Ok, its January, I am ravaged with cabin fever. I am grabbing my snow suit, mittens, cutters, a hammer and a five gallon bucket and going out in the polar tundra and pruning some forsythia branches...nuts you say.. yeah, nuts to be going outside!!
When I am through I am gonna beat the ends of those branches to near a pulp, bundle them up in the bucket, fill it with water and stick them in a closet for ten days. If they do not have blooms by then...no telling what I'm gonna do!
Rigth now I already have aussie willows in a bucket and well, they are rooting.. and sporting little teeny tiny blooms and well... I am excited they wil be turning into trees for me later on.
Well, due to the cold I chickened out on some my wanting to bring the whole garden in the house so it is only several of the following twigs for some what of a change of menu in bucket number 2. While it does have forsythias, it also has apple, lilac, snowball, flowering almond and a few hibiscus. I woudl do other flowering trees or shrubs, but I am afraid these are all I have in my garden so my access is limited.
Hope someone out there is trying to force some goodies too!
Well, I have done it several different ways , both in the dark and out.
While I have not kept any records on this, it does seem that if you keep them in the dark, they bloom a tad faster, but not by much. They want to reach for the light! Just like potatoes growing in the pantry!! LOL!
The forced blooms need the light to get their richer natural color, but it just seems that in the dark they pop better. The dark trics them into thinking its time to grow...I generally move them out on or around the 10th day, depending on how fast they start. Every season is different. Deepends on how early spring is coming on too. This year our spring should be here (hoping) by March.. other years its a month or two later.
If you crush the ends, they bloom a tad faster too, but if you do not crush the ends, they still bloom and some will take root especially the willow species - pussy willows, the aussies, all willows and sometimes the forsythias will root, but I have not had great luck with those.
I have had a huge request for willows this year so I will be doing them literally by the barrel outside and in day light as time goes on to the season. Might even fill the horsetrough to get quanities... The ice storm we had this winter has pushed us to where we have to do some serious pruning on the willows and well, no sense wasting good cuttings on the clean up! But those, I am forcing for trees as I have a request for a long fencerow.
You need to watch your supply of water if any have rooted because the water will drop below the root line on the cuttings and you want to keep them going with ample fluid!
Now mind you, when the twiglets are forced, you are not going to get the wonderous ample foliage as when they bloom on the vine so to speak and the blossums will often be some what miniatured!
But lovely all the same and some do force better than others!
We used to do the forcings for garden club for the early season flower show arrangements, especially the forsythia and lilacs, the forsythia get a fair size, but the lilacs come small.
Enjoy experimenting! Some do get messy losing bud sheaths when they start popping so you may want to spread paper under the buckets or prepare to pull the vac out!
Here in this pic of my aussies...you can see by the pale color of these new leaves they are already suffering for light.. so it is time to get them out of the closet to get them to color up!
Now later when I go to plant these new trees to be, they will suffer die back on the blooms and leaves.. not to worry mate, there...these trees once planted will re-grow new growth and grow the wood at an amazing high speed. This has to be one of the most amazing trees I know. (Mind you too, these are similiar to the patented AUSTRAILLIAN WILLOWS, but mine are not trademarked and they bloom, the other patented one does not bloom flowers. Mine is a hybrid of that specie though, but not sure how related!
Here is bucket #2, my a little of this and that group!
Now on my forsythias...a few weeks ago in the garden they were sporting nice healthy buds. I should have cut them then and before the ice storm hit so their buds are hurt by that ice and I almost do not expect them to perform for cutting, but time will tell.
The rest of the cuttings were not bite so hard by the ice because they naturally sport their bloomers later, so they should do ok, but again, we shall see as there are no gaurantees!
Today, the first bucket of aussies get kicked out of the dark. Ya know, I once had a farmer trade me some calves for these trees!! (*g* hint hint!! LOL! of course I made him a good number of them for his lovely heifers and we were both very satisfied... that was the year I told my hubby I was gonna get some calves some how and some way, if I had to pull them out of the trees to do it...hmmmm open mouth... and what happenes...the cows came home!!) I got my moos, and he got a nice fencerow! No beefs there!
Thanks for all the hints and tips Blossom!
My SIL has some willows, maybe I should phone her up and ask her to get snippin'!
Took a pic of some Forsythias here in my garden, but haven't cut them or beat them yet!!
Look!!!!!! Blue sky and a bit of sunshine today! makes a change from all the dull days we've had recently.
Hey terri, looks like you guys are near on the same weather calender as us. Do you also get snow there?
