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katiebear
mulege
Mexico
February 26, 2008
12:21 PM Post #4590762
| Hi,
There was some discussion about propogating cuttings from a hawaiin woodrose. I can't find it now, so I'm starting this thread.
I have a merremia which I thought was a hawaiian woodrose but I might be wrong (got a bad case of CRS). I got the seeds from JLHudson.net. Big seeds and I think they all germinated. Due to moves and other stuff I am down to one - but what a beauty. Learning from my experience with the others I planted this one where it could grow and grow and cover my house instead of my orchard. It is about four years old now and has grown about 40 feet in every direction. It once pulled down my phone wire. It has provided shade, shade and more shade where there was none when I moved in. In the subtropics this is wonderful.
The main strem is now about eight inches in diameter. I wrote to JLHudson about it and they wrote back that they had never heard of one that big!
It has lots of little yellow flowers in the fall but has not produced any seeds. I have also not gotten any "woodroses."
Another plant called woodrose is a convoulace. My merremia flowers look like a lot of morning glories. I'd guess they are closely related but I don't do much plant technical stuff.
To respond to Randy's question about propogating, I have not had any success with cuttings or with layering. It's a mystery to me. The way it grows and spreads I sort of expected it to propogate easily.
In short, I don't know what I have and I don't know how to propogate it.
Can't find anything in the plant files that matches it.
Haven't mastered pictures yet. Soon. I hope.
katiebear |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
February 26, 2008
08:41 PM Post #4593087
| Hi Katiebear I don't know about whatever it is you are growing but if you peg a bit of that vine down against the ground it might root down into the earth.It works with a lot of plants and climbers and is worth a try.Good luck with it
chrissy |
katiebear
mulege
Mexico
February 26, 2008
08:53 PM Post #4593176
| Tried that several times with no success. Will keep trying.
katiebear |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
February 26, 2008
09:01 PM Post #4593233
|
Thanks Katiebear...this is valuable information, particularly in light of the size of your vine. I am beginning to think that the vine is challenging if not impossible to propagate from cuttings, otherwise you'd think you would see the vines for sale. In fact I've only found seeds for sale in online or other nurseries..but no live vines which usually are from cuttings. Out of about 50 cuttings I think we have 3 that are still green and I think they are going to bite the dust too, leaving zero of 50.
So, you have tried puting some of the live vine on the ground to try and root? They really don't like being near the ground do they?
It would be interesting to hear from others too regarding the subject!
rj |
katiebear
mulege
Mexico
February 26, 2008
09:17 PM Post #4593366
| I've tried to layer it in a planter like Chrissy suggested. That's almost foolproof usually. But - nothing.
I also tried to transplant one and it died.
Hudson says they can be kept in a pot - mine is in a large bottomless planter.
They are pretty easy from seed. Just be careful where you plant it. My experience is that it doesn't like to be moved. And if it likes where it is it gets BIG.
katiebear |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
February 26, 2008
09:32 PM Post #4593500
| Yes, I've found out already, which is why I had 50 cuttings! LOL.
It is such a ferocious vine. I've never seen anything quite so vigorous. Thick and heavy on the vine, and the leaves are downright huge. My experience is similar in the fact that the seeds seem to be fairly easy. My vine is 2 years old now and the main trunk is already an inch in diameter. I just took out about 1/3 of it because it was so thick. It has yet to bloom.
Interestingly, I noticed a re-appearance of a second vine in another location that I thought had perished. The location it is in does not have enough sun in the summer. |
katiebear
mulege
Mexico
February 26, 2008
10:38 PM Post #4593837
| Mine has two main trunks. One is 20" in diameter; the other is 22".
kb |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
February 26, 2008
10:47 PM Post #4593898
| that's a large vine!!
I tried all sorts of cuttings from woody to greener. The woody ones showed promise for a while. They stayed green for 3 weeks, then started kicking off one by one. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
February 27, 2008
12:29 AM Post #4594461
| Ok try just burying a chunk of the living tendril under the ground ...strip the leaves off about a foot of it and bury that foot under a few inches of earth ...do it at the end of a piece of vine, so it won't kill anything.Water it and place a brick or rock over where you buried it. Leave it alone and don't poke or pry. Give it a few weeks and if it has rooted then you can cut that section from the mother plant ...if you want it in a particular place do the same thing but in a pot. :) |
fauna4flora
West Palm Beach, FL
February 27, 2008
04:29 PM Post #4597107
| Katiebear, from everything you are describing it does sound like Hawaiin Woodrose. The growth habit certainly fits the bill. Furthermore, I know several commercial nurseries who propagate that plant by cuttings. Its also interesting that you described it as looking like a morning glory because a second common name for it is Wooly Morning Glory. I am curious- would love to see a pic if you can post it!!! |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
February 27, 2008
07:00 PM Post #4597781
| Isn't the -Baby Hawaiin Woodrose- described as the wooly morning glory...those are two different ones... |
katiebear
mulege
Mexico
February 27, 2008
07:18 PM Post #4597843
|
According to JLHudson the Hawiian baby woodrose is argyreia nervosa. He has a description and pictures of the seeds of several argyreias which I found by doing a search for woodrose.
