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darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 18, 2008
10:11 AM Post #5279069
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| Quoted: | Gore challenges US to ditch oil
The Nobel laureate and former US vice- president, Al Gore, has urged Americans to abandon electricity generated by fossil fuels within a decade.
Mr. Gore compared the scale of the challenge to that of putting a man on the moon in the 1960s.
He said it did not make sense that the US was borrowing money from China to burn oil from the Middle East which then contributed to climate change.
To secure this green revolution, Mr. Gore said the single most important policy change would be to "tax what we burn - not what we earn". |
Read the rest here:
[HYPERLINK@news.bbc.co.uk]
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gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 18, 2008
11:22 AM Post #5279565
| And sad that in the upcoming elections, candidates are accused of being 'like Al Gore'. Dont vote for them.
I dont mean to be political. I am talking about public modes of understanding basic information about what we can do to save our planet.
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twiggybuds
Moss Point, MS
(Zone 8b)
July 18, 2008
11:24 AM Post #5279575
| Evidently only the nay sayers have weighed in according to the article.
I say let's go for it with all we've got and at least see some major progress.
I still believe we're on the verge of some major technological advances and I'd personally like to hold back awhile to make sure my $ is best spent. That same mentality is also very counter productive because we need to encourage development and popular opinion with our most powerful tool, the wallet.
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darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 18, 2008
11:28 AM Post #5279604
| Twiggy... I think you are correct on both counts!
Gloria... "they" seem to work really hard to keep us uninformed except for what they want us to believe. It ALWAYS boils down to money... money = power. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 18, 2008
11:58 AM Post #5279745
| I would like to say it boils down to information - but then I have always been an idealist. |
twiggybuds
Moss Point, MS
(Zone 8b)
July 18, 2008
12:00 PM Post #5279751
| If Al keeps ranting and if a few of the popular media would promote the idea success would follow.
I've always hated the fact that Hollywood types used their exposure via interviews, etc. to promote a bunch of wonky ideas, fads, etc. But now I'm hoping they'll ramp it up. Such a large % of the population is infatuated with the stars their views carry more weight than anybody. Wonder how Brittany Spears and Paris Hilton feel about the green movement?
In the past, we were fed the news by the 3 networks and now cable. Little snippets that the masses don't even watch anyway. Now we have the internet which I think is more powerful than even the printing press was. It's so painless to instantly find out anything that piques one's interest. All the sites have hit counters and I can't wait to hear going green is the hot topic.
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gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 18, 2008
12:03 PM Post #5279768
| I noticed my soy milk now has a GREEN cap on it.
Maybe we need to issue green berets, or green tee - shirts.
But, wearing the color doesn't make anything happen. Well. maybe its a start. |
twiggybuds
Moss Point, MS
(Zone 8b)
July 18, 2008
12:21 PM Post #5279876
| Awareness awareness...probably a great idea gloria.
Next week Neil Young and company are doing another Farm Aid concert. I hope they come out with a new something to push the movement.
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foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 18, 2008
2:53 PM Post #5280797
| Yes, money has always had a following...but money does NOT buy quality of life as all of us here realize. People keep searching for an easier way & throwing money at a project is a heck of a lot easier than rolling up your sleeves and actually working on it.
Mr. Gore has taken a huge step...but he needs back-up...apparently T. Boone Pickens has taken up the gauntlet...more! more!
How to convince masses of people that they must do without a few things and work a little harder doesn't sound easy to me...
So in what manner can the information be spread so that the ordinary blue-collar worker really "Gets" it? Traditional ways have always moved slowly and customs take years & years to change. We need action NOW. ...but how do you get to the average construction worker and road worker & factory worker & teenager? They like to laugh...how about comedy as a route?
How about a new "Hero"... The Green Avenger..(He'd look strangely like Gore)...we've got writers & artists & original minds...we need a new "Comic Book Hero"...lets start a comic book!
Darius...Gloria...tomatofreak...twiggybuds??????
Yes Darias, it would indeed be lovely
F. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 18, 2008
3:03 PM Post #5280858
| foggywalk: You are elected. Now just how do we translate Paint to Dave's so we can start drawing our comic strip?
