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please , can anyone that does birds , supply me with a simple picture of a fighting rooster , with feet and wings extended , in fighting position , left facing . i want to do a glass painting , in the fashion of stained glass for my sister . i can see it in my mind , and have seen it somewhere in the distant past , but can't get the form right without seeing a picture . i've checked out chantel and others . nothing even close . thanks for any help . sally
i sure do appreciate it . my sis collects roosters and i wanted to paint a large vase for her with something different . found just the image i wanted on about 15 , or 16 . a decal on the back of a pickup truck . btw , i'm a sitting board member of an active humane society in la .cock fighting has nothing to do with my picture . hopefully that will ease your mind . thanks again. sally
If you're looking for something unique, there's a form of fighting cock they have in Japan , Onagadori, that I used to raise, twho don't molt and heir tails never stop growing. The birds were so interesting looking, and actually so mild in natural personalities, they became pets living in the home rather than fighting birds. Mine used to live together peacefully with more than one rooster in the flock, living free range. They small and neat, slim, cheerful and really beautiful, as you'll see if you check out the search "long tailed rooster" on google image. Some of these fellows' tails are 10 feet and longer! make a great subject of artwork. Here's a nicwe site...
melis , thank you for the link . i will put it on favorites so that i can access it without having to look it up later . that bird is fantastic and i will draw one up . only need to find a vase tall enough . the picture of the one on the big rock is beautiful . it sounds like they would take a lot of commitment to own one and give it the right environment to keep it safe from damage and blood loss .i've had pet roosters and hens years ago on the farm and know what nice pets they can be . and yes , the hens were the less trouble and the sweetest . the boys grew up and could be a pain , a real pet sex fiend lol and thanks again . maybe you could get a female for a pet again . sally
Commitment? not really. I recieved them as rescues from someone who didn't appreciate them, and I kept them as simple chickens, no special perches or cages or anything They ran around in the grass, ate bugs, made babies, took dirt baths and in return gave me lots of lovely, fertile, petite eggs. I might have made more effort if I'd understood at the time how rare they were, or passed them on to someone who wanted to show them or breed them, but I just liked them for themselves and wanted them to be happy, so I trained them to come to the coop at night and be locked up, but otherwise I just let them be chickens. damaging the blood feathers never seemed to be an issue. Our two cocks got to have tails about 6 feet long or so, but dragging them in the dust, they rarely get longer than that. they were silver phoenix type. Very pretty. And mild. they got along like two brothers (which I think they were) and they were sweet to me too. you could pick them up like parrots and carry them around on your shoulders if you liked.
I might have room for a couple hens here, but the neighbors wouldn't like it if I had a rooster! Oh no!!! Far too close here in town for that.
wow , you can't pick my parrot up like a parrot . he hates me and i hand fed him . he didn't have any feathers when i bought him and i fed him around the clock . he nestled under my neck at night to keep him warm until he got old enough to have feathers .lol now , he likes my dh and i'm the one that usually feeds him . course i'm the one that clips his feathers too !i did have one once that really liked everyone .smart and said about thirty pharses , and at least a hundred words . she would repeat anything you spoke to her . i took her in the 18 wheeler with me and it got too cold up north when we shut down to stay in a truckstop . let my son keep her because his wife was raised with birds . loved that bird . you know if you like chickens , a baby pullet would make a great pet . i travel with my bird but don't think chickens could survive the cats (2) and dogs (4 ). oh well , i'm too old for more pets now . sally
We've had parrots like that. In fact most parrots do pick one person they look upon as a mate (kinda giving their gender away in the process, saving a lot of $$ on sexing) and hating everyone else. Your 'friendly to all' bird was the odd man out. Very unusual. Was it a cockatoo? they're often more friendly to people in general. Our big macaw was 'stuck' on my husband, but when he wasn't around I could do anything with her. But if I'd tried to take her off Don when he was home, she'd have snapped off a couple of my fingers!
I know chickens can make nice pets if given enough attention, but I think with a cat who gets panic attacks if he's not in my presence, it'd be difficult to get as close to a chicken as I'd need to to make her a good pet. Bob just wouldn't understand. This is him when we were bringing in our biggest tank for the goldfish in the kitchen. Right in the middle of things as usual.