If the SIL has the weeping willows, those are awesome for florals as I am sure you well know! They are messy just like my tall willows though. In a couple weeks my aussies will be leaving me a pile of shreads in the house from their blossoms to clean up.
I have sun today.. am praying my hydrant did not bust a pipe under ground here...hope too, that nasty old man winter takes a hike already!
Take note of the quality of your buds that you are forcing so you can compare next time or with others here if they too decide to try this!
Blossombuddy - boy, you have lots of experience with forcing blooms. I am afraid I have no closet space for any forcing LoL. Too jam pack with "junk".
Terri - I wish my forsythia was as big as yours. Mines grow soooo slowly. I went to take a look at it several days ago, and in poking around, I lifted one of the bent over branches, and look what I found. The branch looks like it has rooted where it touched soil.
Wow soils, that's a great root start! I have taken the green shoot cuttings of the forsythias and just shortly after they burst out in the spring. I take tip 3" cuttings and dip them in rooting hormone and than put them in plant trays keeping them moist and in the greenhouse and have had some luck that way...I had only one year where my forsythia wood cuts started roots in the bucket, but these cuttings today are just to get them to flower...
I imagine you could take your forsythias and bend them down and try rooting them either on the ground or even bent to a pot using a "hairpin" (well maybe a flat would work best! I have seen it done that way too! Some people will take moss and wrap a branch and root them that way, but I don't know the full secret on doing them (or any woody) thus and never tried.
I will do tip cuttings of spirea and boxwood as well.
Are those your D-dddaylilies! (I am a hemero-haullic!) I am sooOOoo jealous!! Just humour me and tell me it is not so! It will prevent the head rush I get when I see daylilies I do not have!
They are really verrry pretty cattails rrrrright!?!?! ;^} LOL!!
Ima thinking soils, perhaps you might want to trim that cutey up to get her more upright and give her a better tall shape? Then her young energy would be better spent on the root and the new growth to come? Just a thought! She does have a hefty root for starts now! :^)
LOL!! soils, I am speechless! I can never get amaryllus' to last more than a bloomin' season in a pot in the house in the winter!! But they sure are beautiful! I don't think they like my zone for my winter! I am positive I could kill it! Not willingly of course!!
Aaaah! Will have to try that the next time I get some! I love having them in the house though and blooming for Christmas. I always seem to sucker out and go buy one or two. Just to enjoy the blooms and I end up tossing the bulbs. I will try to keep them...but what I have done was just let them go dormant in their pots... those beautiful huge storebought bulbs would always shrink up on me and often got mushy so I stopped wasting my time and woudl chuck them.
So ok, now next time I do them, how would one get them on schedule to sprout for me at Christmas?...I would imagine if I pop them in the fridge, that might help, but when and how long... and then what is suggested for fertilizer on the pot bounds? I suppose to, when in the fridge, unpot them...
I also enjoy doing ziva (paperwhites and other springbulbs for that time of year) but those I generally will leave in the garden and dig up in fall and just bring them in. That seems to be ok with them. But no, the amarylus are picky with me! I can gaurantee a kill on them sadly.
Do you have a pic of yours in bloom?? They have to be gorgeous in such a nice big patch! Drooling for a glimpse!!
sadly, BB, the frost got mine a couple years back...
I think that if your bulbs went mushy, they were getting too much water? I know they take an enormous amount while in bloom (that stalk holds an amazing amount of water) but once the blooms start to fade, I stopped watering mine... until the soil was completely dry, down a couple inches.
If I were to get saved dormant bulbs going again, I'd be tempted to take a hint from stores that have the bare bulbs on sale, Once they appear in the stores, pull yours out of storage, and get 'em growing!
That reminds me, everything is on sale now, may be able to pick up a 'past it's prime' amaryllis bulb to coddle for a bit...
Running to store.. going to look for bargain... LOL!
Actually they got mushy as they were drying out. I quit watering them after the bloom like you said...and then left them to stand in the pot until I thought they were dry and they were no good. Should I have maybe taken them out of the pot after bloom? Greens and all? I think what I did was let it die back in the pot and just stored it in the pot and all and then when I checked it thats when I discovered it was mushy.. can't remember how long after the die back...I am thinking back. maybe I should have took it out of the pot shortly after die back to store. Then popped it in the fridge, but don't know how long to get it going to pop blooms for Christmas... Need to find the professional schedule on that one I think!
Well, here is the update on the aussie bucket and do they ever smell gooood! The flowers of these cuttings are infertile so there is no growing these by seed! The trademarked AUSTREE which this is very similiar to does not bloom.
