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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 5, 2009
1:26 PM

Post #6224227

I have listened to everyonesadvise about seed starting Oriental poppies and here is what I did to start seeds of four varities,
Coral Reef from Johnaas
Fancy Feathers One stop poppy shop
Royal Wedding One SPS
Princess Victoria Louise from DGer
I filled 3inch pooop pots with starting soil.
Put them in a low profile plastic storage box,
Watered the filled PP's and let stand over night for good absorb.
Plant three or four seeds per PP and gently pressed in to the soil.
Put them on shelves in the garage for a cold period, we dont start annuals here until mid April,night freezes last until mid May.
I have then covered loosly with a black plastic bag.
I'll check in three weeks to see whats going on and bring inside then for more light.
As you can see I have high hopes and in reality if only one plant makes it to the ground in May I'll be happy.
I'll cut the bottoms out of the PP's befor putting in the garden.
If anyone wants to correct my method I would be most greatfull, Its the first time I have done OP 's

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schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

March 16, 2009
9:42 PM

Post #6276826

Any peek-a-boos yet?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 17, 2009
9:33 AM

Post #6279284

I'm a bit worried.
They have been in the garage for 10 days and are very wet still.Frozen at times.
I'll bring them into the house end of March (next week) and see if warmth will encourage them.
They might not make it. I'm prepared for a failure.
Sniff Sniff

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 20, 2009
8:41 AM

Post #6293631

I will be bringing the poppy poop pots in the house next week.That will make three weeks in the cold and wet - maybe damp.
There is no sign of a sprout but I do think some of the seeds have swelled.
I have to look thru a magnifying glass to see anything.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 21, 2009
11:13 AM

Post #6298393

I brought the poppies into the house for warmth on advise of another DG'er

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2009
5:26 PM

Post #6303745

I brought the frozen Orientals into the house two days ago and there are thre of the four varieties that have germinated.
I'm so psyched.
Princess Victoria Louise and
Royal Wedding and Corel Reef are showing shoots, like human hairs but shoots.
I'll photo when they are bigger.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2009
2:24 PM

Post #6307620

Just barely visible.
Victoria Louise is a real shooter, no wonder the seeds were cheaper than other varieties.
Jonas's Corel Reef's are starting too and Royal Wedding from OneStopPoppyShop.
Heres a pic the teeeeny shoots are marked in red on the Royal Wedding Victoria Louise doesnt need a marker.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2009
2:25 PM

Post #6307625

victoria Louise

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timeinabottle
Louisville, KY

March 24, 2009
1:09 AM

Post #6310389

congratulations ge hooray for you

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2009
9:46 AM

Post #6311675

Thanks for the support Timein abottle.
I realize how obcessive I am, cant stop looking at the pots to see if anymore germinated.
Are you familliar with the habits of any of the varieties?
I'm thinking "Princess Victoria Louise" is a spreader, its so vigerous from the start.
timeinabottle
Louisville, KY

March 25, 2009
12:58 AM

Post #6315160

I have had coral reef for several years and it is beautiful . Princess victoria Louise will be bloom for the first time in my garden th is year ( I hope). I do not keep labels on anything so I am not sure which is which. We had Tree trimers in last week to cut down a 50 year old silver maple. Since they couldnt get the bucket truck into our back yard they had to drop the branches wherever they fell. This included my flower beds. They took up some landscape timbers when preparing to work in the back yard and dumped them on the flower be where my newest poppies were. So we shall see.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2009
9:01 AM

Post #6316284

How perfectly awfull.
We have good tree people here, they managed to cut down a dead spruce w/out much damage.
Perens are hardy, they mey return.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2009
11:47 AM

Post #6316502

Good thing I live w/ DD .
She stopped me from transplanting Princess VicLouise too soon.
There are 7 poop pots full so they will need thinning anyway but I'll wait for the second set of leaves, like DD said.
timeinabottle
Louisville, KY

March 26, 2009
12:17 AM

Post #6319903

Now you know about poppies. The question now is what are you going to do with all the transplants.
timeinabottle
Louisville, KY

