What did you plant on your stump finally? I thought the blue BB was beautiful. Perhaps if you fill the BB with blue Lobelia and red Geranium, just for spring, repeating the blue...
Longboat Key is not in the "Keys", it is an island west of Sarasota. I Live here.
We must have had some frost because all the SeaGrape planted on the ave. are brown.But annuals along the ave. are ok. Go figure. Must be the windchill. I think FlyBoyFL should cover his inasmuch as it looks young and not too big.
Just came in from the Avenue, very windy, very cold. I did cover my Myer Lemon because it set some fruit.because it is in a pot the covering is easy.
Yeah, not every key fits. People do this all the time. We have siesta Key,Bird Key, Lido Key, St Armands Key with St Armands circle (great shopping) and Longboat Key, all west side of Sarasota. Hope all is well for tonite.
Thank goodness for your photo. Do you really get multiple fruit on each blossom cluster? How old is the tree. My branches seem much too fragile. Are you near the water? Your being north of us calms me a little. What variety is it?
Longboat Key is lucky. The warmth radiating from the waters tempers our weather. But it is cooling down right now.
My Myer lemon is against our home and on the southwest side. It is in full bloom. Some of the buds are already set. It looks like a good year for it. I had one fruit last year.
Brad - I didn't WANT it to recover. After allergic reactions to the fruit some years ago (resulting in never ever touching the fruit), this winter I had a violent reaction to the pollen - so it was time the mango tree and I parted ways.
Someone just came and collected all the wood this evening.
I'm sorry if this offends anyone but in my case it was 'Good Riddance'
Hetty, Mango is a relative of Poison Ivy. It contains a chemical that is similar to urushiol.
Flyboy, The photo of the mango tree above is not my tree. Most of the mangos around here will have more than one fruit if you have bees in your area. I am guessing that being away from the mainland, on an island, you are not going to have many bees. If you have no bees you are dependent on other insects (or the wind?)
Next time the Serenoa repens or Saw Palmetto are in bloom around your area check out what insects are visiting the flowers. Those are the insects that will pollinate your Mangos. If you don't have many 'visitors' to those flowers then you aren't going to get good fruit set on your trees. It can vary widely from island to island.
Now I understand, I missed that point about your allergies. It must have been pretty old. Did you plant it? If it really is a relative of Poison Ivy, I pity the man who is going to use it in his fireplace.
If that is a photo of what you have growing nearby, I have a Key Lime right adjacent -- and it gets a heavy dose of bees and other flying visitors. And there are also Myer lemon and Navel orange and Pink grapefruit and Sweet kumquat on my lot. So, here's hoping.
I also have an avocado that I started from seed -- but it's just one year old (and seven feet high), but I doubt I'll be around to taste its fruit.
I did not plant the mango; I suspect it was planted around the time the house was built, 1972. It had a severe pruning two years ago, and still was enormous. We have had 400-500 fruit on that tree in good years, and this year looked like it was going to be a bumper crop. I wasn't going to wait around for those. For one thing they fall and break my plumeria :-o and used to break the roof tiles until we had it replaced. Those mangoes are huge (Keitt).
I won't miss the tree. There are so many people with mango trees in this area, I know we will have mangoes to eat in July.
I was aware of the relationship with Poinson Ivy. I didn't realize the toxins would be released when burning the wood...
if it is anything like poisen ivy, then yes, the smoke from burning the wood will make you break out with alergies/rashes. I had poisen ivy oil in a blouse, it hung in the closet for 2 years, not realizing that it was still in the cloth (even after washing it), I got the rash back.
Also had several rashes from the fireplace by burning oak that must have had some oils on the wood. I' be very careful. Helene
I hope that you are joking. Right now we are having weather much colder than normal.
But as for melting ice from the arctic ice cap affecting our earth, consider this:
Take a bowl of water and float a big chunk of ice in it. Make sure that the water is filled to the brim. Allow the ice to melt and watch what happens to the level of water in the bowl, and note whether any water spills over the rim.
