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Peppers: Should I give up on these Bell Peppers?

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Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 9, 2008
7:53 PM

Post #5230837

Should I give up on these Bell Peppers? There having leaf curl, discolaration of leaves, and leaf drop.

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Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 9, 2008
7:54 PM

Post #5230844

Underside of leaf.

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Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 9, 2008
7:57 PM

Post #5230854

Here's a really bad leaf I picked off. Seems to be deficient in something, I guess?

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Farmerdill
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)


July 9, 2008
8:43 PM

Post #5231067

Sweet peppers are subject to a multitude of diseases and a few insects. I would not let a few bad leaves deter me, but if the entire plant is failing, I would try to identify the cause. If you have one of the pepper viruses, then a resistant cultivar is your best bet. Nematodes are my worst enemy. Other folks have problems with aphids and white flies. If you have good soil and other plants grow well, it is not a nutritional deficiency. Peppers are not overly picky.

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bugme
Barnesville, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 9, 2008
8:48 PM

Post #5231080

Farmerdill, your peppers look as good as the pic of your peas you posted...how are you growing such nice veggies without the rain? We've had success with bells by giving them a bit of afternoon sun, planting on the north side of the beans. One year we had no success at all. You just have to keep trying.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 9, 2008
8:52 PM

Post #5231106

Farmerdill, I have a Jalepeno in the same row and it's growing fine. Your's looks great! I haven't seen any insects. I'll have to check again.
Farmerdill
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)


July 9, 2008
10:31 PM

Post #5231663

These are in the kitchen garden with water twice a week. Still not as productive as in a normal year, but this is Satsuma a very hardy customer. I do lose peppers from time to to time, never found a Pimeinto cultivar that will grow here. Many bells also succumb primarily to nematodes.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 9, 2008
10:40 PM

Post #5231713

Must be nematodes!
bugme
Barnesville, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 9, 2008
11:00 PM

Post #5231803

Something learned in the MG class was that peppers are in the same family as tomatoes and when you plan your garden, as well as not planting tomatoes in the same spot as previously, don't plant peppers there either. One of the MANY things learned (and still learning) from more experienced gardeners than I.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 9, 2008
11:34 PM

Post #5231963

This is the first year ever planting Bell Peppers there, bugme.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 9, 2008
11:37 PM

Post #5231978

here is another photo...

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bugme
Barnesville, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 10, 2008
9:07 AM

Post #5234105

Thats a nice purple one. Your local county extension agent can be very helpful with gardening too, Dean.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 10, 2008
2:38 PM

Post #5235106

Thanks bugme, I'll try them!
Sequee
Carmel, NY
(Zone 6b)

July 12, 2008
8:44 PM

Post #5247984

Potaoes and eggplants fall into the same category.

I'm having all sorts of issues this year. Will definitely have to rethink my gardens for next season.
cactusman8
San Marcos, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 12, 2008
10:00 PM

Post #5248361

Dean, I'm still convinced that what you're seeing on your plants is mite damage. I had the same thing going on with my plants about 6 weeks ago. But after treating them with neem concentrate twice a week for 3 or 4 weeks, they finally threw in the towel (I swear I could hear their tiny little feet scurrying for cover when they saw that green spray bottle approaching.) But I think I can now declare victory. Gave my plants a foliar feeding of Hasta-Gro 2 weeks ago and I'm really getting the peppers! But you have to be PERSISTENT AND THOROUGH with the neem treatments and get both sides of the leaves. At this time of year new generations of mites are produced every 3 days. So a single treatment or two will just thin the population for a few days. You'll know when you've finally won when new growth is the normal shade of green and not crinkled. I also highly recommend giving them a feeding of Hasta-Gro to the roots right away to restore the vigor that the mites have sapped. Paul

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Ozark
Ozark, MO
(Zone 6a)

July 12, 2008
10:51 PM

Post #5248605

Dean, as we've discussed before, that's EXACTLY what I've been calling Mild Mottle Pepper Virus for years. Every time I grow a bell pepper that's what it does, and the non-bell sweet peppers have done the same for me, but not as bad. Hot peppers have hardly been affected at all.

But this year I'm confused because I only planted Carmen, Bounty, and Gypsy non-bell sweet peppers and they're doing great. No symptoms are showing, and they all have heavy crops of peppers.

