It's heading toward springtime, I have a brand new yard to plant, and I'm looking for ideas. Who wants to show off their shade garden?!
Let's get some shade garden pictures posted here for a little spring rejuvenation and inspiration.
I moved into a new house last fall and didn't have time to do much of anything before the weather was too cold for planting. But I did manage to at least pull together some plants for this tiny part-shade patch. Here it is freshly planted last year...
Gorgeous threegardeners and CountryGardens! Are those tons of impatiens in the last photo? For some reason I've never had luck growing them in my container plantings (silly, I know), but I really should try them in my shade beds this year.
The impatiens are 2007. The other things were planted in 2008. No impatiens!
It was hard picking a picture, to many shade gardens, not enough good pictures.
Back part of this is the one with the new Hostas. To the right is the picture I posted by mistake.
Here's my garden that needs some color. I have planted impatiens in the past, and they are beautiful, but I'd like a perennial. Are there any caladiums that don't have to be pulled and stored in zone 7b? We've trimmed trees since this picture, and I'm going to have to wait until they leaf out to see if I've still got full shade, or if I could consider it partial.
They are so old, we don't know what they are. Definitely need to be redone this year. I will dig & divide, then pot up the extras & sell them cheap.
Did I hear you were going to KY RU. I could bring some there.
Wish I could, but no. If you decide you want to mail (bareroot) a couple, please dmail me. I particularly like the one on the far left. Sure wish we new the names.
I have never had plants in our back yard so I am wanting to do a hosta garden in the back since it is so shady. People who lived here before us, didn't have anything. Not even grass. :( I am starting from scratch.
"scratch" sure would be nice! I would really look for the best layouts and really plan.. When I started I knew absolitly nothing and just stuck plants in the ground. Now I really want to move lots of things ar ound for the texture effect. I may this summer. Huchreras of all colors by the hostas. That looks really pretty and interesting. Big clusters of hostas. Yellows and stripes and green. I really love the yellow and lemons colors for hostas. Bought several of them last summer. Smiling. Can't wait to see them! Ronna
Ronna, we have a small pond going in close to the tree we got each other for valentine's day. :)
Our 5 year anniversary is the 20th of this month (first day of spring) and we promised that we would work on this to make the house more of a home. :)
Our boys have never been able to come out here because of all of the mud. Kinda sad really.
The main plan is to install the small pond (100 gallons) buy as many hostas & ferns we can afford and keep going from there. We have alot of stone already to build a few steps and to go around the pond. Basically we lack good weather, time, and plants galore. lol
I'll definitely send you some Hostas. I have some left from a couple plants I divided last year, if they made it through the winter. Also have some that I planted to close together. I need to move them around so there will be some extras there too.
What do you mean, make a plan ? I have been here since 1982 & only stick things where there is a little hole. Fall of 2007, I made an Iris bed, since I got a ton of plants from Round up's. I have about 20 kinds of plants in there now.
Last fall I bought Iris on a Co-op here & needed to burn off another patch of grass for them. Then I hosted a RU here & a DG member from Twin Cities brought odels of them. Of course I needed some of them, too. More plants will mean more burned off lawn.
Like one DG'er said at the RU, not much future in grass!
I am planning on a new pond with a stream & waterfall this summer. At least get started on it.
This is the crowded Hosta Bed.
Bernie - that is just beautiful! Everything looks so happy there.
Yes, please when the time comes, just Dmail me with your price & address & I can send you money however you like - PayPal, check, money order or whatever.
Thanks again! I can't wait for spring!
Bernie's gardens are beautiful...planned or not. Another big thank you Bernie for hosting the Fall RU at your home. It is always a great time with great plants, great food and gracious hosts.
Here is one of my beds in early June 2008. By the end of the summer it is much more filled in. It lies between the house/deck on terraced beds, and off of the pic to the right is a steep drop down to the lake.
I'm very pleased with the result, but a real bugger to work in. A friend thought that you'd need to be part mountain goat to garden in that spot. There is a 5 foot high retaining wall just off to the right of the pic.
Here's a link to a good Deer repellent. http://www.treeworld.com/
I tried it a couple years ago when deer were giving me fits. I had a spray bottle. Couples shots to each plant & the problem stopped immediately.
It's for sale at a lot of garden centers. I just used this web site to show what it is.
I like baby tears, doss. Hard to believe such a teeny little plant is capable of taking over. I think I am going to get rid of my golden creeping Jenny this year (or try to)...people tell me it doesn't kill the plants it grows around, but I'm still nervous because of the aggressive spread rate. Mine is with Japanese Ferns and hosta, and I don't see how the fern can push up thru it.
Kayly, I wish I knew why (about the corydalis) I think it may be water, last year we had a very wet spring and there were more seedlings than normal. I do not normally water the shade garden behind the house unless it is exceptionally dry.
The yellow do much better than any of the other colors, I was successful with it for about six years.
Weerobin, that's one beautiful planting of Syneilesis! We've had it planted in one spot by the front door but the dog trampled it last year. Hoping it recovers and springs back to life this year, but we're doubtful :( Where did you buy yours? We've been desperately looking for more and did place an order with Hillside Gardens last year but it's hard to find!
Wow, I really like that Aruncus...I've always avoided it because of it's large size, but that cultivar sounds perfect for my small garden. I prefer the airier astilbes, so that really appeals to me. Now I have to figure out where to squeeze it in!
That Syneilesis is really cool looking too, Weerobin.
Noreaster, that is a beautiful combination! Astilbes seem to hate me, but I've thought of trying aruncus to see if it fares better. I definitely like that feathery look, and the large size isn't a problem for me. I've got plenty of space, just not lots of light.
Weerobin, your shady grasses look lovely. I've had good luck with liriope, so I'll likely try that again--looks nice pretty much all season, and I think it's cute in bloom. It's also, at least in my experience, not at all picky about soil and seems just about impossible to kill. You've gotta love that in a plant!