As I said at the beginning of this thread I somehow recollected that my merremia seeds which I bought from Hudson's were called Hawaiian woodrose but I think I remembered wrong. The merremia which they are currrently selling is not called Hawaiian woodrose.
I think there is a lot or misinformation out there. When in doubt of others' information or my own memory I go to Hudson. They are the most thorough sellers I have found in terms of supplying correct identification and information about correct identification.
katiebear |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
February 27, 2008
07:23 PM Post #4597853
| I'll give them a look... |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
February 27, 2008
07:24 PM Post #4597859
| do they have a website? |
katiebear
mulege
Mexico
February 27, 2008
07:28 PM Post #4597877
| Yes, wwwJLHudsonseeds.net. Note it's net not com. The owner is a character. I read the catalog for fun as well as for information.
kb |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
February 27, 2008
07:36 PM Post #4597900
| okay..I found it...wow..I know this place...I bought all of my brug seeds there about 7 years or more ago...The brugs and daturas are still with me today...beautiful and large! |
katiebear
mulege
Mexico
April 29, 2008
10:40 AM Post #4881745
| I have an update on this.
First, my plant is a merremia, not Hawaiin woodrose.
Hawaiin woodrose is argyeia nervosa, I got some seeds for this from Horizon Herbs. They are soaking now.
My merremia continues to grow and provide lots of shade.
My merremia has bloomed but never sets seeds. It might need a more tropical climate. We are sub-troopical here.
My shotia tree is blooming for the first time. I wrote to Hudson about it (got the seeds from them) and they wrote back that they have two, much older than mine, that have never bloomed, probably because they are in a temperate zone (northern California).
I keep learning. (Alas, I also keep forgetting, but not everything).
katiebear
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marieortiz
Tolleson, AZ
(Zone 9a)
April 29, 2008
11:06 AM Post #4881874
| Katie what are you low temps and high temps? |
katiebear
mulege
Mexico
April 29, 2008
11:48 AM Post #4882052
| Our winters are definately cooler than the summers. It rarely freezes. Several years ago when my friend Tony came to work he told me that there was a thin layer of ice on a bucket of water. That was big news.
The summers are hot and humid. I'd guess we have some days over 100 but I don't keep track of the temeratures.
I'm constantly looking for food plants that will do well here. Some of the newly developed low chill peaches look hopeful.
How's your yacon?
katiebear |
marieortiz
Tolleson, AZ
(Zone 9a)
April 29, 2008
12:12 PM Post #4882164
| My Yacon I am sure was really good since the gophers ate it!! I put it where I thought I had no gophers only to find out that they had a secret tunnel. I now have an explanation as to why some plants just died off!! I did not find it until I decided to replace a dead plant and my shove just kept going!!
So I will have to try it again some time. We just added to more kittens to our crew so hopefully they will help when they are bigger witht he gopher control. What I do not get is they seemed to have left most of the jerusalum artichoke that I planted?? |
katiebear
mulege
Mexico
April 29, 2008
12:26 PM Post #4882232
| Horizon Herbs has the plants for sale. I really like them and their products. I have 16 little ginko trees grown from their coir-packed seeds.
I lost most of mine due to a non-friend. Of the few that survived, my dogs ate one. The other two are covered by fan covers.
I understand the yacon are sweet. Maybe tastier than Jeruselem artichokes. I see and ad campain: "The taste more gophers chose!"
katiebear |
marieortiz
Tolleson, AZ
(Zone 9a)
April 29, 2008
12:43 PM Post #4882299
| LOL I guess maybe that is why they liked them . I just know it is not pretty to see a grown woman having a 2 year old temper tantrum in her front yard in front of her 3 youngest kids!!
I will go and check out that site. |
Braveheartsmom
Kihei, HI
(Zone 11)
April 29, 2008
01:53 PM Post #4882577
| Reading all this with interest, how confusing when so many different plants are called the same thing! Sorry, I don't have a thing to contribute about propagation, but...
If anyone is interested I have 4 seeds which I appropriated from the parking lot at Charlie's in Pa'ia. To the best of my knowledge they are Merremia Tuberosa because they have the seven lobed leaves and the yellow flowers. They are as common as dirt here and grow to an enormous size, something I wouldn't want to cope with in my garden - I already have enough problems with wild vines!
