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momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

September 11, 2001
11:09 PM

Post #13114

I just recently got my first Afghan puppy in quite a few years, and have been away from the show ring for about 20 years. I used to show in both conformation and obedience, and would really like to get back to it. We're going to start out with a few matches, and take it from there. Anyone else out there that shows?
Debbie
nefer
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 11, 2001
11:40 PM

Post #125728

Momcat-Used to-years ago German Shepherds
ladystepper
Ada, OK
(Zone 7a)

September 12, 2001
1:04 PM

Post #125925

Use to show in obedience years ago, i still "obedience train" my dogs even though i do not show them. Also i teach them lots of tricks. I believe it helps build their confidence. Good luck with your shows.

Larkie

Larkie
Camilla, GA
(Zone 8a)

September 12, 2001
6:34 PM

Post #126101

4 of my 5 are rescued strays, so no show, only for the family..LOL
Larkie
Laura_Sue

September 16, 2001
3:01 AM

Post #128260

I have never shown dogs myself but my sister used to. I aquired a few of her dogs when they retired and, Loved them the remainder of their years, It was great to get a dog that I have known since puppy hood but was already well behaved. This past year DH decided it was time we got a puppy,Kids too, So I was outnumbered. So now I have a 8mo old black lab. LOL, Way more energy than I'm used to in a dog. But he's great and we all love him.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 1, 2008
6:17 PM

Post #4741302

Thought I'd revive this old thread to see who is showing. I'm looking at taking my first steps inside the conformation ring and need to learn about handling. Anyone out there care to help out a newbie? =)

Momcat, if you're still watching this thread, I'd love to know how your pup did in the ring. Afghans are gorgeous dogs!
Zarebeth
Circle Pines, MN
(Zone 4b)

April 1, 2008
10:14 PM

Post #4742443

When I was thinking about showing Mish, I was told there were conformation classes at many places that do dog training. You may want to check into those - they will help train the dog how to behave in the ring, and help teach you as well. In the meantime, check with your local chapter of your breed club, and ask if they can point you to puppy matches. Everyone is an amateur, but you can get some experience and maybe even a few ribbons under your belt!

Good luck!
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 1, 2008
10:39 PM

Post #4742534

Thanks, Zarebeth, I've contacted my training club and am considering a few different upcoming classes. I kind of wanted to pick the brains of some experienced people here though. =)
Cearbhaill
Russell, KY
(Zone 6b)

April 1, 2008
10:51 PM

Post #4742599

Most any all breed club will hold conformation classes. Despite how easy it looks on the teevee, walking in a straight line with a dog while keeping one eye on the judge and one eye on the dog is not as easy as it looks. That leaves "no eyes" to look where you are going and it is easy to trip yourself up both figuratively and literally.

Practice setting your dog up in front of a mirror if you can- he rarely looks like you think he does. If you haven't a mirror that works have someone take hundreds of photos of him stacked so you realize how you are making him appear. Stop at nothing to get your dog as well socialized and accepting of strangers handling as possible- he has to be rock solid, and not all judges are soft spoken and sweet. Make sure he is gone over by smokers, drinkers, men with beards, women wearing bottles of perfume and so on.

Practice gaiting until the dog knows exactly what you want. There's nothing worse than watching a handler going too slow with a dog that wants to really move out, or someone flying by so quickly you can't even follow the feet.

Presentation is everything in the US (IMO) and so your grooming and conditioning have to be impeccable- lots of conditioning, which means waiting until he is old enough to handle it. Your grooming habits and techniques need to be perfect to preserve your coat- you really need the help of a mentor or at least a breed email list to help you.

Personally, I would advise attending a specialty or two and networking amongst old timers and see if you can strike up a friendship with someone to show you the ropes. You can schlepp crates and exercise dogs for them in a barter, and as they trust you then maybe you will be allowed to begin brushing. That is the best way to learn IMO.

If your dog is really worth showing your breeder will be, or at least should be, available to help you. I mean no disrespect to non show quality dogs at all, but with the price of showing nowadays there's no point in taking out something that really isn't up to par both in conformation and behavior.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 1, 2008
11:33 PM

Post #4742836

Agreed on all points, Cearbhaill, and that's very much my plan. I am working very closely with my breeders but they are several hundred miles away. I have a background with riding and showing horses - dressage being my discipline of choice these days - so I look at my breed with an eye for athletic Warmbloods as my preferred Type. I picked my puppy based on that physical Type, among other things, especially health & temperament.

What I specifically was interested in asking about is the methods used in keeping a dog moving straight, rather than with his haunches out/in as I so often see in the conformation ring (yuck!). I know how to deal with straightness from the back of a horse, but I am interested in knowing how dog handlers train for straightness on the ground, without the aids of sidereins, etc. My thought is that using some groundpoles might come in handy? What do you think?
Cearbhaill
Russell, KY
(Zone 6b)

April 1, 2008
11:38 PM

Post #4742857

Work along side a wall?

Is he crabbing?
Is this your puppy?
Their bodies go through some strange stages as the parts all grow at different speeds.

If it is the puppy I wouldn't worry about that sort of fine point yet and instead concentrate on socializing and other ring behavior.
If it's not the puppy I would have someone watch him coming and going, or better yet tape it to try and figure out if it is conformational i.e. not balanced on both ends, or just moving silly. It could be that just changing speeds could really make a big difference.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 1, 2008
11:43 PM

Post #4742874

Actually, no, I'm not seeing it in Z yet, (he's not quite 12 wks old) but I anticipate it down the road because I have noticed a very high percentage of show dogs doing it ... and I don't want to be one of them. =) I am all about socialization at this time and am holding off on conformation class for a while. I want to try to make everything fun fun fun for him.

You will find that I am someone who likes to do a LOT of research ahead of time, rather than wait until the problems arise before looking for a fix. It probably drives some people crazy. heh heh
Cearbhaill
Russell, KY
(Zone 6b)

April 1, 2008
11:48 PM

Post #4742897

Don't anticipate problems!!
Believe me, when you do have one it will be something you never even thought of!
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 1, 2008
11:53 PM

Post #4742924

LOL - I watched what seemed like hundreds of "side-winders" at the National Specialty show last year. It is one of those things that is quite common and is something that a horse trainer cannot stand to see. The trainer in me is very curious about how this is resolved.

momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2008
12:29 AM

Post #4743078

Wow, this thread is old!!

Well the Afghan puppy I was referring to is now MBIF DC TopFlite Blue Willow SC, FCh (Multiple Best In Field Dual Champion TopFlite Blue Willow Senior Courser, Field Champion).