Your photo of the browning buds and flowers is normal. You won't know for a couple of weeks if those trusses have set fruit, be patient. If you don't see little green pea size fruits in the next few weeks then you will know that they didn't get fertilized.
The second photo of the newly developing flowers in normal also.
I have a mango in my front yard and it does the same thing. I think the trees are smart enough to restrain itself and not flower all at once.
I don't see anything in your photos that is out of the ordinary.
The flowers on the end of a branch should produce about 3 fruit (average). Many of those little green pea sized fruit will fall off.
Also it depends on the amount of rain we get. If the weather stays dry the fruit will be small or the tree may drop some more of them.
For the largest fruit wait until they get up to half the size of an egg (or a little smaller) and then thin them by cutting off all but the 2 largest on a branch. Or just leave one per branch. Fewer numbers of fruit equals a bigger fruit.
In my not so humble opinion that tree can only support 5-8 mangos.
If it is in your budget I would give the tree a layer of 'Black Cow' about 3-4 inches deep and some chunky bark on top of that for best results. Leave about 6 inches clear around the base (where the tree and ground meet).
If I tried to eat a green one I would be in the hospital. I am highly allergy to member of the poison ivy family. I can only eat them when they are very ripe. Even then I have to be careful and not eat to many.
I am highly allergic to Poison Ivy (Toxicodendren), but, not to the other members of that family. Mangoes are OK, but, I think they develop a turpentine taste when fully ripe - I like them a little green.
I never eat more than one.
I love peaches, I have 4 trees and could eat many everyday.
To all mango lovers: The International Mango Festival at Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden is the second weekend in July. Lots of mango tasting, interesting workshops, trees for sale, great food. For more details see: http://www.fairchildgarden.org
It is worth the drive! For the best selection attend on Saturday.
Fairchild's 17th Annual International Mango Festival, July 11-12, 2009
Celebrate the Mangos of Fairchild
You can buy hand selected mango trees and fruit, enjoy mango lectures and smoothies, view the world's largest display of mangos, take part in the world's only mango auction and buy mango merchandise and botanical art. There will also be mango culinary demonstrations, a fantastic International Fruit Market, fun activities for kids and much, much more.
Mangos will ripen off the tree. Of course, they need to be mature, but if a little unripe, they will ripen if kept at room temperature. We pick some of our mangos before fully ripe for our events and they do continue to ripen.
Thanks that sounds like its worth the ride I tried one that was named pineapple banana it was the best I have ever tasted I would buy that one for sure very large sweet smooth and no strings! I was lucky enouh to to bring home half doz. planted all the seeds have small trees on there way was told 50/50 chance of getting one like the parent
I am thrilled to report I have good tasting mangos, I started from a seed about 10-11 years ago. I've picked few mangos couple of years ago, I thought it taste kinda funny but this year it's good. I have no idea what variety but it's green mango, I think fertilizing helped with the larger size and the taste. I am going to fertilize better next year now that I know it taste good. I think maybe 15 mangos on it.
Rene, that's awful. Last year a guy came with a truck, trying to get the mangos from my neighbor's front yard. My DH asked him what he was doing, he said the owner said it was ok to pick the mangos. My DH told him I don't think so but I'll call the police, the man took off then.
This is my mango tree in a container, it needs to be put into a larger pot but I don't want to attempt that until there's either no flowers or fruit on the tree. Last year it flowered twice like this and I had no fruit, I'm worried that this year will be the same. Am I supposed to be doing something to make the fruit form? I tried putting the tree next to the citrus trees in full sun since that's where the pollinators have been busy lately, I've noticed wasps and some little flying insects landing on the mango flowers but I don't see any fruit forming. Could I have a dud tree, maybe a male tree that only produces flowers and no fruit? I have another mango tree in a pot also but it's just starting to push out flowers where as this one seems to be at it's peak, should I put them next to eachother?
