Whoo...should have insisted that I cleaned up the kitchen before pictures were taken! PK the pictures took me right back to last February...how nice to see your smiling face on the lanai again! .
Gypsy is just gorgeous, such beautiful markings - and such a typical Dane. You can see that my two are very old because of their grey faces, almost all their markings are gone now. They do love their comfort don't they? The only time my two get off the sofas is to move to the two twin mattresses we have on the floor for them - and yes, you're right Rj, Danes have no idea that they are dogs, they are very goofy - just like Marmaduke!
Thank you all for your nice comments! Acually Pepper, when we moved in it really was the kitchen from H***. Most cabinet doors were missing, draw fronts missing (but that didn't matter because most of them didn't have any bottoms anyway), black tile counter which was only half there, one wall oven (avocado green) that didn't work, and the cook top was fed by a propane gas tank that was fed through a LARGE hole in the wall from the lanai. The kitchen sink had been leaking for years and the wood underneath had rotted so it had a most interesting tilt to it, have you ever had a sink that water would never drain out of completely because of the angle? We also had Harvest Gold formica butted up to the black tile as a eating area. We managed to live with it for about a year before I gutted it down to the bare walls - which I had to have replaced before we could start new. We found interesting collections of mummified mice underneath everything, together with dry rot and termites! As you might guess, we didn't buy the house for it's looks, but it is a nice piece of land! Six years later and I am still working on it!
Oh, I get such a kick of seeing Braveheart park himself on people's lap like that. Maybe I'll get to shake his paw one of these days. All the TZG canine auxilliary are such loves.
And that kitchen... I love the bananas. What would you have cleaned up? I have a saying when we have company. As they enter, I tell them: "We have cleaned up as well as we could. If you see anything that bothers you, we have ample supplies of rags and cleaning products. Just ask.". Nobody ever asked. As the nefarious Martha would say: "It's a good thing".
Take care, all. Aloha and mahalo for sharing your pictures.
Sylvain, a.k.a. Pu'ole.
My goodness! I get on-line to look at pics of some of my favorite Danes (Hamlet eat your heart out!), and I find that we have decided to praise the heck out of one of the sweetest ladies ever. Okay, I will add my admiration to the list. But actually, I think that all of you guys are the greatest. Don't know what I'd be doing sometimes without my DG fix.
Oh what great memories! Hard to believe it's been a year. They say "Time flies when you are having FUN!". So, I guess that's proof we are all having fun! I agree Shari...love the DG fix! Y'all are the greatest!
I had heard that Great Danes were lap dogs in disguise...
I have Dalmatians that like to snuggle as close as they can but they just cannot compete with that wonderful Dane in the photo.
cheers from NZ
Aloha dalfyre, post some pictures of your dalmatians!
My babies aren't going to be with us much longer, they are nine years old - which is vast old age for this breed, and they are getting the stiff back legs and trouble getting up from their beds - I am not sure if the gloucosomine (sp?) is helping or not anymore, but they get it faithfully. Apart from their hind quarters the Vet says that they are in very good condition for dogs their age...we are living on borrowed time now.
Yep, that's what they get - hard to say if it's working on not because they have been on it for the last two years. Thank goodness for Cosco, we get the liquid type which just gets mixed in with their breakfast and supper and they don't mind the taste - a pill would be left in the dish I am sure. You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to pry open a danes mouth to chuck a pill in if they don't want to open up! They are very suspicious of hiding pills in a piece of chicken too, somehow they can eat the chicken and still spit the pill out, so the liquid is great both for them, and for me too!
Apparently, fresh ground ginger is also very good for arthritis. Trust me, with Gail's arthritis, we have tried everything. Hers is so severe that it didn't work. Nothing short of cortisone injections actually has any effect.
I will wish Brave Heart many more years living with you in your paradise environment under your good care.
I had my old girl Chita on glucosomine & chondroiton but found NZ greenshell mussel extract really helped put a spring back in her step.
Right now it is summer & she is feeling frisky enough to jump up onto the deck & couch in a single bound (most days)
Chita is 14 & her son Copper is 10.
Last year I had him at a show & when the judge asked 'how old' I said '9' she asked 'months?'...
he is a goofy boy!
Well, what a pair of cutie-pies with lovely spots! Thanks for the info on the NZ greenshell mussel extract, I haven't see it here but I am sure going to look as it has made such a difference for Chita.
