Grits are you looking for the glassine envelopes or just the tiny ziplock baggie type? I did see someone past a link last year for the glassine envies and I'm sure you could do an online search and find a few sources. I just use the small baggies that you can find in the craft dept. at Walmart. They are 100 bags for $1.00 and they work beautifully.
Is it OK to recommend a compay for something? That is of course if you have no affiliation with them? For example Grit is looking for envelopes. Is it acceptable to tell him/her that I bought mine at Joe Schmo's House of Envelopes and was very pleased with his product? Or is that considered promoting?
The hair splitting is when someone sings the praises of Billy Bob's Bulb Farm, and gives a link to the place. Or if Billy Bob asks customers to give him great reviews in the GWD. Billy Bob is entitled to ask that folks give him feedback, but he cannot specify what kind of feedback he gets.
We don't police the forums with an iron fist (or mouse), we just ask that you make sure that your post isn't commercial., We all talk about different products from time to time here. The Canning and Freezing forum has discussions on what type of pectin is best. The Pets forum will talk about different grooming aids. The Tomato forum will discuss different brands of fungicide, or even Earthboxes. All of these instances are quite acceptable, as long as the members (and friends) do not have a financial stake in the product.
If you feel that it is not acceptable, chances are, your gut will be right.
I use the coin envelopes alot, they're cheap, and I prefer the paper. They are just a one shot deal when it comes to sealing them.
What is in question, is a good cheap source of the resealable paper ones. These have a gummy lip like the old bank statement envelopes did. (my bank no longer uses this type) You can lift the flap and stick it back down multiple times. For those of us who prefer paper over plastic, there just isn't much that will fit into a typical seed saver budget. I can't afford to send out seeds with this type of envelopes, they'd have to be for my own use.(we're a penny-pinchin' bunch, aren't we?)
I use the manilla coin envelopes from one of the business supply stores. If I don't want to seal the envelope I use a paper clip. If I want to label them I print something out on a standard mailing label. There are also templates here (Dave's Garden) and elsewhere online for fancy packets. If I just want to know what the seed is, well those ball point pens work for me.
This is just a blanket reply to all of the wonderful people that have worked on this with me THANK Y'ALL' the ones from Reimer were very pricey but I ordered anyway but then got a message that they declined my credit card (that little ID number on the back is hard to read..So I was happy about the outcome and will just stick to using plain mailing envelopes and dope dealer baggies..LOL hey I watch Law and Order
These aren't resealable, but I just got 1 3/4 x 2 3/4" glassine envelopes at dianeseeds.com. They were 100 for $5. You can fold them over and use tape to seal, and the tape comes off easily. They also have a link to herbariumsupply.com where you can get 1000 for $33.25.
I've bought "repositionable" spray adhesive, and I think I've seen it in glue stick form also... it makes a reusable seal, not unlike a post-it note. You might try that on the manila coin envelopes for a DIY version of resealable paper packets.
I get my coin envelops at the large office suppy stores cheap like borsh. I picked up the reusable tape as a refill role that I can put in my existing dispenser thingy and it was pretty reasonable too considering the amount of tape I will need for each envelop. I didn't see the glue stick or repositional spray though in the 2 office supply stores I looked in. Maybe in a craft suppy store? Critter where did you find yours? Thanks.
It's been a while, but either Michael's or JoAnn's, so yes, try a craft store. The glue stick form seems to come and go on the shelves, but the adhesive spray should be easy to find (I've used it for stencils, and it's wonderful for that -- no more paint leaking around taped edges, the whole stencil sticks tightly to the surface and is still easy to lift and move to the next section). I think your reusable tape is as good a solution and easier than the spray. With the spray, read the directions -- it's something like, if you want a permanent bond, spray and stick it down right away, but if you want a tacky repositionable bond, spray and wait 2 minutes before adhering.
I wanted to pass along information re: great deal for seed ziplock bags. Better deal I could not find on the Internet and I spent well over 3 to 4 hours checking out all the volume discount pricing. I had wanted the smaller bags because it takes up less space...I did not find any major dealer carrying this size. They also carry other sizes from 1/2" sq. to 2" sq. The best price I found was on eBay, the dealer's contact is: firstname.lastname@example.org ...or...you could copy the following into the search parameters on eBay:
720 MINI ZIP LOCK PLASTIC BAGS RESEALABLE 1 1/4 X 1 1/4
Visit the seller's store once you've entered the above and you will find the other ziplock sizes available. I spent $7.00 for the ziplocks and another $3.00 per item for shipping. From what I've gleamed, the price is the same regardless of the size of the ziplock bag. The delay time between purchasing and receiving the item was less than a week to TX.
Hope this helps someone out there get a better deal!