One time I did draw a comic strip characterizing all the people I was working with at the time. Every time I find it I have to take a few minutes off. I think it is just hilarious! No one else would of course.
It even had my dog in it, and he is very funny. To me of course.
Oprah has had Al Gore on her show a few times. That level of exposure is what would have to happen. But, it needs to be the Al Gore show! |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 18, 2008
3:06 PM Post #5280878
| Hey Foggy... the book series I'm reading seems to be having that effect in Russia (where it was written)... and without advertising, they have sold 10 million copies in Russia alone... There are incredible reports of what the 'common folks' are doing to change... and unfortunately also reports of the 'backlash' from the secular and religious leaders who don't want to lose control. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 18, 2008
3:17 PM Post #5280949
| Well. Maybe we need to write a high impact book. |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 18, 2008
3:39 PM Post #5281041
| ROFL
Tch, Gloria! You don't consider "the Hulk" high impact?...lol. Now how many folks did you show your comic, to? If you found it hilarious, I bet others would have, too
Yes, Darius, that's what I mean, something that would "touch" the masses including the young set...maybe if we made T.Boone one of the characters, he'd help sponser us. Tell us more about this series from Russia...do you have to know Russian to read it?
could we set up a small website just for the purpose of close communication...
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rtl850nomore
Glendale/Parks, AZ
July 18, 2008
4:45 PM Post #5281287
| Umm, what was it that Margaret Mead said? |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 18, 2008
4:55 PM Post #5281335
| foggy... it's now in English. Few libraries will carry it since advertising fuels book selections. I'll dmail some information to you... |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 18, 2008
5:07 PM Post #5281400
| Thanks Darius
OK, I give...what did Margaret Mead say?
f. |
rtl850nomore
Glendale/Parks, AZ
July 18, 2008
5:15 PM Post #5281443
| “Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.”
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foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 18, 2008
5:43 PM Post #5281595
| WOW! What a motto to live up to...
f. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 18, 2008
5:53 PM Post #5281650
| Margaret Mead said that?
You know I was always amazed in Anthropology that when you went to the annual meeting of the American Anthropological Association - there were the founders of the disapline the same people who wrote the text books and articles that you were reading. I once met Margaret Mead at one of these meetings.
She was famous for carrying a cane and then grabbing onto her young associates with it when she had something to say to them. |
tomatofreak
Phoenix, AZ
July 22, 2008
3:02 PM Post #5302635
| Jayne, I've used that MM line many times but I've found that same sentiment expressed differently many times over. Could it be because it's true?
I love old books and I've picked up some old, ratty ones that have just been delights. One is "The University of Hard Knocks" by an early self-help lecturer, Ralph Parlette, who spoke at chautauquas, lyceums, etc. early in the last century. The book was published in 1914 and reprinted many years. Here's an excerpt:
"Majorities do not rule. Majorities never have ruled. It is the brave minority of thinking, self-sacrificing people that decides the tomorrow of communities that go upward. Majorities are not willing to make the effort to rule themselves. ... They must be led - sometimes driven - by minorities."
The book can be read online here: [HYPERLINK@www.gutenberg.org]
Darius, people are picking at Gore's proposal and there will be scores of attempts to derail his ideas and goals. It is up to us to rebut the naysayers at every opportunity with letters, phone calls, e-mails, or whatever means to elected officials, media and even those industries who need help to get up and running. |
dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 22, 2008
3:12 PM Post #5302675
| I'm in!
I'm averaging ten miles a week in my car (that's one trip a month of 40 miles, and I don't go alone). I don't start the car during the week. I'm eating exclusively out of the garden and freezer. I have bulk flour, dry milk, rice, beans, oats, etc. No tv, gave up newspapers and magazines. Library is in town with the supermarket, farmers market ,etc. so that works for newspapers or books, or I use amazon and internet news.
I don't use air conditioning at all, get up when it's light, go to bed when it's dark. We eat meat twice a month or less. I'm having a great time finding more things to "give up" LOL. My own little revolution.