March 26, 2009
12:30 AM

Post #6319972

Maybe Daisy will help you pot those babies up.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2009
9:35 AM

Post #6321229

Nice to have a dog to keep the bags from blowing away.
I'm not positive ALL the poppies will survive.
There might be waste plants of the Princes Victoria Louise. Those pots have dozens of seedlings.
There are only three or four seedlings in the other varieties and Fancy Feathers has one plant out of five pots that shows any sign of life.
Your hepl has been great keep watching to see where this sowing method goes.
I also found sowing directions for direct sowing for Orientals.
This method worked for me because I didnt have a place for the plants.
I just put down a Lazagna bed last week and by the end of April I will be able to transplant.
DD will let me know if its time,she saved me from repotting the PVL 's too soon, she says "second set of leaves"
I decided not to move the littleones.
We have a lot of garden space here all of it is under way and I didnt have room for poppies so we made the new bed which also has room for DD's summer vedgs she loves.
This is the new space for poppies and other perenns.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2009
9:36 AM

Post #6321231

this is where the poppies will go, marked with stakes.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2009
12:11 PM

Post #6348858

latest pics of sprouts.
Started Mar21 when I brought them into the house
April 1
Princess Vic.Louise

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2009
12:12 PM

Post #6348863

and Royal wedding

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Bookerc1

Bookerc1
Mackinaw, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 10, 2009
8:37 PM

Post #6392439

I'll be watching to see how yours do! I got Victoria Louise and Royal Wedding from One Stop Poppy Shoppe, too, among others. I decided to direct sow them outside, but now I can't tell which are the new colors, and which are the old ones that have been there for years. Guess I'll know when they bloom.

Angie

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 10, 2009
9:11 PM

Post #6392586

I cant wait for two years to see the blooms, so I bought Royal Wedding on sale.
I also bought Prince of Orange
Queen Alexandra
and another cherry red on a co-op.
The seedlings are doing OK .
GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
(Zone 6a)

April 23, 2009
3:11 AM

Post #6450493

I started some poppies, with less success. I have a couple of hairs on one. When I am done planting roses, I will try direct sewing a couple of seeds. Hope I am not too late. I got a bit carried away with seeds this year. Last year, I only started tomatoes and sunflowers. Much easier to start than poppies.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 23, 2009
8:41 AM

Post #6451088

Just so you know.
I am not thrilled with the OP's I started.
They germinated fine and are comming along great,but I'm of an age where to wait five years to see a decent plant is not on my page. I have been buying plants to cut down on the bloom delay.
I did plant a mix last year and had a bloom on 2 of the 6.
One of the plants isnt doing well "corel reef" I think its shrivling up after 1 year in the ground.
I wont try seeds again for any perennial ,it just isnt worth the time. I applaud those who get a kick out of watching seeds do their thing.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

May 1, 2009
2:00 AM

Post #6486674

only annual poppies bloom the first year, so I hope this doesnt upset you to much but you
will have to wait till next may to see them bloom mine are in their second year and will bloom next month I have about 50 new seedling that I started in january and even those will not bloom this year

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 1, 2009
9:54 AM

Post #6487605

I re-read my post and realized it sounded like i was talking about the same variety. The mix I bought was OP's
The Corel Reef is really looking bad.The others look great ,this will be their second year.
The annuals I direct sowed in December are coming up except for Island mhons and Shirly doubles.
Maybe they are just late germinaters.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

May 1, 2009
11:13 AM

Post #6487705

mine looked pretty bad to at first since we had such a cold winter and I lost a few so now I dont know which color survived oh well after they bloom I will had the colors that are missing
GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2009
4:52 AM

Post #6500598

Thanks for posting your progress. Now I know how I should have started my poppy seeds. I have some seeds left, If at first you don't succeed...
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

May 4, 2009
1:07 PM

Post #6501476

here is a bunch of poppies started last year this spring they looked really bad but now they are looking really good and should bloom by the end of june