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wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 2, 2008
12:32 AM

Post #4743088

CONGRATULATIONS!!! He's gorgeous! (he, right?)
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2008
12:37 AM

Post #4743116

Since then, I've gotten:

Wings (Summerstorm's Beneath My Wings SC) who is one major shy of his Ch. title,

Sammi, Willow's sister from a repeat breeding, who is pointed, but broke her leg as a pup. It wasn't set quite right, and she tends to throw that leg out a bit when she moves.

Trouble, who has a JC (junior courser title, and most of his Field Championship), but has an attitude problem. He was taken back from a home by his breeder, and was abused as a pup. He is dominant aggressive, and I can't trust him in any situation that might be stressful to him, so he just stays home. His litter brother was #1 afghan in conformation a couple of years ago.

and the new kid, Hayley, who has 7 points, including one major.

I've got more pictures posted at http://windigoafghans.blogspot.com/

Deb

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momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2008
12:37 AM

Post #4743121

Well, no, Willow is a she!!

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 2, 2008
12:45 AM

Post #4743165

Holy cow, you're really into it! Do you handle your own dogs (based on the photos, I assume not?)?

Are you familiar with the straightness issue that I mentioned above?
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2008
12:51 AM

Post #4743195

Willow was shown by a professional handler. The rest have been shown, for the most part by my good friend Guy. I bought my first pup from his mom back in '74!! He co-owns Wings, Trouble, and Hayley with me, and his mom co-owns Wings. In fact she had Wings shipped over from Sweden for Guy, as a surprise for him. He couldn't take another dog at the time, so I ended up with him!

I have handled Hayley a few times, and just got WB and BOS with her on Easter Sunday at the Dubuque KC show. I don't have the picture back on that one, yet.

Deb
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2008
12:54 AM

Post #4743216

I didn't show the dogs myself until recently because of my weight problem. I had gastric bypass surgery about 18 months ago, and have lost over 150 lbs. I can now run around a ring again!! Me before was NOT a pretty site!!

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 2, 2008
1:04 AM

Post #4743276

=) Hooray! Congrat's, Deb! A friend of mine is going through the checklist to become approved for the surgery. I look forward to seeing her make that lifestyle change and put a smile on her face.
duck_toller
Middleton, WI
(Zone 4b)

December 9, 2008
1:33 PM

Post #5873820

We did conformation, obedience, and finally agility. Briefly considered extreme sport of pier jumping, but couldn't figure out how to find competitions. Didn't care for conformation due to the "pearls and pumps" type crowd versus the "down home" type crowd at obedience. Loved the energetic crowd at agility and still keep in touch with friends met there.

We may have and more issues with the crowd as we have a rare breed that wasn't recognized by AKC at the time. So we had to go to breed shows or rare breed shows. Tollers are now AKC recognized.

Now that Lily is fully deaf the agility training was a blessing since she is fully trained to obey to hand commands. We only have difficulty when she can't see us (like coming in at night). Any way, they don't care about crabbing in agility.

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wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

December 9, 2008
3:56 PM

Post #5874255

Great Photo! Zeb's 'cousin' is a top Dock Diving Dane -- so cool to watch!!!
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 8, 2009
12:17 AM

Post #5979121

I have a sort of embarrassing question, but since I only started competing in the conformation ring in August, I guess it's to be expected.

Please, could someone define when a show becomes a "Major"? Does it depend upon the breed and the point schedule or does it always follow basic rules. For example, if enough total dogs (dogs + bitches) are entered for a 3 pt. show, does that make it a "Major"? I haven't found any details about this specific question on the AKC site and I always forget to ask my breeder this question. I'll ask it another way ... are all 3 pt. shows and above considered Majors?

Thanks!

This message was edited Jan 7, 2009 7:20 PM

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 8, 2009
1:04 AM

Post #5979283

3 point, 4 point and 5 points are your major. It depends on the breed. A popular breed like a Dobi needs a lot of enters to make a major, back when I showed I believe it was over 60 females to make a 3 point major and more than that for the males, and my breed Belgian tervuren a three point major was 4 female or males to make a 3 pint major and only around 6 to make a 5 point major.

You do know that if there is a major in the males and a female take best of winner that the female will get the same points as the male and if class dog take breed then all the dogs including the Champions are counted. If a class dog takes BOS the all the animals of its sex are counted.

Usually the show Catalog will have the info in it on the current points..
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 8, 2009
1:13 AM

Post #5979316

Thanks! I suspected a Major was from 3 pts on, but I couldn't find any place that confirmed that. I'll tell you, they really don't make it easy for beginners to get up to speed. I appreciate your clarification.

I didn't know the bit about BOS, but it makes sense. Hopefully that'll come in handy one day soon! =0

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 8, 2009
1:21 AM

Post #5979344

It did for me. My female took BOS over a champion shown by a professional to get a 4 point major. She get 11 point before I had to stop showing her. If she liked the judge she did great if she did not she flunked plus she hurt her back and would not stand straight. These should help.
http://www.akc.org/events/conformation/point_schedule.cfm
http://www.akc.org/pdfs/events/conformation/point_schedule/2008/division3.pdf
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 8, 2009
1:39 AM

Post #5979405

Congratulations on the BOS!

Thanks, I've viewed the point schedules many times and know what I need for my division, but I just wasn't certain about the definition of Major.

We've been doing well in the ring, but so far I've only entered Specialties, all of which were Majors. In a couple weeks I'm entering a smaller show with less competition. We might stand a chance of getting beyond the Winners class in this show.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 8, 2009
1:45 AM

Post #5979431

Good luck.
Oh I think that if a class dog take a Group 1 they can up their points to the highest number points of the animals in the group ring.
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 8, 2009
3:21 AM

Post #5979870

Majors are few and far between these days, with the economy as it is. My male only needs one major to finish, so we're heading to Des Moines (5 1/2 hours each way) in two weeks, for the chance at a major by going BW, it's only a major in bitches. I just hope it doesn't break, that's a long way to travel and not show, but I won't show if the major doesn't hold. I hate this looking for majors part. I was lucky with my bitch, she got her majors out of the way, and the last month of showing her was just picking up singles.

Just a FYI, the point schedule is updated yearly in mid May. There should be postings on the AKC website, once it's announced.

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 8, 2009
3:28 AM

Post #5979901

Good luck, momcat. I'll be sending you lots of good vibes Re: that Des Moines show -- I can appreciate all that goes into traveling that distance for a 'crap shoot'.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 8, 2009
11:31 AM

Post #5980583

Good luck
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 8, 2009
12:27 PM

Post #5980652

Well, the judge gave him 2 points and placed him over the afghan who was #1 in the country for two years running, so I know she likes him. It's just that my male was not shown for 3 years after a bout of pancreatitis. He completely blew his coat, and it's finally come back in enough to show him. We did 2 shows the end of last year, and he got a major reserve, and a 2nd in open, so the old boy still has it. I have to hope she still likes his type, and there's no one there she owes anything to.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 8, 2009
2:19 PM

Post #5980980

Momcat, I'd be interested in learning more about the pancreatitis that your boy went through - I'm so glad that he has bounced back! Good luck!