Noreaster - what a beautiful garden. I love astilbes too and although they don't bloom long, their texture is a lovely contrast to the hostas.
Weerobin. That's a beautiful combo with the Japanese Blood Grass. I love that stuff too.
I agree with KaylyRed! Astelbies seem to hate me also. But the Goats beards really go wild in my yard. Love them. Mine has gone to town! Divided them three times now. Nothing coming up in my yard yet. Oh I do have crocuse open yeah! And daffy and tulips coming up also. ;) Ronna
RCN, I'm not sure where I got my syneilesis. It's been several years ago.
I saw it listed this year by Plant Delights and Keep It Green nurseries.
By the way, I just ordered from Keep It Green for the first time this year.
Their plants came early, bare root.
Frankly, caught me a little off-guard, but I got them in the ground this past weekend.
(We just happened to have a decent weather weekend - the first gardening of the season for me...
I had a blast!)
I've always been leery of bare root plants, especially requiring early planting.
But these were very handsome plants with really big root systems; I have a really good feeling they'll do well.
I plan to order from them again next year.
Weerobin - thanks for posting about http://www.keepingitgreen. com. I've never heard of them and they're in Washington. There are several things here that I've been looking for.
Beautiful and inspirational shade garden views, everybody. I have really avoided more hostas because of the slugs I have - I just can't keep ahead of them. I saw 4 slugs today for the first time. One native, that supposedly only eats decaying matter and three of the European. Those tiny ones can clean a newly budding plant out before they're big enough to see. Arghhh!!
Thanks for the link - I've already emailed them about the Syneilesis but haven't heard anything yet. Price is better than Plant Delights :) I'm not crazy about receiving bare root plants either, but since it's still early in the season I should have time to get them potted up!
We put a small 30 gallon barrel pond in several years when the tree was smaller!! Now the roots have lifted one side of the pond. So consider situating it a good distance from any tree base or major roots. We wanted a larger concrete pond, but the installer said if we went with a larger one that close to the oak tree, there was a good chance it would harm the tree now if not later.
If you sink it into the ground, level with sand/gravel and line the bottom with concrete squares for bottom support for walking in to clean, and fill in the sides with larger gravel and sand. The other consideration is cleaning and draining when installing and landscaping around it. How and where to drain and/or clean it. Under a tree and you will be cleaning regularly!!!!!
Other than that, use your imagination. Start with lots of ferns, hostas and indigenous bog/creek plants. Corkscrew Rush grass makes a nice addition in or around the pond.
Sluggo, sluggo, sluggo, or any of the organic snail and slug baits with iron phosphate. Green light used to make one that was cheaper in price... The best stuff out there when used routinely. Once you get them under control with this bait, your fears and problems will disappear. It can also be ordered in bulk (10-25 lbs) online even cheaper.
Hellibores for sure, but they are slow to establish. Plant a Japanese Maple. Louisiana Iris make a nice background, and can give the appearance of grasses.
Here's a pic of my pond and shade area from today.
That's a beautiful shady sanctuary you've got there, chuck7701! I have zone envy at the moment. All I see here is brown and more brown. And today it's raining, so the brown foliage has a backdrop of gray sky.
Thanks, Chuck. I'm going to go broke trying to get rid of these slugs. LOL. It's nice and wet here and they love it. I have 4-5 inch slugs crawling up the side of the house in warmer winters. At least this year it was cold - I hope that got rid of a lot of eggs.
I heard the coffee grounds spreak on the top of the ground helps and that Kmart sells a slug bait with the same ingredients as Sluggo. I'm going to check it out.
Nice picture, Chuck. I cleared off an area by a rotting stump this weekend (ranunculus repens is rampant, as are our native salal and dewberry and the introduced himalayan blackberry. I'll post pictures this week to get ideas for planting from you all.
katie59 - Slugs - you will need to treat the first time heavy, or lightly two nights in a row. Repeat one application again in three weeks to break the egg cycle, and again in three weeks. Once you break that cycle it is easy to eliminate virtually all of them. I usually treat about ten feet into my neighbors yard as well.
I only lightly treated twice last summer early spring and august, and several years ago I had them so bad large Marigolds disappeared overnight, and you couldn't set a beer on the ground. As long as the main ingredient is iron phosphate. Naturally occurring in the soil, just not in high enough quantities to affect them. Disrupts the digestive system and they die in three days.
Doss - Thanks, the Stagmeister wouldn't cooperate to turn and smile for the camera. Just moved it to that side from the right, and still working on adjusting the chain to get it to face the back patio. Two years ago the basket got top heavy, busted the original small chain, so I started hanging it sideways. Started it from two little sprigs about 7years ago - it does favor that shady spot.
Kalyred - And I thought I had zone envy for the Florida year round growing climate! Would much prefer not having the winter freeze/summer heat wave to deal with. Waiting for all the rest of the summer plants to shoot up now.
I will never forget the first time we went to my husband's family's cabin near Quilcene, WA. Fluorescent orange and green slugs 6" long! At least I assume they were slugs, although a lot more attractive than our much smaller, slimy dirt colored ones.
Shade beds are some of my favorites. Like doss, we have a sloping urban lot. Two mature trees and a long north-facing side created large partial sun/bright shade beds. There's a French drain alongside the house so the bed shown here is only 4' wide.
This is the north side of the house, upper bed, a few years ago. Late last year I reworked it, so it's currently a work in progress:
At groundlevel, many plants are fighting it out. I overplant, so have to prune back regularly. Here the brunnera fights to keep its head above the bacopa and plectranthus, while bearded iris and alstroemeria foliage add some nice contrast in shape. This bed is so shady the alstroemeria almost never flowers, but the variegated foliage is so pretty, I keep it where it is:
The lower second bed on the north side has to live on run-off from above. I use soaker hoses, with an occasional hand-watering for the new plants I'm always putting in, LOL. I may have posted this one before - I love the combination of bearded iris, rosy oxalis siliquosa, and variegated aucuba:
The next set of photos is in the lowest part of our property. It's shaded by two mature trees, a walnut and a maple. Thus, it gets winter sun but summer shade. The trees suck up moisture and nutrients in summer, and to make it worse it's the coldest area during our rainy winters. All of these make for hard conditions; even broom (cytisus) has had to struggle here.
