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tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2009
2:15 PM

Post #6344698

Here is a new thread for posting what we have sown so far.

Here is where we came from http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/960226/

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Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2009
2:52 PM

Post #6344860

just marking my place on this new thread :-)
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

March 31, 2009
4:51 PM

Post #6345345

Thank you for new thread from a dial upper. It is much appreciated!
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

March 31, 2009
5:15 PM

Post #6345464

Joining in here as well.
Indygardengal
Brownstown, IN
(Zone 5b)

March 31, 2009
5:27 PM

Post #6345519

Today sowed my alyssum in the "brownie pan" I used 2 1/2 pkgs of seed and used the top of those plastic fruit trays you get at the deli one on top and one on bottom. Tied together with twist ties from garbage bags. Wanted to use my coated wire that I could cut to the length that I needed but it was nowhere near the spot it has been in for the 5 or 6 years I have had it. hmmmm... That should conclude my wsowing for this year.
Shirb
Thief River Falls, MN
(Zone 3b)

March 31, 2009
11:11 PM

Post #6346973

Thank you tcs1366...this is much better!
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 1, 2009
3:05 AM

Post #6348077

Indynanny, nothing is ever where it was when you need it to be there. You shoulda known better.
Sonoita
Sonoita, AZ
(Zone 8a)

April 1, 2009
5:56 PM

Post #6350273

Time to plant out my cucumbers, now I just have to hide them from my peafowl.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 1, 2009
7:07 PM

Post #6350688

I still have zinnia's and comos to do...just waiting a bit. I have sprouts in both of containers of Lady In Red Salvia. That makes me very happy!!!

Oh I have to to do my dill too...forgot about it!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2009
7:45 PM

Post #6350863

I do have one Cosmos sprout. it's the White Sensation.
sandstreet
Kinderhook, NY
(Zone 5b)

April 1, 2009
8:19 PM

Post #6351002

Here are my results so far. This has been a fun project! The true test will be whether I actually get flowering plants when all is said and done.

The first date listed is the "sow" date. The second date listed is the "germination" date.

Delphinium Magic Fountains Dark Blue W/D , 3-Feb, 24-Mar
Delphinium Magic Fountains Sky Blue with White Bee, 3-Feb, 26-Mar
Delphinium Magic Fountains Cherry Blossom W/W, 3-Feb, 24-Mar
Black Eyed Susan Vine Sunrise Surprise, 3-Feb, not yet
Lobelia Fountain Blue, 3-Feb, 27-Mar
Shasta Daisy Crazy Daisy, 3-Feb, 18-Mar
Cosmos BiPinnatus Gazebo Red, 3-Feb, not yet
Dowdswell Delphinium Gift Genuine Mix, 3-Feb, 24-Mar
Dowdswell Delphinium Royal Aspirations (mix of blues), 3-Feb, 31-Mar
Dowdswell Delphinium Sunny Skies (light blue/white bees), 3-Feb, 19-Mar
Burpee Pacific Giant (left over from 2008), 3-Feb, not yet
Morning Glory Mount Fuji Mix, 11-Feb, not yet
Larkspur, 11-Feb, 31-Mar
Pumpkin Jack be little, 11-Feb, not yet
our collected nasturtium seeds, 16-Feb, not yet
hercules pumpkin, 16-Feb, not yet
fordhook snapdragon, 16-Feb, 27-Mar
shirley poppy, 16-Feb, 18-Mar
snowdrift marigold, 16-Feb, not yet
Parsley Big Italy Burpee Sig, 22-Feb, not yet
cilantro Coriander Burpee Sig, 22-Feb, not yet
Sweet Basil Ocimum basilicum Burpee Sig, 22-Feb, not yet
Sweet Marjoram origanum marjorana burpee not sig, 22-Feb, 27-Mar
Connecticut Yankee Delphiniums, 2-Mar, not yet
Black Eyed Susan Vine Sunrise Surprise, 2-Mar, not yet
Shasta Daisy Crazy Daisy (0558), 2-Mar, 31-Mar
Hollyhock Peaches and Dreams, 2-Mar, 31-Mar
Red Burst Aster, 2-Mar, 18-Mar
Maxmillian Seeds, 16-Mar, not yet
Grandpa Ott Morning Glory Seeds, 16-Mar, not yet
Shirley poppy, 16-Mar, 31-Mar
Foxglove Excelsior Hybrid Mix, 16-Mar, not yet
Flowering Cabbage Ornamental Mix, 16-Mar, 31-Mar
Hollyhock Peaches and Dreams (1022), 16-Mar, 31-Mar
Delphinium Butterfly Blend, 17-Mar, not yet
Delphinium Magic Fountain Sky Blue, 17-Mar, not yet
Delphinium Magic Fountain Cherry Blossom, 17-Mar, not yet
Red Velvet Celosia, 22-Mar, not yet
Flowering Cabbage Ornamental Mix, 22-Mar, not yet
Pumpkin Hercules, 22-Mar, not yet
Pumpkin Jack be little, 22-Mar, not yet
Dowdswell Delphinium Sunny Skies (light blue/white bees), 31-Mar, not yet
Echinacea White Swan, 31-Mar, not yet


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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

April 1, 2009
10:01 PM

Post #6351381

Sandstreet: Wow, what a list! Great job there. Hope they all bloom for you. None of my delphs sprouted or at least not yet, but some I have read take a long time to do so. I'll leave them alone and see what, if anything, happens. I will try again, though.
sandstreet
Kinderhook, NY
(Zone 5b)