Today is my Boy's birthday - he is One year old, so we'll be moving up to the big boy classes this month. lol



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momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 8, 2009
4:40 PM

Post #5981478

Happy Birthday to your boy Wrightie!

As far as the pancreatitis. Wings came home from my friend's house after a two week stay. I co-own Wings with my friends mother, and he does most of my handling for me. The last couple of days he had not been eating, and the last show he was at, he was just dragging, not himself at all. After another day, it was obvious that something was seriously wrong. Blood work at the vet pointed to pancreatitis. I don't recall now what levels were elevated. At this point he was weak, was vomiting bile, could barely walk. He was kept at the vet's for almost 2 weeks, on IV fluids. The vet said he didn't know what more to do for him, other than the care he was giving. It seemed to be pretty much a matter of, if he could pull himself through. Luckily he made it. He was sent home when the vet could get him to eat a bit, we had him on Nutrical, for calories, tried almost everything to find anything he would eat. About a month after this whole episode he started blowing coat. It would just come out by the handfuls. If he wasn't brushed a couple times a day, it would just matt up. We ended up shaving him down, and it was a very long time until he got a show quality coat back.

Last year we were concentrating on my bitch, and decided to bring him back out once she was finished. He just turned 7 on Jan 5th.

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 9, 2009
11:58 PM

Post #5986636

Aww man, that must have been a nightmare. My last Dane was diagnosed with Addison's disease shortly before she had withered away to nothing. It took a specialist to finally diagnose her in time to save her life.

My paternal grandfather died from pancreatitis and my mother & MIL both died from pancreatic cancer, so any related illnesses now get my attention. I'm so happy to hear that you were able to catch it. Has it now been reversed or are there lingering issues that go along with pancreatitis? Sorry for being so nosy - I cannot help but be curious.

I hope that you are able to Finish him this year!
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 10, 2009
5:32 AM

Post #5987862


There have been no lasting effects, but it did take a lot longer than expected to put coat back on him. The only bad effect from the entire episode, is that he was so babied for such a long time getting him through it, he is now spoiled rotten!
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 16, 2009
5:50 PM

Post #6012835

Momcat, I'm really pleased to hear that he recovered fully from the pancreatitis. What a drag about the coat taking so long to come back though. I hope that you'll keep us posted on your progress in the ring. Good luck!

I have some news: This morning, my first show dog earned his first point (WD/BOW), with me owner-handling. I've been on Cloud 9 ever since! =0

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 16, 2009
6:52 PM

Post #6013060

Congratulation!!!!!!!!! I so remember how that was!!

Sandy
DaysDawning
Napoleon, OH

January 16, 2009
7:37 PM

Post #6013266

How exciting M!
You keep dancing on that cloud! Congratulations.

Deb, there's no such thing as a "spoiled" dog! LOL
Best of luck with the Des Moines shows!!
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 16, 2009
7:54 PM

Post #6013349

Thanks, Ladies! I'm sure that I'll be brought right back down to Earth by tomorrow, once I'm back in the ring again. Hopefully it won't be a Crash Landing though. lol
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 17, 2009
12:13 AM

Post #6014277

Congratulations on your win! Good luck tomorrow.

We're heading to Des Moines tomorrow morning to show.

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 17, 2009
12:44 AM

Post #6014425

Thank you!

Safe travels and good luck to you, too! ~ stay warm ~

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 17, 2009
12:49 AM

Post #6014450

Good luck!!!!
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 17, 2009
6:22 PM

Post #6016696

Okay, I could use some more remedial help on how the point system works. I've read the official AKC stuff on points, but it still hasn't sunk in, so I need to talk to REAL PEOPLE about it.

First, let's talk about who is eligible to take home points in a given show. Of course the BoB, but are you telling me that the Winners Dog *AND* Winners Bitch could potentially each get a point(s) in the same show? Or would it be WD *OR* WB gets the point(s)?

I'm trying to get my head around some of this obscure stuff. ;)

Sorry if this is painful -- one day I'll understand this fully. I hope.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 17, 2009
9:07 PM

Post #6017194

The point go to the WD AND the WB The sexes are judged seperate. The dogs are judged and the WD get the point count for the dogs and then the Bitches are judged and the WB gets the points for that sex. Then say the WB gets more points than the WD but the WD goes BW the the WD gets the same number of points as the WB .

Ok here is way it get's a little confusing. It a Champipn goes BOB they do not need or get any points. But if one of the Winners goes BOB than all Champion they beat are counted toward the points. If one of the Winners goins BOS then only the Champions of there sex are counted.

I hope this helps.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 17, 2009
9:48 PM

Post #6017283

Oi vei! Yes, it helps - thanks! But, please don't be surprised if I come back again in the future with more related questions. =)

I had been under the mistaken impression that if, say WB got more points than WD, then if the WD went BW he would *take away* the points from the WB. But, in reality, they both would end up with the same # of points. Sheesh. This stuff is KeeRaZy!

Btw, wren, every time I see a Terv I think of you!!!

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 17, 2009
9:55 PM

Post #6017303

I am glad it helped. I agree about the crazyness! I wish I could get back into showing or at a lease be a ring steward again. Good luck at the shows.
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 18, 2009
3:10 AM

Post #6018329

We did it!! Wings went WD/BW for a 3 point major to finish!!

He is the black and tan dog. This is open class, and the video runs right on into Winners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FZv4f73hOQ

There were 3 points in bitches today, only one point in dogs. Going WD, Wings got one point, by going BW over the bitch, he gets 3 points. Like Wren said, both WD and WB get points. The number is determined by the number of class entries of each sex. If the class bitch went BW, only she would have gotten a major, with Wings getting BW, it kind of like sharing the wealth, they both get majors.

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 18, 2009
3:13 AM

Post #6018341

Holy cow, CONGRATULATIONS!!! That was fast - was this his first show back????

You must be deeeeelighted! Gonna go look at the clip now.

So ... you didn't even need the BOB to get the Major? LOL, I have so much to learn!

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 18, 2009
3:16 AM

Post #6018348

Great going!!!!!!! I know you are on cloud nine.
How many point does he have now???
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 18, 2009
3:21 AM

Post #6018362

He got his CH today, right?

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 18, 2009
3:23 AM

Post #6018376

You need 15 point with 2 majors in there, if you do not get the majors than you have to keep going till you have the majors. In other works you could have 30 point but if you do not have the majors he does not earn the CH.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 18, 2009
3:32 AM

Post #6018404

My understanding has been that you need two majors plus the remaining necessary points, so same thing, said differently, no?