LMK if anybody wants them - plenty more where they came from!
Jen |
marieortiz
Tolleson, AZ
(Zone 9a)
April 29, 2008
01:59 PM Post #4882593
| Jen I would love some of those!! I had a nice sized vine that a friend in Florida sent me and my dog decided that it was his own personal toy. Ripped it out of the pot so many times I could not count. I tried putting it in the ground but I think it was just too late!! |
katiebear
mulege
Mexico
April 29, 2008
04:40 PM Post #4883202
| That may be the merremia that I have. I had to be careful where I planted it as one I put in at the last house where I lived tried to take over the whole orchard!! The one here has just broken it's concrete container. When I have some time (ha, ha) I want to put a hypertuffa "rock" around it. Meanwhile, nothing seems to slow it down.
katiebear |
Braveheartsmom
Kihei, HI
(Zone 11)
April 29, 2008
08:28 PM Post #4884193
| Aloha MarieO! They are yours, I hope you won't curse me down the road! D-mail me your addy...
Jen |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
April 29, 2008
09:18 PM Post #4884488
| I've already had to cut mine twice this year. I'm afraid the way things are going that I only get to experience the leafy vine, and not the blooming one, unless it's a real warm winter...this winter was fairly warm, mabe that will increase it's hardiness for blooms this year...we'll see though..it needs high humidity I heard to bloom. |
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)
May 01, 2008
09:25 PM Post #4894150
| I'm interested if they are not all gone by now.
LouC |
Braveheartsmom
Kihei, HI
(Zone 11)
May 03, 2008
10:53 AM Post #4900818
| Aloha Christi,
I sent the seeds off to Marie, but will be happy to pick up some for you next time I go over to Pa'ia. |
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)
May 03, 2008
11:16 AM Post #4900895
| Ironic that I should come to this post now, Jenny. Have been reliving Maui by looking at the pictures. We didn't take very good photos but it is enough to jog my memory. so wonderful. Don't worry about the seed. I have more than I can say grace over now. Hope all is well.
Aloha
PK |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
04:14 PM Post #6257384
| real woodrose is a tuber that can be stored for winter lol I am not sure what you have there but it doesnt sound the same as what I have 
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scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
04:16 PM Post #6257391
| full name merremia tuberosa its in the name
now there is another vine called hawaiian baby woodrose which spreads like whate you are saying and have small flowers 
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scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
04:17 PM Post #6257401
| the one I have makes the wooden roses
this plant only grows to 10 feet and the tubers can be stored or left in the ground in warmer areas
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scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
04:18 PM Post #6257406
| this is what the leaf looks like 
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rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 12, 2009
08:06 PM Post #6258426
| and yours blooms in zone 5a?
Mine climbs all over the place..right now it's about to eat the entire greenhouse, covered 4 brugs that are adjacent.
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scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
08:11 PM Post #6258449
| yes because I take the tubers in for the winter and store them but when I started them from seed I did it in a pot and just brought in the pot in the fall and stored the pot now I take out the tubers and replants them at the end of march and back outside at the end of may |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 12, 2009
08:15 PM Post #6258467
| Do you fertilze them or anything..mine lives year around outside, I've also grown it from seed I brought back from Hawaii. I think it's 2 years now, but it has yet to bloom. what months does yours bloom. I understand them to be primarily a winter bloomer.
