I just recently got my first Afghan puppy in quite a few years, and have been away from the show ring for about 20 years. I used to show in both conformation and obedience, and would really like to get back to it. We're going to start out with a few matches, and take it from there. Anyone else out there that shows?
Use to show in obedience years ago, i still "obedience train" my dogs even though i do not show them. Also i teach them lots of tricks. I believe it helps build their confidence. Good luck with your shows.
I have never shown dogs myself but my sister used to. I aquired a few of her dogs when they retired and, Loved them the remainder of their years, It was great to get a dog that I have known since puppy hood but was already well behaved. This past year DH decided it was time we got a puppy,Kids too, So I was outnumbered. So now I have a 8mo old black lab. LOL, Way more energy than I'm used to in a dog. But he's great and we all love him.
Thought I'd revive this old thread to see who is showing. I'm looking at taking my first steps inside the conformation ring and need to learn about handling. Anyone out there care to help out a newbie? =)
Momcat, if you're still watching this thread, I'd love to know how your pup did in the ring. Afghans are gorgeous dogs!
When I was thinking about showing Mish, I was told there were conformation classes at many places that do dog training. You may want to check into those - they will help train the dog how to behave in the ring, and help teach you as well. In the meantime, check with your local chapter of your breed club, and ask if they can point you to puppy matches. Everyone is an amateur, but you can get some experience and maybe even a few ribbons under your belt!
Most any all breed club will hold conformation classes. Despite how easy it looks on the teevee, walking in a straight line with a dog while keeping one eye on the judge and one eye on the dog is not as easy as it looks. That leaves "no eyes" to look where you are going and it is easy to trip yourself up both figuratively and literally.
Practice setting your dog up in front of a mirror if you can- he rarely looks like you think he does. If you haven't a mirror that works have someone take hundreds of photos of him stacked so you realize how you are making him appear. Stop at nothing to get your dog as well socialized and accepting of strangers handling as possible- he has to be rock solid, and not all judges are soft spoken and sweet. Make sure he is gone over by smokers, drinkers, men with beards, women wearing bottles of perfume and so on.
Practice gaiting until the dog knows exactly what you want. There's nothing worse than watching a handler going too slow with a dog that wants to really move out, or someone flying by so quickly you can't even follow the feet.
Presentation is everything in the US (IMO) and so your grooming and conditioning have to be impeccable- lots of conditioning, which means waiting until he is old enough to handle it. Your grooming habits and techniques need to be perfect to preserve your coat- you really need the help of a mentor or at least a breed email list to help you.
Personally, I would advise attending a specialty or two and networking amongst old timers and see if you can strike up a friendship with someone to show you the ropes. You can schlepp crates and exercise dogs for them in a barter, and as they trust you then maybe you will be allowed to begin brushing. That is the best way to learn IMO.
If your dog is really worth showing your breeder will be, or at least should be, available to help you. I mean no disrespect to non show quality dogs at all, but with the price of showing nowadays there's no point in taking out something that really isn't up to par both in conformation and behavior.
Agreed on all points, Cearbhaill, and that's very much my plan. I am working very closely with my breeders but they are several hundred miles away. I have a background with riding and showing horses - dressage being my discipline of choice these days - so I look at my breed with an eye for athletic Warmbloods as my preferred Type. I picked my puppy based on that physical Type, among other things, especially health & temperament.
What I specifically was interested in asking about is the methods used in keeping a dog moving straight, rather than with his haunches out/in as I so often see in the conformation ring (yuck!). I know how to deal with straightness from the back of a horse, but I am interested in knowing how dog handlers train for straightness on the ground, without the aids of sidereins, etc. My thought is that using some groundpoles might come in handy? What do you think?
Is he crabbing?
Is this your puppy?
Their bodies go through some strange stages as the parts all grow at different speeds.
If it is the puppy I wouldn't worry about that sort of fine point yet and instead concentrate on socializing and other ring behavior.
If it's not the puppy I would have someone watch him coming and going, or better yet tape it to try and figure out if it is conformational i.e. not balanced on both ends, or just moving silly. It could be that just changing speeds could really make a big difference.
