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Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 12, 2008
7:35 PM

Post #5662719

I have a 3yr old Ensete Mur. ,I thought would flower this season,but it didn't,know I have the dilemma,
of either cut off the leaves and try to overwinter it again,this thing is huge,my guess around 250 lbs,20 ft to the top of it's leaves,I can hardly put my arms around it,to even pick up,if I even can.
Or cut off even with the ground,and divide the corm,into several pieces and try to make new plants,for this variety,doesn't make pups.
My greenhouse is not large enough to keep it growing.
I believe this banana is so close to flowering.
I have another one of these about half the size of this one,that is 2 yrs old.

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Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

October 12, 2008
9:27 PM

Post #5663052

There was someone in Virginia, zone 7, that left a bananna in the ground in front of their house. It was on a slope, so it had good drainage. They'd cut the leaves, and wrap the stub in insulation(I'm guessing, that's what it looked like) having a big blob in the yard, wellllll mulched for ten feet around. It came back year after year.

Good luck!
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 12, 2008
10:29 PM

Post #5663264

I tried that with basjo,with no luck!
It gets cold here but takes longer to warm back here as well.

joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

October 12, 2008
11:38 PM

Post #5663593

I know you are attached to this beauty, if you need help bringing it in or cutting it let me know I can help you this weekend next. Debra
ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)

October 13, 2008
12:19 AM

Post #5663816

If you haven't already, you might check out some of bwilliams threads on the Tropicals forum--he's in KY zone 6 and overwinters things that amaze me, so I bet some of his tips & tricks might be helpful (I think you'd have to cut it down in order for his techniques to work though, basically the way I understand it is he composts in place over top of his garden, and the heat generated by the decomposition is enough to keep his tropicals toasty so it would have the most effect at ground level)
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 13, 2008
4:16 AM

Post #5664749

Thanks I will ,have not decided on just what I will do!

Yes I've read about his composting,I have done the same for many years,but not with the success that he has had.

In fact my planting beds are so organic,I'm having trouble digging up my tropicals,because I can't get soil to stay on the roots,so I have no root balls,when I dig up my plants,the soil just falls right off,even when I water the night before I dig them up.
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

October 13, 2008
12:19 PM

Post #5665360

Move south.
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 13, 2008
2:59 PM

Post #5665879

I live in the south!!!
South of Kansas!!!LOL
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 17, 2008
5:44 PM

Post #5683797

Well It's down on a 8x10 tarp,dug up pushed over on tarp and dragged it over to the driveway,don't think I can pick it up yet,letting water drain from it,so maybe I can later.
14 inches diameter,leaves were couple inches under 10ft long.

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Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 17, 2008
5:45 PM

Post #5683802

another

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Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 17, 2008
5:46 PM

Post #5683806

more

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Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 17, 2008
8:46 PM

Post #5684356

Took all I had and them some!

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joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

October 19, 2008
9:42 PM

Post #5691771

Oh my gosh, Don, You my have to bring her here, and both of us carry her in, if you still want me to foster her during winter.. how tall is she anyways?
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 19, 2008
10:05 PM

Post #5691840

She's about 8ft,about 12 ft shorter than she was,after her haircut!!!

joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

October 20, 2008
1:48 AM

Post #5692751

awww.. well she will grow back next spring prolly 24 feet! :)
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 20, 2008
3:03 AM

Post #5693077

Well I hope she finally flowers too!!!!

chrissy100

chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

October 23, 2008
1:42 AM

Post #5706052

dang it Tm ...still trying to break your back I see ^_^
take it easy mate!
kimarj
(Kim) Philadelphi, PA
(Zone 6a)

October 23, 2008
2:36 AM

Post #5706289

busted ;0)
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 23, 2008
5:44 AM

Post #5706909


Hi Crissy and KIm,
Still have it!!!LOL
Well I will when I can stand straight up again!!!LOL

chrissy100

chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

October 23, 2008
7:48 PM

Post #5708892

Have you just about finished your Winter preparation? I don't know about you but the seasons seem to fly past in a blink these days ...you must feel like you just did all that taking out stuff only a few weeks ago ...now tote it all back in again.Somebody slow the world down will you?
take care ...only one back.
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 23, 2008
11:49 PM

Post #5709676

More than you'll ever know!!!!
I worked so much overtime,didn't have time to enjoy it very much,then there was all the rain,51 inches so far,it really was a rainforest this year!!!
Other than brugs,ever thing is inside!
I really must down size,and I give a ton of plants away,already more than 3 truck loads
so far,and greenhouses are stuffed!