April 1, 2009
10:49 PM

Post #6351589

I had all my Delphinium seeds in the freezer for at least 2 weeks before sowing. See if that helps. Also, I don't think I'll get anything out of my oldest seed packet -- nothings coming up in that jug. I hear Delph seed needs to be fresh. Good Luck!! It's well worth it!
ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2009
11:44 PM

Post #6351836

My Delphinium Magic Fountain mix has sprouted, but the Blue Butterfly Delph hasn't. I didn't plant them at the same time though. The Magic Fountain was planted 3/7 and sprouted 3/29 and the Butterfly was only planted 3/15.
That was a 22 day germination for the Magic Fountain in Zone 7, so hopefully yours will sprout yet..we never give up hope, right? :)
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

April 2, 2009
12:52 AM

Post #6352188

Well, since those delphs were some of my first WS'd seeds in December, I think they're probably not going to sprout, so I'm sowing some more this weekend to see if I can get some up and growing.
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 2, 2009
2:18 AM

Post #6352606

Very nice. I still have some veggies to do as well as my cosmos and gazania. I have to go through my seed box and see what else is in there.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2009
2:49 AM

Post #6352804

Have hope on the delphs. I have some sprouting, but it was a long wait. Planted in Feb. and sprouting this past week.

Karen

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2009
2:57 AM

Post #6352848

Karen,,, did you chill your Delph seeds first? I've put mine in the frig... but i dont have much hope for them, as they are old seeds.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2009
3:08 AM

Post #6352914

No, I didn't chill them first. Mother Nature did it for me.

Karen
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 2, 2009
11:01 AM

Post #6353683

I'm curious to see if mine germinate. I've not had luck previously.
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2009
4:56 PM

Post #6354886

We have germination!

I haven't been looking at my containers b/c I didn't want to be disappointed. Today is a warm, sunny day, so I took a look. The Lewis' flax is showing little sprouts in 2 containers. There's also a prairie blazing star sprout in another container. Three out of 20+ containers - not a lot yet, but a good sign this early in the season.

I noticed many of the seeds had risen to the surface of the mix in some of the containers, so I sprinkled new potting mix over the top in those containers. Hopefully that won't disorient 'em.

BTW, has anyone else had a transparent, gelatinous goo emerge in some of their containers? I've seen it in several. When I pick it up, it literally feels like Jell-o. Anyone know what that is?
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 2, 2009
5:01 PM

Post #6354912

I think I saw that movie! Save the town!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2009
6:48 PM

Post #6355354

>>gelatinous goo emerge in some of their containers? I've seen it in several. When I pick it up, it literally feels like Jell-o. Anyone know what that is?

sounds like Water-sorb crystals.

Is it possible that there was some in your potting mix?

I know one year i had a small bowl blow over in the wind... i still find "jello" after a heavy rain in the oddest places in my yard.
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2009
7:51 PM

Post #6355608

I thought it might be related to something in the mix. I'll have to check, but that's probably what it is.
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

April 2, 2009
10:45 PM

Post #6356299

Woe is me. I still have no sprouts. Nada. Zip. Zero Nada. Not a one :(

I am patiently (okay - not really patiently) waiting.

I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I wanna believe. I really do. Oh. I really do!

Pouting in my corner for now

Elaine and the ever-so-loyal Otis
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 2, 2009
10:52 PM

Post #6356320

Maybe your seeds are procratinators.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2009
11:08 PM

Post #6356390

Procrastinator, I have not one single sprout either, and I'm in zone 6a. I want to believe too!!!! Is there still hope? I'm sure glad I did a bit of indoor planting.
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 2, 2009
11:11 PM

Post #6356407

There is always hope!
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

April 2, 2009
11:31 PM

Post #6356539

I did indoor planting too. And I am continuing to do so. Guess we just have to be patient.

I have to tell myself that so many wonderful people would not be so enthusiastic about a method that doesn't work.

I am not paranoid enough to believe that it is some kind of practical joke that everyone has singled me out to be the butt of. Now that is just crazy thinking.

Mother Nature knows best. That is what I will keep telling myself. I know that I will see sprouts soon. We still are getting below freezing temps at night so I guess I just have to patiently wait.

I'll be shouting from the roof tops when I see my first sprout. You can bet on that :)

Take care all and BTW - It is comforting to know that I am not alone and have a friend in 6a without sprouts too.

Hugs Elaine and Otis
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2009
12:25 AM

Post #6356787

I think it depends a lot on what you sowed and where your containers are located. I don't have any vegetables or "tried and true" garden plants, just wild species, mostly natives. Seems as if many of the germination reports from colder zones have been of cold-season veggies & the more common garden plants.

However, my containers are on a deck where they get a lot of sun, so that might help them emerge early. Being on a deck does mean that there's air underneath the containers, and most nights have been freezing here, so that factor might slow them down. Given all the factors involved, I'm not worried yet about the low germination rate I'm getting.

This message was edited Apr 2, 2009 8:39 PM
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2009
12:41 AM

Post #6356866

I also suspect that zone doesn't tell us everything about the conditions for germination. I live in a middling zone because we don't extreme temps, but our winter will last longer than that of someone in zone 5 in southern Illinois. The seeds might "know" to wait longer, until day and night temps are higher.
sandstreet
Kinderhook, NY
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2009
12:45 AM

Post #6356889

The plants that I have germinating are things that like the cold.

Only 3 things I sowed March 16th are up (Poppy, Flowering Cabbage, Hollyhock). Everything else coming up was sowed 3/2 or earlier.