The trouble is that two variables changed at once. We've had so much rain all season these plants have had at least 4 times as much water as I usually give peppers. Maybe that's what made the difference and I never had PMMV in the soil at all?

However, I've never grown these three pepper varieties before and they're all modern hybrids. Maybe I do have PMMV virus in the soil and these varieties are resistant? I really don't know.

I sure wish I'd planted just one bell pepper this time, to see if it did as bad as they have in drier years. Next year, I'm going to plant these same three great varieties as well as some bells - then I'm gonna water the heck out of them and I'll figure out what's going on.

Since you've got bell peppers in the ground, why don't you try overwatering them? About 4 inches a week would equal what mine have been getting all season and that covers one of my "variables". It might be worth a try.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 13, 2008
12:13 AM

Post #5248995

I think I'll try the neem oil like, Paul, described. Ozark, I've also increased the amount of water I'm giving them. This way it will eliminate some of the variables.

Paul, I also use Hasta Gro on a consistent basis.

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Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 14, 2008
8:15 PM

Post #5258671

Paul, I got some Neem concentrate I'm going to spray tonight.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 23, 2008
7:00 PM

Post #5308124

Paul, I'm in week two of my spraying the neem concentrate. It was not tell now, that I noticed that you were spraying twice a week. The bottle suggest every seven days. I guess I need to increase the intervals. I have also been using the Hasta Gro. It seems that the peppers are having new leaves now.
deanna8
Raeford, NC

July 24, 2008
7:47 AM

Post #5310953

Where do you get Hasta Grow? I saw someone else mention it. I have not been able to find it. Do I have to order it? Thanks deanna
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 24, 2008
6:20 PM

Post #5313004

Deanna, I got it at a local Lowe's. It's made in San Antonio, Texas I belive. You may have to order it off the internet. http://www.medinaag.com/hastagro.htm
deanna8
Raeford, NC

July 25, 2008
4:46 AM

Post #5316291

Thanks I have looked in Hd and Lowes here and could not find it. deanna
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 5, 2008
11:50 PM

Post #5374069

Update: Here's a photo of how my bell peppers look today. I'm leaning towards nematodes now. I have consistently been spraying the plants with neem to no avail. Is there an easy way to tale if they have nematodes besides uprooting an entire plant?

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Farmerdill
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)


August 6, 2008
12:18 AM

Post #5374221

At the end of the season, carefully dig up a plant. If the roots are malformed and have growths on them -nematodes.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 6, 2008
12:53 AM

Post #5374403

Farmerdill, what else can I do? I'm willing to dig one up, but it's to late for a cure.
Farmerdill
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)


August 6, 2008
1:04 AM

Post #5374475

There are few cures short of soil fumigation. Solarization is supposed to work but takes time, Commercial growers use soil fumigants. They don't like heavy soils and they don't move much. Peppers and tomatoes do very well on heavier soils so selective planting can work. There are of course cultivars which are not affected much by nematodes The next important thing is to determine if those are the problem. If the roots are normal, then you can rule those out and concentrate on the next suspect.
Ozark
Ozark, MO
(Zone 6a)

August 6, 2008
1:23 AM

Post #5374571

Even though I had a great harvest of sweet peppers this year, I'm back to thinking I've got PMMV in my soil. The symptoms were milder this year, possibly because of all the rain and because I switched to three non-bell hybrid varieties that may have some resistance.

Still, this late in the season I'm seeing PMMV symptoms again now and I'm losing some peppers to it.

If that's what you've got, and I think it is, you're just going to have to work around it. PMMV doesn't seem to bother hot peppers much, and non-bell sweet peppers deal with it pretty well also. The virus is very common, and I think that's your problem.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/CV275
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 6, 2008
1:41 AM

Post #5374661

Thanks Farmerdill, I just sprayed with some Garden Safe Insecticidal Soap so if that dosen't work. I know it's nematodes or a virus as, Ozark, has mentioned. Ozark, I haven't been ignoring you I just didn't wont to believe that I had a virus. I have a Jalepeno in the same row that is doing fine. It's starting to get late in the season to start new plants so I'm trying to save these and get a harvest.
Farmerdill
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)