Gloria, unfortunately the green cap on your soymilk is plastic, and not recyclable at that. Kind of makes you wonder what "green" really means. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 22, 2008
3:38 PM Post #5302790
| dmc: It looks like you are really rollin'
that Lake must be pretty cool to get by with no AC.
I use the green caps from my soy milk to elevate my pots so the water can run through. But after that, I haven't figured out what they are good for. 100+ here probably for the rest of the summer. Henry Rabbit is panting and probably wont make it in the heat. He spends his days cuddling up to plastic bottles with frozen water.
I agree figuring out what is "green" and separating it out from commercial hype is an interesting game.
There is no better way to make something meaningless than to have several different definitions of it. |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 22, 2008
3:39 PM Post #5302792
| Hey Dorothy! Great to see you here again, and that your 'program' is successful. :) |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 22, 2008
4:28 PM Post #5303042
| Well guys...I need an opinion or two...
Our propane gas heat for the past winter cost us 450$ a month...next year we'll have to borrow to get heat...
I have an opportunity to get a small Hearthstone stove... emissions are 2.1gms/hr ...we have appx 30 acres of woods with lots of oaks that are practical to cut in areas where we want to put more productive oaks(for acorn use)...we plan on a coppice woods for later use when outside furnaces improve their emissions (6 yrs. to production)...
soooooo $1000 stove/free wood...no gas usage...2.1gph
or $4000 gas usage...0gph
Which is "greener"?
Foggy |
dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 22, 2008
4:33 PM Post #5303063
| Oh I avoid the lake, don't want to get run over by jet skis or float around in the oil slick they leave behind. The playerz are busy destroying the lake so they can get a government grant to study what needs to be done to fix it. Which can't outlaw jet skis because they bring money into the community.
It's only in the 80's around here but the 80 percent humidity gets old. I threaten to drive the truck to Walmart and buy an A/C and a big flat screen tv. Surrender to the machine.
I'm about the only one around who doesn't have A/C;s sticking out all the windows. Really, the summer only lasts about ten minutes here. you can open the windows at night, then close everything up in the morning, and cover the windows, and there are less than five days that won't get you by.
But people are lazy! It's easier to let the sun shine in and blast the AC and at night when it's 50, keep the windows closed and keep blasting the AC.
I get up by 6 and it's pretty bearable until 11 or so anyway.
Darius...program successful? Well, I don't know, but it's fun trying. DH started getting on board when he lost his job in June. I was really glad I had already started. It's a lot easier to learn when you're not in panic mode. (Note to the rest of the world, there!) I just ripped out all my peas and lettuce and planted fall peas, spinach, and Trout beans. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 22, 2008
4:34 PM Post #5303069
| I visited a couple of guys who run a greenhouse up north of Nashville -
Whitehouse TN. They have quite a large complex of greenhouses and are heating them with a used-oil furnace.
People Ive asked consider this too toxic to use, but the guys at Whitehouse say it is essentially free heat.
Foggy: Is the hearthstone stove a new item or a 'hand me down'? |
dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 22, 2008
4:37 PM Post #5303084
| Foggy we have a Hearthstone soapstone stove and I love it. We can get 30 below here, and everything I save on AC will go for heat. I recommend it, it's an efficient burner. I despise the outdoor furnaces!
You should be able to manage your 30 acres for wood production. Hopefully you can get someone to split your wood? Maybe for barter? We keep the oil furnace for backup. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 22, 2008
4:48 PM Post #5303128
| dmc: Actually it is bearable around here between 6 and 10. Im thinking if I get some trees up to the south and southwest it willl be much cooler. I run the AC when I am on the computer(!) between 10 and about 6pm. My AC is the Walmart type. And only one room has an air conditioner. I do have fans going when the AC is off.
As an archeologist for about 20 years of my life, I spent summers - and some winters - working out side. Through July and August we would go to work at Sun-Up about 5 a.m. and lay off around 2 or 3 to avoid the hottest part of the day. My boss believed you could not get sick if you ate peanut butter in the field - so that's what we ate day after day.