You must take very good care of Chita and Copper to be able to throw a judge as to Copper's age! They are beautiful!
I think luck in choosing good stock...
Chita's dam made 14 too - & was put down after a 'stroke'.
I suspect she had what Chita has just recovered from, Canine Vestibular Syndrome.
It is seen in older dogs mostly & results in dogs losing balance, they walk in circles, lose appetite, have vertigo, head can tilt to one side.
For all the world looks like a stroke.
Given a few days to a week or so they recover.
But many vets have put down dogs mistaking the symptoms for a stroke - which actually is very rare in dogs.
So if you have an older dog that appears to have had a stroke - don't be too quick to have them PTS as it is far more likely to be Canine Vestibular Syndrome.
There is no treatment proven to help other than TLC & time.
If I hadn't taken Chita to a clued up vet she wouldn't be here today.
Seeing her in such a state I had her all but dead & buried.
A month later & she is back to her normal self.
Old , slow & half blind but happy & still able to frolic with her son & jump up & down from the deck - approx 2ft high.
She stands at about 19 or 20 inches so it is quite a leap for her.
Hi all sorry I hadn't been back to this thread before , I just couldn't .
My Gypsy was pts on Dec 3rd.
I used to foster dogs and had her originally as a rescue/foster she was emaciated, had numerous wounds, lacerations all over her body and feet.She had been beaten around the head so had limited vision on one side. Of all the ones I had fostered and adopted out , Gypsy spoke to me like no other she was my heart dog so I adopted her.Even after all the trauma she had been through she was such a gentle, loving soul.She became ill , deterioration was pretty quick :( and luckily ( in one way ) my next door neighbor is a vet. I called him and he came out from his practice
Gypsy was 10 years old and he diagnosed cancer of the spleen and also internal heamoraghing (sp) , extremely elevated heart rate etc. He did say he could operate and try but chances were very, very slim. I said no , I am not going to put her through that, ( surgery, being away from home etc ) she has been through enough.
This last year I went away for two weeks and she wouldn't eat etc.
So I held her and she slipped gently away.
The picture , not very good is on the day I received her
So sorry to hear about your Gypsy. I know the feeling. We lost our Chow, Chelsea, 14 yrs old a few years ago. I think I cried for a solid weekend! I thought I'd never have another pet until we got our cats Dusty, and Rusty. Now they are almost as spoiled as our dogs were!
It is soooo hard to lose a pet! We will keep you in our prayers!
Just happened across this thread while "lurking". Love all the pups! Canines are such wonderful creatures! My DH and I hope to someday have another dog in the family but for now it's just 3 older cats (down from 5 last year.)
I don't know anything about the Great Danes but seeing Braveheartsmom's first photo of her Dane sitting on the sofa ... I just had to post this photo of my sister and BIL's dog. They have 3 large dogs in the family, one being a 3 year old English Mastiff that is on a special diet to gain weight ... he's @ 215 lbs now and the Vet said he was underweight. When he wants to sit down he just walks over to the sofa or chair, backs up and sits. In this picture my sister was sitting there reading the paper and he just sat on her. She had to push him to the side and she scooted over to the corner. He is way too heavy to be a lap dog!
Fleur: So sorry for the loss of your dear "Gypsy". I know how hard it is to lose a loving member of the family. My Mom used to call our backyard our pet cemetery as we have 3 dogs and 6 or 7 cats, as well as a bird buried out there. It's so hard to make the decision to have a loving pet euthanized but you did the right thing for your Gypsy. I have known some who just can't let go and they don't realize their pets are suffering. I think it's always right to do what's best for our pets, rather than us. We want them to hang on as long as possible but sometimes that isn't the best thing for them and it is the humane thing to let them go.
You truly are an inspiration ... there is a special place in Heaven for those who rescue neglected and abused animals. I am one who truly believes we will see our loved ones again some day ... humans and pets alike. This is for you and everyone who is grieving the loss of a dear pet: http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html
edited to say: turn up your volume and get out the hankies. Makes me cry every time I see it, but happy tears!
Pepper: He is cute but HUGE! My sister and her husband have 3 large dogs. Bubba is the largest but they also have a yellow lab that weighs 105 and a black lab/chow mix that is right at 100 lbs (but she is overweight and on a diet to lose a few pounds!) They are very friendly dogs but have NOT been trained! My BIL jokes that "Zach" the yellow lab, flunked out of puppy kindergarten!