chrissy100

chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

October 24, 2008
8:38 AM

Post #5710808

I reckon you are probably st*ffed too! ...(an Australian expression for recked ...ruined ...finished and such).
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 24, 2008
10:09 AM

Post #5710863

Yes,and it only hurts when I'm a wake!!!LOL
hughconnie
Sparta, MO
(Zone 6b)

October 24, 2008
2:23 PM

Post #5711457

Can i grow dwarf orinoco banana out side. I live east of Joplin mo. Thanks Connie
hughconnie
Sparta, MO
(Zone 6b)

October 24, 2008
2:27 PM

Post #5711467

oops, sorry what size banana do they have? and can u eat it? Thanks Connie
hughconnie
Sparta, MO
(Zone 6b)

October 24, 2008
2:27 PM

Post #5711468

oops, sorry what size banana do they have? and can u eat it? Thanks Connie
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 24, 2008
9:31 PM

Post #5712649

This variety is not edible,but your dwarf is edible.
hughconnie
Sparta, MO
(Zone 6b)

October 24, 2008
11:18 PM

Post #5712951

how big do the bananas get on the dwarf ones?
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 25, 2008
5:12 AM

Post #5713866

Mine were about 4 to 6 inches long,very tasty too!
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

October 25, 2008
12:36 PM

Post #5714338

I just remembered--- A fellow commented that he'd left a bananna plant in a five gallon bucket, and didn't get around to putting it into the ground. He was laughing happily that the plant had bloomed a year early, still in the bucket.

Perhaps, if you haven't finalized what you're doing with your baby monster, build a container on casters, just big enough for some roots, then wheel it outside next summer, don't put it in the ground. Plenty of root room= big plant. Restricted root room= blooms? Maybe?

Stressed plants sometimes bloom, hey?

Just a crazy idea I just had.
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 25, 2008
4:34 PM

Post #5715017

Yes I have done just that,I planted it in a 20 gallon pot,put it on a cart with wheels and hauled her into the greenhouse,of course I had to cut all the leaves off,but they have already begun to put out new leaves,will give her a try,hopefully she'll make it until next spring.
Kalpavriksha
Sarasota, FL

October 25, 2008
7:04 PM

Post #5715354

Too bad you couldn't dig a sunken 'pit' in your greenhouse and grow this 4 ft below ground level.
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 25, 2008
8:38 PM

Post #5715713

Too bad,I live in the city,or I'd done that!!!LOL
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

October 26, 2008
12:08 PM

Post #5717621

I kind of meant permanently, like a huge potted plant!
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2008
2:24 PM

Post #5717971

Yep I know,but these types of bananas are huge,and would take up all the room,I have.
In one greenhouse I have a dwarf cavendish in fruit now,and it got 8ft tall and 6 wide,the ensete,would more than triple that,how I would love to though.

joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2008
2:55 PM

Post #5718029

Your love of Gardening astounds me and impresses me.. I admire you for your effort and hard work, I wish you had more help with your tasks.. your plants adore you, I can tell...;)
Stovall_Gardens
Nahunta, GA

October 26, 2008
3:07 PM

Post #5718069

Tropicman,

Hi, pardon the butting in...I am curious, I have the Yellow Siam I think it is called...anyways, can you propagate by roots? I know someone told me you can...especially with taros...not sure on Bananas. Oh, and if you are running out of room... :) :) :) I have room, a truck and the desire to travel...lol. If I were closer, I would offer room for your babies... but seriously I admire your efforts!! I think we are two of a kind, as I am "roaming" the yard and doing cuttings, and digging things up and so on...to just make sure I can have them next year. I have not decided on the brugs yet...I made so many last year over 100, and they are still sitting in pots in the garden center unsold...maybe I will just keep a few ;0 to many..lol Anybody want some for postage???? NO JOKE!!! Pinks, Yellows, and Whites...trouble is...faded tags. I now use pencil or Industrial Sharpies...

Do you know the lowest they can handle before death? I may just put them under trees, as it is not as cold here. Take care, and for heavens sake, don't hurt your back! Who would take care of your babies then??

Laura
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

October 26, 2008
4:22 PM

Post #5718342

If not for fruit, why do you trouble with the Ensete?
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2008
5:53 PM

Post #5718639

Debra,yes I think they hold on for dear life,knowing just that!!!

Laura,
Aren't you zone 8?
I would think the brugs would return every year,but not bloom until fall,because they need growth and then time to y,before most would bloom.
My love for the tropicals is all I can think about,and it hurts me deeply just to lose one,they are a live just as much as my pets,to me,and I worry so for them,if there not happy!!!
Were expecting a freeze here the next 2 nights in a row,and I'm outside winterizing some palms.
Can anyone tell me how much of a freeze can a lantana take,and a confederate rose?
We might get down to 31* is what there forecasting .