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2009
2:18 PM

Post #6501849

nice
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

May 4, 2009
2:20 PM

Post #6501865

thank you I have three bunches like that in different locaitons and I have about 30 more plants growing inside that will go in different locations in a couple of weeks

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2009
2:41 PM

Post #6501985

I also bought poppies from the KoiGardens perennial co-op.
I also have some survivors from 2 years ago that will bloom well this year.I'll just keep adding plants when they go on sale at nurseries,its easier.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

May 4, 2009
10:56 PM

Post #6504330

I do that also but I always add seeds and use a plastic bell to keep the birds from eating them all, I actually did ok with the ones I started inside ratio is very small maybe 10 per cent grew and will be planted I had almost 100 percent germination but poppies are so hard to grow from seed indoors since they dont like to be moved will do it differently next year

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 5, 2009
9:37 AM

Post #6506162

I'm not staking much hope in my seed plants.
Thats why I bought established plants from growers.
Like I said somewhere else, I wont do it again. Seed starting is just not for me. I love everyones efforts though.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

May 5, 2009
12:35 PM

Post #6506506

if the inside thing doesnt work just get the plastic bells they are like a dollar each it is the simple and easy way to grow them for the novice grower,
Teresa_B
Saint Louis, MO

June 4, 2009
9:12 PM

Post #6642388

I winter sowed Coral Reef and Victoria Louise in a disposable aluminum cake pan with plastic lid and they pretty much all germinated. They are now in their new bed. Only one has not made it yet. I understand they need to be moved from the seed starting environment/peat pots as soon as they have two leaves. I moved mine much later than that though.

I think the new home must have very fluffy soil for them to survive.

Teresa
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

June 5, 2009
12:38 AM

Post #6643226

poppies can grow in sand that is their natural invironment and they dont need to be watered they will get yellow leaves in july and august I just take off what is dead and then when the rain starts again in the fall they green up and get big again and then they are ready for winter

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 5, 2009
8:55 AM

Post #6644604

Yep!!! thats been my experience.
They winter over looking like a green plant when everyother pernnial is no where to be seen.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 22, 2009
9:11 AM

Post #6721735

A report on my seedlings.
NONE of them survived except Victoria Louise which I suspect will be a weed its so prolific.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

June 23, 2009
2:37 AM

Post #6725888

I have a few of all I seeded and now some are making buds cant wait to see the color of the blooms since by now I have no idea which is which but the foliage is all different so I know that I have many different kinds

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 23, 2009
9:00 AM

Post #6726480

Thats the delima Im in.
Bought several collections at different garden centers and now I have no ID's
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

June 24, 2009
2:24 AM

Post #6729946

some of the poppies I grew indoors over the winter now have buds cant wait to see the flowers to find out which ones they are since I mixed seeded the flat with about ten different types of perennial poppies

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 24, 2009
8:44 AM

Post #6730906

Thats great news. Mine just failed from th minute I put them in the ground.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 24, 2009
6:04 PM

Post #6732635

here is my friends poppy field.
I love her geese watch dogs

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 24, 2009
6:06 PM

Post #6732649

the rest
She tilled in compost and then broadcast seeds,then gently raked with a bamboo rake.
In the fall.
I think she used a 50 pound bag of poppy seeds a few years ago. They just keep going.

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scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

June 24, 2009
10:14 PM

Post #6733703

but poppies dont last that long as far as flowering time how does it look the rest of the summer ?????????????????

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 25, 2009
8:57 AM

Post #6735622

I'm not sure.
The vedgtable garden takes a lot of her time.
Its probably a heyfield
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

June 26, 2009
8:44 PM

Post #6742443

I always plant my poppies mid bed so when they go dormant they are hidder for the rest of the season so it still looks nice

mona

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

November 14, 2009
3:24 PM

Post #7273223

The field of poppies GF tills the area every fall and what ever re seeds comes up the next spring.
There are varieties that have played out so now it just looks like Shirlies growing.
The first year she planted this with 50 pounds of "wild flower garden seed"
It has lupines and corn flowers too.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