Also I have my jugs on a very dark green deck, so I think it really warms them up and retains the heat. Hang in there! This is the first time for me and I am now a believer!
garden6
Lansing, KS
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2009
1:13 AM

Post #6357007

I have several more babies in addition to my previous sproutlets of black-eyed susan, digitalis 'Excelsior', lauren grape poppy today there are babies of tall mixed dianthus, autumn clematis, rose of sharon, heliopsis helianthoides,
purple petunia, cosmos 'Sensation', cosmos pink, allium, coreopsis grandiflora, salvia' Brenthurst' , salvia tall peach and rose campion. Our temperatures have decreased after the weekend snowstorm, but Spring is really coming!
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

April 3, 2009
1:53 AM

Post #6357219

Elaine: You'll have sprouts, I'm sure. This was my first attempt at WSing and I'm a believer. I never would have thought this would work, but it does, and I'm amazed at some of the things that sprouted for me using this method: Codonopsis, Rudbeckia, salvias, Gaillardia, Clarkia and finally my Buxton's Blue geranium! Yeehaa!
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2009
11:00 AM

Post #6358269

Elaine, spring weather is heading your way, so I'm betting you'll be seeing sprouts soon. Considering your zone, I'd say your right on track :-)
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 3, 2009
11:22 AM

Post #6358313

No two zones are a like - many have microclimates. I also agree that it depends on what you sowed and when you sowed it.
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2009
4:39 PM

Post #6359480

This was my first year to WS and I felt foolish doing it, but so many were extolling the virtues of the practice that I had to try. My only regret is that I did not do more. I am looking forward to next year. I will save seed this year and will buy dicounted seed at end of season, so that I am prepared.
I think that seed saving will be an important part of next year's gardening. The seed companies are all reporting a record sale year. We all know that companies of all sort in the past have always raised prices after a bumper year. I am afraid next year seed prices are going to go thru the roof.
Kylaluaz
Clinton, WA
(Zone 7b)

April 3, 2009
7:08 PM

Post #6360028

I just sowed more leaf lettuce, chard, and spinach. The first lettuce and spinach are already planted out in their container homes, the first sowing of the chard is in the sproutlet stage, but I want more! More!

Lol. Today it is snowing sweetly out there, in between bouts of sunshine, everybody has their hats off being kissed by the snowflakes.

At night now when it freezes I do cover the ones that are germinated, and the open containers, with fabric, but I am leaving the newer jugs uncovered except for their regular "hats". Yesterday I sowed about 8 different ones, salvia, cleome, agastache, a few other things -- seeds I had just gotten.

Spring is sure a crazy time! But I think I am learning what works for me with wintersowing and what does better in other ways. I wintersowed some Morning Glory and as of yet, nothing. So I soaked some seeds and sowed them inside on a sunny windowsill (inside a ziplock bag) and they sprouted in two days.

Right now I have tomatoes, peppers, basil, one variety of foxglove that did not germinate in its WS pot, cucumbers, all lined up on that sunny windowsill.

Two varieties of foxglove did germinate outside but for some reason this one did not so giving it the option this way. ;-)

This morning I had fresh spinach and kale leaves in my omelette, something I never could have had, from my own growing, if I had not wintersown them.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 3, 2009
7:26 PM

Post #6360094

Kathy -- also watch the Seed Trading Forum... you can find some great finds in there... and there is usually a big Swap going on after seed harvesting starts [Sept - Jan/Feb time frame]

I generally do not buy seeds anymore.

Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

April 3, 2009
8:41 PM

Post #6360371

Thanks to all for your wonderful, supportive words. I will keep watching.

If I was a seed I wouldn't really want to start sprouting until the weather was consistently nicer too.

I am going to be more active in the seed trading this fall. At least that is my goal. I will be forever grateful to Neal for giving me a much needed boost - his knowledge and his generous gift of wonderful seeds.

Thanks again
Will keep you posted

Hugs Elaine and Otis
Sonoita
Sonoita, AZ
(Zone 8a)

April 4, 2009
4:10 PM

Post #6363453

OK does this sound right to any of you? As I was planting out my cucumbers yesterday I noticed dozens of sprouts, upon closer examination I saw that they were from a rogue tomato that got away from me last year. OK so that's not so odd, except NONE of my WS tomatoes have sprouted! What's that all about?
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 4, 2009
4:15 PM

Post #6363465

Sonoita, as someone recently pointed out to me, the ground is warmer than the soil in your WS containers, so stuff in the ground is likely to sprout first.
Sonoita
Sonoita, AZ
(Zone 8a)

April 4, 2009
4:24 PM

Post #6363496

Seems upside down. Maybe I should go and put seeds in the ground and see who sprouts first.
Sonoita
Sonoita, AZ
(Zone 8a)

April 6, 2009
2:31 PM

Post #6371795

I'm thinking I starting my WS late for my area. My seedlings, those that have sprouted are still rather small, and my planting time is now, the beginning of April. I had hopped to have more mature plants and a higher germination rate.
Now what I have learned is that peaty pots in tubs get too wet & too dry too easily even with a lid. Styrofoam cups in tubs w/ lids work at ~80% germination. My milk jugs have ~70% germination thus far. Strawberry flats are EXTREMELY temperamental and need close monitoring, grocery bags around them when they are wet helps tremendously, but still I won't use them again. My jugs that were not soaked in a basin of water every 3 days or so dried out quickly, so I need to get large deep platters/pans to ensure uniform wetness.
Any feed back?
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2009
4:50 PM

Post #6372536

My seeds are planted in 2 liter bottles and half gallon milk jugs. They are jammed into platic milk crates. I take the milk crates one at a time and set them down into an old kitty litter pan full of water. I leave them there for a few minutes and then put another one in. It was the easiest way that I could put together for watering without disturbing seed or sprouts.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2009
5:40 PM