Actually, no, I'm not seeing it in Z yet, (he's not quite 12 wks old) but I anticipate it down the road because I have noticed a very high percentage of show dogs doing it ... and I don't want to be one of them. =) I am all about socialization at this time and am holding off on conformation class for a while. I want to try to make everything fun fun fun for him.
You will find that I am someone who likes to do a LOT of research ahead of time, rather than wait until the problems arise before looking for a fix. It probably drives some people crazy. heh heh
LOL - I watched what seemed like hundreds of "side-winders" at the National Specialty show last year. It is one of those things that is quite common and is something that a horse trainer cannot stand to see. The trainer in me is very curious about how this is resolved.
Wings (Summerstorm's Beneath My Wings SC) who is one major shy of his Ch. title,
Sammi, Willow's sister from a repeat breeding, who is pointed, but broke her leg as a pup. It wasn't set quite right, and she tends to throw that leg out a bit when she moves.
Trouble, who has a JC (junior courser title, and most of his Field Championship), but has an attitude problem. He was taken back from a home by his breeder, and was abused as a pup. He is dominant aggressive, and I can't trust him in any situation that might be stressful to him, so he just stays home. His litter brother was #1 afghan in conformation a couple of years ago.
and the new kid, Hayley, who has 7 points, including one major.
Willow was shown by a professional handler. The rest have been shown, for the most part by my good friend Guy. I bought my first pup from his mom back in '74!! He co-owns Wings, Trouble, and Hayley with me, and his mom co-owns Wings. In fact she had Wings shipped over from Sweden for Guy, as a surprise for him. He couldn't take another dog at the time, so I ended up with him!
I have handled Hayley a few times, and just got WB and BOS with her on Easter Sunday at the Dubuque KC show. I don't have the picture back on that one, yet.
I didn't show the dogs myself until recently because of my weight problem. I had gastric bypass surgery about 18 months ago, and have lost over 150 lbs. I can now run around a ring again!! Me before was NOT a pretty site!!
We did conformation, obedience, and finally agility. Briefly considered extreme sport of pier jumping, but couldn't figure out how to find competitions. Didn't care for conformation due to the "pearls and pumps" type crowd versus the "down home" type crowd at obedience. Loved the energetic crowd at agility and still keep in touch with friends met there.
We may have and more issues with the crowd as we have a rare breed that wasn't recognized by AKC at the time. So we had to go to breed shows or rare breed shows. Tollers are now AKC recognized.
Now that Lily is fully deaf the agility training was a blessing since she is fully trained to obey to hand commands. We only have difficulty when she can't see us (like coming in at night). Any way, they don't care about crabbing in agility.
I have a sort of embarrassing question, but since I only started competing in the conformation ring in August, I guess it's to be expected.
Please, could someone define when a show becomes a "Major"? Does it depend upon the breed and the point schedule or does it always follow basic rules. For example, if enough total dogs (dogs + bitches) are entered for a 3 pt. show, does that make it a "Major"? I haven't found any details about this specific question on the AKC site and I always forget to ask my breeder this question. I'll ask it another way ... are all 3 pt. shows and above considered Majors?
3 point, 4 point and 5 points are your major. It depends on the breed. A popular breed like a Dobi needs a lot of enters to make a major, back when I showed I believe it was over 60 females to make a 3 point major and more than that for the males, and my breed Belgian tervuren a three point major was 4 female or males to make a 3 pint major and only around 6 to make a 5 point major.
You do know that if there is a major in the males and a female take best of winner that the female will get the same points as the male and if class dog take breed then all the dogs including the Champions are counted. If a class dog takes BOS the all the animals of its sex are counted.
Usually the show Catalog will have the info in it on the current points..
Thanks! I suspected a Major was from 3 pts on, but I couldn't find any place that confirmed that. I'll tell you, they really don't make it easy for beginners to get up to speed. I appreciate your clarification.
I didn't know the bit about BOS, but it makes sense. Hopefully that'll come in handy one day soon! =0
Thanks, I've viewed the point schedules many times and know what I need for my division, but I just wasn't certain about the definition of Major.
We've been doing well in the ring, but so far I've only entered Specialties, all of which were Majors. In a couple weeks I'm entering a smaller show with less competition. We might stand a chance of getting beyond the Winners class in this show.