I always had a big hat, loose khakis from the army surplus store, and usually over sized white cotton shirts - oh yes. My canvas army boots. This outfit is much cooler - and safer - than running around in a bikini or cut-offs which I did/do wear sometimes. We were warned however, that going into an A.C. fast food place for ice cream - could make you sick.
And some of the guys tried that.
But by 10 am now, my dogs can't stand it outside, they come in to cool off under the A.C. , and as I said the rabbit is really having a hard time. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 22, 2008
4:50 PM Post #5303143
| There is a wood splitter that looks pretty easy to use. Its always nice to have a man around for those jobs, though. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 22, 2008
4:56 PM Post #5303178
| [HYPERLINK@www.drpower.com]
wood splitter. |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 22, 2008
5:05 PM Post #5303213
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The Hearthstone is new but it's a last years smallest model & in a horrible color...at this season I'm getting a good deal on it. It is really too big for my house, but I'm going to be able to heat the attic & back porch now, too...a bonus!
I also despise the outside furnaces as they now are, but improvements are being made...On our farmstead ,we have a small greenhouse, a barn(planned), a workshop,
& 2 homes, both small...we have to consider heating ALL of those and a properly made outside furnace would do that. I feel sure the future will bring progress...
Our coppice wood would feed that furnace...we are choosing a very hot burning wood to coppice and it will provide cords of wood to sell as a winter income. Its an area that pines have grown up since hurrican hugo. Those will be sold...gasp...to the paper mill & replaced with this more useful planting.
OK..2 votes for woodstoves...
-F |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 22, 2008
5:07 PM Post #5303221
| oh yeah, we have a second hand pto wood splitter for our tractor...
F |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 22, 2008
5:21 PM Post #5303283
| you would need a splitter to handle osage orange. That stuff is HARD. |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 22, 2008
7:16 PM Post #5303881
| Foggy... I vote for the woodstove too. Mine is an older Vermont Castings dual fuel (wood or coal) but it's airtight and fairly efficient. It produces enough heat for this house but I haven't figured a good way to get it to the other end easily. (The house central core is a single-wide trailer.) I buy firewood from a man who cuts only deadfall. We have 19 acres, mostly all woods except around the house, but it's steep. A man would need a mule to drag logs down...
As soon as I can afford to, I plan to buy a new Vermont Castings stove which has lower emissions. In the past I have owned 2 Jøtul's and 1 Morso stove and now it's a toss-up for me between a Jøtul and Vermont Castings. I'd prefer one of the huge masonry stoves that sit in the center of the houses in the Scandanavian countries... the ones where the fire is burned a short time and the stove retains and radiates heat far longer. However, this house isn't designed for that kind of stove.
One of these days I will luck upon a pile of bricks... I want a brick bread oven outside! |
dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 22, 2008
7:33 PM Post #5303953
| darius- I have a load of bricks about 5x5x5 - wish you were closer!
bummer on the layout of the house. This house is cathedral ceilinged open space w/w back bedrooms. If no kids are here theback rooms are closed, and they make nice cool storage. The rest is a perfect layout for wood heat.
At the farm we designed it to be all open for wood heat circulation too. That is a sticking point in a long layout. I know one guy who put ductwork over the stove to collect the heat, with a fan in the duct, and blew it into another room = not sure how well it worked but it was a try.
The hearthstone stoves like ours (soapstone) do hold the heat for hours (overnight). They are a very clean burning and efficient stove according to all reports.
Really though the farmhouses only did have one warm room, the kitchen. That's where everyone dressed and bathed etc. We are spoiled to want many warm (or air conditioned) rooms! Or huge climate controlled McMansions. |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 22, 2008
7:40 PM Post #5303984
| Arrrgggg, Dorothy! I lust after bricks, LOL!
I have pushed warm air via dryer ductwork from one room to the next, using small computer fans... not feasible for 60-70 feet, though. |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 22, 2008
8:17 PM Post #5304199
| my little cottage is of my design & built by my son...only 600 sq. feet...one main room with an unfinished attic(my sewing room to be) of 120 sq.ft & a back porch which could now be enclosed of another 120sq. ft...only 840 ft. in all...the stove would heat up tp 1200 sq. ft with a 7 hour burn time , but a 9 hour heating time. Being a little optimistic, I could probably keep this cottage pretty snug with 1 low fire a day on chilly days, 2 fires on cold days & maybe 3 when it's below zero( we don't have many of those, but a few)...reasonable or not?