"Shade" in CA, even Northern CA, can be misleading. It's more like 'partial sun' elsewhere, because the UV index is so high here. Even our cloudy days can be very bright indeed! So the nasturtiums keep blooming in this area even into early summer, because the trees start to leaf out by May, keeping the soil cool enough for them to survive. Here they are in all their early glory, though - a previous April:
I really love lamium maculatum but it just isn't xeric enough to survive our dry summers without help, and our chilly winter rains make it retreat so drastically that it's failed to return for me after a couple of winters, despite my planting it in several places. I really love the "Pink Dragon" form of it, though, so I may try it in a pot to see if that will help it survive:
doss - I have a variegated lamium that I can't get rid of. I literally stuck one piece in the ground (I had ripped it off from a piece at my brother's). When I learned the next season that it did too well here, I started to take it out. I'm still ripping. I think it loves our moisture here . . .
Smokey, the New Guinea impatiens can take some sun, but I think it's warmth that really keeps them around. Thus it can be difficult around here because our nights cool off so drastically. I have an Impatiens sodenii and it's in full shade.
Katie59, your lamium may be lamium galeobdolon, Yellow archangel. It is handsome, but also an extremely aggressive variety of lamium and considered invasive in some areas. Other lamiums, including all the maculatum varieties, are very well-behaved in contrast.
Yellow archangel - eek - that sounds scary. I think you've convinced me to pull with renewed vigor. Of course now it's battling it out with the Bishop's weed in one spot in the bed - I'd better be careful or between them they'll get us all . . .
I have seen it in other wetland areas in the woods around me and I see from the following article that is had, indeed, become a problem in these parts.
jkom51, your post #6323938 got me thinking very differently about the "deep shade" under my 40+ year-old Fruitless Mulberries. I've several seriously neglected azaleas in the bed, but that's pretty much it. Lord knows how they've survived the neglect; lack of water, feeding, pruning, but survive they have, with even an occasional.
I simply haven't known what to do with it, assuming that nothing will grow in that "deep shade." Well, your post, jkom51, really spun my thinking around. Nevertheless, I said to myself, it's deep shade, running off to my thread in the beginner's landscaping forum to grab my photo of the space to prove to you that it is "deep shade." Aaaah, but it's not deep shade, is it? See it here: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5537482 .
Moreover, even if it never saw a speck of sun on the surface, you taught me that it derives some benefit from the "light." Then there's the character of this tree's root system; large, heavy, with mind-numbing webs of bright orange hair roots sucking up any moisture in the ground. An arborist assessment of the trees 20-or-so years ago advised me that the trees are likely in the water table, thus not requiring surface water any longer. So, I "grew" my concrete patio on the eastern side of the concrete block fence, no longer inviting them to visit beyond that fence.
So, a huge thank-you to all of you for the lessons in your posts. I'll include your wonderful forum in my design briefcase and be back to ask questions, if you're willing. You are awesome!! I'll lurk and learn and be back.
Your right, that is not deep shade, you have some sun coming in...so you can grow lots of things. The first suggestion is to do something with that concrete block wall. Paint, stucco, anything to take away the block effect and blend with the house exterior. That alone will add tremendously to the look of your future garden.
Your probably right about the feeder root problem. Take a section of the area and cut out or dig up those fine roots. Lay some of those stones in the background down. Check back in a few months to see if the fine orange feeder roots come back. This will give you an idea of what to expect, and what will or will not grow.
If they do come back like I suspect, then you will have to go with plants that have a woody type root. Holly ferns will do well, at least they do around the base of my oaks. Hardier type ferns and the like. Plants like hostas, certain high moisture ferns, and perennials plants with a softer root tissue that require water will be your worst enemy.
I think you do need to work on soil nutrition and organic matter. Those mulberry trees are heavy feeders and pull nutrients and moisture from the top soil. Start with a deep feeding for the trees. Look up how to root feed trees around the drip line. The ground looks bare, so mulch heavily and lay a stone walkway on top to start amending the soil now. Fertilize with a good balanced brand with a good iron and sulfur content.
If you want to start using organic fertilizer, start with a 50-50 mixture of organic and synthetic. The next time cut back to 25% synthetic, 75% organic. On your 4th feeding it should be all organic. Takes about a year to kick start an organic cycle, after that use synthetics sparingly as it upsets the organic cycle if too much is used.
Tour your area, visit landscaped homes, nurseries, and see what grows well in similar conditions. Finding the right plant for the right conditions is 3/4 the battle of easy gardening.
doss, I had my gardener bring in a few cubic yards of top quality compost from the Davis St. Recycling Center run by Waste Mgmt. It's great stuff for the non-edible garden. Just dumped it atop the tired clay soil, keeping it away from the trunks, and planted container plants. Some plants have had trouble near the walnut but I think that's mostly to do with the fact it really sucks away all the moisture in the soil! The compost, lots of organic fertilizer and mulch really help.
Confession: once the nasturtiums and oxalis fade away, there's definitely bare spots that need filling in, LOL.
Those are really pretty, Weerobin! I'm afraid the shade I have in back might be a little too heavy, but it could be worth a shot. Alas, my lot has 3 large maple trees along the south side that want to block out most of the sun. Fortunately I have some part-sun along the north privacy fence or I'd go crazy. :)
Weerobin I love those woodland peonies! Im having lots of zone envy right now with all these georgeous photos. I look out my window and see nothing. I do have the ligularias coming up. That is great. A few daffys, I don't think to much more... Snowy and cold today. Ronna
Doss, that maple really doesn't get any direct sun at all?