Looks like my snowball bush will be next to pop, but they are slow so it will be a few more days before anything is worth showing on them.
I forced some forsythia branches in early January and they were so lovely I went back for more. But that was after our temps dropped to -7 F, so I'm worried that this last batch won't bloom. It's been a few weeks (a friend said they can take up to 6 weeks), and while I've had two pretty blooms, I'm mostly seeing leaves pop out, which I didn't have with the other cuttings. You think they'll eventually bloom?
I'd also like to root some forsythia but I'm not sure of the best season or method. If these cuttings look like they're trying to root, I'll stick 'em in some dirt and see what happens. But should I take more cuttings specifically for rooting (now or in a different season?), use some rooting hormone, and put them in some sort of growing medium? Can you just dig up a chunk of the bush and roots and divide them out that way? Sounds faster, if it will work.
The best luck I have had with rooting forsythia is to do tip cuttings and put the cuttings in rooting hormone and potting soil.
The bucket method is great for forcing them to bloom, or in your case leaf out. If you are leafing, I would say the -7 degrees may have triggered them not to bloom. Did you put the bucket in the dark when you started? That usually fools them to thinking it is a change of season...but you need to do that for about 10days to 2 weeks then bring them to the light. If you take them too close to spring, then they are sometimes beyond blooming if you have suffered a cold snap and teh cold sets them back again. But maybe they will bloom, just wait and see. If all else fails when the temps get warm for outside, just leave them in the bucket and forget about them other than to keep the bucket full for several weeks and see what happens, Cant hurt! Worse you can have is a bunch of dead cuttings! LOL
Rooting most woodies does not work in the bucket. However it does work well for species that like its feet wet, case in point willows...
Check the roots on these puppies! These are the willow cuttings I started this thread with!
Um, when you try to start your new forsythias for rooting, take about a 3 inch tip cut. You can use a flat cell tray to do a bunch in and keep the potting medium damp. It helps to do them in a greenhouse so you can over the top water them too. Least as this is what works for me!
I have only had one year where I started cuttings like this in the bucket where I was forcing blooms. For some reason I left the bucket outside and well, they started getting root nubs so then I planted them in pots and kept them soggy until fall and planted them then. Maybe someone else has a way that works for them.
I do spirea and boxwood the same way. I am going to try some flowering almonds this year.. never tried them that way, but wahat the heck!
I didn't know about the darkness thing until I read your thread - so no to that. Oh well. Temps are climbing and before long the whole bush will be in bloom. It's a big unruly thing (I like!) somewhere around 20+ feet long.
Funny thing is that I gave the cuttings to a handful of friends. Most of whom are wondering why I gave them these dead sticks. :o) I'll be disappointed if they don't prove me right and burst into yellow bloom. But I guess that's up to the forsythia, not me.
Happy gardening - or whatever it is we're doing. It won't be long before we're seeing seedlings pop up! (I keep looking at the backs of my seed packets, as if I might have missed the sentence that says, "Start indoors, 3 months before your last frost date." hee hee.)
No, but there is one heck of a daylily farm in Morocco! And yes, you should stop, because she has more than just 2500 varieties of daylilies!! LOL! I get out that way almost once a year. Usually try to go about June... Peak bloomers then! (and everyone thought I was crazy with having some 500 kinds in my collection!! LOL! NOT!)
Been a while since we have been down to Indy. I am not in the Hoosier state I am one west! ANything good in that part of the woods? Besides fast traffic?
Well, nothing new in my buckets today infact I am disappointed on the forsythias...they are dropping buds so I might not have much more in forced flowers. Maybe my others will still surprize me.
I am laughing my self silly!! that statement on the packets.. start indoors 3 weeks or what ever Before the last frost date...like we all really know don't we!! LOL LOL LOL! Dang I lose more seedlings that way!
A daylily farm? Sounds gorgeous! If you have a link to the details, please share. Maybe I'll make a trip up there.
Yeah, we have a little more than just fast traffic. But probably not much different than what you have in Illinois. Coupla sports teams and stadiums that I don't pay much attention to. Lots of corn. You know, the usual midwest stuff. :o)
Yeah, well least your speedy cars arent running around with bumperstickers that say, Illinois, where the Governors PRESS THE LICENSE PLATES! (I am sooo ashamed of them all pride has been lost!) Beam me up Scottie, I wanna move to a place where morals still mean something and the weather is more pleasant. Too bad the dang ecomomy is stuck at the pump.
