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DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

November 20, 2008
11:14 PM

Post #5813608

What is this? Never heard of them. http://daylily.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?cultivarsgnew&1227290272

Here is a link to their website for Michael's Sword. http://rainbowhilldaylilyfarm.com/2005intros/michael.html

This message was edited Nov 21, 2008 9:17 AM
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

November 20, 2008
11:20 PM

Post #5813628

That is very interesting. And I can see in my minds eye a few DL's that would look mighty nice like that.
TroubleX2
Montgomery, TX
(Zone 9a)

November 20, 2008
11:23 PM

Post #5813646

How unique!
HemDigger
Salina, KS

November 20, 2008
11:27 PM

Post #5813655

Is this what is referred to as crested?

HD
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

November 20, 2008
11:27 PM

Post #5813656

I would really like to see the bearding in a different color like eyes are now, HMMMM
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

November 20, 2008
11:30 PM

Post #5813663

Looks like they have a couple others with the bearding on their site

http://rainbowhilldaylilyfarm.com/2005intros/index.html
plpinfleming
Fleming, OH

November 20, 2008
11:32 PM

Post #5813673

That one is pretty neat! I remember seeing photos when they 1st intro'd it. I've heard that referred to as 'cresting'. Jack Carpenter has one (or two) that do something similar...can't remember their names off hand. Bob Faulkner had one in his seedling bed last yr and when I asked him about it...he didn't seem too thrilled...LOL

I was also told by a pretty knowledgable hybridizer that if you do enough long crosses using Lavender Blue Baby - you can get a crested one too???

mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

November 20, 2008
11:33 PM

Post #5813680

Peggy, what do you mean by "long crosses"?
plpinfleming
Fleming, OH

November 20, 2008
11:51 PM

Post #5813749

Paul,
If you were to take your favorite daylily (probably a clump of it) and use nothing but Lavender Blue Baby pollen on the blooms resulting in a multitude of seeds...you would have done a long cross. I think different hybridizers have different ideas as to how many seeds make a 'long cross'...100-200?...probably a matter of preference.
I don't have room for that here and I would just cry if I planted 100 seeds of the same cross and they all looked pretty much the same and none were worth keeping...that would be a major waste of space for me.
Plus - I'm just too curious to see what different pollens will do with different blooms, so I'm happy with 10-15 seeds of each different cross that I do.
Peggy
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

November 20, 2008
11:57 PM

Post #5813773

Ahhh thank you!
DebbyD
Flowery Branch, GA

November 21, 2008
12:05 AM

Post #5813811

I have heard of this as called "feathering". Some tetra have it also. Have one here in the garden, OHIO DISCOVERY.
DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

November 21, 2008
1:18 AM

Post #5814111

DebbyD: Picture please? Pretty please with sugar on top!
TsFlowers
Delphi, IN

November 21, 2008
1:43 AM

Post #5814200

It was so interesting to see this post. I was actually going through looking at a lot of daylilies and found their site and was so surprised to see a hybridizer in my area. I emailed them and asked about Michael's Sword and if it looked like this on every bloom, and they said yes. I do plan to visit their garden this year to see it in person as they are only about 30 minutes from me.
DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

November 21, 2008
1:53 AM

Post #5814238

Please take LOTS of pictures and share.
TsFlowers
Delphi, IN

November 21, 2008
1:59 AM

Post #5814261

I certainly hope to, plus any of their other seedling future hopefuls. It will be interesting. Bad thing is, I know I wouldn't have time to post any photos until mid-November...to busy all the other months.
LaLambchop
Chapin, SC
(Zone 7b)

November 21, 2008
2:17 AM

Post #5814340

I thought cresting was when a daylily doubled along the midrib. Has anyone heard that?