I have one corner near the house I'd like to put something shrubby...but it's in the shadow of the house all day. Not dark shade, but no real direct sun at all. I was just wondering how many options there were for that scenario.
The ground cover is baby's tears. Yes, that whole planting area gets no direct sun. I'm not sure that butterfly would survive in your zone but there are other maples that would stand up for you. You might want to ask on the Japanese Maple forum. There are people who grow JM's in your zone there. You could ask there what trees might fit your space too. I have a number in pots that only get very dappled shade and they do fine there. I know that the hellebores would work and you can find another type of fern that would grow there.
doss, I have seen Butterfly for sale at several nurseries here...I even bought a little baby one to use in a container (because I love yours so much- I've seen you post it's pic before). Mine will never get to be like yours, of course, but it seems to have lived thru the winter in it's buried container...and it was pretty cold one. The guy at the nursery where I bought mine said he's had one in his garden for years (or so he says!;)) I guess I have to worry about the buds, though, if we get a freeze this month or next?
I wasn't actually thinking about a maple for the spot I mentioned...I need something lower and fuller, like a hydrangea or even just some perennial with some height and fullness. Just didn't know how those would do with absolutely NO direct sun at all.
Yes, I've seen some viburnums in nurseries, but most of the ones I saw (when I was looking for something to use as a screen, against the fence) were larger. I'm looking for something 3-5 feet in height, I think.
Doss, I've always been tempted by that darker Liguaria, but I keep hearing about major slug issues with that, which scares me. Acanthus is something I don't recall seeing up here...I'll have to look that up. Anyone grow Rodgersia?
Weerobin, you're teasing me with those beautiful Peonies! LOL I've got several 'rock garden' type Peonies to plant in my new garden but P. japonica and P. obovata would look even nicer :)
doss, I've been admiring your gardens ever since I joined DG and your photos continue to inspire me :)
Noreaster, Butterfly might make it for you - I remember seeing my first Butterfly Maple years ago in a garden at a nursery near Castine and they've got to be colder than you, probably Z5a? I was so taken with it and years later when I met DH, told him the only reason I fell in love with him was because he had Butterfly in the landscape! LOL Not sure if Viburnum would do well if there's no "direct sun"? They'd live but you might not have as many flowers. Two of my favorites that don't get real tall are Viburnum 'Conoy' http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/84418/ and Viburnum lantana 'Variegatum' http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/84452/. Conoy has lustrous glossy foliage and incredibly fragrant flowers. Most reports say 4'-5' but some I've seen used in landscapes are only about 3' - it's possible they were pruned to keep them shorter. Variegatum doesn't have the sweetly fragrant flowers but the contrast of the red berries in the fall is spectacular with the variegated foliage! I've seen VV's comments in PF and I totally disagree with him - I think it's just a "male" thing because DH feels the same way -not me, I love the variegation :) Ours has been in the landscape about 4-5 years now and is less than 4' tall. I looked for my photo but darned if I can find it this morning! I think it's too cold for Acanthus to work for you :( We're Z6a and we have a tough time keeping it alive here. Now Rodgersia, YES! I have it growing in the gardens but not nearly as spectacular as it was when growing in my Maine gardens. I took a division of my original plant to my in-laws' summer place in Michigan. I know it actually prefers moist soils but I also know where it's planted in Michigan and it's thriving even with the competition of the trees it's planted under AND my MIL's neglect of the poor thing! LOL I think it's just much happier with the cooler temperatures :)
dahlianut, Actaea is a plant that just confounds me. I have a few different cultivars in my garden- Brunette, Hillside Black Beauty, and Atropurpea (sp). The Atro and HBB are planted together in the shade, and will be four years old this season. HBB just does not seem to grow at all! It flowers, but the height is not there...Atro towers over it. But Atro hasn't put on a lot of fullness, either. Maybe this will be the year for that one. I like it, but I think I want something with more density for this particular spot near my house.
I planted Brunette in a more dappled light location ( a little more direct sun than the other two cultivars), and it promptly turned an ugly shade of green and many of the leaves continued to shrivel and die all season, despite lots of water. I just don't know what Actaea wants to be happy!
They are really slow to establish I know. Mine have suffered from our drought conditions these last years too. What about a shorter dogwood? Some are in your height range. I have a 'Halo' in full shade and its establishing well.
I don't have slugs. I think they'd get their butts frozen off here. Seriously they're here, just not in my garden. I haven't heard of them being a problem with ligularia before. Thanks Doss for that info. I'll pass it along (to gardeners, not slugs).
That dogwood is very pretty...and yours gets no direct sun?
Doss, Sluggo stops working for me by mid season...either I can't keep up with the chipmunks eating it all, or the slug population in my yard is just too formidable by mid summer.. I have the ideal conditions for them, with all the rocks to hide under, and there is no way to change that. I'm going to put out more chipmunk proof traps this year, baited with Sluggo Plus.
Reminds me of the time my nephew confessed that he picked out the most tasty things from the Scrabble mix. Of course, I thought he was referring to the nuts. Turns out he was picking out the pretzel sticks. I told him to go right ahead, that I didn't think anyone would care . . .
The Squirrels aren't realizing that they're hoarding the iron phosphate granules. Ew!
