS/GRIN: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_search.pl and ITIS: http://www.itis.gov/ and - especially for older names - my tattered Gray's Manual of Botany and Hortus Third are still useful.

palmbob

palmbob
Acton, CA
(Zone 8b)


February 5, 2008
3:24 PM

Post #4498118

I prefer the Kew Gardens World checklist... very well recommended and respected site. By the way, Euphorbia ramipressa is listed as a valid species on it. I may have mispelled it in the article. So it IS a plant that exists (thank you Quail gardens!), though, as I said, I know little about it. Though it at least appears cold hardy enough to survive here in California in the warmer zones. Euphorbia venenata is also listed as a valid species, and that plant I know is correct having seen it in multiple botanical gardens as well as my stack of Euphorbia journals (yes I do have a number of those as well as over 100 other books on succulents). I do find the internet a confusing place, however, as many plants are often mislabeled (as some of mine may indeed be). E venenata just happens not be one of them, I can assure you.

http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do

This message was edited Feb 5, 2008 7:28 AM

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


February 5, 2008
3:27 PM

Post #4498126

Palmbob, Kew is also an excellent reference -thanks for including it. And probably the misspelling is what kept me from finding it in the other checklists I mentioned.
Zigur
Thousand Oaks, CA

February 5, 2008
4:57 PM

Post #4498427

Yes, I know there is an E. ramipressa, that is my point.

I think the zipcodezoo case of mistakes being propagated is a good example of why a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

It would be a good idea to correct that spelling.
LarryR
South Amana, IA
(Zone 5a)

February 5, 2008
9:22 PM

Post #4499381

Zigur--It would have been a kindness to discuss your issues with Palmbob in a D-mail first, rather than posting in a public forum. If, after that discussion, you felt that there were some items that needed a public airing, you could still have done so. Please keep this option in mind in future postings. Thanks :-) Larry
gloria125
Greensboro, AL

February 5, 2008
9:46 PM

Post #4499460

When I used Google to search E rampressa zipcodezoo was only one of several responses.

Ive had this happen before when I accidently misspelled something and google would come up with responses to the misspelled item

such as "find it on Ebay".

Lessons for everybody here, but the bottom line is preparation of an article is very hard work for very little compensation. It is a labor of love. If there is a problem I don't know any one of the writers team that would not be willing to discuss it by D Mail.

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