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

November 21, 2008
4:12 AM

Post #5814805

I was looking at Michael's Sword just today. I think it would be cool and definetly something new.
diamndsnjns
Crosby, TX
(Zone 9a)

November 21, 2008
12:54 PM

Post #5815327

I think the one at Jack Carpenter's place is called "Texas Feathered Fancy" When we visited his gardens last year I saw it.
sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

November 21, 2008
1:23 PM

Post #5815382

I believe feathered and bearded are considered the same thing. 'Michael's Sword' and 'Texas Feathered Fancy' are the only two I've heard of, though I'm aware that it's another direction that some hybridizers are working on. I think consistency in the feathering is one of the current problems. But, I'm not certain about that.
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

November 21, 2008
1:37 PM

Post #5815419

There is another one I have heard of, I believe it was the first on the market called Bee's Betty Sue or something like that. Could be wrong about the title. Anyone know which one I am referring too?

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 21, 2008
1:46 PM

Post #5815442

Well, now you guys have done it, but good. I just got a big bonus check from work, and when I saw this daylily I decided I just had to have it. I'm going to be beginning hybridizing in 2009, and I know this will be a great addition to my program. I also want to do a lot of spiders and UFO's as well as get into the stippled ones. Anything unusual I like. What a fantastic daylily Michael's Sword is!

Karen
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

November 21, 2008
1:51 PM

Post #5815453

http://rainbowhilldaylilyfarm.com/new/bee.html Here it is.Found it at Rainbow Hills. Bee's Betty Sue.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 21, 2008
1:52 PM

Post #5815457

Oops! Now the hyperlink at the top of the page doesn't work, as I bought that DL and the auction has ended. You'll have to look at it at their website now, unless they post another auction soon. Sorry about that!

Bee's Betty Sue is one of the parents of Michael's Sword. I don't know if it's the pod parent or pollen parent. Which one is listed first? BBS was the first x Lavender Blue Baby.
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

November 21, 2008
1:53 PM

Post #5815463

That would be the pod parent.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 21, 2008
1:53 PM

Post #5815467

You know, I never spend this much on one daylily. I really must be nuts!

Karen

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 21, 2008
1:53 PM

Post #5815468

Thanks, Hemlady!

Karen
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

November 21, 2008
1:54 PM

Post #5815470

You are welcome!!!!
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

November 21, 2008
1:56 PM

Post #5815474

Yikes, I didn't know that Lavender Blue Baby made crested flowers and I have sold soooo many seeds of LBB crosses.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 21, 2008
1:58 PM

Post #5815479

Well, I don't think the cresting came from LBB, but from BBS, as that was the parent that had cresting. Apparently that's a dominant trait. Good thing for hybridizers.

Karen
DebbyD
Flowery Branch, GA

November 21, 2008
2:57 PM

Post #5815665

Here's a picture of Ohio Discovery.

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DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

November 21, 2008
3:09 PM

Post #5815711

So, does this qualify me as a budding enabler? You might have seen it anyway, but I'll take the credit Karen.
weedyseedy
Warners, NY

November 21, 2008
4:24 PM

Post #5815996

I have a self sown seedling somewhere in my confused and weedy jungle that when it survives shade from my acorn grown oak (now two feet thick) and manages to bloom, has tiny purple feathers that surround the anthers while the flower is pale yellow. I keep meaning to move it, it didn,t bloom at all last year, poor thing, While self sown I suspect itwas another forgotten seed pod from when I was buying potted daylilies in the Spring and pt Little Business pollen on old Orangeman or the lemon lily. If I remember (and get organized) I'll try to get it moved next Spring..Its barely a foot high and early. I,ll probably forget or get busy in some other corner ofthe yard.!
DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

November 21, 2008
4:45 PM

Post #5816085

Shall we try and remind you? If you use MS outlook, put it in your calender.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 22, 2008
1:30 AM

Post #5817670

Ditchlily206, you could say you are a budding enabler at that. Ah, well, it doesn't take much to enable me. I had dreams of getting an Ilex Verticilata (Winterberry Holly) tomorrow at a local nursery, as they were only $29, but now that I've spent so much on the DL I will have to wait on the holly.

DebbieD, that Ohio Discovery is very nice, too. Don't know anything about it. Trying to get info on Google now. What I liked about Michael's Sword is that it was 90-100% bearded (or feathered or crested, take your pick!) and that it passed that trait on to it's kids. Since I want to get serious about hybridizing, then I need to pick out the best quality plants I can find, with the traits I would want in a daylily.

