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Dimmer
( Kim) Zion, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 25, 2008
1:13 PM

Post #4585477

This is the first time I have tryed seed And I think they are molding can you tell me what is happening is it to mosit no air will they take to ho tHere is one look and I will send another one
Thanks Dimmer(AKA) Kim

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Dimmer
( Kim) Zion, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 25, 2008
1:14 PM

Post #4585478

Here is another look

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kalika22
Denham Springs, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 25, 2008
8:23 PM

Post #4587117

I don't think that's mold, that looks like the tiny little roots starting to sprout and find their way into the peat pellet.

When a seed sprouts it sends down a root first, then the tiny leaves show up.
plantaholic186
Winnetka, IL

February 25, 2008
8:28 PM

Post #4587141

No, those are not roots, they are mold. I don't know if there's a way to keep seeds once that's happened. I have tried washing them in a hydrogen peroxide solution and putting them on new peat pellets, but usually they just rot. Try squishing them; a viable seed will stay firm.
Be careful to not overwater the pellets. They are a pain, because no matter what, some seem to dry out really quickly, while others mold or develop algae really quickly. Very irritating!
Good luck.
kalika22
Denham Springs, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 25, 2008
8:31 PM

Post #4587145

Are you sure? I just sprouted a bunch of tiny greens seeds and they were so close together on the pellet, when they germinated they looked exactly like the picture.

I'd keep them for a couple more days just to be sure, can't hurt anything.
plantaholic186
Winnetka, IL

February 25, 2008
8:37 PM

Post #4587160

Wait a minute- looked more closely at the pic and saw the root tip sticking out from those root hairs. My bad.
Don't remove any of those seeds at this point, or you risk damaging all those little root hairs. Wait until the cotyledons emerge, and then very carefully cut them off so as not to crowd out the best seedling.
And forgive me if you already know this!

BTW, what seeds are they? Peony? Lily?
Illoquin
Indianapolis, IN
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2008
8:39 PM

Post #4587164

POst edited...Never mind...I couldn't see it very well.

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plantaholic186
Winnetka, IL

February 25, 2008
8:41 PM

Post #4587173

The Clorox won't hurt the seed? I worried that it would be too harsh. What dilution rate do you use?
Illoquin
Indianapolis, IN
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2008
9:00 PM

Post #4587246

LOL! I tried to get rid of my post before you saw it...I use 10% dilution and mix with warm-hot water and spray the tops of my seedlings that have white mold on them. I am aiming for the soil, but the seedlings get it, too, with no ill effects.

..it also somewhat works on the green slime, but don't be scared when all the green turns to brown -- it looks worse than it is and the seedlings come up through it.

I seem to have a lot of seed that takes FOREVER to germinate, so I always get molds or fungus or other nasties and the bleach takes care of it all. I throw it away after using it because I think it loses its efficacy over time, plus it cools off and spraying chilled water over everything is not good!.

Suzy

plantaholic186
Winnetka, IL

February 25, 2008
9:14 PM

Post #4587299

Oh excellent! Now I can safely deal with all the green slime! I've posted some pics of seedlings and begged people to not judge me badly for all the green : )

If the seed hasn't germinated yet, do you not dunk the seed into the solution, or you still just spray it in situ?

You cannot imagine how timely this information is! < : o
Illoquin
Indianapolis, IN
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2008
9:21 PM

Post #4587335

I've only just sprayed. I do not think the Clorox is good for them, you know? But it won't kill them. The stuff you're worried about should all be on the surface, so a topical is good enough.

Green slime isn't harmful, is it? Only if it grows bigger than the seedlings. :)

Somebody once told me that algae/moss or whatever that stuff is wouldn't grow if you didn't over water, so I let a pot that I didn't think was going to germinate get dry as a bone and then rewatered it and the stuff sprang back to life. (No, the seeds never germinated, but I have a feeling they were old as the hills)

Somebody else said it wouldn't grow if you had enough fertilizer in it -- that was wrong, too. Fertilizer makes it bigger, greener and stronger.

Clorox was all I ever found to fix all ills.

Meanwhile, I have read that adding bone meal to potting mix is a great thing for little seedlings, so I have made a little batch of that up, and I'm expecting all kind of mold to grow because of it...I'll look for this thread and let you know how it went in another 3 or 4 weeks.


ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 25, 2008
9:25 PM

Post #4587357

Actually bleach can be used to treat seeds to prevent mold--they use it in agriculture sometimes. I'm not sure what dilution they use, it might be a bit more dilute than the 1:10 that you use for most stuff around the house.
plantaholic186
Winnetka, IL

February 25, 2008
9:37 PM

Post #4587407

I'm off to stock up on bleach! : )
Thanks!
kalika22
Denham Springs, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 25, 2008
9:40 PM

Post #4587413

But...but... you don't need bleach! Those are tiny root hairs.
Illoquin
Indianapolis, IN
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2008
10:07 PM

Post #4587551

Hopefully she is getting the bleach for different pots than what is in the photo.

On the seeds inthe photo -- peonies? Why don't you cover those with some potting mix and see if they aren't roots first?

Oh, and on the bleach, use a 5% solution. I got looking at my spray bottle and it cannot be more than 5% that I use I'm ashamed to admit I don't actually measure it)...and I use the old fashioned kind that isn't concentrated in the big bottle which would also meak a difference.

Suzy
Dimmer
( Kim) Zion, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 26, 2008
1:38 AM

Post #4588455

I am not getting bleach as of yet .The seeds that are growing are
cone flowers and they are pushing up the dirt
candy lily nothing yet
blackberry lily and a couple are comming up
datura tatula I see a sprout
Jackmanii Clemat can't tell
Easter Egg plant Can't tell if comming up .So I guess if I took a closer look I wood have seen that it is sprouting and not Molding Thanks for all the infor its good to have
Dimmer(AKA) Kim
jlp222
Hammond, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 26, 2008
1:39 AM

Post #4588463

Dimmer, how long did you blackberry lilys take to germinate. I just started some a few days ago in a pot inside a baggie over bottom heat. How do you have yours?
Dimmer
( Kim) Zion, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 26, 2008
1:45 AM

Post #4588499

I started all my seeds the 18 of feb But it is just starting to sprout. Its the 3rd one the blackberry lily with all the fuzz. They are on a heat mat all day and night and growlites from the time I get up till I go to bed at night about 15 to 16 hours
Kim

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jlp222
Hammond, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 26, 2008
2:04 AM

Post #4588572

Hmmm, where di you buy your seeds if I may ask. I got mine on Ebay. I have mine in a pot covered with vermiculite. You may want to try that on one and see how it does.
Dimmer
( Kim) Zion, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 26, 2008
2:08 AM

Post #4588592

A very good friend of mine Susan51 gave me them I had a vacation and drove to her home all by myself it was great we planted all kinds of AV leave and to relaxs she gave me seeds as we watched TV. My summer is in the winter and in the summer is when I have all my work
Kim
CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

February 26, 2008
4:48 AM

Post #4589242

The canna don't look like they were nicked and the way you have them above the peat won't work. Canna can take 5 years to germinate. You need to nick those, I use a dremel tool and then soak them for 24 hours in H2O2 and warm water. I can get good canna seeds to germinate in a matter of days that way. It's hard to get water into a canna seed so leaving them on top of the peat will not work.

Side note I hate peat discs.
Dimmer
( Kim) Zion, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 26, 2008
1:08 PM

Post #4589944

I have no idea which one is a canna seed and this is all the first time I am doing seeds so what ever happens I will be happy. I have to go play with more seeds its a good day to plant 4.5 inches of snow came and I don't want to go out and shovel yet.
I have a bunch of seeds so I will try them in different ways thank for all the input
Kim
CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

February 26, 2008
4:15 PM

Post #4590744

The black round ones are the canna. I could be wrong but that's exactly what a canna seed looks like.
Dimmer
( Kim) Zion, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 26, 2008
5:39 PM

Post #4591126

This might be a dumb question but the seeds I planted are Lily Candy and Blackberry Lily are they in the same family as Canna or is that them only How New am I
Dimmer
PS Can you tell by the name LOL
CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

February 26, 2008
5:58 PM

Post #4591206

No they aren't. Looks like I was wrong but the seeds look very much like the seeds I have. Hmmm, don't know much about what you have there.
plantaholic186
Winnetka, IL

February 26, 2008
6:49 PM

Post #4591439

Dimmer, Blackberry Lily is Belamcanda:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/41/

Very pretty flower, and spectacular seedhead. I don't know which one I have, but the flowers are all different colors at once.

Hey- I got 5"! I haven't shoveled, but I was out at midnight gently knocking snow off of my more delicate woodies. It was so pretty.