I should put a thought bubble over his head that says 'What. I'm a CAT fish!'
my anybody bird was a half moon conyer . i was in an 18 wheeler at the time and had the baby on me all the time . i put oilcloth across the dash and taped it up on the window to keep seed and poo from getting behind the dash. poo always went on tray instead of floor . any way , she was on the dash when not on me or sitting on my dog . we had truck terminals all over and she was exposed to all the drivers in our company and had been handled by lots of people . she was so sweet , everyone loved her . gave kisses to all . never nipped , not one time .i had a cockatoo for a short time . her name was dumplin . i only had her a month when i had to leave her with a cousin . i was going through a divorce and traveling between home and sales territory , about 400 miles , each way . the air went out in my car , so too hot for dumplin . long story short , she bonded with my cousin and he loved her , so i let him have her . they will grow old together , that was 20 years ago .had two yellow napes . my son has one and after 9 years , when we retired , and traveling , it wasn't fair to the bird to have him in the motor home . he was scared every time a car or truck went by .i had a trusted friend that had a bird pet store , and she took him and found a good home ,with a bird savvy family .i do love birds , and have had this conyer 8 years now and can travel with him . he doesn't seem to have any discomfort any where he is . he talks and interacts in the van so , hate me or not , he stays . sally
Wow, that's great. He sounds like the perfect trucker's bird. I've got a cat like that. He blows minds everywhere he goes. That early travel experience and lots of people early on makes all the difference.
Who would hate you? Not me, sounds like everything you did was very ethical...I mean you found good homes for all, and the bird's happy with you, right?
Melis (My blessing, FWIW and whether you wanted it or not )
There are no pure Onagadori known to exist in the US. Only birds of partial heritage that are heterozygous for some of the traits. Efforts are under way to combine the correct genetics and make the breed on American soil and help preserve it from extinction.
True Onagadori have vast amounts of multiple feathering and non-molting saddle feathers. While the long-tails here in the US have the occasional non-molting covert feathers, the saddles typically molt. The standard for Onagadori are saddles 1/3 to 1/2 the length of the coverts, which are to grow at least 32" a yr for a minimum of 4 yrs after the first molt to acquire adult plumage.
Only an estimated 250 birds in the hands of 11 elderly breeders remain in Japan.
The Onagadori itself was never a fighting fowl. Only roosters of a docile nature will produce the best tails. This has been selected for centuries and the disposition is very much ingrained in them. They are believed to have been developed from green jungle fowl hybrids originating in Java. Later they were exported to China. The Chinese developed the birds into the ancestor of the Japanese Shokoku, which was a temple fighter in the era before the Japanese acquired Shamo ancestors from Thailand.
The Onagadori is said to have been developed from the hybrid of Shokoku and Totenko in the Tosa Prefecture, modern day Kochi. Kochi is a warm, subtropical, coastal prefecture. This produced a cold sensitive breed.
When not roosting, these birds roamed rural rice paddies eating crucian and loach (fish). They aren't big grain eaters. Some such as corn, milo, millet, and barley are even toxic to them. At that time they were not yet "Onagadori".
The advancement of the non-molting mutation in the coverts and saddles prompted a requirement for specialized housing to prevent injury if the fowl should entangle and pull the blood-feathers.
True Onagadori take far more care than the commonly confused Phoenix (not the same breed, not even close!) and birds of only partial Onagadori heritage here in the US. - Proper housing, daily supervised walks and exercise, balancing the diet, blending cabbage in to lower hormones, winter heating in cold climates, monitoring the status of blood-feathers, trimming the rapid growing toes nails, spurs, and tip of the upper mandible, daily dropping clean up, etc. It's not at all like keeping common chickens.
The green Jungle fowl genetics that's been found in long-tail fowl makes for some challenging hybrid derived birds. Mess up on the feed and housing and it often proves fatal. This is the most common downfall of eggs and chicks I sell. People who think they know chickens try to raise my fowl of higher Onagadori % (but not quite pure still) like any red jungle fowl derived breed despite my instruction. Then they just can't figure out what went wrong when the birds start kicking over. Have to feed them right and keep them warm.
If you want photos of any long-tails to use as reference, my e-mail is greenthumbs777 at yahoo dot com.
Bye for now,
>i am very , very , very , animal rights , pro . and like you , i'm sure , d - -n proud of it . sally>
I hope not with PETA? They are murderers. Killing 90+% of the animals that they claim to "rescue" each year. The state of VA made their records public.
i love the puter . i'v learned so much the last two years ,since i bought one . you guys have told me things , i would never have even thought of . what a commitment it is to try to preserve a creature threatened by extinction . and to have one , even remotely kin to one, would be one heck of a trip .to have touched on that edge , known or not , would be something to look back on . phewww! i'm overwhelmed .david , i was with a no kill shelter for several years , even sitting on the board for awhile .there were decisions made that i wouldn't go along with, i told them to stick it ,(LITERALLY) . the animals were not the issue so much as they wanted to make other rules as they went along . and no , i dont have any affiliation with any organized group , my thing is strictly one on one , now .three of my four dogs are from rescue and two neutered ferrel tomcats and one a- - h- -e bird .i will look at the peta article a little later this morn . melis , what all do you have now ? in the way of animals , sounds like you are a country person , as well as me .i love them all . sally
The computer will put you in touch with a lot of people. I have missionary friends in Italy, a friend in the British Isles, a friend in Tokyo, plus friends here in the US.