Post #6372834

that sounds like it works pretty well. i use a spray bottle ... not the best in the world, as i'm always stooped over and it does not thoroughly wet the soil, only top layer or so ... but it keeps the seeds damp.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2009
8:35 PM

Post #6373611

Hmmm...my wintersown seeds always sprout before those in the ground. The containers would definitely fluctuate more in temps than the ground, they reach higher temps than the ground when its warm, but freeze solid again easily when the temps drop.
Sonoita
Sonoita, AZ
(Zone 8a)

April 6, 2009
10:37 PM

Post #6374165

My zone and micro climate is such things dry out pretty quickly if not closely watched. We are having a lot of wind these past 2 weeks, which doesn't help.
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
1:39 AM

Post #6375152

I've never watered my containers or seedlings, but our climate is pretty wet in spring.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
2:22 AM

Post #6375456

Our climate is pretty wet here is spring, too. My pots have been staying moist for the most part, though a few are drying out. I've been using a watering can to sprinkle them when they get dry. Some seem to be staying too moist, though so far it doesn't seem to be affecting the sproutlets much. So far, so good, though I've had zero germination of columbines and only one variety of digitalis has sprouted. I was hoping for more, but maybe they will still come.

Karen

Bookerc1

Bookerc1
Mackinaw, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 7, 2009
4:27 AM

Post #6376021

I've had no action in any of my columbine containers, either. Are they difficult to germinate? Some were saved seeds, from friends' plants, so I guess I don't know if those are sterile or not, but there was a whole packet of Barlow Mixed colors that I purchased, that I would have thought would grow.

I do have digitalis sprouting. . .TONS of them. I think I oversowed those by quite a bit! I'll definitely be taking a bunch of those to the Iowa Round-Up next month! They'll probably still be tiny, but with this many, I could give everyone ten and still have dozens left over! LOL

Too funny. My spell-check didn't like the word "oversowed" and wants to replace it with "oversexed." I think I need a more botanically-based dictionary! LOL

Angie
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
11:46 AM

Post #6376552

Totally normal for Columbines to be very erratic germinating. I have 6 or 8 varieties sown, and 2 have sprouted, and I think this is the earliest I've ever had any Columbine up. I won't give up on any of those containers till July (..yep, once I even had a container wait that long to sprout!).
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 7, 2009
12:07 PM

Post #6376621

My containers all seem fine with moisture.

As for columbine, I sowed 6 varieties and 1 has sprouted. I really think zone, sow date and local conditions will cause many variabilities with this process. A zone 8 person cannot really expect the same results as a zone 5. A more arid garden cannot expect the same results as a more humid one. That being said two people in zone 6 can have completely different results as well as one may have more shade or rain than the other. That is why I keep records so that I know what works for me.

For items that you want mature plants, purchase at a nursery or start early indoors. That is not what this is method is about. For me wintersowing is a money saving way of stocking my garden with a larger variety of plants. I may not have large plants to start off with, but they catch up pretty quickly. For example; even though I can w/s impatiens I don't. The plants don't mature enough to bloom until July/Aug. Therefore, I purchase them from the nursery for earlier color.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
12:16 PM

Post #6376656

With Columbine, I've read that it also depends on the age of the seed. The fresher the seed the faster they germinate, but as the seed ages the seed coat hardens, requiring more freezing/thawing and time to sprout.

I used a different potting mix for several containers this year that is very free draining, and have had to watch those a little closer for moisture. The peat based mixes hold moisture better for me (sometimes too well, which is why I tried another this year).
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
2:45 PM

Post #6377222

I've had very high germination rates with the native columbine Aquilegia canadensis in the past. Sometimes it did take a while, though.
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2009
3:48 PM

Post #6377556

Angie, maybe spell check is correct. Perhaps your digtalis is oversexed.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2009
3:52 PM

Post #6377574

LOL!!!!
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
7:57 PM

Post #6378546

gemini sage: which potting mix did you use that is NOT peat based? Just curious

Karen

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 8, 2009
2:04 AM

Post #6380179

I finally sowed some more seeds today. Took me nearly 2 hours to sow the following:

Maiden Pinks
Malva 'Mystic Merlin'
Malva 'Snow White'
Penstemon Barbatus 'Iron Maiden'
Penstemon 'Miniature Bells'
Verbascum 'Banana Custard'
Verbascum 'Phoenicium Hybrids'
Alcea rosea 'Chater's Double Icicle'
Alcea rosea 'Creme De Cassis'
Viola 'Syletas' (Cyclamen Leaved Violet)
Viola 'Freckles'
Viola x hybrida 'Magnifico'
Viola x hybrida 'Blue Shades'
Achillea 'Cherries Jubilee'

Karen
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 8, 2009
2:00 PM

Post #6381734

Karen, it was Wonder brand I got from Lowes. It was really cheap, so I tried a bag and was surprised to find it's pretty good. It has a lot of fine bark in it and drains well. I've used it for my tender bulb plants and Rex begonias, they seem to be happy with it. I won't use it for my hanging baskets or smaller pots of annuals though, its too free draining for those. I think it will be good for geraniums too.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 8, 2009
7:54 PM

Post #6383055

Did you try it for any seed starting? I've wondered about the ones containing bark and how well they'd sprout seeds.

Karen
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 8, 2009
11:56 PM

Post #6384088

Karen, I did (use it for indoor seed starting), and have been very pleased with it as a starting medium. I've had a tendency in the past to keep peat based mediums too wet, but this stuff worked like a charm. I sterilized it in the microwave first.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 9, 2009
12:23 AM

Post #6384195

Thanks. I have made my own similar mixes for summer containers with fine pines, peat, perlite, and vermiculite. But I never tried it for seed starting, thought those bark chips might not be the best medium for seed starting. I hope I can remember that next year.