Majors are few and far between these days, with the economy as it is. My male only needs one major to finish, so we're heading to Des Moines (5 1/2 hours each way) in two weeks, for the chance at a major by going BW, it's only a major in bitches. I just hope it doesn't break, that's a long way to travel and not show, but I won't show if the major doesn't hold. I hate this looking for majors part. I was lucky with my bitch, she got her majors out of the way, and the last month of showing her was just picking up singles.
Just a FYI, the point schedule is updated yearly in mid May. There should be postings on the AKC website, once it's announced.
Well, the judge gave him 2 points and placed him over the afghan who was #1 in the country for two years running, so I know she likes him. It's just that my male was not shown for 3 years after a bout of pancreatitis. He completely blew his coat, and it's finally come back in enough to show him. We did 2 shows the end of last year, and he got a major reserve, and a 2nd in open, so the old boy still has it. I have to hope she still likes his type, and there's no one there she owes anything to.
As far as the pancreatitis. Wings came home from my friend's house after a two week stay. I co-own Wings with my friends mother, and he does most of my handling for me. The last couple of days he had not been eating, and the last show he was at, he was just dragging, not himself at all. After another day, it was obvious that something was seriously wrong. Blood work at the vet pointed to pancreatitis. I don't recall now what levels were elevated. At this point he was weak, was vomiting bile, could barely walk. He was kept at the vet's for almost 2 weeks, on IV fluids. The vet said he didn't know what more to do for him, other than the care he was giving. It seemed to be pretty much a matter of, if he could pull himself through. Luckily he made it. He was sent home when the vet could get him to eat a bit, we had him on Nutrical, for calories, tried almost everything to find anything he would eat. About a month after this whole episode he started blowing coat. It would just come out by the handfuls. If he wasn't brushed a couple times a day, it would just matt up. We ended up shaving him down, and it was a very long time until he got a show quality coat back.
Last year we were concentrating on my bitch, and decided to bring him back out once she was finished. He just turned 7 on Jan 5th.
Aww man, that must have been a nightmare. My last Dane was diagnosed with Addison's disease shortly before she had withered away to nothing. It took a specialist to finally diagnose her in time to save her life.
My paternal grandfather died from pancreatitis and my mother & MIL both died from pancreatic cancer, so any related illnesses now get my attention. I'm so happy to hear that you were able to catch it. Has it now been reversed or are there lingering issues that go along with pancreatitis? Sorry for being so nosy - I cannot help but be curious.
There have been no lasting effects, but it did take a lot longer than expected to put coat back on him. The only bad effect from the entire episode, is that he was so babied for such a long time getting him through it, he is now spoiled rotten!
Momcat, I'm really pleased to hear that he recovered fully from the pancreatitis. What a drag about the coat taking so long to come back though. I hope that you'll keep us posted on your progress in the ring. Good luck!
I have some news: This morning, my first show dog earned his first point (WD/BOW), with me owner-handling. I've been on Cloud 9 ever since! =0
Okay, I could use some more remedial help on how the point system works. I've read the official AKC stuff on points, but it still hasn't sunk in, so I need to talk to REAL PEOPLE about it.
First, let's talk about who is eligible to take home points in a given show. Of course the BoB, but are you telling me that the Winners Dog *AND* Winners Bitch could potentially each get a point(s) in the same show? Or would it be WD *OR* WB gets the point(s)?
I'm trying to get my head around some of this obscure stuff. ;)
Sorry if this is painful -- one day I'll understand this fully. I hope.
The point go to the WD AND the WB The sexes are judged seperate. The dogs are judged and the WD get the point count for the dogs and then the Bitches are judged and the WB gets the points for that sex. Then say the WB gets more points than the WD but the WD goes BW the the WD gets the same number of points as the WB .
Ok here is way it get's a little confusing. It a Champipn goes BOB they do not need or get any points. But if one of the Winners goes BOB than all Champion they beat are counted toward the points. If one of the Winners goins BOS then only the Champions of there sex are counted.
Oi vei! Yes, it helps - thanks! But, please don't be surprised if I come back again in the future with more related questions. =)
I had been under the mistaken impression that if, say WB got more points than WD, then if the WD went BW he would *take away* the points from the WB. But, in reality, they both would end up with the same # of points. Sheesh. This stuff is KeeRaZy!