August 6, 2008
12:07 PM

Post #5375969

There are several PMV , PMMV resistant bells on the market and more added each year, so there is a way to work around it. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/advanced.php?nn%5B1%5D=0&nn%5B2%5D=0&nn%5B4%5D=0&nn%5B82%5D=1&nn%5B83%5D=1&nn%5B84%5D=0&nn%5B85%5D=0&nn%5B86%5D=8&nn%5B87%5D=0&nn%5B88%5D=0&nn%5B9%5D=0&nn%5B23%5D=0&nn%5B10%5D=0&nn%5B12%5D=0&nn%5B18%5D=0&sname=Peppers&Search.x=28&Search.y=12
Farmerdill
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)


August 6, 2008
12:07 PM

Post #5375970

There are several PMV , PMMV resistant bells on the market and more added each year, so there is a way to work around it. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/advanced.php?nn%5B1%5D=0&nn%5B2%5D=0&nn%5B4%5D=0&nn%5B82%5D=1&nn%5B83%5D=1&nn%5B84%5D=0&nn%5B85%5D=0&nn%5B86%5D=8&nn%5B87%5D=0&nn%5B88%5D=0&nn%5B9%5D=0&nn%5B23%5D=0&nn%5B10%5D=0&nn%5B12%5D=0&nn%5B18%5D=0&sname=Peppers&Search.x=28&Search.y=12
Farmerdill
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)


August 6, 2008
12:07 PM

Post #5375971

There are several PMV , PMMV resistant bells on the market and more added each year, so there is a way to work around it. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/advanced.php?nn%5B1%5D=0&nn%5B2%5D=0&nn%5B4%5D=0&nn%5B82%5D=1&nn%5B83%5D=1&nn%5B84%5D=0&nn%5B85%5D=0&nn%5B86%5D=8&nn%5B87%5D=0&nn%5B88%5D=0&nn%5B9%5D=0&nn%5B23%5D=0&nn%5B10%5D=0&nn%5B12%5D=0&nn%5B18%5D=0&sname=Peppers&Search.x=28&Search.y=12
Ozark
Ozark, MO
(Zone 6a)

August 6, 2008
2:05 PM

Post #5376431

"There are several PMV , PMMV resistant bells on the market and more added each year, so there is a way to work around it."
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Yes. There's a resistant bell called Centurion that's been grown commercially for several years, and I've been watching for seeds to become available to home gardeners. I'm sure there are other resistant bells coming out, too.

I switched over to the non-bell sweet hybrids Carmen, Bounty, and Gypsy this year with great success. They didn't show much PMMV symptoms until after I got a big crop in, though I'm seeing it now.

Most hot peppers are almost unaffected by PMMV, but it hits non-resistant bells hard. That's why, when I hear about a healthy Jalapeno growing in a row of sick bells and see pictures like that - I suspect that's what's going on.

Dean, plant some Gypsy peppers next year and see how they do. They're as big as a bell, thick-walled, have great flavor, very productive, and they seem to be resistant to PMMV. I really like that variety, and I bet it'd do good for you.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 6, 2008
3:13 PM

Post #5376771

Thanks guys. Ozark, I'll try the Gypsy next year.
Farmerdill
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)


August 7, 2008
3:06 PM

Post #5381408

Satsuma has been more productive than any bell I have ever grown, It is early and ripens very fast if one like ripe bells.

PS not sure how I managed a triplicate post. I have had some problems with duplicates but never a triplicate. Either the mouse is acting up or I have a computer problem.

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Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 7, 2008
3:09 PM

Post #5381412

Farmerdill, those are some great looking peppers. I was wondering about your triplicate posting. LOL!!!
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 7, 2008
3:10 PM

Post #5381420

I found it available here. http://www.totallytomato.com/dp.asp?c=37&P={42E6B6E8-9AD6-4A05-9FF6-EEF5352A0EAF}
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 11, 2008
10:48 PM

Post #5401233

Well, I haven't given up yet. Yesterday I bought some mulch and mulched the plants like three inches deep. Watered deeply. Today they seem perkier than yesterday. So hopefully this was part of my learning curve. I had mulched with compost back in July, but I guess it wasn't enough.

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