We have always been fond of large breed dogs in my family. My DH and I had an Alaskan Malamute and a mixed breed (Lab/German Shepherd) in the past ... but we could never have any dog, large or small that is not trained! The older I get the scarier it gets going to my sisters house with those big dogs. Their dogs are very friendly, but like to jump up on you to try and get attention. Before my Mom passed away she was very frail, and we were so worried that she would get knocked down by one of the dogs and end up with a broken bone. Luckily that never happened but those dogs are like a bunch of three year olds, vying for attention and trying to push each other out of the way to get all the attention.
My dear friends who read this, if you intend to click on the above link, make sure your hankies are at hand. I just clicked and watched without hankies. I am now wearing a white T-shirt with wet sleeves. You have now been warned twice.
It is a wonderful website for all who have lost a dearly loved pet. Whenever we have to have a pet euthanized our Vet sends us a sympathy card for that particular pet, along with a laminated card with the Rainbow Bridge Poem. We've lost many an old guy/gal over the years. We had one cat that almost made it to the ripe old age of 24! We had to have her euthanized 2 months shy of her 24th birthday.
Didn't mean to make anyone sad with posting the link. The first time I saw it, I was very sad but now I find it a joy to click on that link every once in awhile. Reinforces my belief that there is a place in heaven for all of God's creatures!
What beautiful animals ToucanOasis, and you are so right about their heartbreakingly short life span.
Both mine animals are very elderly now (being 9 1/2 years old), and both have back problems which cause them to drag their back feet sometimes. Luckily we have found a vet that comes to the house when needed as it would be almost impossible to load the dogs into the car anymore. We are fast looking at the inevitable although the vet says that given their age they are in good shape.
I have never in my whole life been without a dog (or three!) but I will not be getting more pups when my clowns go - but if I did, it would be Danes again ! If any of you know the cartoon "Marmaduke" - that is just what a Dane is like!
Oh, BHM and everyone who reads this thread, may your babies live a long, healthy and happy life and may they be with you for a good long time to come, before being recalled to that great dog park in the sky.
And when the inevitable comes, may you find solace in the fact that their life was good, they never lacked for anything and you cared deeply about them. I have lost pets before. It is very hard on those who stay behind. Gail and I are the kind that mope around for 3 days when we lose one of our tropical fish (a rare occurence).
Our ball phython is reputed to have a life span of 30 years. She is just about 1 year old now. So I guess she'll outlive us. Who will take care of her then? Let's live in the moment. The rest will follow soon enough.
Yes, live in the moment and for the moment. You cannot alter the past and you have precious little control over the future. Live each and every waking moment to the fullest because tomorrow will come but we may not be part of it.
Five years ago, I was forced to look inwards into a deep, dark, hidden corner of myself. It's a place you will only enter kicking and screaming and only when you are forced into it. It doesn't kill you but you inevitably come back a changed person. I remember the day I went there like it was yesterday, like it was a physical place, like a place I visited in my cruises. I returned a changed man. Every day, I thank Him above for that experience. It was like being reborn. It saved me.
My conclusion: live fully and regret nothing. Je ne regrette rien. I regret nothing. Here's a link Mme Edith Piaf singing what has become an anthem for me. I offer you 2 minutes 24 seconds of pure pleasure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5gpBncR8zI
My daughter in law recently brought home a Neopolitian mastiff puppy. I think it is 4 months old. What a funny looking creature. He is all feet, and legs and is falling all over himself. He has these giant eyes and he has just begun to sag. hahahah She says he at full growth will be 185 pounds!!!!!! Now that is a big pile of poo!!!!!!!!!.
I lost my elderly dog recently. It was a big loss to me. After about 2 weeks of saying to myself and everybody else NO MORE DOGS,I got so lonely i went to the Humane Society, lucked out and found the love of my life, a 7 year old Brussels Griffin mix. What a darling!!!!! He is 13 pounds of cute. A running puffball. He looks like a cross between a Benji and and an Ewok. He took over the house in about 3 days.
Because he is so small i was concerned my 3 cats might beat him up. No chance. He put them in their place very quickly!
