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georgiagarden3
Arlington, GA
(Zone 8a)

May 29, 2008
4:06 AM

Post #5018759

By special request a "spin-off to the top ten.

"Lavender Blue", also called "Lavender's blue", is an English folk song dating to the 17th century.
Although there are as many as thirty verses to the song, most versions go about like this:

Lavender's blue, dilly dilly, lavender's green,
When I am king, dilly, dilly, you shall be queen.
Who told you so, dilly, dilly, who told you so?
'Twas my own heart, dilly, dilly, that told me so.
Call up your men, dilly, dilly, set them to work
Some with a rake, dilly, dilly, some with a fork.
Some to make hay, dilly, dilly, some to thresh corn.
While you and I, dilly, dilly, keep ourselves warm.
Lavender's green, dilly, dilly, Lavender's blue,
If you love me, dilly, dilly, I will love you.
Let the birds sing, dilly, dilly, And the lambs play;
We shall be safe, dilly, dilly, Out of harm's way.
I love to dance, dilly, dilly, I love to sing;
When I am queen, dilly, dilly, You'll be my king.
Who told me so, dilly, dilly, Who told me so?
I told myself, dilly, dilly, I told me so.

What are your top ten grown herbs for non- culinary use. And what do you do with them.
georgiagarden3
Arlington, GA
(Zone 8a)

May 29, 2008
4:32 AM

Post #5018905

Lets see I'm not sure if I have 10, but I am sure by the time we all share our favorites. And I go shopping I will..LoL

Lavendar for the wonderful smell and dried clusters.
Fennel and parsley go to the BTS catapillars.
Pineapple sage for the Hummers
herbalbetty
Middleburgh, NY

May 29, 2008
11:05 AM

Post #5019432

The following are all herbs I grow:

Lavender (but I cook with that too) - it is wonderful for a calming agent and is soothing to skin as well as antiseptic

Sage (ditto on the cooking with it) - makes a wonderful tisane to drink when you have a sore throat, and reduces hot flashes and night sweats, very drying if you have "boggy" conditions

Goldenseal - excellent for conjunctivitis, use as a wash; terrific for direct contact on inflamed mucus membranes (mouth, throat, etc)

Mullein - leaves as a poultice for lower back problems, as a tea for a cough; the flowers infused in olive oil for earaches

St. John's Wort - fresh flowers infused in olive oil terrific for any sort of nerve pain

Arnica - flowers infused in olive oil for muscle sprains, bruises, etc.

Comfrey - leaves infused in olive oil for excellent healing of the skin

Calendula (I cook with this too) - tea for digestive problems (like ulcerations), infused oil as a wonderful skin repairer, dried flowers as an anti-fungal I've written an article about calendula for The Essential Herbal.

Plantain - chewed leaf to take stings away from bee stings immediately or infused in olive oil to use the same

Skullcap - tea or tincture makes a great spasm reducer, headache relief, etc.

There's also passionflower, oats, red clover, black cohosh, licorice, dandelion, violets, stinging nettles, echinacea, meadowsweet, hops, etc.!!!!!!!
dahlianut
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

May 29, 2008
2:25 PM

Post #5020200

Lavender is culinary for me too in herbs de province sachet to be used in broths and soup bases in french cooking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbes_de_Provence. I DEFINITELY recommend using the lavender in this combo.

Favorite non-culinary use is monarda (beebalm). It's a hummingbird magnet in my garden.

Mrs_Ed

Mrs_Ed
Whiteside County, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 29, 2008
3:04 PM

Post #5020370

Thanks for starting this thread!

In my garden…

For Butterflies
Dill, Bronze Fennel, Parsley, Rue, Yarrow

Edited: ooo, yes, forgot to add that I have two new monarda plants this year for hummingbirds and butterflies. I didn't even think of that as an herb.

For Crafts
Lavender, Sweet Annie

For my cat
Wild catnip

For Pest Control
Borage repels Tomato Worms. I have first hand experience with this, it really works.

I've also recently been thinking about making my own facial cleansers and oils from Lemongrass. I'd have to pick up some other items at the healthfood store, like willowbark. I use natural things from Suki for a couple of years now and and thought it would be fun to make my own. http://sukipure.com/



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brigidlily
Lumberton, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 29, 2008
4:22 PM

Post #5020737

Yarrow (which is good for coughs but honestly tastes like gasoline smells), bee balm, St. John's wort, echinacea, feverfew, comfrey, valerian, aloe vera (does that qualify?), calendula, and marigold.
IO1
Waaaay Down South, GA

May 29, 2008
5:50 PM

Post #5021110

brigidlily
Do you grow comfrey, and if so how do you use it?
brigidlily
Lumberton, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 29, 2008
6:01 PM

Post #5021155

I ordered a plant from Richters several years ago, and it was a small leaf and a little bit of root. I keep it in a HUGE pot because I was warned it will take over. I don't use it much but like to have it in case I get wounded. The leaves also make great compost. AND I just happen to have a picture!