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 18, 2009
3:32 AM

Post #6018406

Yes
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 18, 2009
3:33 AM

Post #6018407

He's finished. He only needed one major to go. He ended up with 18 points.

This is this 3rd time out since the 3 1/2 year break after he had the pancreatitis. First time out in Nov, he got a major reserve, second time he placed, but that was it.

I had him entered at a couple of other shows, but wouldn't show him if it wasn't a major. There's no reason to take singles away from someone who could use them.

I already have him entered both days next weekend, so I will move him up to Specials.
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 18, 2009
3:39 AM

Post #6018427

He is now:

Ch. Summerstorm's Beneath My Wings SC

SC is for Senior Courser, a lure coursing title he earned several years ago. He does also have a few points toward his DC (Dual Championship, for conformation and field CH).

Here's a photo log from his co-owners website.

http://www.geocities.com/top_flite_afghans/Wings.html

It hasn't been updated for years, but I love the baby pictures.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 18, 2009
3:42 AM

Post #6018435

Congratulation!!!!!! You did real good.

Talking about how confusing the point system is you should try to figure out the point system for the Obed Championship title. I am still not sure about that one.

A major reserve?? I am not sure what you mean about that.
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 18, 2009
3:44 AM

Post #6018449

He went Reserve Winners Dog at a show where there was a major in dogs. Reserve is like runner up, it carries no points, but if the WD should be disqualified for some reason, he would get the points.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 18, 2009
3:48 AM

Post #6018458

That's what I thought you mean but never hear it added to the major.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 19, 2009
4:38 PM

Post #6023973

We picked up another point today in WD! =)
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 19, 2009
5:23 PM

Post #6024253

Congratulations!! That is great!! Did you have pictures taken? If you did you'll have to post when you get them!

I thought I had Wings entered next weekend, contacted the superintendent about moving him to specials, and found out that there was an error on my entry, so he isn't entered. I'm really bummed about that. I wasn't planning to special him, but I thought, as he was already entered, we'd go ahead and show. I've had other superintendents call me if there was an error, and I could get it corrected before entries closed. I don't know why Jones didn't call.

Oh, well, I save the two days entry fees.

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 19, 2009
5:41 PM

Post #6024326

Thank you! Yes, I have photos coming - fingers crossed that they actually came out okay. I don't think that we'll be back in the ring until a specialty at the end of Feb.

What a drag about the entry mix up. I wonder if they are the Super' that has a reputation for making mistakes(?). Thought I'd heard that from someone in the mid-west. Well, if you do end up specialing him in the future, keep us posted! Congratulations once again to be Finished. I cannot even imagine how great that must feel. ;)

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 19, 2009
6:09 PM

Post #6024455

Wrightie congratulation. Keep it up.

Deb at lest you found out before going.

Sandy
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 19, 2009
7:33 PM

Post #6024877

I don't know if Jones is known for messed up entries. I've never had a problem with them before. Maybe it was me, but I know with Onofrio, when I messed up an entry they called and I was able to fax them a replacement entry form.

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 23, 2009
9:18 PM

Post #6041706

Guess what just arrived ...

=)

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wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 23, 2009
9:21 PM

Post #6041730

A major??? A Championship??? Or Both!!!!!! Here hoping!!!!!!!
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

January 23, 2009
9:49 PM

Post #6041876

ROFL - our FIRST POINT! He's only 12 months old though and I am a brand new owner-handler, it feels like a HUGE win to us!
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 23, 2009
10:14 PM

Post #6042010

Very nice!!

When's your next show??

Deb

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

January 23, 2009
10:23 PM

Post #6042040

It is a great win specially as a owner-handler.

Sandy
BirdieBlue
Winston Salem, NC
(Zone 7a)

January 24, 2009
2:36 AM

Post #6043146

Oh WOW!!! Congratulations...from a newbie to best of winners with your 12 month old buddy!! You have done well!!
Sheri & Elvis (we do obedience, agility and flyball...well , when he was younger...now Rally is our sport)

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wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 1, 2009
2:35 PM

Post #6078144

Here is an excellent article which is making the breed ring rounds on the internet. Anyone who exhibits, handles, breeds or is interested in purebred dogs ought to read this, imo: http://www.thedogplace.org/Articles/Breeder/0901-Preferred-Type_Gammill.htm

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 1, 2009
3:05 PM

Post #6078275

Good article and unfortunately true.
Cearbhaill
Russell, KY
(Zone 6b)

February 1, 2009
4:20 PM

Post #6078534

Most serious breeders are not the ones producing the BIS "#1 All Breeds!!" type dogs.
The breeders and serious dog people I know show almost exclusively at specialties and skip the all breed venues for this very reason.

Specialty judges, being chosen by a breed committee, are better educated and so have the nerve to put up what is right as opposed to what wins. They are breed specialists, know the standards and what is between the lines, and have a real idea about what the dog is expected to be.

IMO it's the generic judges who know one or two breeds very well and add the rest to be able to do Groups that make these egregious errors. They haven't the confidence to choose what is correct so they go with a big winner, as few folks would fault them for it. They're afraid they would be asked to explain if they put up a no-name, no matter how correct it might be, so they make the "safe" choice.

They are swayed by name handlers, Kennel Review ads, flashy movement, and crowd response. They mistake exaggeration for type. They expect showy personalities no matter what the standard calls for. And they know that their next assignment depends on the entries they drew this time, and that means not making hard decisions.

If you are truly interested in a specific breed, go to a specialty. That's where the really correct dogs are IMO.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 1, 2009
4:29 PM

Post #6078560

In my breed, even the Specialties, unfortunately, run into the same trends mentioned in the article. But, the more people speak/write about this problem, the more likely we will be able to re-focus on breed standards ... I hope.

For me, if a dog cannot "fill the eye" (according to the standard) *AND* move, I'm not interested. I look at horses the same way.

(And, of course it goes without saying that health & temperament are just as important as the standard albeit difficult/impossible to see from inside the breed ring.)
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 1, 2009
4:49 PM

Post #6078642

This is so true.

I know almost any afghan can finish, as long as it has coat, and the right person at the end of the lead.

Politics seems to be playing a bigger part in the dog show game nowadays.

I tend to avoid a lot of the specialties, mainly because the club members choose the judge, and a lot of the time, a club member, or someone they are closely aligned with will win. I look for breeder judges at all breed shows, primarily because there aren't a lot of local afghan breeders that belong to the all breed clubs around here, and I feel I have a better chance there.

We all know about the politics, but still choose to stay in the game, and every now and then, a 'nobody' does really well. The sister to my bitch, Hayley, just got a Group 1st yesterday, owner handled.