Btw, wren, every time I see a Terv I think of you!!!
There were 3 points in bitches today, only one point in dogs. Going WD, Wings got one point, by going BW over the bitch, he gets 3 points. Like Wren said, both WD and WB get points. The number is determined by the number of class entries of each sex. If the class bitch went BW, only she would have gotten a major, with Wings getting BW, it kind of like sharing the wealth, they both get majors.
You need 15 point with 2 majors in there, if you do not get the majors than you have to keep going till you have the majors. In other works you could have 30 point but if you do not have the majors he does not earn the CH.
Congratulations!! That is great!! Did you have pictures taken? If you did you'll have to post when you get them!
I thought I had Wings entered next weekend, contacted the superintendent about moving him to specials, and found out that there was an error on my entry, so he isn't entered. I'm really bummed about that. I wasn't planning to special him, but I thought, as he was already entered, we'd go ahead and show. I've had other superintendents call me if there was an error, and I could get it corrected before entries closed. I don't know why Jones didn't call.
Thank you! Yes, I have photos coming - fingers crossed that they actually came out okay. I don't think that we'll be back in the ring until a specialty at the end of Feb.
What a drag about the entry mix up. I wonder if they are the Super' that has a reputation for making mistakes(?). Thought I'd heard that from someone in the mid-west. Well, if you do end up specialing him in the future, keep us posted! Congratulations once again to be Finished. I cannot even imagine how great that must feel. ;)
I don't know if Jones is known for messed up entries. I've never had a problem with them before. Maybe it was me, but I know with Onofrio, when I messed up an entry they called and I was able to fax them a replacement entry form.
Oh WOW!!! Congratulations...from a newbie to best of winners with your 12 month old buddy!! You have done well!!
Sheri & Elvis (we do obedience, agility and flyball...well , when he was younger...now Rally is our sport)
Most serious breeders are not the ones producing the BIS "#1 All Breeds!!" type dogs.
The breeders and serious dog people I know show almost exclusively at specialties and skip the all breed venues for this very reason.
Specialty judges, being chosen by a breed committee, are better educated and so have the nerve to put up what is right as opposed to what wins. They are breed specialists, know the standards and what is between the lines, and have a real idea about what the dog is expected to be.
IMO it's the generic judges who know one or two breeds very well and add the rest to be able to do Groups that make these egregious errors. They haven't the confidence to choose what is correct so they go with a big winner, as few folks would fault them for it. They're afraid they would be asked to explain if they put up a no-name, no matter how correct it might be, so they make the "safe" choice.
They are swayed by name handlers, Kennel Review ads, flashy movement, and crowd response. They mistake exaggeration for type. They expect showy personalities no matter what the standard calls for. And they know that their next assignment depends on the entries they drew this time, and that means not making hard decisions.
If you are truly interested in a specific breed, go to a specialty. That's where the really correct dogs are IMO.
In my breed, even the Specialties, unfortunately, run into the same trends mentioned in the article. But, the more people speak/write about this problem, the more likely we will be able to re-focus on breed standards ... I hope.
For me, if a dog cannot "fill the eye" (according to the standard) *AND* move, I'm not interested. I look at horses the same way.
(And, of course it goes without saying that health & temperament are just as important as the standard albeit difficult/impossible to see from inside the breed ring.)
I know almost any afghan can finish, as long as it has coat, and the right person at the end of the lead.
Politics seems to be playing a bigger part in the dog show game nowadays.
I tend to avoid a lot of the specialties, mainly because the club members choose the judge, and a lot of the time, a club member, or someone they are closely aligned with will win. I look for breeder judges at all breed shows, primarily because there aren't a lot of local afghan breeders that belong to the all breed clubs around here, and I feel I have a better chance there.
We all know about the politics, but still choose to stay in the game, and every now and then, a 'nobody' does really well. The sister to my bitch, Hayley, just got a Group 1st yesterday, owner handled.
Glad I'm in a less popular breed if your specialties are as bad as the all breeds.
Our National Specialty BOB last year was an untitled dog out of Open from a little known breeder who has been working hard for years- gorgeous dog!