November 16, 2009
2:51 AM

Post #7278016

wow I need to do that to I have an area in the back that we wanted to make a vegi garden but its not the right soil and we cant get water to the area so wild flowers would be best they will grow and take care of themselves

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

November 16, 2009
2:24 PM

Post #7278733

Its a blast
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

November 17, 2009
1:26 PM

Post #7282030

I just love poppies so pretty and delicate

at my old property I had patches of every color of perennial poppies

I just started on this property and have tree spots established already I have reds, pink, and also lavender and some orange, this year I want to establish some white, peach, and at least two other colors

stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

November 20, 2009
1:12 AM

Post #7291246

They are all so beautiful. The sight of poppies always makes me happy.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

November 20, 2009
9:41 AM

Post #7292114

me too
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

November 20, 2009
1:18 PM

Post #7292331

I put my seeds down last week and put bell on them so the birds will not eat the seeds and it will keep them in place hoping to have all my favorite colors in a couple of years since I am very patient I usually grow all my plants from seed

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

November 20, 2009
1:30 PM

Post #7292372

I just broke my own rule about moving Perennial Poppies.
Had one too close to a large Lavandula.
The Lavandula was too big for me to move so I dug the little poppy crown and transplanted it.
I'e no loss if it doesnt make it.I ordered more poppies last year when the co-ops didnt look like they were alive by july.
Whell in September they began to show.Now I have 30 poppies where I should only have 20.
I'll keep my eye on the trans.
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

November 20, 2009
10:14 PM

Post #7293770

Has anyone ever ordered poppy seeds from here? I like the looks of that Laurens Springer Grape poppy.

http://www.seedman.com/poppy.htm

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

November 20, 2009
10:18 PM

Post #7293787

Its sure a beauty
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

November 20, 2009
10:39 PM

Post #7293863

It's gorgeous!
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

November 20, 2009
11:07 PM

Post #7293982

Well, for $3 and another ordered @$3 + $4 shipping, it's worth it to give it a go! Wish me luck!!

This message was edited Nov 20, 2009 9:16 PM
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

November 21, 2009
2:08 AM

Post #7294608

I have enough poppy seeds to keep me for many years to come just have to get them growing hahahah

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

November 21, 2009
10:54 AM

Post #7295607

Thats a lot for shipping.
Check the envelope to see what It really cost.
If its a variety that no one else has - - go for it,
Otherwise I look around to find another vendor.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

November 22, 2009
4:25 AM

Post #7298553

try park seeds they are very affordable on the seeds and the shipping
I order from them all the time and they also have some really nice perennial poppies
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

November 22, 2009
5:49 AM

Post #7298697

Thanks, Mona. They were next on my list, but I was delaying going there as a form of "portion control". LOL

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

November 22, 2009
9:38 AM

Post #7298903

Its hard to be strong when ordering seeds
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

November 23, 2009
1:11 AM

Post #7301218

yup that is my weakness I love to gamble and I can control that I have never done it online and I have a full casino fifteen minutes from my house and have only been there maybe twice per year so four times since I moved here spending only about forty dollars each time well let me tell you when ordering seeds I do not have any control whats so ever since I have already spent about two hundred in the last month and I am still looking but now I am looking only since I dont have anymore money for a few weeks more like till after xmas lol

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

November 23, 2009
1:14 AM

Post #7301226

Its too early to freak out
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

November 23, 2009
1:19 AM

Post #7301238

what what are you saying last year I waited and when I went in january to order some of the seeds on my list what did I find SOLD OUT, SOLD OUT, SOLD OUT. on so many of them that I promised myself that it would never happen again so this year I have already ordered the must haves and I will look for deals in january and february and if I dont find anything that is just fine with me and my bank account hahahahah
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

November 23, 2009
3:50 AM

Post #7301802

I will buy some now and skip January as I already know that I won't have enough room to germinate them all even with new cold frames. I really want the varieties that I've chosen. We have a seed swap party in the MidAtlantic in February, so some will go there. Has anyone ordered from the gal in Belgium that's been running the ad in the classifieds? Her feedback is quite good and she sells all seeds for $1.50.

