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Sis_E
(Cissy) San Jose, CA
(Zone 9b)

July 11, 2008
12:14 AM

Post #5238086

I have several Canna plants. I am new to them. Someone on here kindly sent a picture of what the seed pods look like and where to find them on my Canna. Well, I found them. They are still green. However, today, a seed fell into the container from the plant (its planted in a large pot). The seed that fell is 1/2 black - 1/2 green. Is it too soon to scar it for planting or do I hold onto it until it all black? It's rather soft and small. The seed pods still on the plant are much bigger - 4 times!

Thanks!
glendalekid
Tuscaloosa, AL
(Zone 7b)

July 11, 2008
12:17 AM

Post #5238105

The seeds should be completely black or dark brown before you try to plant them. When the whole seed pod looks completely dried, then it's time to pick it and take the seeds out.

Karen

Sis_E
(Cissy) San Jose, CA
(Zone 9b)

July 11, 2008
12:26 AM

Post #5238156

Thanks Karen. I thought I just had to nick the outer pod until I see white then soak for about 72 hours...then plant the whole pod. Did I get that wrong? Also, since this pod fell off, then it can't be planted even if it does turn completely blackk?

Thanks!
Cis
glendalekid
Tuscaloosa, AL
(Zone 7b)

July 11, 2008
1:14 AM

Post #5238403

If it does turn completely dark, it might then be good. But if you have lots of seeds coming on the plants, I probably wouldn't bother with just that one.

You don't nick the pod itself. You need to open up the papery sort of covering (the pod) over the seeds. Inside will be the seeds. Do this over a bowl as they are round and have a tendency to "jump". After you nick them until just the white shows a tiny bit, I think soaking for 24 hours is enough.

Good luck,

Karen
Sis_E
(Cissy) San Jose, CA
(Zone 9b)

July 11, 2008
1:43 AM

Post #5238614

That clarifies it, Karen. Dang! Nicking the pod only would have been easier ! LOL. Boy, I'm glad I asked. Now I know to nick the SEED within the pod. I thank you very much, Karen!

cissy
glendalekid
Tuscaloosa, AL
(Zone 7b)

July 11, 2008
2:17 AM

Post #5238818

Yep, open up that papery part - the seeds are inside -- look a lot like dark B-Bs - and watch out or they'll jump out and be all over the floor, and you'll be looking for them. LOL. When I opened up some pods recently to send the seeds to someone, I was surprised to see that all the pods did not have the same number of seeds in them. I suppose it may be because I have several kinds of cannas. Otherwise, the seed pods and seeds looked very much like each other.

Karen

Sis_E
(Cissy) San Jose, CA
(Zone 9b)

July 11, 2008
3:41 AM

Post #5239275

LOL Karen. I'll be real careful of that :) :) LOL

Cis
SCNewbie
Anderson, SC
(Zone 7b)

July 12, 2008
8:21 AM

Post #5245434

Do the seed pods have to stay on the plant until they're brown? I've been cutting mine off to encourage more flowers.
Sis_E
(Cissy) San Jose, CA
(Zone 9b)

July 12, 2008
11:10 AM

Post #5245589

SCNewbie...I believe they do need to stay on the plant. One of the members here sent me this picture of the pods that have turned black and ready for picking.

Cissy

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glendalekid
Tuscaloosa, AL
(Zone 7b)

July 12, 2008
3:37 PM

Post #5246582

SCNewbie,

Cissy is correct. Any seed pod needs to completely ripen on the plant. There are some who are doing hybridizing and playing around with "green" seeds, but that's a specialized area. Leave it until it's brown/black like Cissy's photo, and you'll be fine.

Karen

SCNewbie
Anderson, SC
(Zone 7b)

July 12, 2008
4:31 PM

Post #5246860

Ok, thanks! :))
glendalekid
Tuscaloosa, AL
(Zone 7b)

July 13, 2008
12:14 AM

Post #5249006

Good luck on your new canna babies. Maybe you will get some neat surprises.