Karen
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

April 9, 2009
10:19 PM

Post #6388413

Did you hear a big loud Yippee about 1/2 an hour ago? That was me.

I am so happy to tell you that while I was away from home for three days something magical happened. It may have started before I left but I neglected to have a look at my containers the week before I left. I have three containers with sprouts!!!:-)!!!

2 containers are California Poppy and the other container is Wallflower. I am ecstatic
.
I had to rush in and tell DH about the first container and then show him the Wallflower sprouts. Then I checked the containers at the back end of the back yard and voila - there were the California Poppies just waiting to be discovered.

Since this is my first try at WSing I am amazed. Gobsmacked seems to be my word for the day and I am truly gobsmacked!

Thanks to all who stuck with me and encouraged me when I had so many reservations. And Critter if you are reading this - yes - you get to share in my successes and I am giving you credit, along with Neal for my successes. I love the plural. Not just success, successes. Can't wait to see more now. I am addicted.

Thanks to all and I will keep you posted on further successes. So if you were actually wondering what that shrill noise was that probably shook the earth just a wee bit - it was me hooting and hollering and making a total fool of myself but I don't care.
After all I have germination and it is a wonderful feeling.

Take care all

Happy germinating!

Elaine and Otis
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 9, 2009
11:36 PM

Post #6388777

Congratulations!

Karen
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 10, 2009
1:31 AM

Post #6389267

way to go

Bookerc1

Bookerc1
Mackinaw, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 10, 2009
2:50 AM

Post #6389635

See what a little potting soil and a lot of faith will get you? So glad they're finally peeking out and showing you that your hope wasn't in vain!

gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 10, 2009
11:09 AM

Post #6390403

Congrats Elaine! We'll be hearing all kinds of squeals of joy in the next few weeks!

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 10, 2009
12:53 PM

Post #6390636

I do the same thing Elaine and this is my 3rd year!!

Bookerc1

Bookerc1
Mackinaw, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 10, 2009
1:55 PM

Post #6390830

Me, too! I keep dragging the kids out to see all the little sprouts, and enthusing about it to my husband. He responds with a practical, "Well, isn't that what seeds are supposed to do? Sprout?"

I even take pictures of my little green babies.

Congrats, Elaine! So glad that you've seen the success of this method with your own eyes!

Angie
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 10, 2009
6:53 PM

Post #6392046

Well wonder of wonders - I finally have some sprouts too! :::

aconitum carmichaeli - 1 sprout
digitalis laevigata - 2 and a few more coming
digitalis purpurea - several!!!
digitalis trojana - 1 and several more beginning to peek
delphinium grandiflorum - 4
gaillardia -oranges & lemons - 1
lewisia - several!!

If I only get one for every thousand maple sprouts I've been pulling out of my yard, I'll be happy!
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

April 10, 2009
11:43 PM

Post #6393197

Oh those darned Maple keys. They were prolific here the fall before last and I thought I would lose my mind (that might explain a lot eh?) pulling all the sprouts up. I had used leaves from a neighbour and he has maple trees. They seem to have years where there is an abundance of keys and that year they were everywhere. I was really a newbie about mulching and didn't do a very good job. I learned the hard way and vowed never again.

You live. You learn. Seems that is the evolution of Elaine. I learn a bit almost everyday of my life. Too bad that by the time I have reached maximum absorption I'll probably start to get senile and forget everything it took me a lifetime to learn. That is so not fair. But nobody said life is fair now did they.

Once again

Happy germinating all :-)

Hugs Elaine and Otis
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2009
2:37 AM

Post #6393887

Well I'm definitely past the maximum absorption stage, but I did learn to rake those buggers up, and don't know how many millions I raked in the fall to avoid this, but apparently millions more everywhere and they're not particular at all about where they sprout - in soil, in mulch, on top of leaves, on top of rocks. I believe that if they were floating in space they'd sprout there too. I do believe that when the world is inherited by cockroaches and such, there will be sycamore maples there to keep them company.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 11, 2009
2:51 AM

Post #6393945

>>I do believe that when the world is inherited by cockroaches and such, there will be sycamore maples there to keep them company.


PM... that was actually funny. i have the same thing with Buckthorn seedlings. and if i dont get them first year, the roots are really tough to get out.
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

April 11, 2009
2:53 AM

Post #6393953

Congrats, Elaine! We all knew you'd get sproutlets! Oh, ye of little faith. Now we're all believers and I, for one, am totally converted to this method of seed sprouting. Love, love, love it.

Angie
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 11, 2009
4:38 AM

Post #6394316

Congrats Elaine, I told you that your seeds were just procrastinators! LOL
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2009
12:50 PM

Post #6394916

tcs, I guess we all have our own particular thorny issues in our garden. Hope you find all your buckthorn sprouts in time.
Sonoita
Sonoita, AZ
(Zone 8a)

April 11, 2009
2:58 PM

Post #6395388

My #1 issue right now are pill bugs eating my seedlings I put into the garden from WS. ARGH!

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2009
7:28 PM

Post #6396322

Congrats, Elaine! That is very exciting! I'm still waiting on my digitalis seeds. I've sowed a number of different varieties, and no sproutlets on them yet. Nothing on the columbines, either. Lots of other stuff up, though.

Karen
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 12, 2009
2:13 AM

Post #6397692

Sprouts in the Penstemon digitalis, foxglove beardtongue, containers today. Still nothing from Carex, Asclepias, or Eupatorium, and very little from Aster and Liatris containers. Looking forward to the coming week, when it should finally warm up for a good stretch.