OH! lust can be a mighty motivator! What kind of bricks do you need, darius? Will only firebrick do for the oven? We also are planning one, but with our clay soil , we are going to line it with firebrick & cover it with layers of clay mud plaster...an old stove door will be set in for access...would that be feasable in your area? It would take a lot less brick...
-F
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darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 22, 2008
8:31 PM Post #5304298
| Foggy, any kind of solid brick but I will line it with firebrick.
The house I built that was published in Fine Homebuilding was 720 sq. ft. including the entry/mud room and laundry area, both along the back of the house. The Nautilus House I designed for myself (unbuilt) is 800 sq. ft. |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 22, 2008
10:31 PM Post #5304970
| We've got lots of brick, but it's all facing brick with the holes in it...
I love tiny houses and spacious places...my main room is 14 x 26(spacious enough) with an 8x8 kitchen, a library alcove with a barrel ceiling wrapping over a Palladian window & a bathroom/closet complex ... Since its been made with 90% salvedged materials...I call it "Beggers' Haunt"...'Nautilus House' has a fascinating sound.
no...like everything else it's not finished...I have just this week determined to finish the drywall myself...2 years is too long to look at unfinished wallsl. My son contributed a bucket of mud, some tape, his trowels, sanders & a huge "knowing" smirk...Grrrr!
Which issue of Fine Homebuilding was it? I'd love to see it.
F |
rtl850nomore
Glendale/Parks, AZ
July 22, 2008
10:47 PM Post #5305066
| I want an outside brick oven too. |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 22, 2008
11:12 PM Post #5305239
| Issue #1 of Fine Homebuilding |
TamaraFaye
Fritch, TX
(Zone 6b)
July 23, 2008
5:32 PM Post #5308781
| we also have a hearthstone, and we are distributors. so i too vote YES. that is a good price even for the smallest of last years, which i am guessing is the craftsbury or the tribute? even so, you can purchse paint from a dealer, esp if it is only the trim that is painted. the tribute is the absolute most efficient woodstove of it's size!
i too want an oven outside.
and even in Texas heat we manage like dmcdevitt, widnows open most nights, work outside morning and evenings... |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 23, 2008
6:57 PM Post #5309217
| OMGosh, you mean I can change that awful color?! You can't imagine what a relief that is to me!
Yes, I did get a very good deal...& It is a Tribute II...apparently, it was the last of the old ones & they were expecting a new shipment & wanted to be rid of it...Not many buyers that day...it was 102 degrees...LOL
Yes, mornings & evenings are definitely yard work times, besides everything smells nicer then & the evening & mornings have better bird song...
Thank you all for your opinions and help...I've definitely decided on the little Hearthstone.
Foggy
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dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 23, 2008
7:04 PM Post #5309239
| What color is it?? |
TamaraFaye
Fritch, TX
(Zone 6b)
July 23, 2008
8:13 PM Post #5309507
| probably teal... foggy, go to the website to see colors:
[HYPERLINK@www.hearthstonestoves.com] |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 23, 2008
9:10 PM Post #5309741
| Bingo TF! Teal it is. a nice color in most circumstances, but not with my things ...
How is the Tribute II different than the Tribute?
Foggy |
dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 24, 2008
7:00 AM Post #5311129
| Funny when we went to look, the I thought the teal was very pretty - for a formal robin's egg blue and gold sort of room.
I got a discontinued hunter green for $250 off. Well it was like a $2500 stove, but still, for them to pay me to take what I thought was a decent color (log cabin here, lots of reds and greens and browns) was excellent.
I thought red, green, navy, and ivory would be good colors, like Vt Castings has. Instead they had brown and seafoam.