Sorry for not having much knowledge but then that's why I joined Dave's since I have such great people to help guide me.
I have insects coming around. Some are wasps. Some look like house-flies. The weirdest look like Japanese beetles -- but with markings. These last ones don't seem to move. They hang on for a long time.
lol i was wondering when you would say something about it lol :) How did your banana weather the cold mine are just starting to show green. My lychee is just puting new growth on lost a few leaves to the cold but all in all it came thru pretty good.
My mangos are starting to drop -- they are delicious. They smell like perfume. Heavy and sweet. It's a Carrie. I huess that I am lucky that I have so few this year -- just seven. Four in one clump and three stragglers.
If you've never had fresh mangos in vanilla ice cream, you are missing something.
flyboyFL wrote:But as for melting ice from the arctic ice cap affecting our earth, consider this:
Take a bowl of water and float a big chunk of ice in it. Make sure that the water is filled to the brim. Allow the ice to melt and watch what happens to the level of water in the bowl, and note whether any water spills over the rim.
Trust me, it won't.
So much for flooding.
I realize I'm jumping in here late.
You are spot on about the ice that floats on the oceans of the world. It won't change the water level as it melts.
That takes care of the arctic, where the ice floats on top of ocean water.
However, most of the ice isn't floating on water. It's also melting in the Antarctic, and in Greenland, and any of hundreds of glaciers all over the world. That ice currently sits on solid ground, and will definitely change sea levels as it melts. Which it is doing, according to most measurements. Ocean levels are actually going up faster than expected.
Here's an interactive map with projected sea level rise: http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/florida.shtml. At 3 meters, most of the Keys are gone, along with large tracts of SW Florida. At 4 meters, Amelia Island is miles from the mainland, the entire A1A strip from Ormand to Canaveral Seashore is a series of tiny islands, and Tampa is partially submerged. The entire coast is vulnerable to storm surge. At 9 meters, Lake Okeechobee is a bay facing the Gulf. At 30 meters, South Florida (below Gainesville) would pretty much cease to exist except for a large island centered on Winter Haven, Tallahassee would be a beach, Panama City a memory.
That said, I think the climatologists are still guessing about some of the effects, and I'm still planting fruit trees in Gainesville...but I'm not selling my North Georgia property. ;o)
I would rather be talking with Al Gore. He is the mis-informed who has been shouting, "Fire" in this theater of ours. But he manages to avoid live confrontations on this subject.
Thank you for affirming what I wrote a couple of years ago.
With respect to the effect we humans have on Global warming -- or Global Cooling -- uggghhh. Like it or not, we are passengers on this globe of ours. I like to think that maybe the proponents of Gaia -- who are trying to convince us that Mother Earth is actually a living thing -- have more credibility than have the current Chicken Littles.
I do not know how mature you are, but I remember well the warnings of "Global Cooling" back in the seventies. Those agitators were s convinced that we needed long underwear rather than boats. They, rightly, failed to blame it on man's actions. They relied on a few, remote, thermometers.
This world of ours is an object whirling through space. Like it or not, it is the sun which gives us life. Theoretically it is burning itself out -- and subsequently getting hotter and hotter. It is like being passengers on the Titanic and thinking that we could miss the iceberg by running to the other side of the deck.
Me, I have just renewed my Flood policy and have no plans of moving upland. (You can't catch fish from there.) In the eons of time, even before life has existed on this planet, the seas have risen and fallen -- and the glaciers have come and gone -- without any assistance from man's actions -- or inactions.
So, I will not get too excited about my ability to contribute to -- or delay these happenings.
Um, that's an open question. But I've been in this current incarnation 62 years so far. ;o)
flyboyFL wrote:I remember well the warnings of "Global Cooling" back in the seventies. Those agitators were s convinced that we needed long underwear rather than boats. They, rightly, failed to blame it on man's actions. They relied on a few, remote, thermometers.