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georgiagarden3
Arlington, GA
(Zone 8a)

May 29, 2008
6:37 PM

Post #5021316

I found this while researching potpourri herbs.
A Potpourri Herb sachett contains , any of the following: Lemon Verbena, Pineapple Sage, Lavender, Patchouli, Chamomile, Lemon Grass, Peppermint, Cinnamon Basil.
It also said that they will hold the strong scent after drying...

IO1
Waaaay Down South, GA

May 29, 2008
7:36 PM

Post #5021525

Thanks for the info on the comfrey. I had read where it would take over, and that's why I was interested in whether you grew it or not. I also read where it was harmful if digested so was interested how it was used. :)

I've made some potpourri using lemon balm, Lavender, rose scented geraniums and dried batchlor buttons from a friend on DG. It is a nice mixture. I went to my local craft store and purchased a fixative along with some fragrance oil. I did a little research on the internet to learn what I needed. I'm sure I could improve. LOL
brigidlily
Lumberton, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 29, 2008
8:13 PM

Post #5021692

Comfrey in large amounts can harm the liver, so it's not supposed to be sold for internal use. I've had comfrey tea before; if I had an ulcer, I'd probably take a little, but mainly I'd use it for wounds. You're supposed to be able to pack it into an open wound and it is very antiseptic and very healing. So far I haven't had to put it to the test, thank heaven!

I have some scented geranium/pelargonium out there as well, and it's doing amazingly well. I'd thought it needed a drier climate, but it has not only survived but spread -- I don't know if it dropped seeds or goes out from the roots, but I love the smell. Your mix sounds great.
Moonpye
Paducah, KY

May 30, 2008
5:08 AM

Post #5024547

One would have to eat plates and plates of comfrey leaves in order to have a CHANCE at harming their liver. Poor comfrey was villianized because some scientists isolated and mass produced one of the chemicals it contains and then proceeded to inject those chemicals into rats. After many injections (plus regular ingestion of comfrey leaves), the poor rats developed tumors and died.

And now, comfrey is banned in Canada and the US (unless, of course, you're a gardener and can grow your own!).

And so that leads into my top 10:

Comfrey (of course! You can't beat it as a wound healer...I discovered that when I got 10 stitches in my thumb, AND if you get a bug bite, there's nothing that brings relief faster than a rubbed-on comfrey leaf)

Scented geraniums--I have no clue what to do with them, but I love them ever so much and could happily spend hours rubbing and inhaling them. -- I have attar of rose, citronella, lemon meringue, strawberry, green apple, old spice, and nutmeg...they make my mouth water. I've thought of maybe using them to make a face wash?

Elfwort (Elecampane)--Beautiful, sunny plants, and the roots are wonderful for tincturing as a remedy for deep, congested coughs.

Horehound--another old timey favorite. You can't beat horehound lozenges and syrup, though it certainly is bitter.

Mugwort--excellent "dreaming" herb. I stuff it in dream pillows and drink it as a tea if I'm up for a little nocturnal wandering. :)

Calendula--another sunny, beautiful, and highly useful herb. I love to make a dry skin salve with this one.

Chamomile--You can step on it, drink it, tincture it, or put it in your bath, and it'll just bound back and nod it's pretty little flowers at you. Who wouldn't love it?

Feverfew--None better for headaches. Again, incredibly bitter, but oh so useful.

Bee Balm--For the bees, of course!

European Mandrakes--Obviously, I won't be eating these or using them for any sort of internal purposes. I'm just thrilled that 15 of my 20 seeds germinated and that I now have thriving mandrakes tucked all about my garden. Not to mention the fact that people were SO thrilled when I gave them little mandrakes of their very own. The folklore and history alone makes them well worth the effort, and in two years, I'll get to dig the roots which is, of course, the most exciting part of mandrake ownership. :)

I have to be away from my garden for a week, and I keep getting this strange urge to go outside and dig in the dirt...but I'm not sure my mother would be happy if I started hoeing her perfectly manicured lawn. : /



brigidlily
Lumberton, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 30, 2008
2:35 PM

Post #5025739

Be sure and cover your ears when you re-pot those mandrakes... ;}

Yes, poor comfrey! I've gotten it in Austin, but it's labeled "for external use only" to cover the you-know-what. Demonization of natural things is a real shame; all the "test" shows is that if you use it, use moderation. As you should in ALL things! (Except how many herbs to grow, of course!)
dahlianut
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