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 1, 2009
4:59 PM

Post #6078694

Wow - what a wonderful accomplishment for that owner-handler in Groups! Congrat's!
Cearbhaill
Russell, KY
(Zone 6b)

February 2, 2009
11:55 AM

Post #6081976

Glad I'm in a less popular breed if your specialties are as bad as the all breeds.

Our National Specialty BOB last year was an untitled dog out of Open from a little known breeder who has been working hard for years- gorgeous dog!
An Irish judge was brought in and it was a real treat to watch her work and follow her line of thinking. IMO specialties should be the #1 educational event a breed club puts on, and it is just sad when things go sour due to politics.

Vote out the officers! Get involved. The leadership of the national breed club is the single most important issue within that breed IMO, and these positions need to be held by folks with impeccable ethics and who literally put nothing above the future good of the breed.
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 2, 2009
12:12 PM

Post #6082009

The National is fine, I was referring to the small local specialty shows. Some of the nearer ones to me have less than 10 members, and it seems someone somehow related to one of them always wins, either WD, WB, or Breed.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 2, 2009
12:15 PM

Post #6082010

I am also glad that my breed is not popular.
I am hoping that the down turn in the economy will get the "money" out of it. And it may happen I was talking to some one with a Dobi puppy and he says that the number of Professional handlers in this breed is going down and that he has seen owner handlers win.

On another note. Do not forget that on the 9 and 10 the Westminster dog show will be on .
Here is the schedule go to page 14
http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/2009/show/WKC_2009_judging.pdf
BirdieBlue
Winston Salem, NC
(Zone 7a)

February 6, 2009
4:28 AM

Post #6099994

I have always preferred the Obedience Show world.
The Politics and "snootiness" very prevalent in the Breed ring seem to be nearly absent there. Also the dogs REQUIRE breeding to standard to do extremely well. Without proper structure, the movement cannot allow the dog to do many of the exercises necessary to get to the higher levels of Obedience, Agility, Flyball + tracking and herding. In addition, these dogs have built a relationship with their owner/handler since they Must work as a team.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 6, 2009
4:41 AM

Post #6100036

You won't get any arguments out of me, BB! My intention is for multi-ring competition.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 6, 2009
10:36 AM

Post #6100493

I started off in the Obedience ring. That is one of the many reasons that I get my first Belgian Tervuren . Unfortunately thought my dog is able to do it all, this body of mine now can't
duck_toller
Middleton, WI
(Zone 4b)

February 6, 2009
8:48 PM

Post #6102729

Wren - that's what happened to me. My toller flew through Agility, while I couldn't remember my left-from-my-right and felt like one of the singers in the Temptations with all my arm flailing. If Lily had a younger, more agile partner I'm sure she could have gone much further.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 6, 2009
10:07 PM

Post #6103041

I know longer can run. Beside knowning Andre the demon child he would play silly Terv games in the ring.
picabo
Nashville, TN
(Zone 6b)

February 7, 2009
4:47 AM

Post #6104726

Boy does this bring back memories. I loved showing my dogs. This was my first home bred Champion Lhasa Apso. He won two groups and almost got a BiS. I should have handed him off to a handler and he probably would have taken BiS that day. Poor Judge couldn't have put him BiS with me wearing those pants. LOL But that was in the 60s, quite stylish then. LOL
This is "Kai".
Somewhere I have a color picture, he was a beautiful gold & white Parti Color.

Betty

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wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 7, 2009
12:32 PM

Post #6105189

I have seen worse. For a time I was a ring steward.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 7, 2009
12:59 PM

Post #6105247

Betty, he is very handsome! Love the pantZ, too! ;)

The first dog in my childhood was a shi tzu. I was about 7 or 8 at the time, I think.
Cearbhaill
Russell, KY
(Zone 6b)

February 7, 2009
2:26 PM

Post #6105542

Those pants are tame for the time.
Even as late as the 90's some of the best handlers out there dressed like 1970's golfers.
picabo
Nashville, TN
(Zone 6b)

February 7, 2009
2:45 PM

Post #6105614

We also started out showing Shelties in Obedience. Never tried Agility but it looks fun.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 7, 2009
3:01 PM

Post #6105679

DM and I use to look at the way some dressed more than the dogs.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 7, 2009
6:10 PM

Post #6106567

After obedience class this morning, I drove over to another training club to observe their agility classes. Lucky for us, after the class ended, the instructor asked me to go grab my pup and bring him in to see what he could do. Zeb was great and he had tons of fun! I'm still High as a Kite from the experience. We had the ring to ourselves (no doggie distractions - yay!), she had me drop his lead and try him on the various contacts. I am feeling so proud of him. Now I just need to figure out a way to get out of work early enough to get him into a foundation agility class on Tues nights. Yippeee!!! We're finally starting the FUN stuff. lol

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BirdieBlue
Winston Salem, NC
(Zone 7a)

February 7, 2009
6:46 PM

Post #6106717

Oh how much fun Elvis & I had in Agility & Flyball. Unfortunately I went lame just when he got his Flyball regist. #. Rally is great fun now. Even though I am lame and Elvis is nearly 13 he amazes me and trains me well!!
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 10, 2009
11:17 PM

Post #6121411

Forgive me, please, but I have to vent and get it out of my system:

I Hate Being New to Showing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I entered a 3 day specialty via Info Dog, then was told by a friend that I should have sent the entry in via snail mail directly to show secretaries and saved the nearly $50 in processing fees. GRRRRR. She recommended that I cancel the online entry, so I attempted to do, but never found a way. I.D. told me to contact show secretaries about my predicament. I didn't get much help there either. I sent in the paper enteries and checks to show secretaries (now I've effectively entered and paid twice). Still unsuccessful in canceling the online entry, I issued a Stop Payment on the bank card and let I.D. know what I'd done. Now I have a v/m from I.D. where the woman sounds angry with me; I tried calling her back, but of course it's after hours.

I suspect that I'm going to eat the $100 + bucks in online entry fees when this all could have been avoided if I'd simply understood The Ropes and sent in a paper entry (with no processing fees) from the start.

I HATE BEING NEW!!! First, I've had to deal with cold and rude people at ringside, a very rude handling instructor, and now I'm feeling like some sort of Heel for trying to get out of an online purchase.

Did I mention that I HATE BEING NEW???????????



phew. thanks.
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 10, 2009
11:30 PM

Post #6121466

I can understand your frustration, it's not just because you're new. I've never used infodogs online entry, but have not heard anything good about it. I've only used Onofrio online, and that is easy, I've even canceled entries online.

I've only used the online entries when it is last minute, mainly because of the fees involved.

When do the shows close? If they haven't closed yet, hopefully you can get it handled tomorrow.

Good luck!

