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I have listened to everyonesadvise about seed starting Oriental poppies and here is what I did to start seeds of four varities,
Coral Reef from Johnaas
Fancy Feathers One stop poppy shop
Royal Wedding One SPS
Princess Victoria Louise from DGer
I filled 3inch pooop pots with starting soil.
Put them in a low profile plastic storage box,
Watered the filled PP's and let stand over night for good absorb.
Plant three or four seeds per PP and gently pressed in to the soil.
Put them on shelves in the garage for a cold period, we dont start annuals here until mid April,night freezes last until mid May.
I have then covered loosly with a black plastic bag.
I'll check in three weeks to see whats going on and bring inside then for more light.
As you can see I have high hopes and in reality if only one plant makes it to the ground in May I'll be happy.
I'll cut the bottoms out of the PP's befor putting in the garden.
If anyone wants to correct my method I would be most greatfull, Its the first time I have done OP 's
I'm a bit worried.
They have been in the garage for 10 days and are very wet still.Frozen at times.
I'll bring them into the house end of March (next week) and see if warmth will encourage them.
They might not make it. I'm prepared for a failure.
I will be bringing the poppy poop pots in the house next week.That will make three weeks in the cold and wet - maybe damp.
There is no sign of a sprout but I do think some of the seeds have swelled.
I have to look thru a magnifying glass to see anything.
I brought the frozen Orientals into the house two days ago and there are thre of the four varieties that have germinated.
I'm so psyched.
Princess Victoria Louise and
Royal Wedding and Corel Reef are showing shoots, like human hairs but shoots.
I'll photo when they are bigger.
Just barely visible.
Victoria Louise is a real shooter, no wonder the seeds were cheaper than other varieties.
Jonas's Corel Reef's are starting too and Royal Wedding from OneStopPoppyShop.
Heres a pic the teeeeny shoots are marked in red on the Royal Wedding Victoria Louise doesnt need a marker.
Thanks for the support Timein abottle.
I realize how obcessive I am, cant stop looking at the pots to see if anymore germinated.
Are you familliar with the habits of any of the varieties?
I'm thinking "Princess Victoria Louise" is a spreader, its so vigerous from the start.
I have had coral reef for several years and it is beautiful . Princess victoria Louise will be bloom for the first time in my garden th is year ( I hope). I do not keep labels on anything so I am not sure which is which. We had Tree trimers in last week to cut down a 50 year old silver maple. Since they couldnt get the bucket truck into our back yard they had to drop the branches wherever they fell. This included my flower beds. They took up some landscape timbers when preparing to work in the back yard and dumped them on the flower be where my newest poppies were. So we shall see.
Good thing I live w/ DD .
She stopped me from transplanting Princess VicLouise too soon.
There are 7 poop pots full so they will need thinning anyway but I'll wait for the second set of leaves, like DD said.
Nice to have a dog to keep the bags from blowing away.
I'm not positive ALL the poppies will survive.
There might be waste plants of the Princes Victoria Louise. Those pots have dozens of seedlings.
There are only three or four seedlings in the other varieties and Fancy Feathers has one plant out of five pots that shows any sign of life.
Your hepl has been great keep watching to see where this sowing method goes.
I also found sowing directions for direct sowing for Orientals.
This method worked for me because I didnt have a place for the plants.
I just put down a Lazagna bed last week and by the end of April I will be able to transplant.
DD will let me know if its time,she saved me from repotting the PVL 's too soon, she says "second set of leaves"
I decided not to move the littleones.
We have a lot of garden space here all of it is under way and I didnt have room for poppies so we made the new bed which also has room for DD's summer vedgs she loves.
This is the new space for poppies and other perenns.
I'll be watching to see how yours do! I got Victoria Louise and Royal Wedding from One Stop Poppy Shoppe, too, among others. I decided to direct sow them outside, but now I can't tell which are the new colors, and which are the old ones that have been there for years. Guess I'll know when they bloom.
I started some poppies, with less success. I have a couple of hairs on one. When I am done planting roses, I will try direct sewing a couple of seeds. Hope I am not too late. I got a bit carried away with seeds this year. Last year, I only started tomatoes and sunflowers. Much easier to start than poppies.
Just so you know.
I am not thrilled with the OP's I started.