Getting green mold in some of the containers. Have popped tops and re-taped askew to let in more air.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 12, 2009
12:01 PM

Post #6398727

I noticed that i have ONE Penstemon heterophyllus 'Electric Blue'

it is not hardy to my zone... but i'm hoping for the best. It is a stunning looking bloom.
I am certainly hoping for more germination.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 14, 2009
12:27 PM

Post #6407820

I have a jug of Helenium that had sprouted well, but now there are none. I believe freezing temps got them, but that really surprised me since they're perennial. Have any of you had an issue with them?
revclaus
(Judith) Denver, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2009
3:16 PM

Post #6408569

Yes, same thing happened with mine. A few seeds survived and I'm now getting a few sprouts, but the large majority of them froze after sprouting.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 14, 2009
3:30 PM

Post #6408623

ah ha, sounds like that needs to be noted in the WS data base!

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
2:10 AM

Post #6411666

Most of my digitalis and columbines are up now. Woo hoo! I waited about 2 months for them to germinate. Just gotta be patient!

Oh, too bad about the helenium sprouts. I guess those need to wait till some warmer temps are in the offing.

Karen
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
11:51 AM

Post #6412766

I was discussing the Helenium with a member in another forum and she recommends waiting to see if unsprouted seeds may still germinate. I'll hold on to the containers for a while and see what happens.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
12:46 PM

Post #6412938

Sounds like a good idea to me. Some seeds take a long time to germinate.

Karen
Indygardengal
Brownstown, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 15, 2009
2:32 PM

Post #6413438

I still have "White Swan" echinaecea to germinate, Dill, White liatris, Bells of Ireland and I know there are a couple more but it is too cold and gloomy to run out and check them. I am getting tired of looking and not seeing anything but gee the weather has not been conducive to growing plants from seed. So maybe a little success whe n the sun shines...

Bookerc1

Bookerc1
Mackinaw, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 15, 2009
2:50 PM

Post #6413505

I did red and gold Helenium last year, and had the same problem--the first batch to germinate froze. However, more did come up, and much later, when I dumped the extra soil in another bed, more came up. That last batch did the best of them all. I think they must like the warmer temperatures.

gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
3:10 PM

Post #6413591

Thanks for the confirmation Bookerc1, good news!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 15, 2009
4:20 PM

Post #6414001

Veronica... many of my White Swans have germinated. I think i have 7 tiny babies. I hope they come "true" as these are seeds from my garden. Looks like 12 seeds were sown. I haven't checked in a few days... as the weather has been garbage.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
5:41 PM

Post #6414400

I wonder if some varieties of helenium don't produce viable seed, because mine (one of the red-maroon ones) has never seeded itself despite hundreds or thousands of blooms, many of which missed being deadheaded.
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 15, 2009
5:51 PM

Post #6414447

I haven't seen a thing from my Cleome or Liatris, the other one I thought would make an appearance is my purple hyacinth bean vine. But I got nothin there. In fact most of my vines are just popping up. I only have 2 Morning glories that have put up a sprout. None in my black-eyed-susan vine. I am really hoping some of the vines take off. I think I added up that I have over 800 linear feet of fencing. Now I know I cannot possibly cover it all but I do hope to add at least a little color out there.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
7:47 PM

Post #6414928

perenniallyme, I'm glad you mentioned the red Helenium, I've had no germination in that container.

Lissa, I was about to say that sounds normal for Cleome because they wait till its good and warm, but then realized your zone. Have you been getting pretty consistent warm temps?
sandstreet
Kinderhook, NY
(Zone 5b)

April 15, 2009
7:56 PM

Post #6414965

My White Swan Coneflower (sown 3/31) has yet to sprout - prob still too early. The Black-eyed Susan vine sown 2/3 has yet to sprout, but the Black-eyed Susan vine sown 3/2 sprouted 4/13. Go figure.

LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 15, 2009
7:57 PM

Post #6414969

Well. we have had days in the 70s and days in the 50s. Over the last week observed, highs between 59 and 78, lows 37-47.

I do have lots of seeds left over of both the white and pink Cleome. If I don't see anything I will probably direct sow some more.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
8:32 PM

Post #6415108

Neal, I'm glad I didn't collect those helenium seeds or I might have disappointed some at the piggy swap.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 15, 2009
8:47 PM

Post #6415197

i went out and scanned my containers earlier... for my Echinacea, i have
5 out of 12 White Swan
5 out of 16 Tennesseensis
Summer Sky - did not count
Merlot has not germinated yet.

Looks like i have about 50 containers with some sort of germination -- that's out of about 125 or so containers.
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

April 15, 2009
11:29 PM

Post #6415887

Ack - We are still having some below freezing weather at night. Not as often but still happening although it is generally just a few degrees below freezing more often than a big nose dive at night.

I have been perplexed by a question about my California Poppies. I have people telling me that they won't survive once I plant them because they don't like to be moved.

I, being such a neophyte, sometimes, look at these people with a stupid look on my face and don't know how to respond. Does anyone have ideas about this?

I was hoping that since they are hardier because of the WSing, they would survive a move to their permanent home.

HELP PLEASE

With thanks

Elaine - the person who is finding out the more I know the more questions I have.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
11:36 PM

Post #6415918

Elaine, while they typically don't like to be moved, if done when they're small they transplant just fine. Many prefer the "hunk of seedlings" method of transplanting. That way you may loose a few, but those in the center of the little hunk are relatively untouched. I was skeptical the first time I wintersowed poppies, but they did just fine.
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

April 15, 2009
11:45 PM

Post #6415968

Oh Neal - Once again you are a life-saver! I am so blessed to have you in my life.

Thanks again. BTW - I did do the HOS method in the container so that should be easier.