I use the ones from the WalMart craft department... I think the size is 1 1/2 x 2 inches, and they come 100 to a pack for about a dollar. I like that size because I do label slips on the computer (use an address template on plain paper, cut apart after printing and insert inside clear zip bags), and this size lets me use a readable-sized font for the name & description.
I think the "stamp supply" route is most promising, but every site but one seemed to have large minimum orders, 'small order charge' or high prices.
Then I followed someone's suggestion about Mystic Stamp Compnay and got all excited, had my credit card out and everything. The smallest was larger than I wnated, but I figured I could fold it over the long way.
Then I happened to look at the pictures. The flap is on "the wrong edge". Instead of "long like a sock", it is "wide like an evelope for letters or stamps". Just not what I want.
I remember from the '70s, in a sleazy part of New Haven, a head-shop-and-worse that sold the perfect size glassine envelopes in bulk. Their clientele did not seem primarily to be gardeners, but ...
For now I'll stick with craft paper coin envelopes until dry, and then plastic zip-locks.
I thought that glassine would be less bulky for storage and shipping, more see-through than paper, and less retentive of humidity than paper. I sent 4-5 coin envelopes with Bok Choy seed in a bubble-wrap mailer, and it was pushing 3/4" thick.
http://www.fetpak.com was promising, but online, they want to add $7 for orders unders $100. I'm going to try ordering my mail with a check. They have organza bags and ziplocks, with a special right now on micro-ziplocks, 5/8"x5/8", $4 per 1,000. But they seem not to have glassine.
Corey, this is where I got my glassine envelopes, but I do use several hundred a year, so just bit the bullet to put in the minimum $40 order (without extra fees which range from 3 to 7 dollars for smaller orders). Maybe you could split an order with a few others.
I get organza bags from a vendor on ebay called organzabags. I usually get the small ones for between $2 and $3 for packs of 30, and pay from $0 to $1 for shipping however many lots I get. I recommend getting a small amount of larger sizes as well, but the small ones are good for collecting most seeds.
The "thousands" at $30 or $40 are too much for me unless I do a co-op or become a Merchant, but I may get some of the "hundreds" at $3.50 - $4.50.
The pictures are hard to see, but all seem to have the flaps on the long edge, GE01B and GE01 both.
I see I have to fill out dozens of fields and get a username and password before I can find their actual S&H charges. I see these:
"Partial shipments subject to regular shipping and handling terms."
"Minimum Freight Charge $6.99"
"Amos Advantage" goes on my list, but at 4-5 cents per envelope plus $7 shipping, I'll have to want glassine more than I do now, to fill out pages of customer info and then discover an extra "handling" fee, or that the minimum shipping doesn't cover several bundles of 100.
I will, too. I keep thinking that if I have to buy thousands or make a $100 dollar order, i'll either do without, or form a co-op, or re-sell the excess. (Maybe try to trade them for seeds, bulbs or plants, thoguh I read that "is not done".)
I've looked at the very tall glassine ones for 35 mm film, thinking I could just fold the top over or cut some off, but they aren't cheap.
Really, I want the smallest size made, for small amouns of fine seed and compact storage.
I got an answer from www.postalenvelope.com .
12 - 20 cents per envelope plus shipping.
I don't want them that badly, I think the plastic Zip-locks are closer to a penny each.
"Shipping would be between $8.00 to 15.00 total depending on how many total you order."
1-3/4 x 2-3/4- 200 is $23.56 (these have a flap on the short end, no gum)
2-3/4 x 2-3/4- 200 is $24.48 (these also have an ungummed flap)
3-1/8 x 5-1/2 200-$28.65(these have an ungummed flap on short end)
4-1/8 x 9-1/2 200-$44.10 (ungummed flap on long end)
2-3/4x10-1/2 500 Minimum- $186.00 (ungummed flap on long end)
Shipping would be between $8.00 to 15.00 total depending on how many total you order.
Postal Envelope Co. Inc.
51-02 21 Street
Long Island City, NY 11101
>> Clearbags. It wasn't free shipping. It was 2.something cents before shipping, because I ordered over 1000 envelopes.
Strange. The lowest price I found for glassine envelopes on the Clearbags site was $30 for 20 packs of 50 (1,000). Shipping to WA was $11.50, total cost 4.1 cents each. Did you call them for a special price?
$41.50 is about the same as "Herbarium Supply": $35 plus $5 shipping for 1,000 of the smallest size, 1.75"x2.75".
Isn't it funny that "$35 plus $5 shipping" sounds like a much better deal than "$35 plus $11.50 shipping"?
If anyone would like to add to an order from Clearbags, to get a better discount, let me know. Otherwise I'll probably go with Herbarium Supply. (The Clearbags search tool shows "organza bags" and "wedding favor bags" but I see nothing on the website like that.)
