I'm just waiting for the danger of frost to be past. There is a frost warning for tonight. I'll probably set them out next weekend. I just don't want to risk losing them. They are doing so well. This is going to be beautiful. I'm planting them up and down my mom's fence. I'm doing it for Mother's Day. I have tons of Gaillardias and other plants too. Can't wait for this cold spell to pass.
I think they would be fine, especially as far south as you live. Even here, I'd plant them out now at that size. Remember, rudbeckia and hollyhocks are perennial and biennials. They tolerate winters just fine when planted in garden beds with no protection. Most of my rudbeckia hirtas stay green all winter even here in my zone 6 yard with below zero temperatures. Hollyhocks have no problem with severe winter weather, either.
For most plants, the sooner they get to sink their feet into a real garden bed the better they will do.
It's supposed to get below freezing Monday night and the high Tuesday is 40 something. I think I'll wait till Wednesday when it's above freezing to plant them. They are looking so good. I'd hate to lose them when it gets below freezing. I have too many to cover. This is going to be an amazing flower bed. I've got tons of Foxgloves and other plants that won't bloom this year, but next year should be amazing.
I finally got my first 2 jugs planted out in the past few days- one california poppies and the other digitalis. I have others ready to go- just no time to do it.
And finally after a pretty dry spring we've had lots of rain in the last few days. Laura Bush petunia needs to go out too, it's suddenly trying to grow up out of the jug. Rain always seems to help sprout the seeds, so maybe some of the slowpokes will wake up. And another freeze warning for tonight.
I still have a couple of tenders to sow, like castor beans and zinnias. I ordered a few of them from Diane's but they haven't arrived yet.
tcs, I sympathize with you about the weather. You startled me with the talk of planting MGs now! We're in the same zone. Today we had another snowstorm, very late. I don't think it would be a good idea for me to plant MG seeds yet. Are you WSing them?
I"m not sure how I"m gonna do the MG's. I actually found a seedling in one of my flower beds the other day.
I may just do the WS thing and put them out side. I have 1 flat left to where i can use a heat mat, but not sure if i'll use it or not.
and... IT's raining yet AGAIN.
at least the stuff i put out will get watered.
and -- we rarely get snow this time of the year... we may have a cold night or two... rarely a frost, but it's a possibility, but rare. but ya figure... these days with the whacky weather... ya never say never.
Elizabethtown, yes, 2 liter pop bottles work well. My favorite container is a gallon milk jug. It holds enough volume of potting mix to retain moisture well. They also need about 3" of potting mix, lots of drainage holes, and no screw-on cap is used. You want rain and snow to water them.
If you cruise around Trudi's site, linked above, there is a lot of information on containers, too.
I had a lot of trouble planting "chia pet" milk jugs of snapdragons and shirley poppies. Very frustrating trying to seperate the 100 or so seedlings per jug and I ended up planting a lot of hunks (just not enough room for them all!) However, I now have had beautiful plants for a few weeks. Poppies since mid-June. Well worth the effort.
sandstreet, how did your Snapdragons do once you got them set out? I've started mine indoors the last couple of years in hopes of getting them in the ground early, but they grew so slowly as seedlings, it ended up being late May before they were big enough to plant anyway. I may just WS them from now on.
Thanks, I'm going to WS them from now on. This year I did see blooms on the Snaps in mid June, so I guess I did get a little bit of a head start indoors, but last year it was mid July when they started blooming (also started in February indoors). So I'll bypass transplanting and keeping a watchful eye on babies under lights!
Karen, I had some survive last winter too. I love that 'Black Prince'!