We have the phoenix. |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 24, 2008
11:09 AM Post #5312018
| LOL... the teal really is very pretty, but my little house is not at all a robin's egg blue & gold...the only "collection" I have kept as I pared down my possessions to live in this small space is one of cobalt blue pottery(my accent color)...the kitchen mustard & brick...one of the very modern styles would have been perfect...
the whole is very Japanesey with little frou-frou...the "windows" (really re-used French doors which all open out) all to the floor & no drapes at all...in short not much to dust & take care of, not much to trip over & space enough to handle my occasional "staggering " spells(no, not drunk...just old) & 3 large dogs running through
The house is built right in the woods...cool in summer without A/C...& the trees & garden outside are my decorations
Tried for years to buy an old log cabin, empty & forlorn...love them!
Tch...you got more info than you wanted didn't you?...lol
Foggy
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Hineni
Appalachian Mtns, SW, VA
(Zone 6b)
July 24, 2008
11:53 AM Post #5312283
| Oh Foggy, good for you! I like your stove :) I'm trying to find one here before it gets cold. I have to measure the hearth though, as I don't think it's going to handle a cookstove, which is what I really wanted :(
I've turned the a/c on here once to test it for 30 minutes, and once for an hour when I got so hot my headset for work was making my ears sweat...ugh! I have incredible Hulk towels for curtains in my office (hey, he's green!) and purple bedsheets in the living room currently for the south facing window (which will soon house...A FABRIC SHOE HANGER). Other than that, no curtains here. I have some in boxes, but not sure if I'll put them up or not. I'm kind of liking minimalist living. Of course, scads of boxes to unpack isn't exactly 'minimalist' haha.
My daughter and I lived for nine months in a 462 square foot beach cabin in Florida once. And I even had my two other daughters sleep over regularly on weekends. One a/c unit that handled heat and cool. I never really needed the heat, although the seacoast cold was different from inland cold in Florida. But man, the A/C was definitely used for the couple of summer months we were there. Thankfully, utilities were included in the rent :) It was small, but I worked two jobs and my daughter went to school and worked a job afterwards, so we pretty much only slept and ate there, other than the weekends. We spent a lot of time outside :) I love the sound of your place Foggy; it's the kind of thing I want to do for my mom in the near future if we can ever find and afford a little piece of land near us for her (and us if things don't work out here for some reason!) |
dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 24, 2008
2:35 PM Post #5313083
| LOL
| Quoted: | | I have incredible Hulk towels for curtains in my office (hey, he's green!) |
ROFLOL
Yep he's green.
I'm making window quilts for winter. They will roll up on a dowel. I don't want curtains either but for years have been guiltily thinking about heat loss thru windows and sliders. And heat loss here can be significant in winter.
About cookstoves, your insurance will probably not cover you if you have one. That's the dilemma I faced. I have two beautiful cookstoves. If we get to a point where insurance doesn't matter and there are no utilities, well, out they come! |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 24, 2008
2:54 PM Post #5313149
| Dorothy, do you have the book Moveable Insulation? It may be OP. It sure has some creative ways to insulate windows for nighttime cold or daytime heat.
I bought a wood cookstove once, when I first moved to Boone in 1980. Learning to cook and bake with it was a real hoot. I had to learn... it was all I had except the gas grill. |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 24, 2008
4:22 PM Post #5313657
| dmcd...yes I've lived with insulating curtains for years. My mother made some when I was a child in northern Nebraska...I just don't use them all the time. They really help. Actually, insulating cafes to the floor are very helpful without blocking the light...the cold goes down & is trapped between the window & the folds of the curtains.
I love the view through the windows in winter...you can see the "bones" of the earth...& we have undoubtedly the most gorgeous ice storms in the world...with every twig & blade of grass turned to glass...When it gets REALLY cold (down here that is 0 degrees) mine have rings at the corners & I just hang them on hooks & tuck in the edges.
Foggy |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 24, 2008
4:28 PM Post #5313682
| i love the sound of the trees after an ice storm! |
Hineni
Appalachian Mtns, SW, VA
(Zone 6b)
July 24, 2008
4:28 PM Post #5313683
| Dorthy, we were already told we could have one by the property owner, as one was here previously. Insurance is his worry, not ours. Wanna loan me one of yours or sell one? Can't imagine what the shipping would cost from there to here...LOL! I want one for the summer kitchen that's on the agenda to build for next year too. I'm going to have to work two jobs to afford this down-sized, green lifestlye...heehee.