Only 3 more months until spring! ; )
pennefeather
McLean, VA
(Zone 6b)

February 27, 2008
12:19 AM

Post #4592930

Be careful to rip that netting that is on your seedlings when you plant them. I have found that they don't deteriorate when planted. Last fall when I was pulling up my annuals, I found that netting still on the roots of my geraniums. You could see that it was didn't allow them to grow properly.

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CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

February 27, 2008
12:38 AM

Post #4593063

3 months till spring. Ours is here.

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pennefeather
McLean, VA
(Zone 6b)

February 27, 2008
12:40 AM

Post #4593072

Show off! :)
plantaholic186
Winnetka, IL

February 27, 2008
12:43 AM

Post #4593092

Hey! No fair!
Dimmer
( Kim) Zion, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 27, 2008
12:56 AM

Post #4593194

I was watching the new and the lady on Local new said 1 month till spring
Did you know that we turn the clock on the 9th of March that is early To Spring Ahead
plantaholic186
Winnetka, IL

February 27, 2008
1:04 AM

Post #4593252

Well, one month until 3/21, which is the calendar start of spring, but we usually get hard frosts through the end of April. Isn't the Spring Ahead thing usually in mid-April? Why the heck are they moving it earlier?
Dimmer
( Kim) Zion, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 27, 2008
1:12 AM

Post #4593322

They just started to do that didn't they last year ? Isn't it 3 weeks ahead of what it use to be . I have no idea. I wish that it wood get warm than I can go back to work I am done resting now and I almost caught up with my plant I have to be carful what I wish for the tollway 294 is where I have to go back to I see that they have been seting up thing to get ready for the North side
Dimmer(AKA) Kim
ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 27, 2008
2:09 AM

Post #4593688

Yes, they just changed things starting last year. Daylight savings ended later in the fall last year than it normally would, and this year it'll be starting earlier in the spring too. Unfortunately things like that have no impact on the temperature--it would be nice if they could make spring start 3 wks earlier too!
ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 27, 2008
2:09 AM

Post #4593691

Yes, they just changed things starting last year. Daylight savings ended later in the fall last year than it normally would, and this year it'll be starting earlier in the spring too. Unfortunately things like that have no impact on the temperature--it would be nice if they could make spring start 3 wks earlier too!
plntsrok
Detroit, MI
(Zone 6b)

February 28, 2008
3:59 AM

Post #4599095

I believe blackberry lilies and candy lilies are very similar, and they both have"...canda.." in their names. They are actually members of the iris family though and you can get flowers the first year as opposed to true lilies which usually, I gather, take three. Also blackberry lily seeds look exactly like the black balls in the picture.
I have had mold on (other) seeds and I think 24 hours a day of light has killed it.
I thought I had killed seeds with about a 1% solution of bleach in the past but reading the comments above I begin to wonder now.
newbie_grower
Bloomington, CA
(Zone 9b)

March 6, 2008
2:18 AM

Post #4627846

little late, but it looks like your blackberry and candy lilliies are still "berries." Don't know if it makes a difference but I rub everything off mine. I didn't right the date I planted down, but I received my blackberry seeds less then a month ago and 11 of 12 germinated and an inch tall.
MistyPetals
North Augusta, SC

March 7, 2008
3:25 AM

Post #4632095

Can soineone please tell me how to get the datura to germinate? I cannot take this ay longer. This is agony. Everythng else has germinated, the moonflowers, the hibiscus, the coleus...everythng with the exception of the datura and brugs which are the ones I want so desperately. Please give me some pointers here. PLEASE. I'm going to cry, I will...really, I'm going to bawl like a baby. I'm reaching for the tissue box. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
MistyPetals
North Augusta, SC

March 7, 2008
3:29 AM

Post #4632119

For some reason, my computer will not let me edit. I meant to ask if someone. And the second word that I made jelly soup is everything. My fingers are flying tonight, unfortunately they're flying in the wrong direction.
Must be al that powdered fertilizer I've been breathing lately. You know, the ones, "The Sulfates." LOL
newbie_grower
Bloomington, CA
(Zone 9b)

March 7, 2008
5:14 AM

Post #4632587

Misty, I hear soaking them over night in warm water can help. I planted some Datura as well. Some a couple weeks ago, and some BCS, and Datura 19 a week ago. The ones I planted a couple weeks ago still no sign of life, but the 19 has already popped up. I read it takes 6-9 weeks for Datura and Brugs to come up. I hope they do, more then two months waiting on a seed and to have no germination is so sad. Good luck to both of us!
joannabanana
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

March 7, 2008
1:58 PM

Post #4633357

Oops, over watered & have bright green mold. Do I do the 5% bleach? Does it mater that most seeds have germinated?

