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Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
February 09, 2009
02:03 PM Post #6115416
| I've this lovely viburnum for several years. The tree/shrub resented transplanting, and skipped flowers production for a year. This year it's making a come back. Please I.D.
These were flowers that bloomed in years past once established. The buds first appear pinkish then open up to reveal a lovely white flower(s) in clusters.
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Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
February 09, 2009
02:06 PM Post #6115429
| Another pix of the flowers. 
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redchic01
southern willamette , OR
(Zone 7a)
February 09, 2009
02:52 PM Post #6115608
| the first one that came to mind for me is viburnum x carlcephalum http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2463/
But, there are a couple others that look similar to that one as well. Your plant is fragrant right? |
redchic01
southern willamette , OR
(Zone 7a)
February 09, 2009
03:00 PM Post #6115649
| or maybe Viburnum carlesii
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1480/ |
Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
February 09, 2009
03:14 PM Post #6115705
| It has been awhile since I saw the flowers, so I can't even remember that they have a fragrant. However, I believe mine meets the description on the Vib. x cephalum hybrid over that of carlesii. Right now the plant is still in dormant state, maybe when spring arrives I've a better chance of confirming this cultivar or specie. Thanks redchic01 for your contribution.
editted for typos.
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redchic01
southern willamette , OR
(Zone 7a)
February 09, 2009
06:00 PM Post #6116388
| Sorry that I couldn't be more definitive. But, if it is one of those, it's well worth it to stop and smell it often!! |
ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)
February 09, 2009
08:55 PM Post #6117178
| Show us a picture of the whole plant. Another quite commonly available fragrant spring blooming viburnum that looks like your plant is...
Viburnum x juddii
This has a different characteristic form than Viburnum x carlcephalum. A view of the entire shrub might reveal this difference.
These are both great plants. Then again, you can't hardly go wrong with any viburnum... |
Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
February 09, 2009
09:10 PM Post #6117271
| Quoting: Then again, you can't hardly go wrong with any viburnum ... I agreed whole heartedly. That's why I'm adding Tea viburnum to my garden this year. lol.
V.V. Some how, the Viburnum x carlcephalum seems to ring a distant bell to my fading memory. (no pun intended). Has V. x carlcephalum also known as "Burkwoodii" viburnum in some plant authority circles? |
redchic01
southern willamette , OR
(Zone 7a)
February 09, 2009
09:21 PM Post #6117342
| Most of my memory is distant! lol.
Are you asking if V. Carlcephalum is also known as V.Burkwoodii?
Not that I've heard of. But, I'm not all that well versed on all Viburnums either. |
Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
February 09, 2009
09:39 PM Post #6117426
| Yes, that's my question. Is the plant V. x carlcephalum also known as "Burkwoodii" viburnum.
RC, I bet you V.V. is just the person to help me with the above question.  |
ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)
February 09, 2009
11:20 PM Post #6118009
| Now you are just tickling me behind the ears...
But to the question at hand: all the viburnums mentioned so far here are different hybrids from different parents.
Viburnum x carlcephalum derives from Viburnum carlesii x Viburnum macrocephalum f. keteleeri, and doesn't have a real good common name. I've seen it variously as Carlcephalum viburnum or Fragrant viburnum, neither of which separates it from others.
Viburnum x burkwoodii derives from Viburnum utile x Viburnum carlesii, and is generally known as Burkwood viburnum. There are several named varieties of Viburnum x burkwoodii; 'Mohawk' is a very nice one. You would also never confuse Burkwood viburnum with Carlcephalum viburnum, if you were to see them together.
Viburnum x juddii derives from Viburnum carlesii x Viburnum bitchiuense, and is generally known as Judd viburnum. It has foliage and flowers that harkens after Carlcephalum viburnum, but is a much denser compact plant.
Congrats on the Viburnum setigerum! That should give you a nice fall fruit display as it matures.
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plantfreak78
Rolesville, NC
(Zone 7b)
February 10, 2009
12:49 PM Post #6119979
| Gee, how did I know you'd show up for this one :) |
Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)
February 10, 2009
01:17 PM Post #6120121
| Quoting:Viburnum x carlcephalum derives from Viburnum carlesii x Viburnum macrocephalum f. keteleeri, and doesn't have a real good common name
Charles'-head Viburnum?
;-)
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redchic01
southern willamette , OR
(Zone 7a)
February 10, 2009
10:51 PM Post #6122276
| haha. |
Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
February 10, 2009
11:02 PM Post #6122328
| LOL, Resin. I'm so very pleased that everyone gathered here to help me with this plant's I.D. I'll post more pics. as spring comes around the corner to have the plant's I.D. confirmed, and verified.
Thanks V.V. for the compliment on my acquisition of the V. setigerum. It's said that this one can tolerate some shade, I'll provide some shade for it, unless you've other suggestion?
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lortay
Navan
Ireland
February 11, 2009
07:56 AM Post #6123154
| What is the obsession with common names, Viburnum or otherwise?