They germinated fine and are comming along great,but I'm of an age where to wait five years to see a decent plant is not on my page. I have been buying plants to cut down on the bloom delay.
I did plant a mix last year and had a bloom on 2 of the 6.
One of the plants isnt doing well "corel reef" I think its shrivling up after 1 year in the ground.
I wont try seeds again for any perennial ,it just isnt worth the time. I applaud those who get a kick out of watching seeds do their thing.
only annual poppies bloom the first year, so I hope this doesnt upset you to much but you
will have to wait till next may to see them bloom mine are in their second year and will bloom next month I have about 50 new seedling that I started in january and even those will not bloom this year
I re-read my post and realized it sounded like i was talking about the same variety. The mix I bought was OP's
The Corel Reef is really looking bad.The others look great ,this will be their second year.
The annuals I direct sowed in December are coming up except for Island mhons and Shirly doubles.
Maybe they are just late germinaters.
I also bought poppies from the KoiGardens perennial co-op.
I also have some survivors from 2 years ago that will bloom well this year.I'll just keep adding plants when they go on sale at nurseries,its easier.
I do that also but I always add seeds and use a plastic bell to keep the birds from eating them all, I actually did ok with the ones I started inside ratio is very small maybe 10 per cent grew and will be planted I had almost 100 percent germination but poppies are so hard to grow from seed indoors since they dont like to be moved will do it differently next year
I'm not staking much hope in my seed plants.
Thats why I bought established plants from growers.
Like I said somewhere else, I wont do it again. Seed starting is just not for me. I love everyones efforts though.
I winter sowed Coral Reef and Victoria Louise in a disposable aluminum cake pan with plastic lid and they pretty much all germinated. They are now in their new bed. Only one has not made it yet. I understand they need to be moved from the seed starting environment/peat pots as soon as they have two leaves. I moved mine much later than that though.
I think the new home must have very fluffy soil for them to survive.
poppies can grow in sand that is their natural invironment and they dont need to be watered they will get yellow leaves in july and august I just take off what is dead and then when the rain starts again in the fall they green up and get big again and then they are ready for winter
I have a few of all I seeded and now some are making buds cant wait to see the color of the blooms since by now I have no idea which is which but the foliage is all different so I know that I have many different kinds
some of the poppies I grew indoors over the winter now have buds cant wait to see the flowers to find out which ones they are since I mixed seeded the flat with about ten different types of perennial poppies
The field of poppies GF tills the area every fall and what ever re seeds comes up the next spring.
There are varieties that have played out so now it just looks like Shirlies growing.
The first year she planted this with 50 pounds of "wild flower garden seed"
It has lupines and corn flowers too.
wow I need to do that to I have an area in the back that we wanted to make a vegi garden but its not the right soil and we cant get water to the area so wild flowers would be best they will grow and take care of themselves
at my old property I had patches of every color of perennial poppies
I just started on this property and have tree spots established already I have reds, pink, and also lavender and some orange, this year I want to establish some white, peach, and at least two other colors
I put my seeds down last week and put bell on them so the birds will not eat the seeds and it will keep them in place hoping to have all my favorite colors in a couple of years since I am very patient I usually grow all my plants from seed
I just broke my own rule about moving Perennial Poppies.
Had one too close to a large Lavandula.
The Lavandula was too big for me to move so I dug the little poppy crown and transplanted it.
I'e no loss if it doesnt make it.I ordered more poppies last year when the co-ops didnt look like they were alive by july.
Whell in September they began to show.Now I have 30 poppies where I should only have 20.
I'll keep my eye on the trans.
yup that is my weakness I love to gamble and I can control that I have never done it online and I have a full casino fifteen minutes from my house and have only been there maybe twice per year so four times since I moved here spending only about forty dollars each time well let me tell you when ordering seeds I do not have any control whats so ever since I have already spent about two hundred in the last month and I am still looking but now I am looking only since I dont have anymore money for a few weeks more like till after xmas lol
what what are you saying last year I waited and when I went in january to order some of the seeds on my list what did I find SOLD OUT, SOLD OUT, SOLD OUT. on so many of them that I promised myself that it would never happen again so this year I have already ordered the must haves and I will look for deals in january and february and if I dont find anything that is just fine with me and my bank account hahahahah
I will buy some now and skip January as I already know that I won't have enough room to germinate them all even with new cold frames. I really want the varieties that I've chosen. We have a seed swap party in the MidAtlantic in February, so some will go there. Has anyone ordered from the gal in Belgium that's been running the ad in the classifieds? Her feedback is quite good and she sells all seeds for $1.50.
