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Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 13, 2008
6:53 PM

Post #5409545

A recent question on rose forms and shapes came up within PlantFiles. I checked Gardenology, and discovered we were really "light" on rose terms. So I've added some of the classes, forms and shapes I was familiar with, and gave them their own section here: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/cat.php?catid=3

But there are probably many other rose-specific terms that those in-the-know could help with.

And within these existing entries, anyone can add more definitions, send us corrections, and/or add pictures as illutrations.
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 15, 2008
11:54 PM

Post #5420017

Perhaps shipping terms could be added. Recently someone asked me what a band was and the difference between a bare root and a potless rose.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 16, 2008
12:58 AM

Post #5420248

ardesia, would you mind adding "band" and "potless rose", along with a definition for each?

We have bare-root in the general terms (since it isn't limited to roses only): http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/62.html
iris28
(dana)Owensboro, KY
(Zone 6a)

August 16, 2008
1:29 AM

Post #5420410

grafted, own root , bud union, cane . what about rose disease, canker ,powdery mildew , blight rose mosaic virus, rose rosette . basal break, sucker , sucker on own roots .

This message was edited Aug 15, 2008 7:43 PM
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 16, 2008
11:40 AM

Post #5421534

Potless I can handle but perhaps someone who has actually ordered and received a band can explain that one better than I can. I understand it is the pot size but it seems to be a unique term to roses; you don't hear it in relation to other plants. At least I haven't heard it elsewhere.

Edited to add this site with good descriptions of lots of keywords.

http://www.ashdownroses.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=3#sizekeys


This message was edited Aug 16, 2008 7:47 AM
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 16, 2008
12:01 PM

Post #5421594

Terry, I added a definition, previewed it and the screen said if I was satisfied with my entry to click "add" but there was no add to click. Am I missing something?

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 16, 2008
1:40 PM

Post #5421904

ardesia, here's the link to add the term: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/add.php

Once you've added the term, the system will immediately give you a link to add a definition to it. Please let me know if you have any problems. Once you've created the entry and definition, I can re-classify it for Roses.

iris28, having those terms would be very helpful - would you care to add them? (You may find a few of those are already in Gardenology because they apply to more than roses.)
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 16, 2008
3:50 PM

Post #5422491

Thanks Terry, the "add" was here this time. The first time I must have tried during a maintenance period.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 16, 2008
5:49 PM

Post #5422879

Great!! Thanks for trying again! It looks like your definition may have tangled with our html editor - can you tell me what you wrote, and I'll be happy to re-add it for you: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/3456/
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 16, 2008
5:51 PM

Post #5422889

Here you go...

Shipping a "Potless" rose refers to when a grower removes the pot and much of the loose potting medium to reduce the weight for shipping purposes. Unlike a bare root plant there is still enough soil around the roots to maintain the appropriate moisture level during the transition from the nursery to your garden. This method would usually be used with an actively growing plant.


LOL, what kind of pot did that html editor think I was referring to?????? :-)

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 16, 2008
6:18 PM

Post #5422992

yay - it's now in place. (Using double quotes on a new submission makes the system go a little nutsy. But for whatever reason, we can add them after it's been submitted...go figure.)
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 16, 2008
7:07 PM

Post #5423130

Thanks Terry
:-)
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 19, 2008
2:00 PM

Post #5435464

OK Terry
I added Shrub Rose and not only did the final entry look all wonkie I think it's under general rather than rose...
Now I can't fix it.
Help?

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 19, 2008
3:11 PM

Post #5435824

Dovey, I think the entry itself looks fine (not wonky at all! *grin*) Thanks for adding it to the list!

I changed the category to "roses": http://davesgarden.com/products/ps/c/2542/

Changing the category is something that only an admin can do, so if any other terms should be re-categorized, please let us know!
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 19, 2008
3:22 PM

Post #5435891

I think I fixed it wonkie part
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 21, 2008
6:11 PM

Post #5447773

Terry,
I added some definitions for bloom forms... I got going and then noticed a few were already there.
I don't know if you would like me to delete them, or if you can move them or what.
Geeze I hope I'm not being more trouble than I am helpful.

Dove

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 21, 2008
9:43 PM

Post #5448497

dovey, I think I've got them fixed: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/cat.php?catid=3 - if any of these should be re-named, please let us know!
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 22, 2008
2:06 PM

Post #5451689

The changes look great Terry
I noticed you had Antique Roses and Old Garden Roses, in the same definition the term "Heirloom roses" should be added. All three are interchangeable.

I added Balling, Rambler and Heirloom Rose

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 26, 2008
6:02 PM

Post #5470574

Dovey, thank you so much! I've added your terms to the "roses" category.
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 28, 2008
8:37 PM

Post #5479683

I'll keep plugging away at it, it's something I enjoy.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 29, 2008
2:55 PM

Post #5482836

Great - thank you so much, and I hope your work will inspire others to join in the fun!!!

Let me wind up and pitch this to everyone who might be reading:

Most glossaries you find in books or online are one-dimensional (i.e., created by one individual or small group of people, without any input or opinions from the "real world" beyond themselves.) They are static: they were printed or uploaded and declared "done" once and for all, so errors aren't corrected; new terms, definitions, and illustrations can never be added.

Don't get me wrong - there are some well-done references, created by highly respected experts, no doubt.

But Gardenology is a unique opportunity for gardeners to participate in sharing their expertise in a very egalitarian way. It's not every day that most of us can say that we helped construct or edit a glossary of key terms and concepts. I hope many others will join in and share what you know - it will become a helpful tool for current rose growers, and those who will come along in the future.
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 30, 2008
2:30 PM

Post #5486685

Terry,
I was begining to think I was being a pest.. or that perhaps you would rather me send a D-mail.