May 30, 2008
2:52 PM

Post #5025814

o that is a shame!!! I never knew that about comfrey. Now I want it just because its been maligned and for the skeeters too.
brigidlily
Lumberton, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 30, 2008
3:11 PM

Post #5025874

I assume Richter's still carries it; you might check in the plant files.
dahlianut
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

May 30, 2008
3:21 PM

Post #5025906

Yupper brigidllily. Just added to my looooooooong 2009 seed order. I luv Richter's.
catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 30, 2008
3:23 PM

Post #5025915

This is a great thread, and i appreciate all the good info. Does anyone know of a website that sells seeds in assortments? I'd like to try many of these, but I've spent (and more) my seed money for the year. If I could find a collection of medicinal herb sees at a reasonable price, I could probably raid the couch cushions and car seat...:)

thanks,
margo
dahlianut
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

May 30, 2008
3:29 PM

Post #5025935

Richter's strikes again ^_^
http://www.richters.com/Web_store/web_store.cgi?show=list&prodclass=Collections&cart_id=1672942.3396

and Heirloom Seeds (don't know this supplier but good rating on watchdog)
http://www.heirloomseeds.com/herb2.htm


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catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 30, 2008
3:52 PM

Post #5026001

Wow! That was quick! Thank you so much :). I'm going to raid the stashes...

BTW, I've had great luck with Veggie seeds from Baker's Creek (heirloom seeds).

margo
Moonpye
Paducah, KY

May 30, 2008
10:47 PM

Post #5027714

I'm in
Moonpye
Paducah, KY

May 30, 2008
10:49 PM

Post #5027721

Brigid,

I've got my fluffy earmuffs all ready, so if they scream too loudly, the worst that will happen is unconsciousness and not immediate death. ;)
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

May 30, 2008
11:17 PM

Post #5027829

Ditto on thanking you for starting this thread. I've learned a wealth of information.

I'm growing 2 kinds of lavender for the aroma and making sachets, and because it's my favorite flower. I'd love to have a whole field of it.
Catnip for making tea when you can't sleep.
St John's wort - I knew it had value in an herb garden, LOL, I just haven't researched why yet.
Dill for the butterflies

my garden is still growing.

Phyl

KaperC
No. San Diego Co., CA
(Zone 10b)

May 30, 2008
11:21 PM

Post #5027844

I saw a pink lavender the other day and wanted to buy it, but I have a moratorium on new plants until fall. :-(
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

May 30, 2008
11:24 PM

Post #5027854

KaperC, you should get an award then. You must have strong willpower!

I can only imagine.

KaperC
No. San Diego Co., CA
(Zone 10b)

May 30, 2008
11:30 PM

Post #5027875

No, no, I'm weeeaaak! I have a lot of seeds I'm supposed to be growing so I can plant in fall, when we have much better luck with new plantings. It's hot and dry in summer and our soil is like cement. I also have a lot of maintenance to do before I can justify new plants.
herbalbetty
Middleburgh, NY

May 30, 2008
11:58 PM

Post #5028035

I have a pink lavender, Jean Davis. It's nice, but I prefer the purple lavenders.
KaperC
No. San Diego Co., CA
(Zone 10b)

May 31, 2008
12:18 AM

Post #5028125

You mean I shouldn't feel bad about not buying it? Oh, good.
IO1
Waaaay Down South, GA

May 31, 2008
1:14 AM

Post #5028324

I looove lavender. The only kind I see here is Provence, but I noticed there are sooo many different varieties on the Richter's link for my zone. I wonder why they never have them at my local HD or Lowes? Now I've just gotta have some! LOL Thanks everyone for all this wonderful info. I have a feeling my herb garden is going to be getting bigger. :)

Mrs_Ed

Mrs_Ed
Whiteside County, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 31, 2008
1:42 AM

Post #5028445

IO1, perhaps it's time to go to a larger nursery.

Kaper, I "see" container gardening in your immediate future!
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

May 31, 2008
8:50 PM

Post #5031945

lO1 , My wallyworld had two kinds of lavender this year, 'Lady' and the other package said 'lavendula angustifolia'. Which I couldnt find a picture on here...I might have overlooked it.

I've sown both, but, ( a big but) when I moved them to the other end of the porch to get more sun, i sort of mixed up the trays and I dont really know what is what. (haha isnt that convenient?)

I will probably need help soon determining what I've got.

What is it that they say about good intentions?