Right now alls I get is the monster and no princess |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
08:23 PM Post #6258515
| always plants need food |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 12, 2009
08:52 PM Post #6258670
| I agree, but the vine is so vigorous I hesitate to add to it's robust nature, and want to give it something that will focus it's energy to blooming. |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
09:19 PM Post #6258830
| ok then feed it 15-52-15 that is not for growth it is for formation of flowers
your gives little yellow flowers
the one I have give large deep yellow flowers most of the year |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 12, 2009
09:38 PM Post #6258932
| okay..so high phosphorous...thanks. |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
09:50 PM Post #6258992
| and that will work with all flowering plants
if you want seedling to grow then it 10-10-10 or 15-10-15 no higher |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 12, 2009
10:04 PM Post #6259065
| I usually give the Beaumontia and Murtonni Grandifloras and the solandra maxima the bloom booster which is similar, however it's application time is important with those vines...the woodrose, regularly then? once a month? |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
10:13 PM Post #6259109
| twice have you figured out when it is suppose to bloom in your area start the fist feed two months and then one month then it will bloom for an extended period of time if it blooms all year then every month |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 12, 2009
10:15 PM Post #6259115
| Okay..thanks for the advice, I bet it would bloom here in a couple of months as the humidity cranks up. In fact I think that is the factor of it's increased activity as we've been 15 degrees above normal and fairly humid until a cold front popped in today |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 12, 2009
10:25 PM Post #6259162
| by the way I would never allow any vine to get 40 feet I then to go clipping crazy sine most vines if you clip the end it will force more blooms that is what I do with my perennial vines I keep them trimmed and get 10 times more blooms than the one I see on other properties that are not trimed |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 15, 2009
03:33 PM Post #6271384
| agreed, it's been hacked every 6 months. In fact I wondered if this particular vine needed to be big to produce...sounds like it doesn't. |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 15, 2009
06:15 PM Post #6272073
| no they dont you can shape it anyway you want |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 15, 2009
07:03 PM Post #6272312
| Thanks for all the info..It's definately going to get a haircut, if that Blue Jay isn't nesting inbetween the brugs and top layer of woodrose. Also a good fertilizing..we've had a 3 day deepwater soak after 3 months of no rain...it's going to go nuts |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 15, 2009
07:09 PM Post #6272337
| oh yes a good watering is always good and now it will probably start blooming in about three to four weeks |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 15, 2009
07:32 PM Post #6272440
| I will post pictures and do a dance if it does! |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 15, 2009
07:34 PM Post #6272451
| add some compost to the soil around it that will help and if you want mega flowers use 15-52-15 fertilizer it works great
my passion fuit vine has about 50 buds and its not suppose to bloom till july lol
got a little exited and started to fertalize everything last month hahahhah |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 15, 2009
07:37 PM Post #6272468
| cool, sounds like your as crazy for vines as I am! my crazy collection
http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/t/rjuddharrison/2950/ |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 15, 2009
08:49 PM Post #6272838
| wow you are so much badder than me lol hahhahaha
I grow vines but I am restricted by my zone I grow all annual vines that I can get my hands on and I have a few tropicals passion and madagascar jasmine love the flowers also bougainvillia and monrovia those are outside in the summer and in for the winter
if I lived in your zone I would be dangerous hahahhaha outside I have a orange trumpet vine that I grew from seed wont bloom for while yet lol years and I have a wisteria that wont bloom for a few years either I moved to this house 18 months ago and had to start everything over again lol after working on the other place for over 10 years boy they got a nice property when they bought it lol it was perfect but I was told that they are not taking care of it and its turning into a jungle lol
checked out your vines you have an amazing collection
I saw that you have a canary vine how long does it take to go from seed to flower I started some last month for my daughter she loved the picture of it on the net so I bought some seeds.
I am also growing many different MGs and JMGs this year |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 15, 2009
09:19 PM Post #6272989
| Yes it is dangerous...the canary vine was started by seed 2 years ago and has yet to bloom. Usually it takes an average of 3 years from seed for some of these to bloom. It also is not in an ideal location and is fighting a ton of other vines for sun. The lates vines I've added have stayed in pots so I can move them around. They have an amazing ability to live in small pots but vine in huge spaces and bloom. |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 15, 2009
09:21 PM Post #6272999
| it said on the package that they annuals lol so would bloom the first year but it say full sun
maybe yours is not blooming because of lack of sun and maybe you need to fertalize the little bugger |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 15, 2009
09:23 PM Post #6273016
| all of the vines need fertilizing, and it most likely is lack of sun..it's at the base of some huge vines. I just added few different Cucurbita batwing passion, which seem to like a bit more shade.
I'll be happy if I can get the woodrose to bloom...twice monthly it will get the fertilizer for at least 3 months... |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 15, 2009
09:26 PM Post #6273036
| I find that vines are heavy feeders and need lots of water to bloom since in there natural habitat they bloom during the wet season and are almost dormant during the dry season |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 15, 2009
09:46 PM Post #6273143
| Yes, I'm finding the fine balance of wet and dry. I notice that alot of the vines I have prefer very arid dry conditions, then like you said when blooming comes along reverse course and wants lots of water and feeding. |
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 15, 2009
10:04 PM Post #6273245
| plants usually are adapted to the environment they grow in as natives
I grow many plants that are native of my area so I dont have to spend my time watering all summer
I grow many different types of echinaecia and clematis and trumpet vines since they dont need watering in my zone now if they go in a pot on the deck I dont mind watering them everyday
I just hate dragging the hose bad back
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rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
March 15, 2009
10:14 PM Post #6273296
| I'm pretty lucky here as it's sub-tropical and in ground plants don't require alot of watering..potted plants on the other hand are another story.
This is the first year the chalice vine bloomed, and the dry fall seemed to make it happy. I'm curious to see if our 3 day rain is going to add blooms to it. I did notice one by my bedroom doors growing today.
Click the image for an enlarged view.
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scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)
March 15, 2009
10:19 PM Post #6273322
| that is one nice flower
nice picture |