Yes, it is seeds and since it's flat rate shipping I could get some of the walmart type of seeds from them too and save me the trip. I think I bought some seeds from this guy a few years back and they were fine. His common poppies come in cheap large quantities so I can save some for our local seed exchange.
Mona, I would love to grow some poppies of the size and vigor of those in Banff!!
I found the best way to do it indoors is to use a three inchesquare top that is about five inches deep and put in three seeds only and let them grow in there till transplant outside
annuals can just be planted direct in the spring and will bloom the first year, perennials will always only bloom the second year no matter what, the easiest way is to cut the bottom of the milk just clear a little area put some seeds spritzs with water to make sure they make good contact with the soil and sink the milk jug about three to four inches deep into the soil keeping the top where the cover goes open in the spring when you see that the plants are growing well and frost is over remove milk jug
yes since they hate to be transplanted and this way they dont need to be and if you really think about how they propogate on their own they bloom in may and seeds are ready by end of july or early august and they seeds germinate late summer and grow then bloom the next year that is the natural cycle of these plants and we are changing it that is why are successes and failures more the latter since we are trying to change the natural process
it depends on what they are arctic poppies can be just spread in the early spring do not cover since they need light to germinate and those are the ones that you see on ebay that has like a 1000 seeds for a couple of bucks
california poppies which come in many colors and are just beautifull as reseeding annuals should be done in the mid spring when the soil starts to warm up they will bloom end of june to frost and will reseed since they are low plants they look amazing anywhere and I never pull any out where ever they decide to grow I leave them since I tried to move a couple and they just died being poppies hahah they do not like being moved
actual annual poppies like the big pompoms etc... can also be sown early spring I would use a net or something to keep the birds from eating the seeds since all poppies need to be surface sown they need the light to germinate
perennials will NOT bloom the first year even if started in january it takes them two years to mature to give blooms for those you can actually put them out in the late fall in cold areas you can use a large milk jug or water jug whatever cut out the bottom insert into the ground about three to four inches to make sure it stays put this also works to help you remember in the spring where you planted them since they so look like weeds and young plants
or you can just plant them anytime in the spring or summer my best plants I actually started at the end of july they grew like crazy and so healthy lots of bloom sthe next year
since in nature the seeds disperse at the end of july to aujust but again you should use something to keep the birds away and make sure to keep moist till they start to grow
when they get established they as perennials will make a nice large clump that will bloom huge flowers but do remember to not plant any poppies except the california kind at the front of a border since they all die back in the heat and do not look nice again till the fall rains
Thank you Mona. I'm going to try a couple of different ways and see what works best. I'm with you though about mimicing their natural cycle. Perennial poppies are what I'm after. I grew a number of varieties from seed over the past few years with a slim survival rate among several varieites.
I have tried OP's from seed and failed 100% so I just buy plants.
Last years experiment went great from April when I seeded the peat pots,I had germination and was affraid I would be over run with poppies.
BUT NO, in May I transplanted the tiny things and by June thay had dried up and disappeared even tho I watered.
I had a few very small ones and then in september into october we had three weeks with lots of rain and they came back so dont give up they do go dormant and if you didnt get enough rain this fall they may show up in the spring
When these failed I bought others from a co-op.They went dorment early because they were plugs and realllllly tiiiiiny.
This Sept and Oct thay came up. The crowns are small but I can wait.
There are 8 in all around this curve with DL's
I thought i marked where they are but there is one at the right.
They are very strange. I find that they don't always go dormant. What's even stranger, I've found where I might have 3 of the same variety growing within 6' of one another and 1 will go dormant, and the other 2 won't.
Just one more time.
I have been loading and posting garden albums and didnt want to stop for a pix edit.
Here is the verrrry last time for the co-op poppies.
I put the pix in Photoshop and made a duplicate with a file name i couldnt miss.
I tried something different this past year. When some of m y O pops were going dormant I cut them clear to the ground and planted allysum over them. Here is a pic of them today. I just didn't want to have that dying foliage in the middle of my garden.