Mrs Ed...you said several threads ago that you had seeds, and then I didn't respond because I left but I did I post a few that were dear to my heart; does the offer still stand? (gosh, that sounds like begging)
They would be appreciated, I promise.

Mrs_Ed

Mrs_Ed
Whiteside County, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 31, 2008
10:08 PM

Post #5032258

no, no, I remember. I was waiting to see whom else chimed in. Let me find your "needs" and check my "stash" and then I'll dMail you.

I know I have extra bronze fennel that critter sent me. hmmm, other than that can't remember what you wanted/needed.
KaperC
No. San Diego Co., CA
(Zone 10b)

June 1, 2008
2:44 AM

Post #5033499

Wheee! I get to buy plants. DH just finished a project for me and now I get to fill it with containers. I'm looking for plants that will handle the heat in part sun under some pine trees. This is such a great group, I know you will help me!

See here: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/854149/

nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

June 1, 2008
4:29 AM

Post #5034040

Kaper, like the cart that Molly (was her last name McGuire?) pushed? I'm trying to remember if the statue of her in Dublin, Ireland had the cart or not. (its late and my brain shuts down at midnight)

What a treasure you have there. haha both the DH AND the cart =)

I can't wait to see it loaded and in bloom. And are you leaning towards non-herb plants?

A cart full of thymes? and lavender!!



KaperC
No. San Diego Co., CA
(Zone 10b)

June 1, 2008
5:01 AM

Post #5034166

Nannie, we have mostly California natives in our landscape, so I don't want to get too "cottage-y." Yes, I'm thinking lavender (if it will bloom in part sun/shade), thyme, penstemon, perhaps some salvia, a verbena I saw while googling (Verbena lilacina), perhaps Heuchera, etc. Would like something to trail over the edge, too. I'll start with a few then build on that.

I'll have to keep an eye on the light pattern for some time to see what exactly happens down there during the day. The pine trees offer our only shade in the back, but it's not deep shade except early in the morning.
IO1
Waaaay Down South, GA

June 1, 2008
4:07 PM

Post #5035710

Of course I'll help ... just send it waaay down south. LOL Not a problem. grin
herbalbetty
Middleburgh, NY

June 1, 2008
8:00 PM

Post #5036769

nannie, was that Molly Malone?
KaperC
No. San Diego Co., CA
(Zone 10b)

June 1, 2008
10:57 PM

Post #5037602

Betty, I looked it up - it was Molly Malone and the cart is similar but without sides http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Molly_alone.jpg Since we tend to name everything around here, I hereby dub the cart Molly. We had intended to add two signs to our landscape, one with "Yorkshire xxx miles" and the other with Ireland - we'll put the latter right by the cart!

In Dublin's fair city,
where the girls are so pretty,
I first set my eyes on sweet Molly Malone,
As she wheeled her wheel-barrow,
Through streets broad and narrow,
Crying, "Cockles and mussels, alive, alive, oh!"
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

June 1, 2008
10:57 PM

Post #5037605

see, herbalbetty..i told ya i was crazy. lol I think you are right.
it was an Irish last name. McGuire - Malone. =) I used to have the words to a song they song about her. One of many songs I'm sure. I'm 99% certain her statue had the cart with it. We went on one of those tour buses and the driver sang part of the song for us and I came home and looked up the words. ( thats the way my mind works...like weeds running all over the place)
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

June 1, 2008
11:02 PM

Post #5037643

HAHAHAHA Kaper...you are GOOD. I like the idea of the sign.

On the bulletin board near my desk I have one of those signs that points to the right and says
Luimneach one one line, and LIMERICK, bolded, underneath it.

KaperC
No. San Diego Co., CA
(Zone 10b)

June 2, 2008
12:22 AM

Post #5038027

Cool sign! We have to compromise around here. DH is from Yorkshire, and my background is Irish, English, and Welsh. He got his way with the name of the house - Breezedale - though I had a nice Welsh name picked out; we knew no one would be able to pronounce that one. So we figured with the signs, one can point to his birthplace and one to my grandparents'! We visited Ireland several years ago and I just loved it.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

June 2, 2008
3:01 AM

Post #5038943

KaperC, I just saw them using a version of your cart on "The Tudors" on Showtime!

Breezedale sounds like where we live...there's almost always a breeze.

I went to Ireland twice for work and I loved almost every minute of it, LOL. My first trip over I forgot to take a sweater OR a raincoat. That was a big mistake.