No I didn't call them. I guess it was .03something to start. My shipping was less and I bought 1350 glassine plus 200 cheap ziplocks to bring it to $40 before shipping, so I wouldn't have to pay a small order fee. It came out to .035 per glassine envelope.
I like the 3x5.5" glassine "# 1 Peanut Bags" because I can stuff 20-25 2x3" Ziplocks into one 3x5.5"glassine bag, and they take up less space in my storage tubs. $22 per 1,000 or 2.2 cents each (before S&H).
Hey Rick it had been so long ago I started this thread I had forgotten all of it ,thanks for bringing it back up for my storage I now use old medicine bottles plus my wifes diabetic test strip bottles which are great as they have a flap type lid that is airtight and impossible to lose
Glad that I found this thread. I have always saved seeds for myself, but now I have close friends asking for seeds. I'm trying to decide how I want to put up extra seeds to share with others. I've always wrapped the seeds in foil and placed them in donated unused greeting card envelopes sealed with scotch tape. Then, I place each envelope in a resealable plastic sandwich bag. I store the envelopes on end in shoeboxes so that I can flip through them. I write the info.; such as; variety & year saved; with a black marker on the front of each envelope. Perhaps, what I'm doing now will work for my friends.
>> Then, I place each envelope in a resealable plastic sandwich bag.
Since there is paper inside the plastic Ziplok, it would be a little better to zip them up on the dryest possibloe dayh. paper absorbs moisture, and this will seal that inside the plastic. Those Ziploks do "breath" just a little bit, very slowly, so it might not matter.
I just put dry seeds into a 2x3" Ziplok for trading. You can tape those to index cards to make them stand up and flippable. Or put many 2x3 Ziploks into one paper envelope. (The little Zippies are 1 cent in most WalMart Craft departments.)
If I plan to store them for months, I put the little Ziploks into a plastic tub (with a tight screw-on lid) and add a packet of dessicanrt to the tub.
I use silica gel (it can be regenrated by baking. Some people use very dry rice as a dessicant: like, bake it until a little before it turns brown, then store it tightly sealed.
If you are interested in a very low cost option, you can make them yourself and use a wax stick (NOT glue stick) from Michaels or other art supply store for sealing/resealing. I make my own this way and use archive quality scrapbooking paper. They are pretty and I don't need to worry about acids in the paper harming my precious seeds.
>> I put them in ziplock baggies when I carry them out into the garden to plant.
Good idea. Some source warned me against bring my WHOLE pkt of seeds outside while planting.
"Opps - I dumped them ALL out."
"rain sprinkle: now they're all damp"
"set them on something - now the pkt is muddy:
"handled it with muddy fingers - less eager to put it back inopt the jar with ALL my other seeds"
When I buy a BIG pkt, sometimes I divide it up into many smaller pktsd, around trade-size, or sowing-size. And each pkt always has two labels, each with the full name, planting depth and spacing, so I can even leave on label top mark the row and one in the pkt to label remaining seeds (even if I don;t put the muddy pkt back into the seed bank).
One tidy way to organize 10-20 2"x3" Ziploks is to stuff them all into a 3.5" x 5" Glassine envelope. It keeps them together in one place, so I know how much more of THAT I have, and it squeezes them together so they take up less room.
I put all the envelopes of one variety in a ziploc bag, so sometimes I have 4 envelopes in one ziploc bag. Then, I put a list of the contents inside the bag where I can see it. I also write the number of seeds on the list & year. It's a system that I've developed over many years of gardening that works for me.
Another reason for the ziploc bags is that I've also been caught out in the rain before when planting. Some of the bags are several years old. They're really very durable and seldom need replaced. The tops aren't always zipped all the way when filed in the shoebox because sometimes I'm in a rush.
The one thing that I'm picky about is wrapping the seeds in foil before placing them in a paper envelope, so it's foil, paper, then plastic; all in a cardboard shoebox. I really don't know how well they breathe or don't breathe. lol
My biggest fault, is not always keeping them at the right temp. That I need to work on.
My thought is that foil doesn't really keep out humidity or oxygen: even if you press it together, how tight is the seal? I suppose that rolling and crimping would have an effect.
Unfortunately, humidity can migrate right through polethylene plastic film, just slowly. And the "zipper" is more of a mechanical closure than it is a seal. If you zip a Ziplok with air inside, then re4st a heavy book on it, it will gradually deflate.
But I think the basic fact is that a handfull of many kinds of seeds in an open paper bag in a closet will probably germinate fairly well for 3 to 5 years ... some crops last 10 or 15 years ... as long as you don't live in a rain forest. (I have heard that FLUCTUATING temps and humidity are bad for seeds if you want to keep them a long time.)
My fear is that "short-lived seeds" , which seem to include every flower that I get particularly interested in, are going to fade away in a few years no matter what I do, except possibly for dry-and-freeze.