However, my pen pals in Kochi (the family who refined the breed as it's known today) do write me via snail mail... in Japanese. I have to ask for help with that. ;-)
We have a dog from a no-kill shelter that some people operate from their home. She's a terrier and aside from the usual terrier-isms she's great!
I've also had lots of pets over the yrs. Dogs, cats, doves, a rescue homing pigeon that didn't home very well (was in terrible shape when found with parasites that caused a large loss of body mass and a leg band that must have been 2 sizes too small), a cockatiel, parakeets, a couple guinea pigs, domestic mice, a potbelly pig, goats, a pair of Emus, koi, goldfish, an Oscar, and I still have fancy guppies. I probably forgot something. LOL
Thanks for the little impromptu article on the genuine critters, Indiana Gardener, I didn't feel like launching into all those details. Didn't expect anyone would know the difference. Yes, mine weren't the delicate ones, mine were mere medium-fluffy Phoenixes. Beautiful and gentle and lovely birds but far from those beautiful creatures in the pictures. If you look at the pics of the real Onagadori side by side with the phoenixes, you can see there's a noticeable difference. Phoenixes are diminished.
Someone asked what I have now. I was trying hard to get a couple Jersey Giant girls for pets and for eggs, but it didn't work out. And that may be just as well. My health isn't the greatest and I always have to watch that my ambition doesn't outstrip my ability. the animal with no water through unwise aquisition is just as thirsty as the one being deliberately neglected.
I care what happens to animals too. My way of doing my part these days is to make sure the animals within my sphere of influence are well cared for and not abused. I often find homes for individuals that appear in my yard or on my street and have that special urgency about them that says 'I've lost my home or I'm lost. Please help me.' I try to educate people when I can. But my proudest moment was five long decades ago when I marched into a five-and-dime, asked to see and then lectured the 40-some yr old manager on what he wasn't doing for his parakeets and canaries and that their cages were a disgrace and that I was going to be back in town with my mommy a week from that day and if he hadn't corrected the problems I pointed out I was going to turn his name and store over to the local ASPCA. My mom didn't know anything about me doing this until I was in the middle of it and when she realised what i was doing she hid on the other side of the aisle behind me. I'll never get why she was embarrassed. They were the ones failing to take care of their animals. Maybe because it was the 60's and people didn't pay much attention to animals' needs back then.
I think I was about 9...the next week those cages were clean, too. I wish I had the energy I had back then...
Hm. So they weren't fighters, eh? I wonder where I got that tangled up from?
It's only fair. I used to snigger at people who had trouble thinking clearly. Now I am one and I've just got to laugh at me and the stuff that comes out of my mouth sometimes.
Sally, I am a country person at heart, but stuck in the city at the moment, doing the best I can to sculpt this little yeard into a place where you just might be able to forget all the cars and buildings and people you wish were miles away but are right on the other side of the street.
I had a greyhound, but when I got so ill all I was doing was laying around he was starting to get very depressed, so I arranged for him to go live with some women who live in Pa. and have a couple golden retrievers. He's very happy now. I miss him. But the three cats and 5 large aquariums keep me company and entertained, and they're not too hard to care for. The tanks are what's called NPT or natural planted tanks, where the plants do the cleaning for you and you don't have to do things like waterchanges so often. Sometimes you can go a whole 6 months. My three cats, Bob, Dave and Lily came from the local shelter. We have a 4th cat we support outside. She's neutered and about 7 now and has her own little 'cat house' near the back porch. She never wanders far since we feed her in little dribs and drabs all day. She's developed the habit now of staying close, which is probaby why she's managed to be as old as she is.
I couldn't handle real country life now, I don't think, so it's just as well I'm in town now. But I sure do miss it.--m
if the truth was known , goldies and english setters are my favorites of the large dogs . i'm getting too old to keep up with a place in the country . this yard work is killing me , but i just keep on taking on more . sally
Even though no genetic linking has been found to the Shokoku, it could be so far back that the breeds have gone their separate ways with their genotypes. Shokoku were x-fighters a long time ago and have lost that disposition that is natural for those fowl through selective breeding for non-aggressive show birds. Chickens don't have to be taught to be mean, making them act "domestic" is the hard part. Jungle Fowl can be down right nasty.
I have tried to familiarize myself with all sides of chicken keeping as it was down through time. I don't condone the use of knives and such for fighting. That's quite unnatural. But for those birds that simply have to get aggression out, they make boxing gloves for the spurs. LOL As unnatural as the knives I suppose, but at least in the other direction.
In genetic studies the breeds that held genetic kinship were Onagadori, Ohiki and Totenko. The Minohiki and Shokoku were grouped separately.