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 10, 2009
11:43 PM

Post #6121530

Thanks, Deb. It closes tomorrow and I've confirmed that both show secretaries have my paper entries, so I believe that I'm set there.

I've always used infodogs until now because the fees were so nominal (prior to this specialty), but this experience has caused me to rethink the paper process. Let me ask you this, since you routinely use paper, how do you confirm prior to Closing that the secretaries received your paperwork? Do you call them?



wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
12:03 AM

Post #6121622

***** WESTMINSTER SPOILER ALERT *********


And now for a pleasant note, I just got a message from my breeder to say that a Harlequin won Breed (Danes) at Westminster. Hooray! Not too often that a harl wins at that level.

Oh, and turns out that he's related to my boy, to boot. ;)

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 11, 2009
12:06 AM

Post #6121648

Good going. I always like the Harlequins

wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
12:08 AM

Post #6121654

Truth be told, while I'm very happy to see a harl win, I don't care much for the way this boy is put together.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 11, 2009
12:11 AM

Post #6121669

They have not posted the video yet, so I can not tell if it is just the picture or what
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
12:14 AM

Post #6121676

I've seen him before and don't care for his front.
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 11, 2009
12:16 AM

Post #6121686

That's neat, that the dog related to your boy took breed. A couple of years ago the littermate to one of my boys won the breed at the Eukanuba show, we were all thrilled!

As far as entries go, I just mail early enough that there isn't an issue, I have only had entries miss once in over 30 years of showing. For me, if I'm entering a Roy Jones show, I know I can mail as late as Monday night, if I go to the postal sorting center, and make it before their last pick up of the night, it will get there on time. Any other super, I know I have to have it in the mail by Saturday. Maybe I've just been lucky. Usually I know they got my entry when they cash my check!

Jones and Onofrio are the two primary superintendents in this area, I've dealt with both by phone and e-mail when I've had questions, changed classes, or moved dogs up to specials, and they have both been very helpful. They have both also been great when I forgot to sign entries! They actually called, and let me fax in a signed form.

Deb
threegardeners
North Augusta, ON

February 11, 2009
12:31 AM

Post #6121742

I've read this entire thread, word for word and I must say WOW!! Great dedication and beautiful Critters.

I have to ask one thing, and please don't shoot me...but why? It seems like an awful lot of work and expense to go through...why do you do it?

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 11, 2009
12:44 AM

Post #6121782

It is fun, it is a game, the dog show world very strange but interesting world, with a some very nice,some not so nice and some down right weird people, and you get to do it with your very best friend--your dog
Cearbhaill
Russell, KY
(Zone 6b)

February 11, 2009
12:45 AM

Post #6121784

[quote]Oh, and turns out that he's related to my boy, to boot. ;)[/quote]
The Group 2 Wolfhound is from Owen's co-breeder, too- both are Eagle dogs.
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 11, 2009
12:54 AM

Post #6121818

A chance to show off future breeding stock, hear the latest news and gossip (though a lot of that I get online now adays!), catch up with friends, and see what other breeders are producing.

I show because I love the breed, I love the competition, and the friends I see at shows, and I love to win!!


Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
12:57 AM

Post #6121828

3G, I have to tell you that I've gone my whole life stating adamantly that I would Never show dogs. Heh ... then I happened to bring home a puppy who has the correct color and conformation for showing, so I decided to give myself the personal challenge of trying to handle him in the Breed ring. Turns out that, in spite of the bumpy moments that I've had, I actually enjoy this challenge and it feels pretty good to be out there and up against professional handlers with my own pup. I'm learning lots and the few minor wins that we've had have left me craving more! I hope to pilot him to his Championship now.

I certainly do not wish to get into breeding. I'm just having fun with him.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 11, 2009
12:58 AM

Post #6121829

I really miss my days showing and being a ring Steward As a steward I saw a full range of those that where there. Good judges and some that did not know there right hand from there left. Good handlers and bad. Most of the people I saw where nice, but you could some tell what kind of people they you would being dealing with buy the breed. I hated stewarding in the poodle and the cocker rings.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
1:01 AM

Post #6121843

Cearbhaill, that's wonderful about the Eagle dog! I soooo wish that we had cable right now!

lol, I cannot believe that we still haven't taken the plunge on cable or satellite - I grew up with cable. Aw well, I'll look up the IW videos on the website when I watch Dane results.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 11, 2009
1:04 AM

Post #6121856

wrightie That's why I showed. I enjoyed it, was not interested in breeding, I had a female with a great confirmation but she was messed up in her head. If she liked the judge she showed great but if she did not forget it. She also managed to mess up her back. So I went into the stewarding.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 11, 2009
1:07 AM

Post #6121866

Go to the Westminster kennel club web site and you can watch all the videos. Both breed rings and the Group rings. It is as good as on tv, even have less commercials. LOL
http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/2009/video/breed/index.html
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
1:07 AM

Post #6121867

I learned a ton from volunteering at horse shows, too. It's a great way to pick up the inside scoop, learn what the different judges prefer, and take big leaps forward on the learning scale.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
1:11 AM

Post #6121886

Wren, it's not quite the same because my breeders are watching the telecasts from opposite sides of the country while chatting via conference call -- I want in on that conversation!!! =)

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 11, 2009
1:12 AM

Post #6121896

I understand.
Cearbhaill
Russell, KY
(Zone 6b)

February 11, 2009
2:58 AM

Post #6122307

[quote]Wren, it's not quite the same because my breeders are watching the telecasts from opposite sides of the country while chatting via conference call -- I want in on that conversation!!! =)[/quote]
Some of the best learning experiences I ever had came from watching Westminster broadcasts in a room full of top notch handlers and judges. We novices would just sit back and listen and try and absorb all the knowledge in the room.

I'm not watching tonight- Tivo conflicts :) - but will record tomorrows rebroadcast. I love watching the Working group!
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
3:01 AM

Post #6122321

Argh. I'll drop by your place at the end of the week, C. Will even bring dinner!

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 11, 2009
3:32 AM

Post #6122461

Just remember that you can watch the breed rings on westminsterkennelclub.org The video are getting better each year. My friends stafff female took BOS last year and I get to watch here without all the crowds.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
3:33 AM

Post #6122466

yeah, I've been watching them there for past few years
BirdieBlue
Winston Salem, NC
(Zone 7a)

February 11, 2009
3:50 AM

Post #6122537

Fun, Fun stuff!! and with our best friends to boot!!^_^ I'm a fan of the Non-Sporting group. Having had 2 Dals & 2 Poodles (though 1 was a Toy). I started out in the breed ring with my male Dal. But...when he turned a complete summer-salt during "posing" in an outdoor show-n-go, then wandered all over sniffing in the ring @ our 1st indoor show...we switched to obedience. He had a real problem that required getting neutered,also. the 1st time he smelled a bitch in heat, he got a 14 hr erection that required sedation and catheterizing. hehehe, ..our vet said that unless he was gonna be a full time stud dog, we would be in real trouble...what a stud, but stoped in his tracks...he was a gorgeous boy too, pick of the litter and his ancestors were some of the top dogs in the Dalmatian books at the time. There are so many "roll of the dice" quirks like that that occur too.
But John Henry did great in Obedience and some agility, so...
Congrats to all those related to the Westminster wins!!!
Good luck to all you showing soon, too!