Noreaster, a lot of the Viburnums have incredible fragrance (i.e. V. carlesii, V x burkwoodii, etc) but then there are some, like the V. lantana 'Variegatum' mentioned that "almost" stink! The fragrant Viburnums are delightful in the gardens but you don't have to worry about those that tend to "stink", you'd have to get real close to detect any fragrance :) I have problems with the Actaea here :( After three years in the gardens they've finally established nice clumps - look gorgeous in the spring but by the time they get ready to bloom the heat here really knocks them down. I'm experimenting with different areas trying to find a spot where they'll actually thrive and bloom but haven't been successful - yet!
lol, thanks. But, you have some pretty neat things over your way too! However, I do agree about the fawn lilies... I think that they're one of the best of our natives! I bet that they we grow over your way down to zone 6, not sure about zone 5 though. That's tough.
thanks. I don't think that they do so well in your heat Doss. :-( I just checked on their hardiness and it's zones 3 -9, but I've Never seen them growing in warm spots, only cool shady ones. However, maybe you would have luck with erythronium californicum instead of sp. oreganum????
I found this unique very old church pew all broken up on the side of the road in the country & put it all back together again this weekend.
A friend told me it was a pice of junk & a waste of time, but not anymore!! bet they are all jealous now. lol It's just fabulous back here!!
These old barrels were piled in a corner at my MIL's house doing nothing so I figured I'd add to the old-rustic charm the backyard has now.
I built a central raised bed in the one shade area using field stones. I actually found an animal grave there, left by previous owners, and did not want to disturb it. But, since I couldn't dig in it either, I raised it up about a foot so I could plant. Here's what the result looks like now.
Kristy, what an awesome piece of work (or is it pieces?) I often see shade gardens under the canopy of trees and wonder how these gardeners manage to water them in such a way as to 1) keep the smaller plants sufficiently moist, and 2) avoid roots rising? My only tree experience is with Fruitless Mulberries and that has taught me about invasive larger roots, as well as a multitude of hair roots sucking all of the moisture out of the ground.
My solution to all of these problems on the opposite side of a concrete block fence was to cover the ground under the tree and beyond with concrete, as is shown here. I keep ground-planted vegetation to a bare minimum (no pun intended) and live with a variety of pots of all sizes, including 1/2 of an old iron ocean float about 4 1/2 feet across with a rose tree planted therein.
Kristy, nice to see this thread bumped and look at all your hard work! Impressive what you've done with the area and I love how you incorporated the pond into the slope with the Hostas. I really like all the extra little "touches" - watering can, potted plants on the bench and birdhouse - and the church pew is perfect :)
Great job Kristy. When I first saw your garden I thought, 'what a huge job'. I'm so glad that you weren't intimidated by it and really took it in hand. Hat's off to you - and laying your own sod too, even with the "help" of a friend. :-)
Thanks everyone. It's been a lot of fun really. I did that one long bed on the left in one day, then planted the next. I was on a roll that week!! lol
And yes, I have been buying plants like crazy, but only because I needed to & that was soooo much fun!!! I got great deals though so that was nice.
It's been amazing to see all my neighbors & friends coming over to see what I am up to everyday. lol They are wondering what is going on everytime I back the truck in. I guess they know I have a load of something or another. lol
The fun is not over yet as we are starting the deck this week. Dh has some nice plans. Nothing fancy, but will be for us.
We are going to do a 'floating'/'low profile' style, maybe 1 step up, curved around the pond to have a slight 'overlooking' of it and squared off all the way to the wall. You can see the shaping in the pic. On the other side there is junky stuff to throw out. Jeep mudding tires, raggedy trailer, etc. That stuff has got to go!!
I still have to pressure wash the dirt/mud off the house & fill in a few holes where some bushes were I had just planted. (They were not happy in so much shade!!) I gave them to the girl that helped me lay the sod. She has full sun at her place.
Will post more pics as progress continues. Will be a busy weekend for us!! YAY!!
I am new at sending images, so please bear with me. I took a couple of pics this grey afternoon and will try to download them. I tried to download five, but only one is here. This is my garden next to the Merrimack river. I am particularly happy about my Canada lilies this year. Right now the garden is all yellow with the Stellas and the Happy Returns and Ennie Weenie, plus a yellow perennial digitalis and a rogue Rudbeckia.
I'm also happy that my baby Kousa dogwood is in 'bloom'; the bracts have lasted more than a month. I will see if I can download.
You can only do one photo per post, but you can string together posts with no problem.
I like it! I'm all for impact and lots of color (sometimes in the PNW, we need something to stand out from the year-round green and gray-blue), but in your case, I like the softness of the greens and yellows. It's soothing and natural looking, but not wild and untended natural. It definitely draws you in for a meander . . .
Camellias can almost grow and bloom in the dark and azaleas will bloom well in shade that is bright but no direct sun. I find that I have better luck in general with kurume azaleas and sasanqua camellias.
hellnzn11 - Now that you mention it, when I was a kid I planted some sunflowers in a concrete planter box outside my grandmother's house. I dug some seed out of the birdseed mix. The planter was shaded by a huge maple, plus it was under the eaves of the house. Thinking back, it may have gotten a teeny bit of morning or late afternoon sun, but I think it's pretty unlikely it got much at all. My grandma used to plant annual geraniums there, and I remember she was always disappointed that they didn't bloom much. (She wasn't much of a gardener, herself.)
Well, the little seeds I buried as a kid surprised us all by growing into enormous sunflowers. I remember them being so tall that they looked like they had to scrunch down to fit beneath the porch roof. But those sunflowers were the first plants I ever grew, and I think maybe I got my gardening bug right then and there. I was no more than 5 or 6 years old.
My shade garden is now three years old. With hostas, ferns, hellebores, azaleas, I've filled a small condo garden...the drama has to come from focal points (like this lantern) and other objects to catch the eye.
I meant to send you a Dmail Pigweed12 when I saw your name/location as a new subscriber - Welcome to DG! I see that you found your way to one of my favorite forums :) You'll have to visit us in the Mid-Atlantic forum http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/region_mida/all/. We used to have a few members from the Richmond area who posted there regularly - the more the merrier!
