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Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 15, 2008
7:46 PM

Post #5419005

Within Gardenology, we have the ability to create sub-groups of terminology. This featurette was actually built for daylily terms, but we never quite got around to filling it out.

Well, I spent some time this week putting more of the terms I was familiar with into their own group: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/cat.php?catid=2

Now we need your help; if you're a hem grower, collector or admirer, can you please look at this list and:

1) tell us if we need to correct any of the entries;
2) add more terms (or tell us what should be entered);
3) add better definitions if necessary; and
4) add some photos for illustrative purposes.

Any feedback or information you can give would be most appreciated!

Thanks,
Terry

slcdms

slcdms
Ripley, MS

August 15, 2008
9:36 PM

Post #5419396

I looked and all I could think of is prolif-I am sure there will be more, you know us daylily folk, we invent words if we have to-lol
This is a great help. thanks
Sandra
sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

August 15, 2008
9:52 PM

Post #5419478

Rebloom, nocturnal; I'm sure there's more to come.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 15, 2008
10:05 PM

Post #5419536

Wanna add 'em? I would really like for more contributors to share what they know ;o)

If you want, I can add the entry, and you can add the definition...but adding an entry is easy as pie.
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 15, 2008
10:09 PM

Post #5419554

How about polychrome, stippled, plicata(I think that is another word for stippled) diploid

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 15, 2008
10:26 PM

Post #5419647

If you'd like to add them, that would be great! I *think* plicata is a botanical specific epithet in Botanary.

But plicate (or plicated) would be an appropriate form of the term for Gardenology.
dorothian
Bad Axe, Mich., FL
(Zone 5a)

August 15, 2008
10:34 PM

Post #5419684

How about POLYTEPALOUS, meaning a daylily that has extra petals and stamens. They also have extra ovary compartments which is reflected in seed pods having extra seed compartments. They only have one pistil which distinguishes them from abnormal blooms formed by fusion or fascination of two otherwise distinct blooms.
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 15, 2008
10:35 PM

Post #5419691

yep, that's a good one
dorothian
Bad Axe, Mich., FL
(Zone 5a)

August 15, 2008
10:38 PM

Post #5419715

There are subforms of daylilies which are actually subclasses of the officially designated forms. These are: CIRCULAR, TRIANGULAR, STAR, SEGMENTS RADIATE TO SIX POINTS, INFORMAL, FLAT, RECURVED, and TRUMPET.
dorothian
Bad Axe, Mich., FL
(Zone 5a)

August 15, 2008
11:06 PM

Post #5419838

Then we have color and patterns of daylilies.
SELF-all the same color
BLENDS-petals and sepals have the same intermingling of two or more colors
POLYCHROMES-flower segments have an intermingling or three or more colors
BITONES-petals and sepals are different shades of the same color, with the petals being the darker shade
REVERSE BITONE-same as above,but with the petals being the lighter shade
BICOLORS-petals and sepals are different colors. the petals are the darker color
REVERSE BICOLOR- same as above, but the petals are the lighter coloir
EYES AND BANDS-a zone of different color or a darker shade of the same color between the throat and the tips of the petals. If the zone occurs on both the petals and sepals it is called an eye, if it is only onb the petals it is called a band.
HALO- the zone is lightly visible
WATERMARK-i the zone is a lighter shade than the rest of the segment
CONTRASTING EDGES-some are lighter and some darker than the segment color
CONTRASTING TIPS-segment tips or only petal tips are a different color than the body of the segment
DOTS OR DUSTING-an uneven coloration and can include flecked,speckled, and stippled in appearance
CONTRASTING MIDRIBS-the center vein running lengthwise through each flower segment which is a different color or shade from the main part of the segment
DIAMOND DUSTING-tiny crystals in the flower's cells reflect light making the flower sparkle.
TEXTURE-the surface quality of the tissue structure of the bloom
SUBSTANCE-the thickness of the tissue structure
SCAPE-the stem of a daylily that holds the flower, low (6" to 24"), medium (24" to 36"), tall (over 36")
mystic
Ewing, KY
(Zone 6a)


August 15, 2008
11:55 PM

Post #5420021

Terry I did add bloom scar but I didn't see away to put it in the daylily category. Is that something you have to do or can it be done as they are entered?
IndaShade
Kylertown, PA
(Zone 5b)

August 16, 2008
4:45 PM

Post #5422650

CMO- cool or cold morning opener. Not the same thing as an EMO- early morning opener.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 16, 2008
6:20 PM

Post #5422997

Thanks - I'm really hoping you'll each take a few minutes to add these yourselves, if you don't mind. It makes for much better/more interesting reading when all the entries aren't submitted by the same person (namely yours truly ;o)

Plus, I don't want to steal your thunder - if they're your definitions, you should get credit for them!
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)

August 17, 2008
6:01 AM

Post #5425418

ploidy, diploid, tetraploid, proliferation - I'm sure there are more that are already in garden terms, but I don't know if they should be moved or entered again, so I guess I have the same question as Mystic.