BB
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 22, 2009
9:48 PM

Post #6174893

BB, you are scaring me! 14 hrs, huh? We're showing next wknd and I'm told that someone who will be traveling with us is bringing her bitch who is in heat right now. This will be a *new* experience for my boy and I'm a little annoyed that she's not going to pull her. In fact, she asked for a hotel room next to ours, too. Anyone have any advice for me?

I have another newbie question. This time it is related to the CGC 'title' (not a true title, just a certification, right?). I am sure that I have seen dogs listed in the conformation programs that include the CGC acronym after their names, but I'm not sure if that is kosher. Does anyone here have experience with this?

I'm asking this because we just passed the CGC test and I'd like to know how to handle it when I enter future breed shows. Can I include the CGC in his registered name -OR- should I omit it -OR- will the AKC automatically update his registered name after they receive the paperwork proving that he passed the test?

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 22, 2009
10:04 PM

Post #6174970

Ok on the first about the bitch in heat, I know some handlers will put a little bit of Vicki on the noise, or reather just above the noise where they can not lick it off. It is allowed in the conformation ring or it was to allow a bitch in heat but I agree it is not fair.

Only the titles that are allowed can be listed in the conformation program. There for if it is listed that it is allowed.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

February 22, 2009
10:20 PM

Post #6175030

Vick's vapo rub? Good to know in the event of an (ah-hem) Emergency!

By "conformation program", do you mean for each individual show, or do you mean the AKC website's section on conformation? Is that info. typically found in the individual premiums (clearly, I never had a need to bother reading that before). Gonna go look around ...

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 22, 2009
10:28 PM

Post #6175077

I think both. It is a AKC title so it is allowed. They do not allow any not AKC titles in the AKC show programs. Or they did.

And yes about the Vick's vapo rub. If they can not smell the "B" then they will not know that she is in heat. LOL But then you could of had a female like my girl she make it clear that she did not want any of it, she was in love with my friends Bullmastiff. We use to joke that we would have ended up with a fuzzy bullmastiff or a pug noised Terv. But I never showed her when she was in heat I did not think that it was fair to the other dogs.
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 22, 2009
10:51 PM

Post #6175185

Congrats on the CGC certification. Since CGC isn't a "title" as such, I don't think it should be included as part of his name on the entry form. I did a quick search on the AKC site for recognized suffix titles, and CGC is not listed.

That being said, I have seen people list it. If you include it on the entry form, it will appear in the catalog that way, if you don't it won't. AKC won't automatically update anything. I can enter any of my dogs in a show, and if I forget to list CH or DC or SC the title will not appear in the catalog. They go strictly by the AKC number for crediting points. I've even seen dogs listed in catalogs as UKC Ch, and you know that's a no no!!

As far as dealing with with the bitch in season, every dog reacts a bit different. One of my males is quiet in any situation, the other will whine, and yip, and bark endlessly. Once you're at the motel, I wouldn't worry. He may be more interested than usual in marking everything, but as long as she's in another room, I would think you will be OK.

I live with 2 males and 3 bitches, and while they can be annoying for a time, I really don't have any problems surviving seasons with my sanity intact.

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

March 1, 2009
11:19 PM

Post #6208076

Thanks for the info on CGC & "hormones" ... we ended up not having any problems with the bitch. I kept my boy away from her just to be safe though.

Now. I have news.

After three days of showing at a BIG specialty ... and with me owner-handling, my boy took Reserve yesterday at a (5 point) major. Today, he took Best of Winners for a 5 pt Major!!! He's half-way there! It still hasn't sunk in. I'm on Cloud 9!

=)

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

March 1, 2009
11:32 PM

Post #6208133

GREAT!!!!!!!!! Way to go. I know how you feel. When we get our first Major (BO over a champion with a professional handler) I could not sit still.. Is it a great feeling??
BirdieBlue
Winston Salem, NC
(Zone 7a)

March 2, 2009
4:35 AM

Post #6209413

Wowee!!!! that is sooo great!! Congratulations!!!

Sheri & Elvis
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 2, 2009
12:36 PM

Post #6210069

Congratulations!! Isn't that just the most exciting feeling!! It's always great to get that first major over with. At this rate, he'll be finished in no time!!

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

May 17, 2009
7:55 PM

Post #6561000

We picked up 2 more pts yesterday (WD / BoW; crossed over to get the 2nd pt), plus a Reserve today, so we're inching along. He's now got 9 pts in total. I made so many handling mistakes, I'm feeling very lucky, indeed. =)

Anyone else currently showing?

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

May 17, 2009
8:03 PM

Post #6561047

Congratulation!!!!
Does he have any Majors yet?

Sandy
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

May 17, 2009
8:05 PM

Post #6561056

Yep - one. ;)

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

May 17, 2009
8:06 PM

Post #6561060

Very good.

Sandy
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 17, 2009
8:15 PM

Post #6561103

Congratulations on your win!!

Not showing anyone currently. Looking ahead at shows in November, though, and dreaming!!

The babies will be 6 months on Nov 7th, and we've got a hound specialty a week later!!

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

May 17, 2009
9:41 PM

Post #6561510

Oh, I haven't seen pictures of your litter - where are they??? Congratulations!!!
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 18, 2009
12:02 PM

Post #6563970

Here's a link to the thread I started. http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/985887/

We lost the smallest boy last Tuesday. Hayley wasn't making enough milk, they were all dehydrated, vet gave sub-q fluids, but we just couldn't save him. Everyone is being bottle fed now, and they are all growing quickly. They are now trying to stand, and manage to totter around the whelping box a bit. I could just sit and watch them all day.

Today is my first day back at work, I'm going to take a long lunch and run home and bottle feed again. Hayley does have some milk, but they need the bottle to supplement.

Deb

wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

July 6, 2009
12:25 AM

Post #6782142

Deb, I am sorry for the long delay. As mentioned on your other thread, I'm just so sorry about your losing the little one. I trust that by now, the others are in their new homes? Are you getting any sleep? :)

I have some news. Zeb took his second Major (3 pts) yesterday and it was a wonderful surprise. The judge made us work hard (he's a movement guy), then lined us up and pointed to us out of the line order. No one was more shocked than me that we took WD! LOL Just 2 more points to go and we can then truly focus on the performance rings. Yahoo!