http://www.seedsite.eu/
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

November 25, 2009
1:36 AM

Post #7307407

most sellers that take paypall are legit since with paypal I have never had a problem with purchases using paypall, and its a pretty good price just make sure the zone info is the same
doridunn
Newfield, NY

December 5, 2009
11:06 PM

Post #7339437

boy i like the spoon for maker.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 6, 2009
9:57 PM

Post #7342423

I checked out the site you listed most of what is on there can be purchased at wal mart when their seeds come in nothing special or rare
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 6, 2009
10:21 PM

Post #7342475

Mona, It was basically that Lauren Springer Grape that I was interested in.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 6, 2009
11:56 PM

Post #7342766

just make sure it is going to make it by looking to see what your state says and it is seeds or a plant
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 7, 2009
12:51 AM

Post #7342953

Yes, it is seeds and since it's flat rate shipping I could get some of the walmart type of seeds from them too and save me the trip. I think I bought some seeds from this guy a few years back and they were fine. His common poppies come in cheap large quantities so I can save some for our local seed exchange.

Mona, I would love to grow some poppies of the size and vigor of those in Banff!!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 7, 2009
9:33 AM

Post #7344004

any pictures of Banff poppies?
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 7, 2009
1:19 PM

Post #7344219

they are also called artic poppies very pretty annuals that grow fast and sell seed great for an area that nothing else will grow or that has very late perennials

I have them in the back since I have a large lot they come early and then its just field wild flowers that take over when they are done

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 7, 2009
1:36 PM

Post #7344251

Its just beautiful
GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
(Zone 6a)

December 7, 2009
1:44 PM

Post #7344270

Have any of you winter sown poppies? Not directly in place, but in containers? I am thinking of trying it since my indoor sowing was unsuccessful.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 7, 2009
2:06 PM

Post #7344324

I havnt tried but I think there was a thread on it last year.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 8, 2009
2:40 AM

Post #7347151

yes they used milkjugs

I found the best way to do it indoors is to use a three inchesquare top that is about five inches deep and put in three seeds only and let them grow in there till transplant outside
annuals can just be planted direct in the spring and will bloom the first year, perennials will always only bloom the second year no matter what, the easiest way is to cut the bottom of the milk just clear a little area put some seeds spritzs with water to make sure they make good contact with the soil and sink the milk jug about three to four inches deep into the soil keeping the top where the cover goes open in the spring when you see that the plants are growing well and frost is over remove milk jug
GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
(Zone 6a)

December 8, 2009
7:44 AM

Post #7347811

That seems like a good method. I will try that! It would ensure that the poppies don't get damaged when transplanted.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 8, 2009
1:00 PM

Post #7348034

yes since they hate to be transplanted and this way they dont need to be and if you really think about how they propogate on their own they bloom in may and seeds are ready by end of july or early august and they seeds germinate late summer and grow then bloom the next year that is the natural cycle of these plants and we are changing it that is why are successes and failures more the latter since we are trying to change the natural process
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 8, 2009
2:49 PM

Post #7348290

Mona, When do you plant you seeds that you direct sow outdoors?
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 8, 2009
8:59 PM

Post #7349445

it depends on what they are arctic poppies can be just spread in the early spring do not cover since they need light to germinate and those are the ones that you see on ebay that has like a 1000 seeds for a couple of bucks

california poppies which come in many colors and are just beautifull as reseeding annuals should be done in the mid spring when the soil starts to warm up they will bloom end of june to frost and will reseed since they are low plants they look amazing anywhere and I never pull any out where ever they decide to grow I leave them since I tried to move a couple and they just died being poppies hahah they do not like being moved

actual annual poppies like the big pompoms etc... can also be sown early spring I would use a net or something to keep the birds from eating the seeds since all poppies need to be surface sown they need the light to germinate