The photos of your garden are beautiful but I'd much rather look at without all the snow. Anxiously awaiting spring here :)
Oh Hoosier that is so pretty. What are the blueish grassy looking things? They probably don't grow here in the desert. I have some pretty dense shade on the north side of my house where the two Fruitless Mulberry trees are taken over and pretty dense, the morning sun is somewhat blocked by a cargo container that we use as a shed and a part of a wall for our yard. Like someone else in California said, the UV index here is so high that our dense shade is probably like your part shade.
Pigweed, your garden is lovely - so lush in just 3 years! I'm still trying to get the knack of getting my garden areas to look like that. I second Debbie's (rcn) warm welcome. You are not too far away, and some of us get together for seed and plant swaps, and trips to garden events if you are interested. Check out the Mid Atlantic forum for info about the next seed swap in Frederick, MD and a trip to the Philadelphia Flower Show. Terri
hellnzn11: The blue flowers are forget-me-nots which self-seed every year, and I have masses of them. So many, I pull up bushels of them after they are done blooming. There's always enough left to reseed plentifully. They make beautiful drifts of color for a few weeks every spring. Interestingly, I tried planting forget-me-not plants from a garden center, and they always died out. The ones I have now are descendants from plants from a friend's garden.
They always die completely after blooming and going to seed. The new seedlings form small plants that just kind of sit there until the next spring when they take off and bloom. If you would like some seed this summer, just let me know.
My garden is part-shade to deep shade. None of if gets more than 4 hours of sun. I actually timed it one day. Since I've fenced and the deer can no longer graze I've been able to garden for the first time in 17 years!
For me it's chipmunks...and apparently my shiba inu puppy, too. It's going to be an interesting year. Last year the chippies ate the buds right off my toad lilies--they seem to love them. This year, I think the shiba will keep the chipmunks away, but I'm still figuring out how I'm going to keep the shiba out of the hostas and other perennials. He "pruned" my baby pieris shrub last week. :(
But how can you get angry at this sweet little guy?
lol I am so glad I am not alone. I love SI dogs, they look like little foxes. There is a breeder by my house and I just roll on their little All About Me personalities. The breeder said the moms don't even like their own pups as they get older because they want all the attention on them or want no attention on they themselves. I love the indifference in their personalities, because it is so funny to watch them, they remind me of my Shar Peis. Kind of cat like, I think.
No chipmunks here, no moles or voles, just gophers and I think they are useless creatures. For the life of me, I have not clue as to their value. I don't think I have any gopher snakes around, or they would be eating a feast.
My shiba clearly adores me, but he definitely does think he's the star of the show where the other dogs are concerned. And he's a total diva. Hellnzn, have you ever heard the patented "shiba scream?" When they get overly excited or take offense to something, shibas let out a war whoop that would make Xena, Warrior Princess green with envy. ;)
But I do love my shiba. He would definitely NOT be the dog for someone who likes very trainable, mellow, sweet dogs who fawn all over you. But I'm an experienced dog owner who likes independent dogs. Still, my shiba is the polar opposite of my 45 mph couch potato greyhounds.
I drop in from time to time.I mostly hang out at the NEG.,Poppies,Garden Talk.
The shade gardens are really wonderful here.
My gardens are mostly 2 years old a few are 3 yearsold.
I confess I didnt read everylast thread,the pictures are so wonderful.
I always like to see what gardeners do with shade.
This is an album of my shade area. http://picasaweb.google.com/jgentle4/ShadeGarden200902
Hi JoAnn. I follow a lot of your posts, but I don't think I've seen pictures of your gardens before - just the bear! Pretty neat. I've got almost 100% shade, so I'm always on the look out for plant selections. I didn't recognize the pretty plant in picture #19 - helebores? columbine? What is it - I'd like to add it to my list for spring planting. Thanks, Terri
Though shade plants often have beautiful blooms, I think foliage is just as important.
Two of my favorite types of plants for shade are grasses and hardy gingers.
Here's hakonechloa macra All Gold, which really brightens things up.
And here's an asarum. I lost the tag long ago.
I have many species and cultivars scattered around, so I'm not sure which one.
At any rate, here it is alongside a heuchera, columbine and a couple neighboring hostas.
(and a few weeds, I see...)
Bill, another great shot of your garden. Great perspective. JoAnn, tiarellas are one of my favorites. I first saw them in the woodlands at 'Winterthur'. I have had a hard time getting them to survive or grow, but I keep trying. They should have no problem here, so I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Cool artist studio too. And Weerobin and Pirl - you guys always have the most interesting plant selection - everytime I see your posts, I have to add things to my list! Clematis and grasses for shade - new ideas for me :-) I've posted this picture somewhere before, but I don't remember where. Shot of native trilium (not sure which one it is), that I transplanted from a nearby friend's woods. Same growing conditions, so it is doing well. Terri
Terri My Foamflowers will see their 3 rd year and my neighbor said they dont last long.
OK by me.I will have room for the other survivors I overplanted.
I love Wintertur. It was a stop added to a visit to Longwood Gardens.
Who would have guessed Gunpowder would leave such a beautiful legacy.
Hee hee. I recently saw where you posted your age, and with my mathematical inclinations I always see patterns in things, and thought how funny, our ages have the same numbers in them right now, just transposed! You have an excuse for sometimes mixing things up, but it looks like I'm starting a little too early :-)
GE, I was enjoying your album of photos.
It struck me how most of us garden in parallel universes.
Your yard could be my yard or could be like many others on this thread.
We have mature plantings which are postcard perfect and we're eager to share on line.
Then there are works in progress filled w/ newbies.
And I suspect some problem areas which didn't make the album.
But then we all have the requisite mulch pile, wheel barrow, shovel, etc.
It's as if we're living the same lives in different locations.
DG gives an opportunity to tour the yards of other gardeners
whose idea of gardening is more than mowing the lawn.
Thanks for giving us a glimpse of yours.
I used to believe I was an average gardener and content with the grandmothers homilies about garden secters
I found out the first year on DG that my vision was too small.
These enablers encouraged me beyond what I believed was capable.