Hugs Elaine and Otis

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 16, 2009
12:38 AM

Post #6416219

Elaine -- have you planted them out already? If so, you can also take a container of sorts and cover them. I've done that before with my milk jugs ... adds a lil bit of protection, especially if it is windy.
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2009
1:32 AM

Post #6416480

Had some old field goldenrod germination today. The green mold kept advancing in some of the containers so I sprayed those down with a very dilute vinegar-water mix. Hopefully that won't harm the seedlings!
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

April 16, 2009
2:03 AM

Post #6416643

No way did I plant them out yet. Too fragile. I noticed some mossy looking growth in one of my containers. Is vinegar/water the way to go with that or can I use damp off treatment (specifically for my seedlings)? See. So many questions. Sorry but it is the only way I'm going to learn and hopefully help others by the knowledge I have acquired.

Elaine and Otis

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 16, 2009
2:16 AM

Post #6416721

I've heard chamomile tea for that green moldy stuff.

as for the container of poppies... you can make sure that container is in teh middle of all the others, if they are clustered... that is what i do.

and i havent planted out any of my poppies either. though they are probably big enough. I think it's my 8th Wonder Poppies that are the biggest. I also have Peony Poppies too. i think those are the only 2... though i should check my seed basket for more.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2009
10:37 AM

Post #6417599

I meant to mention earlier, I've had the green mossy growth on containers before, but didn't worry with doing anything about it. It didn't seem to hurt anything. I think once the tops are removed from the containers, the increased light and air circulation will take care of it.

I direct sowed my California Poppies and annual Papaver varieties, and they're up and growing, ignoring any cold weather. Its been down to 27 since they've had true leaves.
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2009
12:51 PM

Post #6417927

Can't remember where I read the vinegar-water thing, but someone definitely advised it recently for WS containers with that greenish stuff. Who knows whether it was good advice?
Shirb
Thief River Falls, MN
(Zone 3b)

April 17, 2009
12:57 AM

Post #6421050

Hey Everyone!
I have sprouts! Its my Cal poppies! I just hope I can transplant after what I have been reading! I think I will just plant the whole jug in the ground-minus the top of course! JK! Anyway! I am just excited that I have sprouts!

Helene

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 17, 2009
2:33 AM

Post #6421627

Congratulations!!!!
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 17, 2009
2:39 AM

Post #6421665

Sprouts are such a small thing and yet few things give so much joy. Seeing these sprouts that set outside thru snow and cold just makes a person want to get all philosophical and emotional and other stupid stuff. LOL
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 17, 2009
11:03 AM

Post #6422722

I've never had a problem with Cal poppies. They sow nicely and transplant nicely. As a matter of fact. The weather will allow me to get out and transplant a few containers this weekend.
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

April 17, 2009
2:07 PM

Post #6423337

Kathy - I completely agree with your feelings regarding seeing those sprouts make it through the tough times. I find it inspirational!

Shirb - That is what I was going to do as well. Just plop them in with the existing soil in the container and hope they don't get too stressed about their new home.

Sorry I haven't been around but I have been busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger these days. Seems I don't even have time to tie my shoes. Why all my appointments and commitments have to come all together, I will never know. Guess I am my own worst enemy sometimes.

Take care all and thanks for being such a wonderful, supportive group. I have learned so much from all of you and continue to do so.

Hugs Elaine and Otis

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 18, 2009
1:56 AM

Post #6426248

I think one of the keys to transplanting certain seedlings is to do it on a cool day. Less stress on the poor things. I have found when digging and potting up columbines that they do well if I do it in the early spring and on a cool day or they really droop bad.

Karen
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2009
12:07 PM

Post #6464542

As is so often the case, we went from winter to summer in about a day, skipping spring. It has been so hot and windy the past few days that I'm reluctant to transplant very much. I had a flat of cups of 8 to 10 inch indoor-started Yvonne's salvia outside for a while the other day. The were bent over in half from the wind and one snapped at the soil line. I had to bring them back inside. They are screaming to be released to the ground. And the temp is supposed to be in the upper 80s with the same 30 mph winds today and tomorrow.

I might just spend some time today weeding out volunteer flowers and composting today.I have volunteer rudbeckia and verbena bonariensis coming up everywhere. I also need to add some more soil to my indoor tomatoes and unsprouted WSown castor beans- they have heaved up to the soil surface.

We spent most of yesterday at the Cincinnati flower show and running some errands- no garden time.

Karen

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 26, 2009
1:50 PM

Post #6464900

Karen -- your WS'ed Yvonne's germinated already? mine have not... I was really hoping for a bunch this year... so far, all i have is indoor sown ones. Two are a good sized... the biggest even sent out a single bloom that has been there at least 2 weeks now. I've been keeping them outside, and they have withstood the high winds... and even the hail we got yesterday... but then - after the hail, i put them on the front porch where they would be more protected, in case we got more hail... and it dipped into the 30's again last night. I no longer worry about those two.

I have [i think] 7 more lil seedling - they have second set of leaves already - if i recall correctly .. though they are only about an inch high. and i have to say... either very poor germination rate... or i am just doing something wrong.
58 seeds for 9 seedlings.

I'm still holding out hope for my WS container.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 27, 2009
2:05 AM

Post #6468070

My bigger Yvonne's salvia were started inside, under lights. They were the ones screaming to get out of those cups. I planted them out today and will likely regret it. But they were totally rootbound and needing water twice a day. Tomorrow 85 degrees and 30 mph winds, and I will be at work. Fingers crossed on those. If they can hold on through tomorrow, the weather's supposed to improve.

The WSown ones are tiny- just showing signs of first true leaves starting. The volunteers are about the same size.