I saw a way to move a definition but I don't know what the TID ? is for the daylily category? I put "proliferation" in garden terms some time ago, if anyone wants to put it in with daylily terms please do so (there's a pic there, too). I'd be happy to add or move that one or others but I don't know how.

Mike

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 17, 2008
12:25 PM

Post #5425704

I moved proliferation.

Ploidy and tetraploid are categorized under "Daylilies": http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/cat.php?catid=2

Is diploid a term used commonly outside of hems? If so, it should stay in the general category. If its use is pretty much limited to daylilies, I can move it as well.
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)

August 17, 2008
4:14 PM

Post #5426574

All the various ploidy terms apply to different plants (and animals- humans are diploid). As to being used outside of hems, Iris and Hosta breeders use these terms too, maybe others. Maybe some terms should be in both categories, or given a different definition as they apply to hems?

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


August 17, 2008
7:27 PM

Post #5427382

Within the database structure, we can't create two separate entries for the same term. If there is a way to differentiate within the name, we can create two entries for slightly different names of any term.

dragonfly62

dragonfly62
Nilwood, IL
(Zone 5b)

September 23, 2008
12:26 AM

Post #5586701

Hope this is the place to ask this but does dormant mean dying clear to the ground and evergreen, the leaves stay green all winter like some other plants? BEV
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2008
12:14 PM

Post #5588293

Yes that's correct Bev.

dragonfly62

dragonfly62
Nilwood, IL
(Zone 5b)

September 23, 2008
12:21 PM

Post #5588317

Thanks HEM.
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2008
12:23 PM

Post #5588320

You are welcome!!!
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

September 23, 2008
4:25 PM

Post #5589215

Here is my contribution:

ENABLER: An enabler in most definitions is a Hemaholic who through his or her actions allows someone else ( a Newbie or other Hemaholic )to achieve an additioal state of Hemaholism.
ie. Gardenglory did you see all the new offerings on the LA this morning? You should go look!!!

LOL
HostaLily
Florence, SC
(Zone 8a)

September 23, 2008
7:51 PM

Post #5589928

ROFL @ mosbyone.

We are all enablers. ;-)
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 23, 2008
11:25 PM

Post #5590773

How UFO, unusual forms?
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 30, 2008
10:47 PM

Post #5618934

Lining out.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


October 12, 2008
9:14 PM

Post #5663024

We have UF: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/2809.html
and unusual form: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/3357.html

We have liner plants: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/547.html
and liners: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/2341.html

If lining out needs a separate entry, you're welcome to add it: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/add.php
SusanLouise
Lincoln, NE
(Zone 5b)

January 27, 2009
8:39 PM

Post #6058694

Ok ladies,
You guys are definately speaking a different language...I'm sitting here...DUH!

I'm taking the Daylilies 101 class...ROFL

What's a "hem" grower/collecter/admirer?

I need an enabler to give me the scoop!

This message was edited Jan 27, 2009 2:41 PM
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

January 27, 2009
9:16 PM

Post #6058833

A "hem" is a Hemerocallis = Daylily
nifty413
Garland, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 3, 2009
3:01 AM

Post #6900050

Shouldn't the correct written name be "day-lily" since they are not in the genus Lilium?

Edited to add link: http://ip30.eti.uva.nl/BIS/flora.php?selected=beschrijving&menuentry=soorten&id=1340

This message was edited Aug 2, 2009 10:06 PM
dorothian
Bad Axe, Mich., FL
(Zone 5a)

August 4, 2009
12:11 AM

Post #6903708

The American Hemerocallis Society spells it DAYLILY OR DAYLILIES.
DayBloomer
Elizabeth City, NC
(Zone 8b)

August 22, 2009
3:20 PM

Post #6975879

So does the dictionary dorothian. ;-)
DayBloomer
Elizabeth City, NC
(Zone 8b)

August 22, 2009
3:29 PM

Post #6975905

You could also add daylily rust and daylily rot.
Wandasflowers
Cedar Rapids, IA
(Zone 5a)

August 27, 2009
8:19 PM

Post #6995219

Or daylily addiction.