It seems to be an American obsession rather than in Europe (although I find it creeping in here as well). Some of the common names given are just silly and obviously for the sake of it. Stick with the latin, then we all know what we are talking about. ( O.K. Rant over, I,ve taken the pills and it will wear off soon) |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
February 11, 2009
09:22 AM Post #6123364
| G'Day, Gee I think the comments re common names is a bit rough. It seems to me that what was used are cultivar names and the Xs are crosses. The comment re latin names does not hold up because of the continuing changing of the botanical names. I think there is just as much confusion if not more with the botanical names as there is with common names and although common names vary from region to region at least with in the region they are constant for generation after generation. Even the botanist don't always know what is being referred to because the name they know has been replaced with another which might be a new name or reversion to an old name because an earlier change is deemed to be wrong.
Now you had better share those pills to calm me down.
Regards Brian |
Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
February 11, 2009
09:35 AM Post #6123404
| Love your sense of humor Brian. My next question is for those who has grown Tea viburnum, what's your recommendation as far as location? I've a spot that I planted a persimmon tree, but perhaps the tree didn't receive enough sun? Last year it didn't yield but a few fruits. So I think, I'll find a sunnier spot for the fruit tree -- then plant my newly bought Tea viburnum in its place. Comments? |
ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)
February 11, 2009
03:27 PM Post #6124888
| I'll first answer a question you didn't ask...
Lily_love:
You planted a persimmon. Do you have other persimmons, or are there others growing relatively nearby?
Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana is the native) is a dioecious species, where male and female flowers typically occur on separate plants (though a plant can occasionally have some of each). It might not be a sun exposure factor - your plant may just not be getting decent pollination.
Your tea viburnum will flower and fruit the most in a position that allows for the most sun. It will also benefit (as do most/all viburnums) with another tea viburnum (not the same clone) to cross-pollinate with. That doesn't mean it won't do OK where you are speaking of...but I'm not there to adjudicate. More sun = more potential for heavier flowering = more potential for heavy fruit display (with adequate cross-pollination opportunity).
lortay:
You should start an independent thread on the subject of plants and names. You are denying too many others (that won't see your comments here) of a chance to offer their opinion on the subject. Wait till you mention spelling and capitalization! Duck and cover...
No pills for me. Make it a glass of Vitis vinifera fruit fermentations, thank you very much. |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
February 11, 2009
08:12 PM Post #6126025
| Re the plant names, I started a thread over in the Cactus & Succulent Forum but it died after an initial burst. If you think it worth while I could restart it in its own thread in this forum. Perhaps others would like to comment on this.
Regards Brian |
ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)
February 11, 2009
08:23 PM Post #6126072
| Stake:
Not this forum, which is supposed to be for identification questions.
Trees and Shrubs is a good place to start a tirade; usually plenty of folks that will join the fracas. |
Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
February 11, 2009
11:17 PM Post #6126813
| I'll mark this thread a solved until the early spring where I can return with more pictures to confirm the plant's identity. Pardon my mispell on the tittle of the thread, and whatever that entices unneccessary debate.
Thanks all for your help as well as your "voicing of your feeling". Whatever happens, I still love Viburnam, I mean Viburnum . Good day!
Gardener from the SE, who so loved viburnum.
Kim |
Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
March 22, 2009
07:01 PM Post #6305165
| Happy Spring!!! Here the mentioned viburnum is getting ready to put on a show. Did we mention fragrance? Ooooh yes!!! It's out of this world! Thanks in advance for helping me I.D. so I'll have a name to it on my garden journal.
Kim
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Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
March 22, 2009
07:03 PM Post #6305175
| A little closer view of the tree. 
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Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
March 22, 2009
07:08 PM Post #6305200
| The cluster of flowers about to open up. At this stage, the fragrance can already be detected! This beauty deserves a name. 
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Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
March 22, 2009
07:13 PM Post #6305221
| A few first unfurled flowers: 
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ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)
March 22, 2009
09:50 PM Post #6305979
| Lily_love:
Everything you've just illustrated (incredibly vigorous and long new stems; bigger leaves; and pretty large flowers with fragrance) leads me to believe that you indeed have Viburnum x carlcephalum gracing your property.
Enjoy!
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Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
March 22, 2009
09:55 PM Post #6306013
| Viburnum x carlcephalum it is!!! Thank you ViburnumValley from Ky. |
Vacoastgal
Virginia Beach, VA
October 18, 2009
02:06 PM Post #7182731
| Looks like Burkwood Viburnum or Viburnum Carlessi.
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Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
October 18, 2009
02:47 PM Post #7182856
| Thank you Vacoastgal for reopenning this thread. burkwoodii Viburnum's (Viburnum burkwoodii) shape appear to be more dense and compact compared to mine? Also I've noticed its leaves appear perhaps smaller, and glosier than mine? The flowers are more numerous but shorter branches? I've looked at those in DG's plant Files posted by V.V. and others.
I'm holding my ground; Viburnum x carlcephalum as it was identified above. Thanks all.
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Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)
October 18, 2009
03:04 PM Post #7182906
| Okay, for those that are well versed in Latin. Is it Carlessi or Carl's head? Or same difference? LOL. I may just rename mine to confusus , and be happy with that nickname. ROFL. |
plantfreak78
Rolesville, NC
(Zone 7b)
November 02, 2009
03:40 PM Post #7234318
| I believe it's spelled "Viburnum carlesii" and we just call it Carlesii Viburnum here at the nursery. |