Its thrilling to share ideas and plant lore.
Gardening is more than just sticking a plant in the ground.
I like lillies - both for the height and late season bloom, but didn't even consider them for shade. Late last summer, Stormyla told me that she has quite a few that are doing great in her shade garden. Got Casa Blanca, martagon, and two others (pink) that I can't remember the names of right now. Got them in the ground before fall, so this will be the first year for them. Can't wait to see how they perform. Terri
Oh, your garden is beautiful! Fortunately, I get a couple of hours of morning sun and then dappled shade the rest of the day. I have a few lilies under a large holly tree and they are rather weak but keep blooming and surviving. Every year while the spring mess of blooms and leaves fall from the holly I debate cutting it down ...but, then in summer I love the cool shade once again.
This is my list of bulbs to go into the ground April
Hellnzn - I know nothing about growing daylilies in California other than Jasper Dale who lives in Long Beach and all I sent him are doing very well and expanding at a rapid rate.
I love the idea of starting small because finding spots that are huge is now impossible here. I can find smaller spots much more easily and we did remove a ton of Ghost ferns to make room for 5 new ones I bought and have them planted with 4 older (1992) existing more common clems like two each of Multi Blue and Belle of Woking at the fireplace wall.
I didn't keep a list of all I bought, ge, because it might have stopped me from buying more and more. There was seldom an offer I didn't succumb to in the dark days of winter. When they all arrive I will list them. I bought by 3, 5 and 10 of a kind.
I'm first trying the lilies on the edges of my woodland shade on the north side of the house. I think it gets a little bit of morning sun and a little more of late afternoon sun. Still pretty shady, but dappled a few hours at the beginning and end of the day. Stormyla keeps trying different varieties, and has been keeping track of the ones that do better in the shade than others. I'll be using her list for the next orders. Pirl and ge, sounds like you both are getting extensive collections - if either of you or Pigweed try any of your lillies in shade, I'd love to know which are the best performers. And now clems too - I've been following Victor's posts about Evey's site. Enablers, Enablers, Enablers :-) My poor pocketbook.
This is really helping me a lot. I need a lot more color in my shade garden, and all suggestions are appreciated.
One of my notes from a DG post last year for a Clem shade performer was Clematis 'Rooguchi'. I planted it towards the end of the season, so again, waiting to see how it will perform. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/77519/
I only have three Clems so far. The other two are 'Hagley Hybrid' and 'Jackmani' that I planted together on a trellis near the garage. Shown here with my nephew many years ago (he is now 14, but what a cutie he was at 2)
Lots of space. Blue/silver shade garden would be nice, but I'm making myself focus on the large area between the house and the pond right now. Probably shouldn't start anything new for another two seasons. Made the mistake for years of dabbling all over the place, and never getting any one area truly established. Just my nature to want to try everything at once, so I have to forcibly set limits :-( I like clems, but kept thinking that I'd need trellises all over the place and that they only liked sun. I'd love to see more pictures like the stump one for non-trellis ideas.
As I read this thread I am trying to think if I have any lilies in shade. I believe I planted lilies where it is shady part of the day but just enough sun to support Oriental Poppies and other sun plants.
These areas probably get enough sun to marginally qualify as full sun areas.
In November ,I planted asiatics in a few areas that have sun part of the day but dont support annuals well . The jury is out on lily performance there until July.I will definatly report then.
Pirl had said last year that lilies in part shade would br shorter. My only lilies in part shade ( dappled AM and 3 hours in late PM) are dwarfs anyway so who can tell.
Dwarf Buff Pixi.
These border lilies only get two hours of sun in the morning but then bright shade the rest of the day. (Picture is second year.) I tried roses there hoping that it would be enough light, a failure. The daliahs didn't please me either, now I'm going with cannas.
Wish I had seen that beautiful Nelly Moser before I ordered my clematis this year. It's really wonderful...and shade tested too.
Here I've found that lilies in the shade are either shorter or stretching for the sun and for every flower I may miss out on, due to the shade, I have the others that last longer.
Very nice display, Pigweed.
There are specifics for what constitutes part shade, full shade, etc. but the biggest help is the gardener seeing what works. A neighbor, who is a Master Gardener, planted her Joseph's Coat roses (3 of them) in shade. If they got an hour of direct sun it was a lot. As you'd expect they're gone now since they were disappointing to her: the roses must have been disappointed in her!
Last year I did try dahlias in front of the area with the lilies in part shade - it was close to 100% failure - all my own fault.
For any lilies that anyone wants to try in any type of shade I would recommend planting in pots, which can easily be moved if it doesn't work out to your satisfaction.
Kaylyred - What is the large blue flower(s) in the picture you posted on June 1, 2009 -post #6629540. It is gorgeous! Looks to me like some kind of balloon flower, but I cannot find any so big! I would love to know! Thanks!!
And I suspect the camera angle makes the blooms look bigger than they actually are. They're really not overly large--maybe 1" across at the very most (and I suspect less; I just can't remember precisely.) I don't recall them being much bigger than the bloom on a balloon flower, but since I don't have any in my garden I really don't have any way to compare them.
Still, they seem to have bloomed just fine in dappled shade last year, which I consider a plus! They really never got any direct sun and they handled the conditions with style. (They're under the branches of a mature maple.) We'll see how they do this year and how prolifically they reseed under the conditions I stuck them in. :)
aspenhill wrote:Lots of space. Blue/silver shade garden would be nice, but I'm making myself focus on the large area between the house and the pond right now. Probably shouldn't start anything new for another two seasons. Made the mistake for years of dabbling all over the place, and never getting any one area truly established. Just my nature to want to try everything at once, so I have to forcibly set limits :-( I like clems, but kept thinking that I'd need trellises all over the place and that they only liked sun. I'd love to see more pictures like the stump one for non-trellis ideas.