Will have to look up window quilts(not that I can quilt, but, just sounds cool).
I have moveable insulation...it moves from my thighs, to my tummy, to my... |
dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 24, 2008
4:43 PM Post #5313773
| Oh yeah the postage on one of those would be prohibitive.
I bought one at auction for 175 but had to hire a flat bed truck & crew to move it. It's in my garage. Couldn't afford to have no homeowners insurance, so we got the Hearthstone. The cookstove is a pale yellow porcelain with black trim, with its original shelf w/built in timer and black SPFlour, & Sugar shakers. 1930's I guess. Very boxy & deco looking
The second is a big black w/chrome that is apart in the garage at the farm. Previous owners couldn't find anyone to move it. I gave away three smaller woodstoves, and one big but ugly 1940's white woodstove. |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 24, 2008
4:47 PM Post #5313789
| heh heh heh,...yeah, my insulation moves around like that,...bet it ends up in the same place too...lol...
for easy curtains, try fleece. not really pretty, but...
Yes they tinkle & make little cracking sounds...if there happens to be a full moon after the storm is over...THAT is incredible!
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dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 24, 2008
4:53 PM Post #5313814
| Oh we've had some magnificent ice storms here in the last few years. It is just magical. |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 24, 2008
4:55 PM Post #5313822
| To make any window insulation really functional (and worth the effort), it needs some solid closures along all 4 sides. |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 24, 2008
4:56 PM Post #5313828
| Ice storms ARE magical... until you hear the tree trunks actually bursting... then I want to cry. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 24, 2008
4:59 PM Post #5313837
| I am using the microfleece blankets that you can get at Freds or the dollar store for insulating curtains. I double hung mine with matching shower curtains because they are on a door that my dogs go in and out of. They like to play that they are "Arab" dogs with the fleece draped over their heads. |
dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 24, 2008
5:31 PM Post #5313989
| I have sliders. I built wooden boxes and ran a 1 1/2" dowel through them for the rod. The curtainsll have pocket at the top to go on the rod. The sides overlap the doorframes by a couple of inches. The actually hang flat to the trim but I was going to add velcro. The weighted bottom I'm thinking I will have a couple inches long to actually hit the floor, and I will sew a matching draftstopper that can sit on the hem and seal it.
So far I have curtains out of a dense polyester (fake suede) that I use on hot days to block the sun. They are quite effective at trapping the heat in the 5" depth between glass and curtain. The header box also seems like a good idea for keeping the heat from convecting into the room. Heat of course is not my main concern.
I was thinking of adding batting and possibly a space blanket? to reflect heat back into the room for winter I need to read up on that. |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 24, 2008
6:09 PM Post #5314194
| Dorothy, I have always had more success with putting the rods inside the windowframe & tucking in the sides, & bottom to form 'puddles' of cloth around the perimeter.
But then, I'd run for president if there were a party for lazy folks...You have a lot, lot, lot more cold than we do, though, so comparisons don't work
Yours sound much more attractive & I love the idea of the draft stopper bottom...the space blanket sounds good, too. I'm lucky, we have surplus stores down here that carry huge scraps of quilted bedspreads that were made unsaleable by sewing mistakes...they sell it by the pound. Cheap! Someone might scour their local Goodwill stores for old quilted spreads that could be used...
Oh Gloria! I'd love a pic of your arab dogs! Where's the camera when you want it?