Karen

robcorreia
San Diego, CA
(Zone 10b)

July 24, 2008
6:57 PM

Post #5313172

Hello folks, this is great info above! I have a question though. If I deadhead my cannas, will it help promote more blooms? I have been doing this but I am not sure this is the case with cannas as with other plants.
Does anybody know?
Thanks!
Roberta
joy112854
Crestview, FL

August 3, 2008
11:27 PM

Post #5364341

Help! I bought some canna seeds and planted them in a Jiffy greenhouse, in peat pellets with a dome over them. I think I might have overwatered them a bit? Anyways, one is already coming up, it has white roots, which have pushed itself through the little pellet and a pretty green stalk. Really tiny though, not like one from a Rhizome. I have not allowed them to get direct sunlight yet, just left them in the domed greenhouse with pellets for 10 days now. Should I be letting them get sunlight without the dome on? When? And how long does it take for them to grow. I planted about 53 of them, each in individual peat pellets. Any suggestions and advice is greatly appreciated, I am new to gardening so please help me out here?
Joy112854
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 3, 2008
11:45 PM

Post #5364416

Joy, I start mine in perlite. I slowly let them go from a shadier enviroment to full sun.
joy112854
Crestview, FL

August 4, 2008
12:49 PM

Post #5366329

Dean: Thanks, I noticed that some one said it could take 6 weeks to see them growing? The pellets are still moist yet; so, thought about sticking them outside for just a bit on a warm day; but, not for too long, as it is hot here now. But shouldn't I wait until they start to come up? With my Rhizomes, I just put them in pots and then put them on the deck. I tried something different with the Rhizomes this time too, I started them in Miracle Grow Moisture Mix instead of what I usually use. I know Cannas love the sunshine.
Joy
Sis_E
(Cissy) San Jose, CA
(Zone 9b)

August 4, 2008
1:41 PM

Post #5366520

I have several Canna plants. I am waiting for the seed pods to turn black so I can harvest them for replanting. However, several of them have fallen off while still greenish! this means they won't "ripen" to black so the seeds have a chance to be viable? :(

Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 4, 2008
2:24 PM

Post #5366713

Joy, I had some pop up after two weeks. I usually put them in plastic food containers with perlite and put them in a south facing window. Once they start leafing out I pull them out of the container. I then plant them into one-gallon containers in the shade. Yes, wait tell they come up, I would say. Did you nick the seeds before planting them? I use a small file and a pair of vice grips to hold the seed. Just slightly file tell I see a bit of white. I find for tubers any good quality potting soil will do.

Cissy, some cannas are sterile. They are hybrids and don't produce seeds. I don't know if that's what you have or not.
Sis_E
(Cissy) San Jose, CA
(Zone 9b)

August 4, 2008
2:35 PM

Post #5366746

Thanks Dean. But does this mean that the ones that fall won't turn black so I can at least see if they are sterile? I don't know if I have a hybrid or not. Not sure if I want to know LOL :D
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 4, 2008
5:18 PM

Post #5367468

Cissy, if they fall off they won't ripen. If and when yours produce seed pods they would dry out on the plant. Once the pods turn brown and dry out you'll be able to harvest the black seeds within. Good luck.
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 4, 2008
6:19 PM

Post #5367663

Here's some photos of the ones I've grown from seeds.

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Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 4, 2008
6:26 PM

Post #5367689

Here's another photo. The tall one's are Omega, Hawaiian, etc. the shorter ones are Musafolia.

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Sis_E
(Cissy) San Jose, CA
(Zone 9b)

August 4, 2008
7:42 PM

Post #5368008

Excellent, Dean! :)
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 4, 2008
7:49 PM

Post #5368040

Thanks, I need to pot them up to bigger size pots or make a bed for them.
joy112854
Crestview, FL

August 16, 2008
3:06 AM

Post #5420805

Dean: Thank you for your input those are lovely pics. Here where i live we have lots of clay and sand, so I usually buy dirt to plant flowers in. LOL Then I have my brother bail out the clay and replace it with potting soil and then plant my cannas in the ground. I like to leave them in pots myself until they mature and then put them in the ground. The ones I have planted now, the seeds, I plan on transplanting to pots and keeping them indoors until this Spring. My daughter will complain, as I have about 50 of them planted; but, there is room for them in the family room where there is a huge bay window and a pool table, perfect for covering with plastic and then plywood and putting the plants on to receive sunlight until they are nice and strong and Spring is here, then I will have some mature Cannas to transplant to the flowerbeds.
joy112854
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 16, 2008
3:35 AM

Post #5420908

Wow, Joy, 50 cannas is alot. Do you know what kind they are?
robcorreia
San Diego, CA
(Zone 10b)