I think sometimes people feel intimidated about wording a definition, like it's got to sound like something straight out of Funk & Wagnalls.
I think it's good to word a definition a little less formal so an individual who isn't familiar with the lingo can understand easily.

Adding photo example is another way to to a definition without having to say a word.

I added Cane Borer (with photo yippee) Blind Shoots and Lateral Cane.

This message was edited Aug 30, 2008 10:51 AM

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 30, 2008
6:07 PM

Post #5487430

Not pesky at all - thanks again, and I'l move those into the roses category ;o)
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 7, 2008
1:41 PM

Post #5519768

I've added Bud Eye, Cornell Formula & Two dollar hole.
I hoped a tiny bit of humor might be ok.
gloria125
Greensboro, AL

September 22, 2008
5:36 PM

Post #5585327

Rose Terminology? Did you mean to include classification of the roses?

http://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/family/moschatas

My favorite reference for the different kinds of roses is Peter Beals, Classic Roses.

At his website there is a dropdown box Rose Families and with a click on each name you get a brief definition of that class of roses.

His book, Classic Roses has a more definitive discussion.
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 22, 2008
6:48 PM

Post #5585560

Gloria,
Classes of roses is part, we are also looking for terms that primarily are used when discussing roses.
Any member can add to a definition that is already posted or add a new term that no one has considered yet.
That's the beauty of the project, it's not just one entry but several views from many rose lovers.
If you see a class of roses that hasn't been covered yet, it would be great if you would add it... even if you just want to add the name and then let someone handle describing the class or term.
Here is what we have so far
http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/cat.php?catid=3

Cheers
Dove

trackinsand

trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 6, 2008
12:24 AM

Post #5756941

what about adding the word "rootstock" and the various kinds used. Dr.Huey, Fortuniana, Multiflora, etc.
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 6, 2008
5:29 AM

Post #5757918

I think that would be a great topic to cover
go for it

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


December 17, 2008
1:40 PM

Post #5900895

I'm so sorry I didn't see your November suggestion earlier. We have "rootstock" in Gardenology here: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/753.html

Since it applies to more than just roses, it's in the main area of Gardenology. But if someone would like to add "rose rootstock", and a definition for it, I can move it to the Roses section.
dovey
Columbus, OH
(Zone 5b)

December 17, 2008
2:51 PM

Post #5901078

I added

Rose understock - rootstock
Steve812
Prescott, AZ
(Zone 7a)

December 27, 2009
6:34 PM

Post #7401960

I have ordered roses in bands. I think that one must also define "rooted cutting" in order to describe roses delivered in bands because what one receives in the little 3" x 3" x 5" plastic containers will vary from rooted cuttings to small plants in which the roots practically fill the container.
roseclem
Broken Arrow, OK
(Zone 6b)

January 10, 2011
8:31 PM

Post #8303749

Pot less roses are those that are potted and growing up to the ship date. They are pulled from the pot and the excess soil is removed and the root ball is sealed in a plastic bag for shipping. They are planted with a mound in the bottom of the hole just like planting a bare root. However they grow much faster since they have their feeder roots in tact. I have had great success with them.
LAS14
Albany, ME
(Zone 4b)

July 5, 2011
2:01 PM

Post #8674225

How can I add "leaf" and "leaflet" to the category "roses?" The terms are already there in a general sense, but if you show all the rose terms, it doesn't help you know how to talk about the individual green things ("leaflets" on a rose) or the sets of pairs of those individual green things with one on the end ("leaf" on a rose).

TIA
LAS

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


July 5, 2011
2:17 PM

Post #8674255

LAS, I think the only way to add it would be to add "rose leaf" and "rose leaflet" if those are valid, accepted terms in rose circles. Terms that are shared across multiple plants can't be duplicated in these genus-specific sections.
LAS14
Albany, ME
(Zone 4b)

July 5, 2011
5:14 PM

Post #8674597

Terry, I clicked on the link in Rose Forums to add a term (embedded in one of your messages). I presented me with a field to add a term, and I put in "Rose leaflet" and hit return. But I kept getting that same page presented over and over, each time I entered the term and hit return. Advice?

LAS

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


July 5, 2011
5:24 PM

Post #8674622

This link doesn't work? http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/add.php
LAS14
Albany, ME
(Zone 4b)

July 6, 2011
10:05 AM

Post #8676094

Terry, I put in "rose leaflet" as a term and this time it allowed me to look at it and add a definition. (Aside, I really think the term field and definition field should appear at the same time. What's a term without a definition?). I entered this:

A rose "leaf" is a collection of "leaflets" in pairs (usually 2 or 3 pairs), with a single "leaflet" on the end of the leaf.

But when I went back to inspect it I see:

Definition of Rose leaflet
Categorized under "General"
Definition as written by LAS14:
A rose \
Edit\Move\Delete

P.S. - I was disappointed to find the definition field empty when I wanted to modify it after Preview and used the back arrow. I had to type the whole thing in again.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


July 6, 2011
10:19 AM

Post #8676127

Ahh, yes - that feature has always had a problem accepting quote marks (" ") - it will take them when you re-edit it, but not on the first attempt - it truncates and erases everything after the quote mark.

I had forgotten it had that quirk, but I've re-entered your definition here: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/3604 and placed it in the "Roses" category.
LAS14
Albany, ME
(Zone 4b)

July 6, 2011
12:34 PM

Post #8676429

Thanks so much!
Would I have been able to put it in a category? I didn't see a place.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


July 6, 2011
12:56 PM

Post #8676469

Thank YOU for adding to this feature. I think only admins can see the link to place it in a category :-)

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