This is a picture of volunteer orientals on November 5th . The 2 tiniest were transplanted on that date. The weather here was quite dry for November here. They got a splash of water on most days as needed.
as soon as I can get them going I take the seed heads and dump them just under the leaves of the parent the next year the patch gets bigger and bigger till its about fout to five feet wide then I start to give the seeds away for now I keep adding the seeds to get more plants I will plant more again this winter but in three inch square pots that are six inches deep so the plants can get large enough to plant out in may with five months of growing they will be bigger and healthier I will not quit till I have huge patches all over the place since I just love them
I always look for the poppies with the largest blooms to make a bigger show then I look for california poppies any new color since they bloom all summer and start when the larger veriaties are finished I love the delicate petals and the vibrant color of the bloom
or like me I have lots of space but I dont garden all of it some areas are wild and I dont plan on doing a darn thing to it since the birds love it just the way it is and I dont see a need to landscape it I do smaller areas that are manageable like around the pool off the drive way so it looks pretty, since last year we started working on an section which will be a shade area garden but will not be complete for another two or three years and then it will probably another couple after that before the plants really start to look good, its a on the side project when we feel like it hahahhahah DH is getting impatient to see it finished he actually do you believe it actually went out and worked on it on his own hahaha I never thought I would see the day but now he says it relaxes him so who knows it may get done sooner rather than later
I dont have the energy to garden all day.
Thats what it would take for me to tend some of the gardens on this web.
I am an early morning person ,so thats when everything gets done including photos.
I dont trust the grandkids to weed.
GS did remove part of a hydrangea last summer.
I still like the california poppies the colors and the fact that they bloom all summer into the late fall when I first started to plant them it was the original orange now they come in red, pink, white and some combinations and also in partial doubles oh and peach color
Thermostat is programable and is set to go down to 64 until 4AM
I live in an addition to the house that never has a temp reading the same as the rest of the house.
When outside temps get below 20 its no holds barred as to what the temp will get down to.
I am prepared ,fleece PJ's and 2 comforters.
I actually like it cold for sleep.
I keep the heat at 68 when we are home and it goes down to 60 during the day when we are out the first thing we do when we walk in is start a fire in the fireplace a nice big one and keep it going till we go to bed that way its so much cheaper on the heating oil since that is all I can get out here unless we go thermal and that is about 20 thousand dollars more than we have hahahhaahh
I was looking to order that one, but several places I read that it hates hot humid summers, but yet it says zones to 8. I have the perfect spot for those. Mona, what month did they bloom for you in Toronto?
the large perennial ones bloomed end of may into june and the seed heads would be ready end of july into august the the first year of bloom I always just add the seeds just under the leaves of the mother plant to make the patch bigger that is why I believe that sowing them mid summer if a good thing since they always germinated and I had amazing healthy plants that bloomed the next year
How did you manage to write on the back of those plastic spoons? That would be the hardest thing for me to accomplish. What type of paint pen did you use? Fine point? I would have thought the shape of the spoon would have made your writing become unledgeable. Nice job!
They have deeper cell packs because I got some from somebody at our May plant swap. These guys had a station wagon and the back was loaded with every kind of nursery pot size imaginable, plus the flimsy cell packs. I saw the deeper ones and asked if I could have those, Sure take as many as you want, but I only took a couple of each size. Didn't want to be greedy.
I am giving up the seed starting part of gardening.Its too much work and I dont have the proper place for keeping them over winter.It used to be fum to anticipate germination and watch the bebies grow,but not after ruining my coffee table from water splatters.
GE, I gave up that indoor sowing and now only direct sow or use the milk jugs and leave them outside all winter. I even sowed in the jugs in the early spring and that was fine too. The herbs, I sowed directly in their destination planters outside and they were fine.
Unfortunately, it snowed and stayed snow covered before I could get the poppies sown outdoors this winter. They are resting in the fridge until late fall.
But even the tomatoes, last year as I picked tomatoes, any that were unsighlly or bad, I just threw back into the pot. I grow all of my tomatoes in pots. This spring I must have had 100 tomato plants come up. I had to give tons of them away. I was careful about throwing them back into the right pots to keep the varieties seperated. They are all bearing fruit now. How easy is that for veggie gardening?