An Irish judge was brought in and it was a real treat to watch her work and follow her line of thinking. IMO specialties should be the #1 educational event a breed club puts on, and it is just sad when things go sour due to politics.
Vote out the officers! Get involved. The leadership of the national breed club is the single most important issue within that breed IMO, and these positions need to be held by folks with impeccable ethics and who literally put nothing above the future good of the breed.
The National is fine, I was referring to the small local specialty shows. Some of the nearer ones to me have less than 10 members, and it seems someone somehow related to one of them always wins, either WD, WB, or Breed.
I am also glad that my breed is not popular.
I am hoping that the down turn in the economy will get the "money" out of it. And it may happen I was talking to some one with a Dobi puppy and he says that the number of Professional handlers in this breed is going down and that he has seen owner handlers win.
I have always preferred the Obedience Show world.
The Politics and "snootiness" very prevalent in the Breed ring seem to be nearly absent there. Also the dogs REQUIRE breeding to standard to do extremely well. Without proper structure, the movement cannot allow the dog to do many of the exercises necessary to get to the higher levels of Obedience, Agility, Flyball + tracking and herding. In addition, these dogs have built a relationship with their owner/handler since they Must work as a team.
Wren - that's what happened to me. My toller flew through Agility, while I couldn't remember my left-from-my-right and felt like one of the singers in the Temptations with all my arm flailing. If Lily had a younger, more agile partner I'm sure she could have gone much further.
Boy does this bring back memories. I loved showing my dogs. This was my first home bred Champion Lhasa Apso. He won two groups and almost got a BiS. I should have handed him off to a handler and he probably would have taken BiS that day. Poor Judge couldn't have put him BiS with me wearing those pants. LOL But that was in the 60s, quite stylish then. LOL
This is "Kai".
Somewhere I have a color picture, he was a beautiful gold & white Parti Color.
After obedience class this morning, I drove over to another training club to observe their agility classes. Lucky for us, after the class ended, the instructor asked me to go grab my pup and bring him in to see what he could do. Zeb was great and he had tons of fun! I'm still High as a Kite from the experience. We had the ring to ourselves (no doggie distractions - yay!), she had me drop his lead and try him on the various contacts. I am feeling so proud of him. Now I just need to figure out a way to get out of work early enough to get him into a foundation agility class on Tues nights. Yippeee!!! We're finally starting the FUN stuff. lol
Oh how much fun Elvis & I had in Agility & Flyball. Unfortunately I went lame just when he got his Flyball regist. #. Rally is great fun now. Even though I am lame and Elvis is nearly 13 he amazes me and trains me well!!
Forgive me, please, but I have to vent and get it out of my system:
I Hate Being New to Showing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I entered a 3 day specialty via Info Dog, then was told by a friend that I should have sent the entry in via snail mail directly to show secretaries and saved the nearly $50 in processing fees. GRRRRR. She recommended that I cancel the online entry, so I attempted to do, but never found a way. I.D. told me to contact show secretaries about my predicament. I didn't get much help there either. I sent in the paper enteries and checks to show secretaries (now I've effectively entered and paid twice). Still unsuccessful in canceling the online entry, I issued a Stop Payment on the bank card and let I.D. know what I'd done. Now I have a v/m from I.D. where the woman sounds angry with me; I tried calling her back, but of course it's after hours.
I suspect that I'm going to eat the $100 + bucks in online entry fees when this all could have been avoided if I'd simply understood The Ropes and sent in a paper entry (with no processing fees) from the start.
I HATE BEING NEW!!! First, I've had to deal with cold and rude people at ringside, a very rude handling instructor, and now I'm feeling like some sort of Heel for trying to get out of an online purchase.
I can understand your frustration, it's not just because you're new. I've never used infodogs online entry, but have not heard anything good about it. I've only used Onofrio online, and that is easy, I've even canceled entries online.
I've only used the online entries when it is last minute, mainly because of the fees involved.
When do the shows close? If they haven't closed yet, hopefully you can get it handled tomorrow.
Thanks, Deb. It closes tomorrow and I've confirmed that both show secretaries have my paper entries, so I believe that I'm set there.
I've always used infodogs until now because the fees were so nominal (prior to this specialty), but this experience has caused me to rethink the paper process. Let me ask you this, since you routinely use paper, how do you confirm prior to Closing that the secretaries received your paperwork? Do you call them?