Another DL I want for my hybridizing program is Memorial To Steve. http://www.ashwooddaylilies.com/introductions 2008-09.htm A bit pricey, but it sounds like a very exceptional plant.

Karen

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 22, 2008
4:44 AM

Post #5818266

Oh, I just found out that TET LAVENDER BLUE BABY does have the genetics for the bearding. There is a DL called UNENDING MELODY, and one of its parents was TLBB. Then from UNENDING MELODY came OHIO DISCOVERY, a bearded daylily. Nice to know. I have to learn a lot more about DL genetics.

Karen
EricKnight
Brussels
Belgium

November 22, 2008
8:41 AM

Post #5818502

Is this bearding a quantitative trait or qualitative trait? I'd like to see some tetraploid versions of this bearding. Does it present in the same manner or is it more prominent?
Seedsower
Franklin, WI
(Zone 5a)

November 22, 2008
11:01 AM

Post #5818560

Now THAT's pretty cool!

It's like having the scultped daylilies go to the next extreme!

daylily_ohio
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 23, 2008
2:30 PM

Post #5822208

Curt Hanson has a line of interesting and unique daylilies that go beyond "beards." I have grown the most extreme one for a few years, using it to make seed for him with the cultivars I have. He finally introduced it last year. He calls it "SIGOURNEY" after Sigourney Weaver of the movie "Alien"... LOL... SIGOURNEY takes this bearding or whatever quite a few steps further. It is quite consistent. I think of it as feathering... SIGOURNEY is one of Curt's cultivars that has an extreme pinched throat, and this unusual trait shows down in the throat, not way out on the petals. Although it is not a traditionally beautiful flower, it is the strangest, most captivating thing. I think he may introduce another from this line for 2009.

Here is a close-up. Some of the close-ups I took were morphed together to make Curt's very unique 2008 cover.

Edited to add that SIGOURNEY is a tet, and is pollen fertile, it has set pods, but its difficult.

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daylily_ohio
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 23, 2008
2:31 PM

Post #5822213

And, here is a shot of the full flower.


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sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

November 23, 2008
4:08 PM

Post #5822488

Oh, thank you so MUCH, Jules! I was just wondering this morning (for the umpteenth time) what the WHOLE flower looked like. It is indeed, just the kind of thing I would like to have in my garden. I've taken to referring to him as Curt 'Master of Weird' Hanson. But the only pic I'd ever seen of 'Sigourney' was the one used in the cataloge which doesn't reallt show much.
sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

November 23, 2008
4:10 PM

Post #5822501

It reminds me of: "FEED ME, Seimore!"
daylily_ohio
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 23, 2008
5:05 PM

Post #5822636

Margaret,
my full flower shot would look to some like it does not open - but actually, the petals are very pinched... so that the flower has a very three dimensional appearance. The petals open, but the pinching causes a frontal view to appear like it is not open when compared with "standard" forms. I joked with him that he should cross it with something really short, and call the result "Ankle Biter" ...

I think it would be correctly termed a polychrome - it has some pink tones - so it should cross well with all colors. I am anxious to see what he gets from it in the future. I know I crossed it to everything that was open that Curt did not have. He wants a broad base of seedlings from it to work with. Who knows what forms he can get from this line.

Going to Curt's garden is so much fun. You never know what you will see.

I **think** this is a SIGOURNEY kid. It might be a sib, or another in that line. I don't have it in my notes. But, I am **pretty** sure it is a kid.

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daylily_ohio
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 23, 2008
5:11 PM

Post #5822654

And this is that same seedling, but a different flower, from the side. This clearly shows what I am talking about the pinching, for those who are unfamiliar with it. Look closely and you will see that the petals curl back on themselves so much, that from the side, you can see the top of the petal color, curled back. It is so curled back, you can stick your finger down in there, like a tube.

It is a definite three dimensional flower - these are not flat faces. I just love them. Many go back to Rock Lobster.

For years, I crossed flowers like this to big long petaled things like Bali Watercolor. Since I am physically unable to grow seedlings due to my health and lack of mobility, I give all my seeds to Curt. Some of those should have bloomed this past year, and many should bloom this coming summer. I hope he sees some interesting things. I am hoping that it really shows a three dimensional look... that you have one layer, with the sepals, then maybe 3-4 inches of pinch, then the petals being long enough to raise the petals way above the sepals before they open up. Kind of like fireworks. Who knows? That is what is so much fun about these new forms showing up.