Molamola,the fruit is too seedy to eat,but the shear beauty of this banana is why I grow here,If I can't live where you live,I want it to look like I do,for 6 months out of the year!
If nothing else to drive the neighbors nut!!!!LOL

Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

October 26, 2008
7:20 PM

Post #5718867

I hope you live on a busy street! I'm sure folks gawk. Is it one of the biggest, tallest bananas?

Bananas have bit of a problem growing here, when the wind gets up. hmmm.

I've googled ensete mur and found very little. Your post came up first, dog chasing it's tail.
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2008
9:17 PM

Post #5719291

Yes they get pretty tall,this variety,I believe is from Africa,the congo region,if my memory serves me right,up to and over 20ft tall.
Very windy here as well,I had to plant this behind a trumpet vine growing on a trellis to block the wind.
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

October 27, 2008
12:13 AM

Post #5719965

I'm still curious, why, pray tell, did you choose this banana over others?

joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

October 27, 2008
2:14 AM

Post #5720318

Don: I found this on Google

Light: Sun, part shade.
Moisture: Well drained soil is preferred. Lantana is very drought resistant. .
Hardiness: USDA Zones 8-11. Lantana is happy in both humid and dry heat. This tropical plant is killed back to the ground at 28 F (-2.2 C) but will grow back from the roots when warm weather returns.
Propagation: By seed or cuttings taken in the summertime. Lantana hybrids and named selections are propagated by cuttings.
Also, My lantana came back from winter by the south fence, in my vine pot.. it grew three times as big as last year.. I had it convered up with two feet of leaves and it hasd the hedges on the south side of it for windbreak.. hope this helps.. cut her back, cover her up, she will come back for you I am sure.. Debra
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 27, 2008
5:31 AM

Post #5720763

But I have several bananas,dwarf musa cavendish,Rojo,Zebrina.
Orincco,saba,raja puri,musa basjoo,and siam ruby,and the Ensete,they all have qualities I like.

Debra,thank you,enjoyed all visit today!

joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

October 27, 2008
11:54 PM

Post #5723583

welp... it froze last night.. how did everything fare??
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 28, 2008
1:29 AM

Post #5723991

Everything covered great everything else not so great.
Lantana is fine,some of the brug leaves got burnt,as well as the banana leaves.
How about yours?

joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

October 28, 2008
2:01 AM

Post #5724125

everything burned except zinnias, latanasa, plumbago, baptisma, purple ipoemeba, marigolds, mums, asters, hmmm.. picked a bushel of five kinds of tomatoes tonight and a peck of super cayene peppers.. your vines are happy and even blooming down here in the basement garden, Don..
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

October 28, 2008
4:44 AM

Post #5724768

Keep them happy and they will reward you to no end!
Devota
Johnson City, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 3, 2008
2:34 AM

Post #5852836

Tropicman, I live in east TN where we have several mountain communities that would be zone 6a and guess what grows in many front yards, [not to mention hill sides and backyards,?] Bananas, that is what, and nobody does anything to them to preserve them through the winter. My friend bought a house 2 years ago that had a huge banana plant growing next to the basement door. They never bear fruit, they just keep coming back like the good herbacious plants that they are and get bigger each time. I hope yours will do as well. Devota
Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

December 3, 2008
5:15 AM

Post #5853391

Devota,
I too have Musa Basjoo that comes back after winter,in the spring,but this variety is one that comes from the Congo region from Africa,in the mountains at a high elevation,so they can take some cold,and I have heard they are hardy to somewhat in zone 9.
I have left one in the ground,covered with a bail of straw just to see if it would comeback,but come spring the corm was a ball of mush,and just rotted away.
Since it has been in the greenhouse it has put out 2 leaves,unfortunately,I had to cut them back,for the greenhouse is not tall enough for them to open,and when there touching the top of the greenhouse plastic they tend to become moldy,and I can't afford for something like that to spread to other plants .
Hopefully it will live until April,when I can plant it back in the ground.

joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 13, 2008
3:32 AM

Post #5886719

Don, update on your banana tree I am fostering for you this winter.. new leaf unfurled..

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joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 13, 2008
3:36 AM

Post #5886736

the nursery:

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Tropicman
Bushland, TX
(Zone 6a)

December 13, 2008
5:12 AM

Post #5886941

Seems you have it well lighted down there,and things are growing nicely.
Strong coldfront coming sunday,windy and much colder first of the week.
Things looking good,keep up the good work.pray for a mild winter and a early spring!!

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