That's neat, that the dog related to your boy took breed. A couple of years ago the littermate to one of my boys won the breed at the Eukanuba show, we were all thrilled!
As far as entries go, I just mail early enough that there isn't an issue, I have only had entries miss once in over 30 years of showing. For me, if I'm entering a Roy Jones show, I know I can mail as late as Monday night, if I go to the postal sorting center, and make it before their last pick up of the night, it will get there on time. Any other super, I know I have to have it in the mail by Saturday. Maybe I've just been lucky. Usually I know they got my entry when they cash my check!
Jones and Onofrio are the two primary superintendents in this area, I've dealt with both by phone and e-mail when I've had questions, changed classes, or moved dogs up to specials, and they have both been very helpful. They have both also been great when I forgot to sign entries! They actually called, and let me fax in a signed form.
It is fun, it is a game, the dog show world very strange but interesting world, with a some very nice,some not so nice and some down right weird people, and you get to do it with your very best friend--your dog
3G, I have to tell you that I've gone my whole life stating adamantly that I would Never show dogs. Heh ... then I happened to bring home a puppy who has the correct color and conformation for showing, so I decided to give myself the personal challenge of trying to handle him in the Breed ring. Turns out that, in spite of the bumpy moments that I've had, I actually enjoy this challenge and it feels pretty good to be out there and up against professional handlers with my own pup. I'm learning lots and the few minor wins that we've had have left me craving more! I hope to pilot him to his Championship now.
I certainly do not wish to get into breeding. I'm just having fun with him.
I really miss my days showing and being a ring Steward As a steward I saw a full range of those that where there. Good judges and some that did not know there right hand from there left. Good handlers and bad. Most of the people I saw where nice, but you could some tell what kind of people they you would being dealing with buy the breed. I hated stewarding in the poodle and the cocker rings.
wrightie That's why I showed. I enjoyed it, was not interested in breeding, I had a female with a great confirmation but she was messed up in her head. If she liked the judge she showed great but if she did not forget it. She also managed to mess up her back. So I went into the stewarding.
[quote]Wren, it's not quite the same because my breeders are watching the telecasts from opposite sides of the country while chatting via conference call -- I want in on that conversation!!! =)[/quote]
Some of the best learning experiences I ever had came from watching Westminster broadcasts in a room full of top notch handlers and judges. We novices would just sit back and listen and try and absorb all the knowledge in the room.
I'm not watching tonight- Tivo conflicts :) - but will record tomorrows rebroadcast. I love watching the Working group!
Just remember that you can watch the breed rings on westminsterkennelclub.org The video are getting better each year. My friends stafff female took BOS last year and I get to watch here without all the crowds.
Fun, Fun stuff!! and with our best friends to boot!!^_^ I'm a fan of the Non-Sporting group. Having had 2 Dals & 2 Poodles (though 1 was a Toy). I started out in the breed ring with my male Dal. But...when he turned a complete summer-salt during "posing" in an outdoor show-n-go, then wandered all over sniffing in the ring @ our 1st indoor show...we switched to obedience. He had a real problem that required getting neutered,also. the 1st time he smelled a bitch in heat, he got a 14 hr erection that required sedation and catheterizing. hehehe, ..our vet said that unless he was gonna be a full time stud dog, we would be in real trouble...what a stud, but stoped in his tracks...he was a gorgeous boy too, pick of the litter and his ancestors were some of the top dogs in the Dalmatian books at the time. There are so many "roll of the dice" quirks like that that occur too.
But John Henry did great in Obedience and some agility, so...
Congrats to all those related to the Westminster wins!!!
Good luck to all you showing soon, too!
BB, you are scaring me! 14 hrs, huh? We're showing next wknd and I'm told that someone who will be traveling with us is bringing her bitch who is in heat right now. This will be a *new* experience for my boy and I'm a little annoyed that she's not going to pull her. In fact, she asked for a hotel room next to ours, too. Anyone have any advice for me?
I have another newbie question. This time it is related to the CGC 'title' (not a true title, just a certification, right?). I am sure that I have seen dogs listed in the conformation programs that include the CGC acronym after their names, but I'm not sure if that is kosher. Does anyone here have experience with this?