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


October 1, 2009
7:27 PM

Post #7124056

sorry for the belated reply

daylily rust is here: http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/1952.html
Pictures would be helpful additions!

daylily (crown?) rot is not yet added; anyone is welcome to add the term and a definition.

addiction is sadly not limited to a particular genus (*grin*)
sillybug5
Winston Salem, NC
(Zone 7a)

October 26, 2009
1:30 PM

Post #7209528

Terry. I would like to see added to each daylily listed on plantfinder the category BUDCOUNT. This is a VERY important, critical really, descriptor of hems.
dorothian
Bad Axe, Mich., FL
(Zone 5a)

October 26, 2009
4:34 PM

Post #7210156

sandnsea2, are you taljking about the registered bud count, or the bud count in your zone? They can be quite different.
sillybug5
Winston Salem, NC
(Zone 7a)

October 26, 2009
4:47 PM

Post #7210187

Any listing of budcount will be better than none. Registered is fine.
sillybug5
Winston Salem, NC
(Zone 7a)

October 26, 2009
4:48 PM

Post #7210192

I think sellers oftentimes are against adding this descriptor.
rebloomnut
Cut Bank, MT
(Zone 3a)

October 26, 2009
7:43 PM

Post #7210782

I know for me bud count is very important and if we had but count for what zone it would be wonderful.
Thank you

Terry

Terry
Murfreesboro, TN
(Zone 7a)


September 29, 2010
7:11 AM

Post #8127409

Sorry - I realize this request is really old.

Here are my questions:

1) Are there standard ranges for bud count?
2) Is there some normalized data that can be considered reliable and accurate?
3) Do we have some volunteers to go through and begin the process of adding this data to each entry? (We have over 38,000 entries in PlantFiles.)

Thanks!
Terry
DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

September 29, 2010
7:02 PM

Post #8128727

(1 & 2) Don't know if there is a definitive answer. What is published by the AHS is the information that the hybridizer puts on the registration form. Unfortunately not every hybridizer puts bud count and branching on the form when they register. As far as I know, there is no regulation on this, it is just what they say it is in their garden. Some hybridizers test their plants in different locations, other do not.

Part of the problem is that bud counts are variable depending on the general fertility of the soil, the frequency of fertilization and level of water available to the plants, and climate. Bud counts tend to be higher in the south than the north for the same plant.
DL_Fan
Raleigh, NC

November 12, 2010
12:36 PM

Post #8208289

The American Hemerocallis Society has a webpage with defintions of daylily terms which is illustrated, complete, and easy to use:
http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_dictionary/dictionary.html

By the way, "polymerous" has replaced "polytepalous"; see
http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_dictionary/polymerous.html
Lilyofthenight
Victoria, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 18, 2011
7:02 PM

Post #8505080

My first day here...joined the site today.I am a day lily freak, but a newbie somewhat to SOME of the terms. However, one I don't see listed is for the lilies that open in the evening. I purchased several just for that reason. Lots of 9 to 5'ers that work days purchase evening bloomers so they can be enjoyed after a long work day. One site I order from lists these as OE...(open evenings)
Just a suggestion. I am sure I will be seeing more of you hem heads soon...
~~Peace~~
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

April 19, 2011
4:40 AM

Post #8505782

Sometimes the evening daylilies are listed as NOC or nocturnal. They start opening in the evening and remain open all the next day so they can also be classified as EXT or extended bloom.
Lilyofthenight
Victoria, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 19, 2011
6:56 AM

Post #8506086

Ohhh! Ty hemlady!
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

April 19, 2011
8:28 AM

Post #8506289

You are very welcome!!!!
poplarcreek
Baltimore, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 14, 2011
5:52 PM

Post #8630744

One daylily we have that is truly nocturnal is hemerocallis altissima, one of the species daylilies. It opens about 4:00 in the afternoon and closes the next morning. It is fragrant, possibly because it is pollinated by moths, in its natural locale. It gets almost six feet tall and has a trumpet-shaped flower. I need to get a picture but it will not be in bloom for a couple of weeks.
50glee
Huntersville, NC

July 10, 2011
3:51 PM

Post #8684594

Ok I stand corrected.

I am a daylily admirer.

That said, I needed a dictionary to look up the definition of the definition. Hmmmm
I'm waaay over my learning curve . . . lol

I may do better forgetting the name and just enjoying what I've got. ^_^

Thanks loads anyway folks!

This message was edited Jul 10, 2011 8:06 PM

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turektaylor
Elizabeth City, NC
(Zone 8a)

August 14, 2011
7:30 AM

Post #8755569

hi, i know we need to add MANY more color descriptions/choices. i know i've gotten very frustrated when i've entered a new daylily and have had to "settle" on a color, even though it's barely close from the hybridizer's or my own definition.

added color choices, would for sure, chirp my cricket !

thanks for ALL u guys do !!
mary ann
DaylilyOma
Harrod, OH

October 10, 2012
10:12 PM

Post #9302096

turektaylor

I am new here so I am working my way through the "pages" of DG and I must say it is fun and also a good way to learn new information for gardening. Thus far, I think the subscription price is well worth the cost.
I wanted to post to tell you that I got a "kick" out of your saying...
(pasted here from your post)
"added color choices, would for sure, chirp my cricket!"
I had never heard that before and got a kick out of reading it.
Hope you don't mind my saying so. It is all in fun.
Have a great Thursday. Oma

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