perennials will NOT bloom the first year even if started in january it takes them two years to mature to give blooms for those you can actually put them out in the late fall in cold areas you can use a large milk jug or water jug whatever cut out the bottom insert into the ground about three to four inches to make sure it stays put this also works to help you remember in the spring where you planted them since they so look like weeds and young plants

or you can just plant them anytime in the spring or summer my best plants I actually started at the end of july they grew like crazy and so healthy lots of bloom sthe next year
since in nature the seeds disperse at the end of july to aujust but again you should use something to keep the birds away and make sure to keep moist till they start to grow

when they get established they as perennials will make a nice large clump that will bloom huge flowers but do remember to not plant any poppies except the california kind at the front of a border since they all die back in the heat and do not look nice again till the fall rains
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 9, 2009
3:23 AM

Post #7350611

Thank you Mona. I'm going to try a couple of different ways and see what works best. I'm with you though about mimicing their natural cycle. Perennial poppies are what I'm after. I grew a number of varieties from seed over the past few years with a slim survival rate among several varieites.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
9:40 AM

Post #7351141

I have tried OP's from seed and failed 100% so I just buy plants.
Last years experiment went great from April when I seeded the peat pots,I had germination and was affraid I would be over run with poppies.
BUT NO, in May I transplanted the tiny things and by June thay had dried up and disappeared even tho I watered.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
11:36 AM

Post #7351243

ge, Oriental Poppies do go dormant in summer, I'm curious if any of yours that disappeared may have just done that? Hopefully you'll see some show up in spring!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
11:43 AM

Post #7351254

NOPE
they had such small leaves ,barely 4 ,they just dehydrated and went to nothing.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
12:41 PM

Post #7351327

These are the somnifariums I sowed last december.This was taken in August

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scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 9, 2009
1:44 PM

Post #7351465

I had a few very small ones and then in september into october we had three weeks with lots of rain and they came back so dont give up they do go dormant and if you didnt get enough rain this fall they may show up in the spring

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
1:58 PM

Post #7351491

When these failed I bought others from a co-op.They went dorment early because they were plugs and realllllly tiiiiiny.
This Sept and Oct thay came up. The crowns are small but I can wait.
There are 8 in all around this curve with DL's
I thought i marked where they are but there is one at the right.

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stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 9, 2009
2:16 PM

Post #7351523

They are very strange. I find that they don't always go dormant. What's even stranger, I've found where I might have 3 of the same variety growing within 6' of one another and 1 will go dormant, and the other 2 won't.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
2:24 PM

Post #7351543

here is the right pix.
The top of this thread is the tail of my failed OP plan.

wrong again I give up.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
2:55 PM

Post #7351653

Just one more time.
I have been loading and posting garden albums and didnt want to stop for a pix edit.
Here is the verrrry last time for the co-op poppies.
I put the pix in Photoshop and made a duplicate with a file name i couldnt miss.

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timeinabottle
Louisville, KY

December 9, 2009
9:05 PM

Post #7352859

I tried something different this past year. When some of m y O pops were going dormant I cut them clear to the ground and planted allysum over them. Here is a pic of them today. I just didn't want to have that dying foliage in the middle of my garden.

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timeinabottle
Louisville, KY

December 9, 2009
9:20 PM

Post #7352903

This is a picture of volunteer orientals on November 5th . The 2 tiniest were transplanted on that date. The weather here was quite dry for November here. They got a splash of water on most days as needed.

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timeinabottle
Louisville, KY

December 9, 2009
9:35 PM

Post #7352971

These are the same two seedlings today. The other plants include larkspur transplanted seedlings and shirley poppy transplanted seedlings.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
9:52 PM

Post #7353022

I dont think I have ever seen OP self seed.Thanks
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
9:58 PM

Post #7353042

I've had several people tell me their OPs seed around. They give me seeds and nothing happens :-(

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2009
11:47 PM

Post #7353466

Im not an expert but perhaps here are varieies that self sow.
I had a deep cherry red one that sowed like mad.It was the only OP i had.
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 10, 2009
4:40 AM

Post #7354370

I keep hoping!!
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 14, 2009
2:52 AM