August 16, 2008
4:29 AM

Post #5421109

Dean, how long does it usually take until sprouting with your technique? I am giving it a shot!
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 16, 2008
7:35 PM

Post #5423195

I'd say a week or two. Make sure they are near some warmth.
robcorreia
San Diego, CA
(Zone 10b)

August 17, 2008
12:39 AM

Post #5424338

hummm. weird, i think it's been around 2 weeks...thanks!
joy112854
Crestview, FL

August 25, 2008
10:50 PM

Post #5467174

Dean: Actually there are 56 canna seeds planted in the pellets, I started a new batch about 9 days ago, there are 11 salmon, 11 red, 12 rose, 11 white and 11 yellow ones. I'm seeing the starting of 8 stems already, can't quit peeking under the dome. LOL This new batch I let soak for 48 hours and then nicked them just til I saw the white rubbing the dark seed covering off first, then I soaked them again for 24 hours before planting them in the expanded peat pellets. I then placed the dome on them; but, of course, can't quit peeking under the dome. I sat them on a stool inside the bay window.
joy112854
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 26, 2008
3:17 AM

Post #5468440

joy112854,

Sounds like your on the right track. Just let those babies grow. LOL!!!
joy112854
Crestview, FL

August 28, 2008
10:53 PM

Post #5480205

Dean: I was really surprised and feel like a hen with her baby chicks here; I peeked under the dome and lo and behold there are 12 little bitty stems sprouting already and two have itsy bitsy leafs already. It's only been a little under two weeks, so I'm really excited here.
joy112854
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 29, 2008
1:38 AM

Post #5480940

I know, they sprout so quickly once you knick them. My one-gallon containers of cannas that I sprouted from seed earlier this spring are growing into the ground. I guess I'll trade them for palm or cycad seeds.
joy112854
Crestview, FL

September 5, 2008
7:33 AM

Post #5510468

Dean: Cannas are the only flower I am planting in the beds next year, I love them, you mentioned using pearlite? I notice that no matter what brand of potting mix or potting soil I use in pots they seem to want to turn to cement on the top and that is not good, why is that? Should I add pearlite to the potting mix or potting soil? I heard that coconut was good also, as it is light, and will not cement together, that bothers me, because then I fear that the roots are not going to get proper nourishment. Should I break up the soil or mix?
joy112854
robcorreia
San Diego, CA
(Zone 10b)

September 5, 2008
5:06 PM

Post #5512055

Hi Joy! If you don't mind my asking...if you are in beautiful Florida, why wouldn't you plant them in the ground?
Rob
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

September 5, 2008
8:10 PM

Post #5512760

Hi Joy,

What type of potting soil are you using?
joy112854
Crestview, FL

September 7, 2008
8:31 PM

Post #5521266

I am living in sunny Florida; but it is the NW part of Florida and come November we start to get pretty chilly, so, don't want to put the baby cannas out on their own, cause come December, January and February it can get pretty cold here, as I have a huge deck I can always put them outside on the not so bad days for just a bit and I have a south facing window and a bay front window where they can get direct sunlight, I will keep the heat indoors at the right temp and come March, they will be ready to hit the beds.

I use a variety: I used Miracle grow potting mix, then switched to the moisture grow potting mix and also have some seed starting mix. I have the ones that have grown big enough to get into pots in the moisture grow right now. I started all in peat pellets. Just before March, I'm going to use the Mantis to til in the left over jungle grow from my veggie grow boxes. As the dirt here is almost all clay and I think the jungle grow mixed in with it should be great for the beds. I gave the ones in the beds fertilizer last week, the kind that you attatch to the miracle grow water sprinkler attatchment and then this week hit them with the systemic. Now in March I will water them with water and Murphys soap and then treat with Sevin and Neem Oil. I've been collecting cut off leafs and letting them stay in a container that has holes in them and slowly rot, then will probably place these around my cannas come November. Only 12 of the 50+ have started sprouting so far, and 5 I transplanted to pots, the other 7 aren't quite big enough yet and the others are a bit slow.
joy112854
joy112854
Crestview, FL

September 18, 2008
3:56 AM

Post #5566605

Dean: My cannas now have leafs on them, how long before they are able to tolerate the sun in Florida outside, I've been moving them out for a few hours on the deck each day; but, no longer than that. I put them in pots just about a week ago from the peat pellets I had them planted in. How do you judge when they are ready for the flower bed? I don't want to put them out to quickly to fight on their own the sun ya know?
joy112854
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