Raymond Evison had an interview where he was talking about alternative ways to plant your clems. He's an advocate of thinking outside the box in how you use clems in your garden. Here's a link to that interview: http://www.youtube.com/v/ZFY4yqBJQas
I used to have Asiatic Lilies in the shade here, they got some morning sun but the rest of the time it was all shaded by trees and the shadow of the house and they did so well, but I was surprised. They even had sort of bad drainage there. I forgot about Lilies until you guys all started talking about them. I had several Candy lilies from seed that never bloomed in the pure sun here, and they got eaten by a gopher that year, I think because they never came back up the next year. They were from seed so I thought maybe it was a biannual or something. I never looked them up, but should do it again. They look so nice in your garden.
Ohh yes.The mushy ones. First year here I planted a tub of First Crown.Only 1 grew .I emptied the tub and planted the stalk in Sarahs garden. It took 2 years to bloom. The rest of the bulbs went to compost,they were nearly there anyway.
I am slowly add ing Clems to my gardens. I think a walk to the creek after the snow melts is in order.
Pirl suggested dead branches for trelises .In this tract t\any tree removal is done by contractors and they chip everything they cut down.
Trimming saw and a rope should get me what I want.
Just so everyone understands, I thought dead branches, about an inch wide, could be spray painted to match Jo Ann's cobalt blue container and they could lead the clematis towards the rose bush where she wants them to bloom.
Ohhh, very cool idea! I love seeing unexpected jolts of color in the garden. That's something that is very inviting about JD's garden... it's got a fun randomness to it with the great mixtures of hues, textures and items used in unexpected ways. Great imagination, Pirlie!
Rooguchi does grow well in the shade here. However it's a very small clem and not a climber and the flowers are small and dark so they are a little hard to see in a shade garden. I love it because I know that it's there though!
That's a great color combo! The 'Gold Heart' dicentra will really pop. Have you maybe considered adding a gold-leafed hosta somewhere in the combo to fill in for the 'Gold Heart' after it goes dormant in the summer? Or something like one of the bright green heucheras could fill the bill, too.
I've had some pretty good luck keeping my dicentras from going dormant by cutting them back by about 1/2 to 2/3rds after they finish flowering. (Don't wait too long, though, or they start to go dormant.) I've even had some rebloom, which people tell me is almost unheard of with dicentras. The one I had the best luck with got full morning sun, then full shade all afternoon (it was on a north-facing foundation.) You do have to keep them moist, though, if you want to avoid the dormancy.
Of course, I've only tried this with plain ol' dicentra spectabilis, not 'Gold Heart.' But I love the color of the gold against the pinkish red hearts. Kind of reminds me of a corydalis I saw at our local nursery last year...'Cherry Berry,' I think it was called. That one almost followed me home, and just might this year. :)
Thats great advise. I am trying to develop that area into a easy care place. I will consider some of the light green Heucheras as the gold leaf Hostas are slug bait here not to mention the deer.
I will plant Palace purple heuc. but there are heucherellas with green gold leaves that will work too.
I think the spot will look beautiful regardless. It looks very stunning in your collage. :)
I'm not sure, but I think 'Maui Buttercups' isn't a terribly big hosta and may be pretty slug resistant with it's heavy corrugated leaves. I could be wrong, though--I don't have it in my garden...yet. hehe
I had this freak freeze so now I am afraid to start some of my direct sow shade plants that I was hoping to toss in the ground. Too early so maybe I will have to do more in water bottles, it is a pain but worth it.
We shouldn't have another freeze. I think that it would be safe to put out seeds depending on their individuality - like don't sow caladiums for instance. YOu must have good earth if you are direct sowing. I'm jealous.
No good earth here,clay and rocks. I have mulched and used compost for the 3 years I have been here. I direct sow easy to germinate plants like annual poppies and Larkspur.I will also sow cosmos as soon as its warm enough.These are self propegating plants anyway.
It's been awhile since I visited this thread and I've been missing out - so many great ideas!
Terri, that slope of Tiarella at Longwood is stunning!
ge, always the enabler :) Your collages often give me TOO many ideas! LOL I've been thinking about adding Lilies to the list of plants for my new garden but now I'm wondering if I'd just be inviting the deer! So far they haven't touched the Daylilies that border this area but giving them more choices to munch on might be too much temptation for them :(
Weerobin, your photo of 'All Gold' Hakonechloa inspired me! I have always loved the bright foliage of Heuchera 'Citronelle' in this bed but late last fall discovered the blasted weevil has probably killed at least 2 of the 3 planted here :( I tried 'All Gold' last summer in another bed and loved it - more vigorous than 'Aureola'! I'm thinking AG might be a perfect replacement for the Heuchera :)
KaylyRed, I was successful keeping my "plain ol' Dicentra spectabilis' going strong through late summer in my Maine gardens by cutting them back but no luck here in the warmer climate of VA. It took me several years to find a good match to mask the bare spot left when 'Gold Heart' goes dormant. It might not work for you, although there is one report of success growing it in Z5a in PF, Hardy Begonia (Begonia grandis) http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/722/. It's a perfect solution because it comes up late and by the time Dicentra is beginning to go dormant, the foliage of the Begonia quickly fills in the bare spot and is a gorgeous late summer bloomer! Still in bloom in early September...
That begonia is beautiful! My dicentra usuallly stays the summer here in WI when I cut it back, but I'm tempted to give that begonia a try either way, because it's lovely. Don't recall ever seeing it around here before, but I'm all about zone pushing. :)
I too, love those Hardy Begonias. As Debbie says, they spread very easily by dropping seeds/bulbils and are very easy to dig up and move or remove if they spread too much. Mine were blooming up into November this past year.
Doug, I live in Somerset. Can I grow begonias like yours here? Do you have to dig them up for the winter or just mulch them and leave them in the ground?? I'm planning a shade garden and am looking for some color besides green ferns and hostas. Any body have any suggestions.