I'm asking this because we just passed the CGC test and I'd like to know how to handle it when I enter future breed shows. Can I include the CGC in his registered name -OR- should I omit it -OR- will the AKC automatically update his registered name after they receive the paperwork proving that he passed the test?
Ok on the first about the bitch in heat, I know some handlers will put a little bit of Vicki on the noise, or reather just above the noise where they can not lick it off. It is allowed in the conformation ring or it was to allow a bitch in heat but I agree it is not fair.
Only the titles that are allowed can be listed in the conformation program. There for if it is listed that it is allowed.
Vick's vapo rub? Good to know in the event of an (ah-hem) Emergency!
By "conformation program", do you mean for each individual show, or do you mean the AKC website's section on conformation? Is that info. typically found in the individual premiums (clearly, I never had a need to bother reading that before). Gonna go look around ...
I think both. It is a AKC title so it is allowed. They do not allow any not AKC titles in the AKC show programs. Or they did.
And yes about the Vick's vapo rub. If they can not smell the "B" then they will not know that she is in heat. LOL But then you could of had a female like my girl she make it clear that she did not want any of it, she was in love with my friends Bullmastiff. We use to joke that we would have ended up with a fuzzy bullmastiff or a pug noised Terv. But I never showed her when she was in heat I did not think that it was fair to the other dogs.
Congrats on the CGC certification. Since CGC isn't a "title" as such, I don't think it should be included as part of his name on the entry form. I did a quick search on the AKC site for recognized suffix titles, and CGC is not listed.
That being said, I have seen people list it. If you include it on the entry form, it will appear in the catalog that way, if you don't it won't. AKC won't automatically update anything. I can enter any of my dogs in a show, and if I forget to list CH or DC or SC the title will not appear in the catalog. They go strictly by the AKC number for crediting points. I've even seen dogs listed in catalogs as UKC Ch, and you know that's a no no!!
As far as dealing with with the bitch in season, every dog reacts a bit different. One of my males is quiet in any situation, the other will whine, and yip, and bark endlessly. Once you're at the motel, I wouldn't worry. He may be more interested than usual in marking everything, but as long as she's in another room, I would think you will be OK.
I live with 2 males and 3 bitches, and while they can be annoying for a time, I really don't have any problems surviving seasons with my sanity intact.
Thanks for the info on CGC & "hormones" ... we ended up not having any problems with the bitch. I kept my boy away from her just to be safe though.
Now. I have news.
After three days of showing at a BIG specialty ... and with me owner-handling, my boy took Reserve yesterday at a (5 point) major. Today, he took Best of Winners for a 5 pt Major!!! He's half-way there! It still hasn't sunk in. I'm on Cloud 9!
We picked up 2 more pts yesterday (WD / BoW; crossed over to get the 2nd pt), plus a Reserve today, so we're inching along. He's now got 9 pts in total. I made so many handling mistakes, I'm feeling very lucky, indeed. =)
We lost the smallest boy last Tuesday. Hayley wasn't making enough milk, they were all dehydrated, vet gave sub-q fluids, but we just couldn't save him. Everyone is being bottle fed now, and they are all growing quickly. They are now trying to stand, and manage to totter around the whelping box a bit. I could just sit and watch them all day.
Today is my first day back at work, I'm going to take a long lunch and run home and bottle feed again. Hayley does have some milk, but they need the bottle to supplement.
Deb, I am sorry for the long delay. As mentioned on your other thread, I'm just so sorry about your losing the little one. I trust that by now, the others are in their new homes? Are you getting any sleep? :)
I have some news. Zeb took his second Major (3 pts) yesterday and it was a wonderful surprise. The judge made us work hard (he's a movement guy), then lined us up and pointed to us out of the line order. No one was more shocked than me that we took WD! LOL Just 2 more points to go and we can then truly focus on the performance rings. Yahoo!
Congratulations!! That is wonderful news. With only a couple of singles to go, he'll finish in no time. Have you started any of the performance training? What will you start with, obedience, rally, agility?