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

July 6, 2009
12:47 AM

Post #6782237

That is GREAT!!!! Congratulation!!!!
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

July 6, 2009
2:54 AM

Post #6782844

Congratulations!! That is wonderful news. With only a couple of singles to go, he'll finish in no time. Have you started any of the performance training? What will you start with, obedience, rally, agility?

Deb
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

July 6, 2009
10:22 AM

Post #6783527

Thanks, Wren & Deb!

Yep, I've done basic obedience classes with him since he was 3 mos. old and he's got his CGC. We also took a foundation agility class and we just started a Rally class last week. I will focus more on Rally for the time being because I'm hoping to get his R. Novice title at our nat'l specialty in Oct. We're - hah - really not very good with maintaining a loose lead and attention when there are distractions around us, so I've got my work cut out for me!

I'll take a few private agility classes just to keep a toe in until we can focus on it primarily. He loves the contacts and jumps, so if I can actually channel his focus, etc., he should do well eventually.

Have you ever done tracking? That's something I'd like to learn more about...

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

July 6, 2009
11:20 AM

Post #6783632

I have done a little bit of tracking. Ran in to the problem of finding places to practice, plus I went to work before day light so could not get out there early. If you have a dog that loves food it easy to get them started. LOL

Sandy
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

July 6, 2009
11:23 AM

Post #6783638

I've only done conformation, lure coursing, and basic obedience. I had a bitch back in the 80's that was #3 afghan in the country in obedience. There aren't many afghans competing in many of the obedience, rally, agility type events. I need to get Willow trained. We went through a beginning obedience class a couple of years ago, I need to get a CD on her. Our parent club gives an award for anyone who gets conformation Ch., Field Ch, and a CD in obedience. We're 2/3 of the way there, so I figure it's worth a shot. I just need the time to devote to her.

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

July 6, 2009
12:20 PM

Post #6783770

I really appreciate(?) any one who can get titles of the unusual breeds. My friend get a CD on her Champion Bull Mastiff. I once watch some one with an Afghan in the obedience ring was very funny as every few steps the dog would jump up and grab her with it's paws. I have seen Bloodhounds in Utility, a English Bulldog in open and that also was very funny. He was enjoying his self but he knocked over the last board of the broad jump and he stopped looked at it, then at his person, back at the board, then looked at the judge and then looked around at all the people as if asking us if we had seen what that "bad" board had done. Oh and I have seen rescue greyhounds in Utility also

Sandy
momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

July 6, 2009
12:32 PM

Post #6783809

I went through so much before my Lindy ever got her CD title. I decided that I wasn't going to enter the "real" shows until she qualified at an obedience match. Well, I eventually gave up that idea, and she always scored in the 190's at the trials. She never once had a qualifying score at a match.

We did countless recalls where, when I would call, she would sit and look around, and pretend she never heard me. I did many off lead heel exercises, where she sat at the start point and laughed at me, while I went through the entire routine alone. For the long down, she would start out like all the other dogs, and she would never interfere with them, but would have herself completely turned around and facing the opposite direction before the exercise was over, without ever getting up. She was usually good for a laugh from the crowd, though there were times I was so embarrased!

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

July 6, 2009
1:04 PM

Post #6783922

That is what you will also get from a Terv. They think it is fun to get every one laughing. They either do great or have a fun time. LOL
soldiersong
North Plains, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 6, 2009
3:26 PM

Post #6784580

I just found this thread.

Yes, we show Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers. Our newest puppies are just about six months. One of them will make his sure to be comic debut in the ring in a couple of weeks. Here is Cody.

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soldiersong
North Plains, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 6, 2009
3:28 PM

Post #6784592

After Cody goes to his new home in England in November (we have kept him here to allow him to enter England without quarantine) we will begin to show the boy we are keeping with us. Fitz is his call name.

Fitz is doing obedience training while awaiting his turn in the show ring. He will be shown in both conformation and obedience.

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wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

July 6, 2009
3:33 PM

Post #6784613

Love the puppies. I like the wheatens
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

July 13, 2009
11:39 PM

Post #6815951

Momcat, Wren, that's so cool that you've got experience in those other venues -- I hope to follow in your footsteps. It's hard to know what we'll be any good at or enjoy until we try it, so my fingers are crossed that I can get some titles one day. ;p

Soldiersong, Cody is gorgeous! I always turn my head when I see Wheatens at the shows - such lovely dogs. I'd love to hear the latest on taking dogs into the UK; I know that they were relaxing the laws back around the time that HK went back to China, but I'd lost track. My hubbie is a Brit', so we hope to one day return. Is there no quarantine on that side any longer?

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

July 14, 2009
12:29 AM

Post #6816184

If your dog has its rabies shots, I think there is not quarantine now. After the Chunnel (?) open there was no longer any way to make sure that they kept rabies out of the UK.
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

July 14, 2009
12:39 AM

Post #6816219

Hmmm, I understand the rationale behind it, but I lived in the UK even after the Chunnel had opened and the quarantines were still in place for domesticated animals (not livestock), regardless of rabies vaccines. Even after HK changed hands and all of the ex-pats were returning to the UK, the quarantines were still in place. I need to look up the current regulations...
wrightie
Metro DC, MD
(Zone 7a)

July 14, 2009
1:30 AM

Post #6816354

Here we go: http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/pets/procedures/owners.htm

Boy, have times changed within the past 10yrs!

wren107

wren107
Jacksonville, FL
(Zone 8b)

July 14, 2009
1:32 AM

Post #6816360

It has only been a couple of years. Now dogs from here can show at Cruffs. I have a friend that was invited to take her staffie over there to the show.
soldiersong
North Plains, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 29, 2009
2:01 PM

Post #6879612

One of the puppies from our last litter is going to live in England. He was born in January and can't go home until November if we want to avoid having to quarantine him. We had to titer test him after his rabies shot, then wait six months and titer test him again. Also, we have to send him with a Home Again microchip reader because that is not the system used by England and if they cannot read his chip he has to be in quarantine despite all the efforts at this end.

We sent semen to England a few years ago. First permission had to be given by the Kennel Club, which took almost two years. Then he had to be tested for all sorts of things, including Mad Cow Disease. He had to have a special rabies shot and then be titer tested. The semen was then collected and frozen and placed in quarantine in the U.S. Six months later the dog was titer tested again and then the semen was allowed to go to England.

It is interesting that, had I been willing to take him to England for the breeding he could have just flown in on a pet passport, bred the bitch and come home again.

BirdieBlue
Winston Salem, NC
(Zone 7a)

July 29, 2009
9:01 PM

Post #6881385

What a hoot!!

No wonder we left for America way back when!

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