Post #7366351

as soon as I can get them going I take the seed heads and dump them just under the leaves of the parent the next year the patch gets bigger and bigger till its about fout to five feet wide then I start to give the seeds away for now I keep adding the seeds to get more plants I will plant more again this winter but in three inch square pots that are six inches deep so the plants can get large enough to plant out in may with five months of growing they will be bigger and healthier I will not quit till I have huge patches all over the place since I just love them

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 14, 2009
10:29 AM

Post #7366960

These must be Orientals Right?
Never the less its a good plan for Somnifariums
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 14, 2009
12:20 PM

Post #7367099

yes I love the orientals huge blooms

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 15, 2009
10:49 AM

Post #7370258

i'll look for seeds on mine
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 15, 2009
1:26 PM

Post #7370452

I always look for the poppies with the largest blooms to make a bigger show then I look for california poppies any new color since they bloom all summer and start when the larger veriaties are finished I love the delicate petals and the vibrant color of the bloom

these ones are just huge and beautifull

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 15, 2009
2:34 PM

Post #7370697

I'll say!!!
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 16, 2009
3:23 AM

Post #7372931

should have lots more this year since lots didnt get big enough to bloom and I am starting more this year since I have lots of space I want huge patches every where

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 16, 2009
9:42 AM

Post #7373430

I could die for more space,of course I would need a younger body to do the work.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 17, 2009
12:49 AM

Post #7375495

or like me I have lots of space but I dont garden all of it some areas are wild and I dont plan on doing a darn thing to it since the birds love it just the way it is and I dont see a need to landscape it I do smaller areas that are manageable like around the pool off the drive way so it looks pretty, since last year we started working on an section which will be a shade area garden but will not be complete for another two or three years and then it will probably another couple after that before the plants really start to look good, its a on the side project when we feel like it hahahhahah DH is getting impatient to see it finished he actually do you believe it actually went out and worked on it on his own hahaha I never thought I would see the day but now he says it relaxes him so who knows it may get done sooner rather than later
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 17, 2009
2:20 AM

Post #7375706

Very Very good work, Mona, turning that guy into a gardener!!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 17, 2009
10:51 AM

Post #7376388

I dont have the energy to garden all day.
Thats what it would take for me to tend some of the gardens on this web.
I am an early morning person ,so thats when everything gets done including photos.
I dont trust the grandkids to weed.
GS did remove part of a hydrangea last summer.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 17, 2009
12:34 PM

Post #7376495

this is an annuals reseeding kind that bloomed in july and august its a partial double and I had it is pink, red and purple

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 17, 2009
12:46 PM

Post #7376514

very nice
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 17, 2009
1:04 PM

Post #7376547

here is another color

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 17, 2009
1:04 PM

Post #7376549

beautiful
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 17, 2009
1:07 PM

Post #7376555

here is the solid pink

I hope they reseed and I have more fo them this coming year so delicate and pretty and they actually kept blooming for about 2.5 months so that made me very happy

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scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 17, 2009
1:09 PM

Post #7376562

I actually kept sprinkling all the seeds back in the same area I hope it all grow would love to have lots more of them growing in that corner this year

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 17, 2009
1:11 PM

Post #7376569

It will happen.
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 17, 2009
2:36 PM

Post #7376794

Can't wait to see your photos.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 17, 2009
10:00 PM

Post #7377894

I still like the california poppies the colors and the fact that they bloom all summer into the late fall when I first started to plant them it was the original orange now they come in red, pink, white and some combinations and also in partial doubles oh and peach color

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 18, 2009
12:31 AM

Post #7378289

I have a Jersy Cream,its great
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 18, 2009
12:33 AM

Post #7378297

I am already getting impatient to start gardening again and I still have to wait another four to five months this is killing me
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 18, 2009
3:14 AM

Post #7378754

Mona, I really like that red double.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 18, 2009
9:48 AM

Post #7379284

Killing YOU?
I am nuts with freezing and snow.Its 6* now and went down to 51* in the house.No wonder some of my coleus are not doing well.
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 18, 2009
1:26 PM