I wish the Daylily Farm had a link cuz I would be happy to put that here, so check yer D-mail I will send her phone as soon as I find it! If you know where Rt 24 is at Kentland, at 41 North, go north on 41 from 24 to Morrocco and make a right, its about 4 to 5 country miles or so on the Morrocco road heading east. You cannot miss it, just go until you see her blooming fields! There is a sign that says DAYLILY FARM on the right hand side of the road... but your best to call for an appointment and as for Lynda.
I usually go, take a friend and each of us try to buy different plants and then trade a couple fans amongst ourselves so we all get a pile of variety! The DL's are field grown and not in pots so they dig them the day you buy them.. and fair prices too!!!!
Well, yes, I beleive snowball is also called viburnum. Um, this thread is for forcing wood cuttings to bloom. Sometimes they will root in the bucket, but it is not often.
For propagating, I suggest taking tip cuttings of your parent viburnum or what ever you are trying to start that are about three inches long once they are leafing and then dip those cuttings into root hormone and poke them into a flat of potting medium. Keep moist, but do not over water and hopefully they will root.
Later when I start propagating my soft woods I will start a thread ok!
In the meantime, hope that helps.
Here is the appleblossom I forced.. it is not showing bloom yet, just leaves.
All the cuttings here on this thread are still in the bucket as per the beginning!
Forcing them to bloom, basically for flower arranging for early spring.
Donna, you are so welcome. I will put a link to propagating the woodies in here as soon as I start some.. It will be awhile.. right now, just messing with forced bloomers! I need to gather materials for that!
Indy_v, don't know anything on magnolias, but if you get some started let me know as I always wanted a couple!
The other things that I don't think will show up in the photos yet are cuttings of silver lace vine, blue willow shrub, and that stupid pink flowered bush that I keep forgetting the name of. The spring flowers are sweet smelling...dang it...it's on the tip of my tongue.
As usual, my mind is gone.
Oh well, I'm really excited to see the buds on these little guys LOL!
LOL!! If your like me, its not allzhiemers.. at our age we just got too much upstairs and something always has to fall out! I think they call it the Kelly Bundy syndrone!! LOL! (or some also refer to it as "dumb blonds"!)
Well I cant help you on the "stupid pink flower!!" I am in a quandry right now trying to think of that fellas name that captured crocadiles or gators in Australlia.. His wife was Terry, they got a daughter.. Bindy, but Lordy if I can remember that mans name right now.. I remember he got killed by a stingray.. they had a dog named SUEY, sheesh..what the heck was that Crocadile mans name?? The man always wore shorts...was curator of the Austraillian zoo.. gads the things I can remember.. but not his name! I can hear his voice saying, by crocky! or another sayign of his was aww the little blighter.. or your a naughty...
Well tell ya what you think on mine and I will think on yours! Its driving me nuts!!
Ummm hows crab apple, or flowering almond or magnolia? Ummm
His name is Steve Irwin - not that I remembered, but my daughter was summing up our trip to the east coast in 2006 in an email recently to my brother, and she mentioned that we found out that he died from that stingray bite while we were having dinner in Atlantic City.
Plant - sorry I am not able to help you on that stupid pink flower. My daphne is blooming though. It smells wonderful
Well I am sorry I was off on such a tangent thats what happens when you catch me in old geezer mode!! LOL! Just she happened to catch me and the hubby here in a off line conversation about trying to remember the name of that nice feller and and well we got off and my fingers just ran my moth here! And well that "stupid pink flower" just dun and did it!! LOL!
So ok, what is that stupid pink thing.. no no its not pink.. its PANK!
Oh oooh...Here we go again!! PANK! Its PANK I tell you! Its a PANK FLOWER.. there ya go! Ya jist got ta gits the spellering right! That plant file thing here on Daves will bite ya if ye dont!
So ok, process of limination.. Its a shrub or tree rrrright, otherwise you would not be putting it in a bucket here to force the stooopid thing to bloom! But it aint this un mate!
Last weekend, in a moment of desperation for something spring, I cut three small branches off the purple lilac that's growing outside my kitchen window. The stems have in water in a vase on the windowsill, and all the buds are plumping up.
This morning I see chubby green buds, and just a hint of purple.
Why Terry!! Youuuu dirty rat!! LOL! Who siad You could have spring before me!! LOL Glad you got it.. Spring is here, but we are just not tooo terribly sure winter is over. We are still having temps drop below freezing both day and night.. My daffs however are sneaking up!