The only thing i know about him is his previous owners passed away and he had been a running back yard, flea bag for quite awhile before he ended up in the pound. Whoever had him before me really loved him because he is perfectly trained, except an occasional leg lift on the nearest flower pot. This island (Kaua`i) is so small I keep expecting someone to come up to me and tell me they recognize the little guy and tell me who his previous owners were.
I have never let a dog sleep in my bed. This one can sleep in my bed. This one can do what ever he wants. He has completely won my heart. He has completely won me over about regarding adult dogs. From now on if i am ever faced with having to get another dog it will be an adult.
I am writing this on my laptop, a task I totally despise because I find the keyboard's flatness awkward. A brown-out wreaked havock with my hard drives on my desktop and I lost all my data. Luckily, the data was backed-up every night on my external hard disk. That is how i came to find out that my desktop should NEVER have been conveted to Windows Vista in the first place. I am now the proud owner of an idiot box that can't even connect to the internet. I will be re-installing programs for weeks to come.
QWe are now in the middle of a downpour here but no thunder or lightning. I am sorry I couldn't provide a translation for Rien de Rien. The fates conspired against me there. Anyhow, I'm back and yes Carol (thank you), Rien de rien translates as I regret nothing.
I have now owned my first iMac laptop for two weeks today. You're right about the keyboard but I have the option of purchasing a wireless regular size keyboard. I did get the wireless mouse right away. Can't do without that. Presently on our "remodeled" deck and I love the freedom of having the pc outside.
It would take 25 pictures to begin to show even half of it. The chair with the back to the camera is where I am sitting right now.
Gorgeous pictures. I notice you have what appears to be a thalia dealbata near the waterfall in the pond. I had one of those in Montreal that resisted the frightful winters over there every years, grew to 5 feet as soon as it got warm and bloomed year after year. Ah, memories...
BHM, could you tell me more about the liquid that you put in your dog's food for arthritis? My Lil' Boy is starting to have problems jumping up and no longer likes to go for walks. (He's a Shih Tzu.) The vet has tried 2 different meds, to no avail.
Hap, I give them Glucosamine made by Wellesse. It has 2000 mg glucosamine, 1200 mg chondroitin and 500 mg of msm (whatever that is). They get 2 Tbs per day - one mixed in with each meal. We buy it at Cosco. We also give them 1 baby aspirin a day. The glucosamine has been okayed by the vet who also added the 1 baby aspirin per day. I can't tell you if this really works or not because they have been on it for the past few years and they have never missed a dose, so I am not sure just how stiff they would be without it. I am so sorry to hear Lil' Boy is starting to have problems, perhaps you can give this a try - I am not sure of the dosage for your little guy though... do let us know if it helps.
d_Thom, your new friend sounds wonderful - we need pictures! Many of the dogs we have had in the past have been adult or adult-ish dogs from the pound, and they have always been wonderful, although not as well trained as yours! I am so glad you have found such a nice "new best friend".
Christi, what a lovely lanai! I could sit there all day long, especially as it looks like Mike is preparing to bbq in the picture! I think of you guys often...
Nancy, that dosage is for a great dane. Archie would need much, much less. Jenn, how much does your big guy weigh? Let's say for example that the great dane is 80 lbs and Archie is 8 pounds, you would only give him 1/10 of the dosage. Most dosage is by weight.
Sheldon sent me a recipe for golden raisins soaked in gin for a week and that you eat 9 raisins every morning for arthritis relief. Now, if a person can be helped with 9 raisins, Archie could probably find relief with 2 raisins.
ToucanOasis, you used to know someone called Sylvain that lived in Delray Beach... must have been a good guy but it's not me. All the time I lived in Montreal, I never came across another Sylvain Forest. Now that I am living in Florida, I know of 3 with that unusual name.
I tried the raisin/gin thing. Didn't help the arthritis much but I did care less.
We finally had 1/2 inch rain today. First in weeks, plus a break in the 100+ temps.
The neighbors are shocked that we have essentially joined our yards. It has worked out quite well as we are both avid gardners and now they are sharing the koi pond with us. Somehow we have been very respectful of the others privacy. Sometimes we chatter, sometimes we don't.This is actually the side yards of each home...long narrow spaces. Happens we each have doors opening out to this area. The lion's share of my yard is to the south and east. Covered with plants. Goal is to eliminate all st. augustine grass as it is useless and is a water hog. Wish I had a wide lense camera. Will try another little piece.