But, I still have great memories.

take care,
p

brigidlily
Lumberton, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 2, 2008
6:10 PM

Post #5041456

In Dublin, they refer to that statue as "the tart with the cart" -- and yes, she is pushing her cart.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

June 2, 2008
8:38 PM

Post #5042116

I pinched MY first herbs of the season off today!! The smell of dill...sage...oregeno. life is good, eh? =)

I read/printed Critter's thread, Pinch, Pinch, Pinch and one from Carolyn Male on how to sow tomatoes for me and my 79 yr old Aunt. Both were so helpful; easy to follow.

My aunt says she's always wanted to have a small herb garden by the back door, so I'm giving her half of my plants/seeds. She's getting more excercise and she's so excited about the whole process.

Once again, I'm thankful for this site, the people who use it. It feels like a blessing to me =)



dahlianut
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

June 2, 2008
8:55 PM

Post #5042182

Thanks for the reminder Nannie. I noticed the mints have flower buds forming so I better get at it.
Foxnfirefly
Falls Church, VA
(Zone 7b)

June 9, 2008
7:38 PM

Post #5078018

Groovy, this thread took off and I just found it!!

Since I'm not a big cook or craftsperson, I now just love to grow herbs for their beauty and flowers, and use them for whatever, whenever. My top ten are:

1) Sage=for foliage, scent & medicinal
2) Soapwort=for foliage, flower, scent & soap suds making
3) angelica=for flowers & scent
4) Evening Primrose=for flowers & scent
5) Meadowsweet=for flowers & scent
6) Burdock=for flowers & scent
7) Silver Thyme=foliage, garden color
8) Wormwood=foliage & insect repellent
9) Amaranth "Prince's Feather" for cut, red flowers
10) Love-in-a-Mist=for summer flowers, seed pods, and insect repellent

Unfortunately, Silver Thyme isn't hardy here and I can't keep it alive after summer. I get it when I can, but it usually have to mail order from somewhere in the South. Lavender is nice, but again, it didn't make the top ten. Heh, heh. I just don't like the way it behaves in my garden. I need to read up on horticultural aspects or something. I planted some at the bottom of a bank and they look like they want to get off.



dahlianut
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

June 9, 2008
7:59 PM

Post #5078061

Which silver thyme Fox? This is the hardy one I know http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2729/
Is it the "hi-ho'' that you can't winter over? Thanks.
Foxnfirefly
Falls Church, VA
(Zone 7b)

June 9, 2008
9:45 PM

Post #5078578

Dahlianut--
No,I think it was "Silver Posie", which was very, very silver and almost like wormwood in effect. It was lovely!!! I got it from two different places in two different years and neither of them survived, so I haven't gotten anymore lately. It seemed like a weak cultivar, but would buy it if it were readily available to replace in the Spring. I would like to try the one you mentioned next year, though. Thanks!! I already went through the ceiling on plants this year. I'm done, and I didn't get everything I wanted, either. :-(

Moonpye--scented geraniums can either be used in salads or teas or potpouri. I have Lemon Meringue also and it was recommended for potpouri and tea. I also have Clorinda, which was recommended for use in salads and porpouri, and Velvet Rose, for tea and potpouri. Not a whole lot of uses, but if you love to drink tea or just rub them in your hands and whiff them, that's good enough!! Clorinda smells like eucalyptus.
dahlianut
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

June 9, 2008
9:58 PM

Post #5078631

I just looked up "silver posie" and I can see why you'd keep trying it. Luvly!
KaperC
No. San Diego Co., CA
(Zone 10b)

June 10, 2008
12:34 AM

Post #5079524

Ooooh, that "silver posie" is pretty.
mizliz101153
Katonah, NY
(Zone 6a)

October 16, 2009
3:26 AM

Post #7174256

greetings all- this is my first post...

i have a formal herb garden in the making and i have a large tree and a hedge shading a good half of it. the soil is very rich. i am zone 6a but it has a north exposure but 18 inch high stone walls and a wind break from the hedge.

does anyone have suggestions for herbs that tolerate pretty shady areas and that the deer do not touch- for example, monkshood. big is fine. i think comfrey will also work. ideas, anyone? thanks so much. elizabeth
herbalbetty
Middleburgh, NY

October 16, 2009
10:44 AM

Post #7174738

Elizabeth. You never know with deer, because sometimes they have to eat 7-8 plants before they decide they don't like something. But...I have found the deer here don't (usually) eat these shady herbs: Sweet woodruff, monkshood, lily of the valley, wild ginger, blue cohosh, stoneroot, trillium, violets, ajuga, turtlehead, black cohosh, goldenseal, lungwort, liverwort, twinleaf, columbine, bloodroot and solomon's seal.
dahlianut
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

October 16, 2009
5:02 PM

Post #7175893

Welcome mizliz ^_^

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