Post #7379499

51 in the house would be killing my sinuses. Ge, What did you have the thermostat set at?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 18, 2009
2:02 PM

Post #7379565

Thermostat is programable and is set to go down to 64 until 4AM
I live in an addition to the house that never has a temp reading the same as the rest of the house.
When outside temps get below 20 its no holds barred as to what the temp will get down to.
I am prepared ,fleece PJ's and 2 comforters.
I actually like it cold for sleep.
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 18, 2009
2:24 PM

Post #7379607

I like a cool house too, but don't think I've ever seen the inside temp go below 60.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 18, 2009
10:52 PM

Post #7380813

I keep the heat at 68 when we are home and it goes down to 60 during the day when we are out the first thing we do when we walk in is start a fire in the fireplace a nice big one and keep it going till we go to bed that way its so much cheaper on the heating oil since that is all I can get out here unless we go thermal and that is about 20 thousand dollars more than we have hahahhaahh
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 18, 2009
11:02 PM

Post #7380849

I have a few seeds from this one I had it in toronto and will start it here this year

http://www.swallowtailgardenseeds.com/perennials/poppy_assortedper.html

check it out 4 to 5 feet tall and 8 inch blooms absolutely gorgeous
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 19, 2009
1:53 AM

Post #7381253

I was looking to order that one, but several places I read that it hates hot humid summers, but yet it says zones to 8. I have the perfect spot for those. Mona, what month did they bloom for you in Toronto?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 19, 2009
12:00 PM

Post #7381772

Love the tangerine poppy.Hope it goes crazy for you.
scicciarella
Mona in Metcalfe, ON
(Zone 5a)

December 20, 2009
6:47 PM

Post #7385260

the large perennial ones bloomed end of may into june and the seed heads would be ready end of july into august the the first year of bloom I always just add the seeds just under the leaves of the mother plant to make the patch bigger that is why I believe that sowing them mid summer if a good thing since they always germinated and I had amazing healthy plants that bloomed the next year

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 20, 2009
7:42 PM

Post #7385384

Its wise to follow the plants habits.
Pippi21
Silver Spring, MD
(Zone 6b)

July 3, 2010
12:04 AM

Post #7939591

How did you manage to write on the back of those plastic spoons? That would be the hardest thing for me to accomplish. What type of paint pen did you use? Fine point? I would have thought the shape of the spoon would have made your writing become unledgeable. Nice job!
Pippi21
Silver Spring, MD
(Zone 6b)

July 3, 2010
12:06 AM

Post #7939593

They have deeper cell packs because I got some from somebody at our May plant swap. These guys had a station wagon and the back was loaded with every kind of nursery pot size imaginable, plus the flimsy cell packs. I saw the deeper ones and asked if I could have those, Sure take as many as you want, but I only took a couple of each size. Didn't want to be greedy.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

July 3, 2010
1:39 AM

Post #7939609

I am giving up the seed starting part of gardening.Its too much work and I dont have the proper place for keeping them over winter.It used to be fum to anticipate germination and watch the bebies grow,but not after ruining my coffee table from water splatters.
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 4, 2010
2:45 PM

Post #7943107

GE, I gave up that indoor sowing and now only direct sow or use the milk jugs and leave them outside all winter. I even sowed in the jugs in the early spring and that was fine too. The herbs, I sowed directly in their destination planters outside and they were fine.

Unfortunately, it snowed and stayed snow covered before I could get the poppies sown outdoors this winter. They are resting in the fridge until late fall.

But even the tomatoes, last year as I picked tomatoes, any that were unsighlly or bad, I just threw back into the pot. I grow all of my tomatoes in pots. This spring I must have had 100 tomato plants come up. I had to give tons of them away. I was careful about throwing them back into the right pots to keep the varieties seperated. They are all bearing fruit now. How easy is that for veggie gardening?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

July 5, 2010
1:44 AM

Post #7944000

Sounds good Stormyla Our toms are not as big as I thought they would be. They are in the garden but the pot idea might be for next year.

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