Yep, I've done basic obedience classes with him since he was 3 mos. old and he's got his CGC. We also took a foundation agility class and we just started a Rally class last week. I will focus more on Rally for the time being because I'm hoping to get his R. Novice title at our nat'l specialty in Oct. We're - hah - really not very good with maintaining a loose lead and attention when there are distractions around us, so I've got my work cut out for me!
I'll take a few private agility classes just to keep a toe in until we can focus on it primarily. He loves the contacts and jumps, so if I can actually channel his focus, etc., he should do well eventually.
Have you ever done tracking? That's something I'd like to learn more about...
I have done a little bit of tracking. Ran in to the problem of finding places to practice, plus I went to work before day light so could not get out there early. If you have a dog that loves food it easy to get them started. LOL
I've only done conformation, lure coursing, and basic obedience. I had a bitch back in the 80's that was #3 afghan in the country in obedience. There aren't many afghans competing in many of the obedience, rally, agility type events. I need to get Willow trained. We went through a beginning obedience class a couple of years ago, I need to get a CD on her. Our parent club gives an award for anyone who gets conformation Ch., Field Ch, and a CD in obedience. We're 2/3 of the way there, so I figure it's worth a shot. I just need the time to devote to her.
I really appreciate(?) any one who can get titles of the unusual breeds. My friend get a CD on her Champion Bull Mastiff. I once watch some one with an Afghan in the obedience ring was very funny as every few steps the dog would jump up and grab her with it's paws. I have seen Bloodhounds in Utility, a English Bulldog in open and that also was very funny. He was enjoying his self but he knocked over the last board of the broad jump and he stopped looked at it, then at his person, back at the board, then looked at the judge and then looked around at all the people as if asking us if we had seen what that "bad" board had done. Oh and I have seen rescue greyhounds in Utility also
I went through so much before my Lindy ever got her CD title. I decided that I wasn't going to enter the "real" shows until she qualified at an obedience match. Well, I eventually gave up that idea, and she always scored in the 190's at the trials. She never once had a qualifying score at a match.
We did countless recalls where, when I would call, she would sit and look around, and pretend she never heard me. I did many off lead heel exercises, where she sat at the start point and laughed at me, while I went through the entire routine alone. For the long down, she would start out like all the other dogs, and she would never interfere with them, but would have herself completely turned around and facing the opposite direction before the exercise was over, without ever getting up. She was usually good for a laugh from the crowd, though there were times I was so embarrased!
After Cody goes to his new home in England in November (we have kept him here to allow him to enter England without quarantine) we will begin to show the boy we are keeping with us. Fitz is his call name.
Fitz is doing obedience training while awaiting his turn in the show ring. He will be shown in both conformation and obedience.
Momcat, Wren, that's so cool that you've got experience in those other venues -- I hope to follow in your footsteps. It's hard to know what we'll be any good at or enjoy until we try it, so my fingers are crossed that I can get some titles one day. ;p
Soldiersong, Cody is gorgeous! I always turn my head when I see Wheatens at the shows - such lovely dogs. I'd love to hear the latest on taking dogs into the UK; I know that they were relaxing the laws back around the time that HK went back to China, but I'd lost track. My hubbie is a Brit', so we hope to one day return. Is there no quarantine on that side any longer?
Hmmm, I understand the rationale behind it, but I lived in the UK even after the Chunnel had opened and the quarantines were still in place for domesticated animals (not livestock), regardless of rabies vaccines. Even after HK changed hands and all of the ex-pats were returning to the UK, the quarantines were still in place. I need to look up the current regulations...
One of the puppies from our last litter is going to live in England. He was born in January and can't go home until November if we want to avoid having to quarantine him. We had to titer test him after his rabies shot, then wait six months and titer test him again. Also, we have to send him with a Home Again microchip reader because that is not the system used by England and if they cannot read his chip he has to be in quarantine despite all the efforts at this end.
We sent semen to England a few years ago. First permission had to be given by the Kennel Club, which took almost two years. Then he had to be tested for all sorts of things, including Mad Cow Disease. He had to have a special rabies shot and then be titer tested. The semen was then collected and frozen and placed in quarantine in the U.S. Six months later the dog was titer tested again and then the semen was allowed to go to England.
It is interesting that, had I been willing to take him to England for the breeding he could have just flown in on a pet passport, bred the bitch and come home again.