I remember those warnings as well. I don't remember people getting quite as upset at the prospect - interesting because historically at least the success of our collective civilizations has been positively correlated with global temperature. In any case, our techniques for remote sensing have grown rather more sophisticated. You just have to pick through the interpretations of the people who are after all constantly fighting for funding to support their research, and who hence tend to sometimes exaggerate the significance of their findings. (As witness the unending stream of "scientists" seeking funding for studies of the gazillions of animal species that are being affected - as they have ALWAYS been affected - by the weather). The folks who oppose the idea of global climate change seem to overlook one important point: the global environment has ALWAYS been changing. Constantly. Just usually not so fast that anyone would notice (especially without precise measurements and the mathematical and number-crunching capacity to track and detect patterns). According to the people who study such things, we have been living in the past 50-100 years in a period of unusually mild and uniform weather.
I still get a chuckle out of Algore's blatantly self-serving rants on Global Warming. Especially the one where the chart he is using to indicate the correlation between atmospheric CO2 and average global temperature actually shows the temperature change LEADING the CO2 concentration. That should naturally come as no surprise to anyone who knows that huge amount of CO2 are dissolved in the world's oceans and who understands that the solubility of gasses in water DECREASES as the temperature rises. And of course, as any REAL scientist understands, correlation does NOT imply causation. That little truth has obviously not penetrated the murky depths of political consciousness.
The signal-to-noise ratio in the popular media is downright horrible. The ability of "reporters" to unblinkingly equate the terms "Man-made Global Warming" with "Climate Change" and then blindly swallow the assertions of the politically-motivated that ALL earth changes are somehow related to our activities is enough to make me wish I had a BS filter on the TV. Fortunately there are still a few real news sources that dare to point out that evidence now indicates most major extinct cultures and civilizations - including some we are only just beginning to uncover - disappeared as a direct result of climate changes that had nothing whatsoever to do with human activity. We hominids have always tended to cluster in areas where food was plentiful or easy to produce. Bodies of water have traditionally been the source of relatively "free" high-quality protein and calories. Most of the resulting coastal societies of the distant past have left few if any signs of their existence and subsequent passing because of large fluctuations in sea levels recorded in the surrounding rock and soil. Evidence of agricultural or hunter-gatherer societies are buried deep under the desert sands that cover what were once vast jungles and fertile plains crisscrossed by huge river valleys. Some of those are steadily being revealed by modern technology in the form of satellite-based ground penetrating radar and already verified by on-site digs that are mostly still in preliminary stages. And of course a lot more data have come to light because of the hard work of people excavating deep into the layers of exposed rock, ocean sediments, and ice sheets to reveal how the earth changes over time - some changes gradual, and others quite sudden. In some cases the sudden changes have been linked to volcanic activity or the presence of debris indication meteor impact; in other cases we still just don't know.
The measured levels of the seas is changing, and most recent indications are that the changes are occurring more quickly than previously predicted. We do know now that at least some large areas of Greenland's "permanent" ice cover is melting from underneath, leaving wide channels that are not yet apparent as changes on the surface. Meltwater from the surface is making it's way down through cracks in the ice and heating the mass from underneath. There is also strong evidence in the form of earthquake patterns that volcanoes deeply buried under the ice have begun to awaken and feed the melting trend. Around the world, photographic evidence and personal accounts indicate glaciers in quick retreat - snowfall is simply not adding enough new ice to make up for the melting, and the temperature of the ice is increasing towards 0C so that even minor further increases can accelerate the process. This is simply data - it does not depend on any belief in causes.
flyboyFL wrote:This world of ours is an object whirling through space. Like it or not, it is the sun which gives us life. Theoretically it is burning itself out -- and subsequently getting hotter and hotter. It is like being passengers on the Titanic and thinking that we could miss the iceberg by running to the other side of the deck.