Thanks to both Sylvain and Dave. You are probably life savers. Sylvain is close, but with his father's treats, Archie now weighs 15 lbs, which is really not that bad.
Yes, I would like to know how much he would need at 15lbs. I'll give anything a try. I like the ASA thingy. But even 81mg, would that be too much?
I had a nun tell me over 50 years ago when I was in HS, that I should take 1 ASA a day. How did she know? She was surely right on and she was in her late 70s at that time. Smart lady!! Loved her and think of her often.
Oh wow! Here we start with Jen's beautiful Danes and look where we are now. My favorite people. Hi, Randy. Cooled off a little a 1/2 inch rain which really helped the plants. Howsomever, (as my grandmother would say) it is to be short lived. Back to 100+ by the weekend. If I could only get all of you here at one time...heaven it would be.
For those of you that don't know: When I went to Jennies in Feb., 2008, it was necessary to translate my name into Hawaiian. Hence, Kilikina. One a very good day I am PK or Princess Kilikina. I am definitely a missplaced islander...
It was cloudy most of the day, so I crammed some gardening in this morning before work.
I've been working every weekend since June for overtime, which reminds me I need to sign up for this weekend.
I figure as long as it's horrible hot I'll put in some ot and make some extra money.
Stuck??? Not on your life! It would be so wonderful to chat with everyone without having computer/internet problems to deal with! It seems like as soon as one of us gets things all fixed up, someone else goes into pooter purgatory.
130 lbs!!! I just weighed Bogie at the vet tech's office...almost 8 lbs. I can't even imagine an indoor pet at 130! Brave indeed is Braveheartsmom!
hope that Neo pup is getting obedience trained :)
easy to let cute puppies get away with stuff that later isn't going to seem nearly as funny...
they need positive reinforcement from an early age, any dog does but a giant dog with no manners is hard to live with
I swear by Karen Pryor's Clicker Training.
It works wonders & is so much fun for the dog & owner.
My two dalmatians think training time is the best time of the day although the old girl is retired now.
My little old Chita is nearly 15 & she can attest to glucosomine being good for sore joints.
She is getting fish oil too as that is an anti inflammatory.
Can upset tummies in some dogs.
Flax seed is another good one - but my two are allergic to it so it pays to be careful with these herbal remedies & supplements.
My 11 year old 'puppy ' Copper is on the couch with his head resting on his flank, I cannot believe how tightly he can curl himself up.
Very flexible pooch!
I am giving him the supplements to try & keep him that way.
I left it until Chita was showing signs of stiffness & while it has helped I wish I started earlier for her.
Hello, Aloha, Bonjour, Konichi wa, everyone.
After re-reading that first line, I feel like that teutonic trollop in Blazing Saddles. LOL
Shari, I understand your incredulity. Let me reassure you: there is only one lourspolaire (the polar bear) named Sylvain. I remain to this day often imitated, rarely equalled and absolutely never surpassed. Sometimes, when I am proven right about something, I'll tell Gail: "In the Bear...". She is expected to answer "We trust and all others pay cash". Then we laugh. The Cree indians of James Bay (Canada) believe that The Creator realized that all the other animals would be jealous of the polar bear's beauty and witt. That's why He confined them to the Northern polar regions. And since penguins are so clumsy on land and so tasty, He placed them at the South pole to protect them from the Polar Bear's voracious appetite. Those were truly wise decisions, if you ask me.
My father's side of the family always fancied dried fruits and nuts of every kind. I like all foods. In my pre-diabetic life, I had dried fruit almost every day: figs, dates, prunes, raisins, pineapple, papaya, trail mix, etc. We owned this very good little Lhassa Hapso mixed-breed dog that lived to the ripe old age of 16 1/2 years old. As a rule of thumb, what I ate, the dog ate with the notable exception of chocolate. The dog even knew that when I had chocolate, she couldn't have any. Smart little dog, she was.
I tell you all this about dried fruits and nuts because I swear I had no idea that raisins were bad for dogs. Nancy, I am sorry I mentionned that soaked raisin thing. You know I wouldn't hurt Archie. With Gail's arthritis, I leave no stone unturned to try to bring her some sort, any sort of relief. If it entailed dancing the can-can naked on the roof under the full moon, I'd be there and you all know it. I can see it from here: Delray Beach's production of Polar Bear On The Roof. It would stop traffic. As they say in showbiz, it would bring down the house (literally). The roof would probably need a roofer's attention afterwards but I'd do it. The raisins are soaking in the kitchen. I'll let you know how that turns out. The way I see it, it's the gin and she should have a good swig of it at least once a day.