Foggy
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TamaraFaye
Fritch, TX
(Zone 6b)
July 24, 2008
6:14 PM Post #5314226
| yes, they do have reds and greens and blues and whites and almonds, just not all in the wood models, some colors are only in the gas models...
and all the stoves are approved, even for mobile homes, as long as it is installed accroding to the clearances provided...
the hulk is green, yes. i have some interesting window covers myself, mostly quilts, not in the best condition, and none matching, but all have blue somewher ein them LOL and hung with pressure mounted shower curtain rods...
wood cookstove, o h dont' get me going. DH wants the Deva that hearthstone put out... nickel plated, etc etc... |
TamaraFaye
Fritch, TX
(Zone 6b)
July 24, 2008
6:16 PM Post #5314232
| btw, i would recommend the blue/black finish for you. goes with ANY decor... |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 24, 2008
6:23 PM Post #5314273
| In the historic South, windows often had (do have) shutters installed inside the frame on the window interior. This is to keep the sun out, but it can also be used to keep the heat in, in winter.
In Victorian times, the shutters were augmented with window length drapes that extend 2 ft or more so that they "puddle" on the floor. That happened about the same time, that wood burning fireplaces were modified for the use of coal. |
dmcdevitt
Schroon Lake, NY
(Zone 4a)
July 24, 2008
6:33 PM Post #5314331
| I wondered about taking panels of that blue foam insulation and gluing some fabric on the front to be spiffy, and using velcro to stick them to the windows at night. There is the storage factor in the day of course, but heck night is like 16 hours in the winter anyway. They're lightweight. You could probably even put some mylar on to reflect light and save on electricity |
TamaraFaye
Fritch, TX
(Zone 6b)
July 24, 2008
6:36 PM Post #5314354
| i fyou can make some thing fold-able, then you could possibly store them between the windows, under the drapes?
i just raise and lower my quilts to let in as little or as much light as needed... |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 24, 2008
6:36 PM Post #5314355
| Good idea! Blue/black sounds perfect...It would look nice with the grey soapstone, too...& I have a few black wrought iron artifacts.
Well, there you go, I'm just an old-fashioned girl by instinct, i guess, but i didn't know I was Victorian...lol
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gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 24, 2008
6:41 PM Post #5314373
| If you had some plywood and hinges you could do the insulation board/fabric on one side, and mirrors on the other. Attach the hinges to the plywood and to the window frame. Maybe masonite would work instead of plywood. |
TamaraFaye
Fritch, TX
(Zone 6b)
July 24, 2008
6:43 PM Post #5314384
| they have black, but it is matte, and i don't know ho wwell that will paint over the glossy teal... be sure to follow precautions, including firing it up with a fan blowing and window open for the first paint fumes that burn off... that is serious stuff... |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 24, 2008
6:59 PM Post #5314460
| Ive painted a stove before - red. The fumes keep coming and can be pretty noxious.
Be sure the paint you use has a heat index on it - like maybe automotive engine paint. Ordinary paint will burn and burn and burn until all you have left is a black crust. |
foggywalk
marshville,, NC
(Zone 8a)
July 24, 2008
8:01 PM Post #5314773
| oh Gloria, I'm going to steal that idea ! But plywood is easier to work with & doesn't warp...
TF nah, I don't really want matte, I've seen that blue/black color & it would be nice with the cobalt... |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 24, 2008
8:08 PM Post #5314822
| I was thinking you could pull the fabric round the plywood/insulation board and secure it with some plain/or fancy molding to suit.
Im sort of thinking of an old dressing screen that was left in the house here when I bought it. The panels are hinged together, and there is/was a gathered fabric and plain framing. |
darius
Marion, VA
(Zone 5b)
July 24, 2008
10:00 PM Post #5315540
| Dorothy... that's one of the ideas put forth in the movable insulation book. They also have some clever ideas about storing the foam panels but I don't recall it offhand. I haven't even looked at that book in 10+ years. :) |
TamaraFaye
Fritch, TX
(Zone 6b)
July 25, 2008
12:34 AM Post #5316261
| yes gloria, you are right. the paint provided from the stove company is safe for those high temps. that is why after it dries and cures, you do an initial burn with a fan and window behind it. then it will no longer produce toxic fumes...
as my DH pointed out, you dont' have to buy from them, you could go through Grainger or any other company, as logn as the grade is like gloria said...
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msrobin
Caneyville, KY
(Zone 6b)
July 28, 2008
2:09 PM Post #5333070
| Found this link for insulated window shades.
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