I do understand the sun is aging - but I think the most reliable evidence points to that happening over periods best measured in tens or hundreds of thousands of years. It's certainly been widely accepted that drastic events on earth have already corresponded to fluctuations in the sun's energy output (the Maunder Minimum being perhaps the best documented of these, ironically enough), but on a larger scale I doubt our generation has to be concerned much about the sun's aging. Still, the list of things we don't know about the sun - the causes and patterns of gravitational changes, for instance, on which "short-term" fluctuations appear to depend - seems to always outpace our knowledge.
flyboyFL wrote:So, I will not get too excited about my ability to contribute to -- or delay these happenings.
I also don't think there is much we can do at this point to change what I see as primarily natural cycles or cosmic accidents. We live in interesting times, and we should, I think, be grateful for the fact that we have the means to gather and collate data from the world around us in ways previously undreamt of. Personally, I try to use that data to help me decide where to locate, what sort of shelter to live in, even what species and varieties I choose for my permaculture. (See - I knew we'd get back on topic eventually ;o).
Boy -- that is a lot to digest in one sitting -- but I will try.
You are still just a kid. My son was born one year earlier than you. You can check on my annular rings aproximately by this: I adopted my nom de web frm my WWII experience of battling around the ETO for thirty-five missions in B-17G's with the 8th Air Force. So, I claim seniority.
When we started this conversation I feared that you and I would be at loggerheads with respect to puny man's guilt in what is happening to the environment. It is hard to understand this thrust to have us co-exist with the "conservationists" by roasting in the summer and freezing in the winter. And as far as the accusation that we are wasting and depleting the world's resources with our selfish ways -- well.
You may remember that famous bet between Julian Simon and Paul Ehrlich back in 1980. Simon believed in the horn of plenty -- Ehrlich was the Pied Piper of overpopulation and imminent disaster. The bet was on the resultantant prices after ten years -- with respect to a theoretical basket of commodities. Well, Simon won -- and set the naysayers and doomsday predicters back on their heels.
Google it if you are interested.
Things are changing -- as they always have. But, have faith in man and his opposing thumbs. (Women, too!) I like to think about the one-time shortage of computer memory. My first real computer had a bakelite cylinder for its memory. (Like what Thomas Edison used) It had sixty four (64) tracks and sixty four sectors. Riding above these tracks were readers which picked the data off of them -- or wrote on them. It was a monster device which required a sealed air-conditioned room for its home. (The cylinder, new, cost about one thousand dollars.) I just received a 4gig memory module free with a portable scanner. It is less than 1/2 inch square -- and must cost almost nothing. So, there went the shortage of storage space for manufactured commodities. My new telephone has 100K more capacity and speed and fits in my pocket.
So, react slowly. As Scarlett O'Hara said to Rhett -- "Tomorrow is another day."
Our problem lies in the fact that we, of my generation, were too busy with staking out a place in this wonderful land of ours, that we neglected what was being taught our children. But, as I hope, the pendulum will turn, and we will hope that the dream of my generation for.leaving our progeny with a better world will come to fruition.
Keep the heat truned on -- use fossil fuel if needed. Take with a grain of salt the thought that tomorrow will will chain the sun and the winds to serve us. These who think an electric vehicle will be the panacea, have to consider what has to happen in order to produce a charge out of a plug in the wall.
I admire your bushy mango "tree". I am pondering on where to plant a mango tree here in my Port St. Lucie house backyard. All the conventional (published) wisdom has seemed to say plant about 20 feet or more from the house and prune to keep it from getting too tall to harvest. I would want to be able to put a sheet over a mango tree in cold snaps, maybe with a 100W light bulb burning too. That your bushy tree has had fruit is a real eye opener to me. I will keep watching your tales of tropical fruit excellence!
ps You can be sure that I will transport my rooted Green Greek fig sprig with me to plant beside my concrete patio.