September 18, 2008
6:16 PM

Post #5568563

You should slowly acclimate them as your doing. They should be ready to plant soon. Just use your best judment. Mine have already out grown their one-gallon containers. :)
joy112854
Crestview, FL

September 19, 2008
1:22 AM

Post #5570012

Dean: Got lots of rhizomes to trade for others if you're interested. I started a thread listing what I have to trade in the way of rhizomes for what I don't have
joy112854
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

September 19, 2008
5:48 PM

Post #5572635

Okay, thanks! I'm trying to trade some rhizomes too. I'll check it out.
daves_not_here
Las Vegas, NV
(Zone 9b)

September 27, 2008
5:02 AM

Post #5604832

Can the seeds be nicked anywhere or is there anywhere I should avoid nicking?
Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

September 29, 2008
1:53 PM

Post #5612721

They can be nicked anywhere to the best of my knowledge. But I usally do it on the long side because it's easier for me.
robcorreia
San Diego, CA
(Zone 10b)

September 29, 2008
4:59 PM

Post #5613480

I nicked all over the place and it made no difference, they all did fine!
daves_not_here
Las Vegas, NV
(Zone 9b)

September 30, 2008
4:30 AM

Post #5616012

Thanks, I'll do it tonight!
daves_not_here
Las Vegas, NV
(Zone 9b)

October 1, 2008
7:35 AM

Post #5620460

I actually got it done tonight. They are currently soaking. I'll probably plant them Thurs.

Thanks again, David
robcorreia
San Diego, CA
(Zone 10b)

October 1, 2008
5:04 PM

Post #5621808

Make sure you see the white "thingy" when you nick the seeds. (sorry folks, what is that called?) : )
daves_not_here
Las Vegas, NV
(Zone 9b)

October 1, 2008
7:34 PM

Post #5622368

I think I did it right. When I was filing, there seemed to be two layers. Now that they are soaking, the first layer is lifting. The second layer was thicker and once filed through exposed an opaque center. I filed till the white spot was about the size of the tip of a ballpoint pen.

David
bmattingly38
Charlotte, NC

November 14, 2008
3:16 AM

Post #5788721

I bought some dwarf canna rhizomes and planted them in a pot that was about 12 inches deep. Only about four of the five bloomed at all and that was only once all summer. They were in full sun and were watered frequently. What did do wrong?

dragonfly62

dragonfly62
Nilwood, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 14, 2008
11:46 PM

Post #5791761

David, I think you need to make that a little bit bigger. Cannas from seed are funny. I planted 12 last winter and only 8 made it and out of those only 6 bloomed so you just take chances with them. You need to keep the soiless mix moist and if it starts to mold put sand on th top. BEV Here is my first baby only 18 inches tall in the ground and I got 4 rizomes from her.

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joy112854
Crestview, FL

November 15, 2008
1:01 AM

Post #5792025

Dragonfly: What a gorgeous canna. Mine have sprung up, it took a while; but you can't rush them sometimes. You just gotta be patient. I transplanted all of them into the ground and they finally made themselves at home in the beds, no blooms yet; but then again, it's coming fall so don't expect that til Spring. All my cannas are confused right now, as they are experiencing new growth and dying back, due to the hot/cold weather we are having right now. I've been going from AC/heat constantly lately.
joy112854

dragonfly62

dragonfly62
Nilwood, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 15, 2008
1:37 AM

Post #5792139

Joy you do know that any canna that you grow from seed is a complete new plant don't you. It takes three yrs for them to stablize. You can patent them and name them if you want. I just can't wait to see what this one will do the next two yrs. I don't have the resourses to patent but will enjoy them. I named this one "Bev's Beauty" I have a couple others that are very nice too. Here is one. BEV This is" Lemonaide"

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dragonfly62

dragonfly62
Nilwood, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 15, 2008
1:39 AM

Post #5792146

This one is "Lemon Freckles"

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dragonfly62

dragonfly62
Nilwood, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 15, 2008
1:41 AM

Post #5792158

I have one that had 4 differant colors on it that I call "Fred & Ester"

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joy112854
Crestview, FL

November 15, 2008
7:41 PM

Post #5794428

All three of those are just beautiful. I love cannas, they are not fussy, look beautiful and give me plenty of blooms all year long except this time of year.
joy112854

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