Take care, all.
Edited because I can't make a coherent sentence this morning. Where's that coffee?
Of course not. But that is to be used with the greatest of restraint because it can cause such calamities worldwide. As a matter of fact, thanks for reminding me. My flowery purple thong is still in its secret hiding place in Lauderhill. I will have to retrieve it and hide it in Delray Beach. I shudder at the thought of the condo's new owner finding it by mistake and the devastation it might bring.
lol - I have an image of a polar bear in a purple thong tap dancing on a hot tin roof :)
I work at an RSA - Returned & Services Association, we have a few WWII veterans but more K-Force (Korea) & Vietnam Vets come in to the bar these days.
Anyway many of them swear by prunes in gin.
They need soaking for 6 weeks before eating one a day.
I am guessing it is similar to the raisins - but I suspect a person of mature years might benefit from the daily prune as well as the dose of gin ;)
My grandmother soaked fresh-picked plums in rhum and sugar for 4 months. They were a Holiday dessert item for adults only. The leftover heavy syrup was used to make cookies. Nothing went to waste in our house. She kept the prunes' pits to stuff pillows for our guests so they wouldn't overstay their welcome. She also used peach pits for stuffing pillows but we had way more plums growing in our trees than the amount of peaches we bought at the store. Waste not, want not.
As everyone knows, there are many ways to get rid of guests. Here are a few of mine:
- serve tofu, beans and broccoli a every meal,
- When you pass wind, blame the snake,
- brew weak and tepid coffee,
- use the chipped dishes,
- have the food you cook burn and stick.
- tell them the dishwasher is broken and have them pitch in at the sink,
- play classical music (I love harpsichord and pipe organ music anyway),
- watch recorded Laurence Welk tapes and André Rieux specials you recorded on PBS (HUGH),
- walk around in your underwear,
- scratch even if it doesn't itch,
- turn off the water heater,
- fight with your spouse constantly,
- make sure everyone is up and at it at 6AM,
- challenge them to a scrabble tournament (best 40 out of 79),
- hide the snake somewhere safe and tell them it escaped - enlist everyone in the search,
- etc., etc., etc.,
I could go on for hours.What's your technique for getting rid of sticky guests?
No, Shari. I don't think that makes you weird at all. But you see, Gail and I are used to being just the 2 of us alone in our house. After a while, we long for our quiet life back. Company pleases twice: once when they arrive and once again when they leave. Luckily, we don't have sticky friends and we have never needed to oust any of them away but as you can tell, I have a plan if that ever happened.
Yep, that is true Christi, but we can sponsor anytime we want someone to come visit...and I always loved company at our home stateside too. I guess it comes down to I like company, but I'd rather have it than be it...ya know?
It's a beautiful confirmation of love/friendship = good friends/family who enjoy being with you SO much they come out to you. Magnificent!!! And people like that are bound to be 'close'... Really hard on short visits, eh Shari. So you share your little rock and get to relive it's beauty and uniqueness with them which renews your love for it each time!!! I hear you girlfriend..
We used to live on the small island of Menorca in Spain. It was 2 miles wide and 10 miles long and full of history...but when we lived there there were few flights per week and it was a real hassle, so we knew whenever anyone made that effort to visit us, they were really good people and good friends. (half crazy and bored enough to do it!)
Bob would rather come out of his shop for nutrients when he only MUST...but I do notice he lights up with company!!!
Carol, it is so nice to hear my feelings put into words like that! It is obvious that you completely "grok" my situation...ha, anybody read Heinlein? I loved the concept of "grok" from Stranger in a Strange Land. My goodness! How we have gotten off topic yet again! Jenny dear, maybe we all want to be reincarnated as one of YOUR great danes! Talk about livin loved!!!
You are surprised???? Not I. There is a reason we are friends...ha ha. Do you guys read David Baldacci? That is another guy that makes me THINK. Every story is like a challenge to ones little grey cells...he says, "OK, so that's what you are being told by TV, Newspapers, your government; so question, analyze, think! Now make up your own mind!" I love him. And here I go off topic yet again!!!