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plpinfleming
Fleming, OH

November 23, 2008
11:24 PM

Post #5823795

Yes, thank you for posting that! Very neat! Some friends and I got to visit Curt this summer. WOW! what a great place! Of course we picked a day that storms and downpours were moving through at a pretty good pace. It had rained at least once before we got there and not more than 20 min after we arrived, we had to head to the pump house for a nice thunder storm.
Amazingly, there were still daylily blooms left that had held their ground thru all the rain. We saw several with pinched petals. Hope to be able to get back there next yr...on a sunny day!
Lotsalilys
Maple Heights, OH

November 24, 2008
12:08 PM

Post #5825316

Yes Peggy we will do it on a rainless day. Here is the one that really amazes me.

I forgot you can't post photos in the body of a post here.



This message was edited Nov 24, 2008 7:10 AM
Lotsalilys
Maple Heights, OH

November 24, 2008
12:11 PM

Post #5825322

Here!

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Lotsalilys
Maple Heights, OH

November 24, 2008
12:11 PM

Post #5825323

and here

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nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 24, 2008
2:00 PM

Post #5825592

Jules, that's a fantastic flower. Really does bring to mind the alien creature in 'Alien'. That movie was one of the best sci-fi horror movies ever. Truly a classic.

Don't know yet if I want to incorporate that into my breeding program. I do want to primarily work towards the more unusual types. Anything that's different I like.

Karen
sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

November 24, 2008
2:43 PM

Post #5825757

LOL!!! Well, geez, Karen, you can't get much different than 'Sigourney'.
sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

November 24, 2008
2:45 PM

Post #5825764

Lotsalilys: What is the name of the one you posted this AM?
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

November 24, 2008
4:08 PM

Post #5826059

Anyone have a good pic of SIGOURNEY???
sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

November 24, 2008
4:34 PM

Post #5826163

Yeah, Paul: See Daylily_Ohio's post above dated 11/23/08 @ 8:31 AM.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 24, 2008
4:35 PM

Post #5826169

Isn't Jules' pic of SIGOURNEY a good one?

Sybiltwo, you're right, you can't get much more unusual than SIGOURNEY.

Karen
sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

November 24, 2008
4:41 PM

Post #5826185

Here is a side view of my 'Rock Lobster' this year. Severe pinch, but no bearding.

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sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

November 24, 2008
4:42 PM

Post #5826188

...and top view:

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mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

November 24, 2008
4:50 PM

Post #5826214

OPPS! sorry I read the post wrong. Nice :)

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 24, 2008
5:00 PM

Post #5826247

Oooo! I like that ROCK LOBSTER. Very nice!

Karen
Lotsalilys
Maple Heights, OH

November 24, 2008
8:02 PM

Post #5826908

That is a seedling at Curts
vintage_flowers
Lafayette, IN

December 5, 2008
2:36 AM

Post #5860068

How's this for a bearded wonder?

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TroubleX2
Montgomery, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 5, 2008
2:39 AM

Post #5860076

vintage_flowers
Love that color and the beard!
vintage_flowers
Lafayette, IN

December 5, 2008
2:43 AM

Post #5860083

Here's another seedling showing off with a pair of 'bearded buds' illustrating consecutive 3-way bearding on all three petals. Both seedlings as noted bloom with 100% 3-way bearding!!! What will be our next milestone in the daylily world?

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nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 5, 2008
2:43 AM

Post #5860084

Very nice!

Karen
TroubleX2
Montgomery, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 5, 2008
2:52 AM

Post #5860108

Outstanding! We can only dream as to what is to come.
vintage_flowers
Lafayette, IN

December 5, 2008
3:00 AM

Post #5860127

I believe these two 'puppies' hold a lot of promise for making more incredible bearded daylilies for those who like the unusual ones! Years ago, some said it couldn't be done...