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ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 7, 2008
2:49 PM

Post #4633500

I wouldn't use bleach once the seeds have germinated. The green stuff also is algae not mold, so I don't think it'll really hurt your seeds. And make sure to watch the watering, hopefully no permanent damage done.
MistyPetals
North Augusta, SC

March 7, 2008
2:54 PM

Post #4633513

Newbie_grower
I am having the same problem with my berry seeds and these. What a challenge for the new gardeners among us, hopefully some that have done this before will give us some much needed pointers. I mean, it's not as though I lack knowledge in the entire germination realm, but these datura are so beautiful and they make us pay, in time, for sprouts. I mean the hollyhocks are ready to skate, the coleus are ready to jump rope and the moonflowers are skipping but these blasted daturas, please!?!?!?!
tap, tap, tapping on the keyboard waiting for some kindly, wise gardener to jump in on this discussion, Hello, help, please. Over here,

Signed,
Desperate for Dats
ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 7, 2008
3:09 PM

Post #4633582

It might help to start a new thread about germination help for your daturas or whatever else you're having trouble with. This thread was about mold on seedlings so the people who know how to get daturas to germinate may not be paying attention to it.
fauna4flora
West Palm Beach, FL

March 7, 2008
8:06 PM

Post #4634730

I am new coming into this thread, but if this is correct- that the seeds in the original picture are blackberry lilly seeds- then that definitely looks like botrytis or penicillin mold to me. I would remove that whole pot from the vicinity of the others and do the light bleach drench as discussed in that pot only and hope that the mold has not spread. If you happen to have any copper or fungicides that would be better.
Illoquin
Indianapolis, IN
(Zone 5b)

March 7, 2008
8:57 PM

Post #4634902

Naw, Joanna, that green is a warning sign that your soilless mix is compressed and not draining very well and that you are probably watering a little too much. Obviously not too-too much because the seedlings are really nice looking. :)

It will all go away as soon as you trasplant those good lookin' seedlings. A lot of people say to add some Hydrogen Peroxide H2O2 from the drugstore at 1 T per quart of water next time you water. It has the effect of adding more oxygen to the rootzone. I've done it, but before I could determine if it worked or not, it was time to transplant to bigger digs.

The thing they are growing in -- that plastic tray-thing. When you pop those boys out, be sure to wash it really well, and take a look at the holes in the bottom -- there is something wrong-looking to me with that tray. Be sure there are enough holes, they are large enough in diameter, and if you think all looks swell, run some holes up the sides of the cells.

My humble opinion,
Suzy

Suzy
joannabanana
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

March 9, 2008
3:00 AM

Post #4640129

Suzy,

Thanks for the comments. Yes, you are right, I had packed in the soil to use a water wicking mat for bottom watering. There is a good size drain hole in each cell. The problem is that I have a "gardener in training" & she filled the bottom trays with about 1-1/2" of water, so everything became extremely soggy. I was surprised that there was so much water & she admitted to "watering the plants". I dumped all the tray water & ran a fan, which made a big difference. I think the seedlings should be fine.
fauna4flora
West Palm Beach, FL

March 9, 2008
3:00 AM

Post #4640218

JB, that is not green mold, that is just algae. Of course, you've been given some good advice about how to cure it and what conditions caused it, but it is not mold and its not really a big deal unto itself. Down here algae grows on just about every surface, and although it can feed fungus gnats and make walkways slippery it is not the same as a pathogenic mold.

What was the result on the blackberry lily seeds- the original posting? I received seeds for this in my very first trade and had germination in one week. Also, I covered my seeds in soil. I have never had this plant before, so I just treated it the way I do most all seeds. F4F
Riverland
Northeast, LA
(Zone 8a)

March 9, 2008
4:41 AM

Post #4640802

Blackberry and candy lily seeds like a little cold time too. I put mine in the fridge for several weeks before planting.That is why they make good wintersowers. I soak them over night then plant covering with soil. I get 99% germination in 3 days to a week. I have over thirty seedlings of them right now. If those were mine I would at least cover them with the peat. I also found that they germinate better for me in promix soil than in the peat pellets. If you have some good seed potting soil try picking out 1 or 2 of those you have planted together (if there are no signs of sprouting) and try replanting them in it in a styrofoam coffee cup with the soil 3 inches deep. Shallow soil dries out too quickly. Be sure to put holes in the bottom of your cup.

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