I love Black Prince, too. It looks like burgundy velvet. Some, from saved seed over the last few years, have mutated to lighter burgundy, some to burgundy and white like "night and day" snapdragon. All pretty though, and if I leave the seeds to drop naturally, volunteer well, obviously.
nannie, I had that spotted bee balm on an order I just placed and at the last minute took it off... man I wish I had been on this thread before I placed that order I would have for sure gotten it. Love it. You wouldn't by any chance have any seeds from it you would like to share...? I've got almost 200 different seeds ???
with all the rain we had, i didnt get alot of my seeds gathered in time, but i might have saved some earlier too. my dining room is off limits right now...theres seeds everywhere!!!! and a method to my madness!
those seeds came from an herb seed swap. yay for DG
Stupid question but I still need to ask this. Okay, I'm fast forwarding to Feb. when I start my seeds in milk jugs or wintersowing containers outdoors. When the seedlings start shooting up leaves, and are crowding each other for light, do I take and transfer to a single pot under grow or shop lights until the weather allows them to be planted outdoors in the flower beds? What is the best method of separating the crowded seedlings without damaging them? If I can't scatter up 1 gal. milk or beverage jugs, can I use the 1/2 ga. size instead?
Pippi: Never bring wintersown plants into a heated house. I mean NEVER.
Sow hardy annuals and perennials in winter, don't sow tender annuals until close to spring.
So that means your first sprouts should be perennials and HAs. In my zone that's around March. I just let 'em stay in their jugs until I plant out in the garden. These HAs and perennials can be planted into the garden as soon as they're big enough to handle and the soil is thawed. Subsequent frosts and freezes won't hurt them- that's why their called hardy.
Here's a jug of marigolds way past due to be planted out. Their bad Mom neglected them for a long time, but they obviously didn't notice.
>>If I can't scatter up 1 gal. milk or beverage jugs, can I use the 1/2 ga. size instead?
I use containers of all sizes. As long as you have the 'depth' you are fine [you want about 4" of potting mix in there for the root growth] ... i'll use 1 gal, 1/2 gal, qt sized [like for half and half] . I'll use the large yogurt and sour cream container... even though they are white, the sunlight does get thru.
the nice things about milk jugs though, gal or half gal.. you have that nice built in handle. Most others i will have in a card board box - so they are corralled and to make moving them more easier.
Another nice thing about jugs is all that headroom. In case of frost I can still flip the top back onto the jug as a frost cover. If you use shallow containers there isn't enough headroom to do that.
That blob of marigolds above was pretty tall, the plants already in bud when I planted them out. Here's a picture of the blob right-side-up. I just dump it into a flat and cut into chunks with a knife and plant the hunks. A gallon can be cut into a lot of little chunks, as small as about an inch square.
Normally I'd water a jug before doing that. I must have been in a real hurry because it look dry!
I just wanted to come here and rave over Rudbeckia "Goldilocks." The ones I posted at the top of this thread were beautiful this year! They bloomed nonstop all summer. People stopped wanting to know what they were. Here's one of my pics of them...
Those are gorgeous!! I guess I'm gonna have to actually give WS a try instead of "contemplating" it:lol: I work at a walmart and we're always dumping outdated gallons of milk so I'll just ask if I can snatch some of the empties. I don't do much dairy drinking so even in a year I'd never accumulate even 6 containers:lol:
I've got Rudbeckia Tiger Eye and Cherry Brandy, Penstemon Violet Dusk and Electric Blue I want to try. Oh, and Lupine Morello Cherry.
I'll have to research how big to make the drain holes and all that--don't want to have swampland in my containers:lol:
dmac... do report back if you get germination on your Electric Blue. I did 21 seeds last year, got one seedling i am babying in the house over the winter. They are not hardy here and i was hoping to at least see it BLOOM.
>>I'll have to research
do check out the sticky at the top of the forum. We worked on it hard one year to get all the "good stuff" in there from older threads.
Nannie_56..where are your plant markers in your jugs or have you written the names on the side of the jugs with a paint pen or permanent marker? I think I saw duct tape that had been ripped off to the side, like you use duct tape to hold the jugs together? Do you write on the duct tape the name of the plant perhaps? Everything sure looks nice and healthy. Keep up the good work! Now somebody WS some larkspur..I want to hear about that because I want to plant some if I can find the seed online.