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TroubleX2
Montgomery, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 5, 2008
3:02 AM

Post #5860139

Lucious drool!
sybiltwo
Excelsior, MN
(Zone 4a)

December 5, 2008
10:37 AM

Post #5860700

W-W-W-W-WOW!
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

December 5, 2008
1:54 PM

Post #5860964

OH!! MY!!!!
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

December 5, 2008
2:11 PM

Post #5861007

Very nice!!!!!!!

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

December 5, 2008
2:29 PM

Post #5861070

OH MY GOODNESS!!!
Buckeyesnblooms
Shelbyville, KY
(Zone 6a)

December 5, 2008
2:35 PM

Post #5861097

Vintage, those are truely stunning!
vintage_flowers
Lafayette, IN

December 5, 2008
2:51 PM

Post #5861142

Found another pic of the 1st seedling for your viewing pleasure! :)

If you look closer using your imagination, it's looks like there's three angels with wings (the beards) singing in the middle of the flower - like a heaven sent trio!

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vintage_flowers
Lafayette, IN

December 5, 2008
3:01 PM

Post #5861188

And yet another day of bloom showing aggressive 3-way bearding...

- just thought to contribute a few bearded ones as per the generated post. May give a bit more insight to what is going on in some "behind the scenes" areas of the daylily world. Very few people have seen these daylily pics as far as I know.

Enjoy and have a Merry Christmas! :)

- vintage_flowers

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maureenpm00
Lindenhurst, NY

December 6, 2008
12:46 AM

Post #5862929

What an intersting thread, from beginning to now. Love all these pics everyone has posted.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2008
11:18 PM

Post #5865786

Great pics, Vintage, and thanks for sharing!

Karen
LaLambchop
Chapin, SC
(Zone 7b)

December 7, 2008
2:15 PM

Post #5867300

Vintage, you really have something there. We see so many that look the same. Those would stand out in a crowd.

Leslie
DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

December 7, 2008
3:16 PM

Post #5867489

Those are definitely unusual.
vintage_flowers
Lafayette, IN

December 8, 2008
2:21 PM

Post #5870280

Thanks, Karen, Leslie & all!

I believe the bearding trait will be the next new frontier to explore in daylilies. It's anybody's guess where bearding genetics will take us from here? I have a new 'bearding' hypothesis of my own I'd like to see unfold in the next few years.

:)

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DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

December 27, 2008
11:47 AM

Post #5932153

For those who are interested in sculpted lilies, there is one one the LA right now: TEXAS FEATHERED FANCY DIP (20-5.25-MRe-DOR) LAVENDER BLUE BABY X Unknown. They are calling it "feathered".

http://daylily.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?cultivarsgnew&1230932152

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2008
4:55 PM

Post #5932830

Oh! Beautiful!

Karen
maureenpm00
Lindenhurst, NY

December 28, 2008
3:52 PM

Post #5935840

it sure is a pretty color too.
DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

December 28, 2008
4:10 PM

Post #5935885

The seller actually has two listings of this beauty. Mosbyone is going for the first. Any one else care to go for the second?

http://daylily.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?cultivarsgnew&1230932161
plpinfleming
Fleming, OH

December 28, 2008
4:45 PM

Post #5935959

Very, very tempting!!! Go Paul!! :-)
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

December 28, 2008
5:21 PM

Post #5936075

"Nobody else needs this daylily. I only need it for breeding. nobody else bid!" He say's in his most hypnotic voice! LOL
plpinfleming
Fleming, OH

December 28, 2008
5:59 PM

Post #5936190

I would love to have it...but I'm trying hard to stay focused!
I'm rootin' for ya Paul! You'll give us first dibs on seed sales ...right?!
DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

December 28, 2008
6:05 PM

Post #5936205

Paul, that's why I wanted to mention that there was a second one available. I'm tempted myself, but I'm already all over the place and don't need to go in another direction as well.

(That little evil voice in the back of my head whispers, "You know, you don't have to buy it for hybridization. You can get it JUST because it is pretty!")
mosbyone
Fredericksburg, VA

December 28, 2008
8:17 PM

Post #5936557

I am just kidding, if I dont get it there will be another one down the road. And IF I do get it the seeds will be available...I hope!
DitchLily206
Madison, AL
(Zone 7b)

December 28, 2008
8:37 PM

Post #5936629

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