Karen

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 27, 2009
2:50 AM

Post #6468305

gotcha... and i'm probably a few weeks behind you.
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 27, 2009
6:13 PM

Post #6470800

Swamp milkweed has now germinated & is really taking off fast! Partridge pea (Cassia fasciculata) and roundheaded bush clover (Lespedeza capitata) have also germinated now. Still waiting on Canada columbine, the gentians, the blazing stars, and the sedges. Lewis' blue flax now has true leaves & will be planted out soon.
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 27, 2009
8:16 PM

Post #6471312

Just checked again, and the gentians have started. That's a relief, because I've heard they're a bit tricky. Coreopsis & Echinacea are also showing sprouts.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 28, 2009
12:40 PM

Post #6474017

We had rain overnight to give the jugs a good watering...hope that helps some that aren't showing anything yet!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 28, 2009
2:16 PM

Post #6474420

mine got another good soaking...not that they needed it either. hopefully they'll get a coupla days to dry out.
I gave my neighbor 2 lil pots yesterday -- i just put them out by her bed... boy i hope they didnt blow away... i havent had time to check yet. I gave her some 8th Wonder Poppies and a Lavaterna [sp?] Silver Cup.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

May 6, 2009
2:15 PM

Post #6512088

I am going to do some zinnias today and I did some Yvonnes Salvia yesterday...a bit late so I don't know if it will germinate or not. I didn't use all my seeds. Will save some for next year just in case.
Sonoita
Sonoita, AZ
(Zone 8a)

May 6, 2009
2:27 PM

Post #6512135

Between the Pill/sow bugs, and my peafowl my WS plant survival is scarce :( The peafowl will be penned next year so I can look forward to a better success rate next year.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

May 6, 2009
2:50 PM

Post #6512241

Although its late, I'm still finding using the jugs I get faster germination than in other containers. I sowed 23 varieties of tomatoes a little over a week ago, and the 5 or 6 in jugs germinated about 3-4 days before any of the others.
Shirb
Thief River Falls, MN
(Zone 3b)

May 8, 2009
1:29 PM

Post #6521218

Hi everyone!
I am have some success. Seems slow compared to all of you. What is kinda frustrating is that some of the WS plants I have that are sprouted, stores and greenhouses around here are selling already blooming. The good news is that mine didn't cost me hardly anything. I just hope they will grow enough before fall and the first snow!
I do have delphinium, tickseed, foxglove, mexican hat, and calendula sprouting! They are so cute and I'm very protective! It is going to freeze tonite and may snow again! I guess I just need a little encouragement! Dont mean to whine, just want to get my hands in the soil!!!!

Sonoita
Sonoita, AZ
(Zone 8a)

May 8, 2009
2:37 PM

Post #6521481

Shirb, I had the same disappointment about the stores offering the same plants much more mature than my WS plants, and I was reminded by a DG member that WS is an early start to seedlings, but no competition for the commercial nurseries and just don't fool yourself to try to compare. Enjoy our home success, and cost savings.
Shirb
Thief River Falls, MN
(Zone 3b)

May 8, 2009
3:42 PM

Post #6521799

Thanks Sonoita- Yeah your are right, if you add up all the little plants and what they would cost if you were to buy them mature, you would probably spend 3 times the amount! I think next year though I might try to buy a box of those containers that the rotesserie chickens come in. They are perfect for this project. The lids are clear and already vented. Just put holes in the bottom, then I added a coffee filter to the bottom to the keep soil in. I put my cherry brandy rudbekia in it and they are sprouted and doing good.
Thanks again for the encouragement!
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

May 8, 2009
6:48 PM

Post #6522543

Shirb, I know that self sown plants are not so mature as in the stores. But I found out the plants I growed myself, were much stronger and lived longer than the ones I used to buy. Those ones are grown inside under perfect conditions, but are not used to wind, rain and other bad weather. Ours are, so they will grow very well under all circumstances.
About setting seeds: only the 'tropical' annuals won't have time enough to set seed, but most of the others will do.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

May 11, 2009
12:43 PM

Post #6533045

Shirb, I think they do that on purpose- lure people into buying colorful plants and setting them out too early, only to get frozen and then you've got to buy more. Your babies will be ready at just the right time. I have noticed that purchased bedding plants typically take longer to settle in and start growing than wintersown plants. They often start out smaller, but grow faster and surpass purchased plants. I think part of it is their roots get direct contact with the garden soil immediately, whereas nursery plants have to grow roots beyond their cushy little ball of potting medium.
Shirb
Thief River Falls, MN
(Zone 3b)

May 12, 2009
4:05 AM

Post #6537263

Hey Jonna and gemini_sage, thanks for the advice. Im sure that our plants will be more hardy as mine have to go through a day or so of 60 degree weather and now we have a cold front coming through and we are supposed to get down to 32 tomorrow night. Should I bring those little sprouts in? I sure dont want anything to happen to them! Let me know...
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

May 12, 2009
9:33 AM

Post #6537646

If the covers are still on the containers they should be just fine. Mine never get brought in, once I covered them with moving blankets (a couple of years ago when we had a week of temps in the 20s in late April), but thats the only time I've given them extra protection.
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

May 12, 2009
9:57 AM

Post #6537669

I had frost several times after sprouts came, but they all survived.
Shirb
Thief River Falls, MN
(Zone 3b)

May 12, 2009
2:51 PM

Post #6538555

Boy, you both sure get up early! Thanks, I will just leave mine alone then.
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

May 12, 2009
5:19 PM

Post #6539220

So many things germinating that I can't keep track. My WSing is doing much better than my indoor seedlings. I am so grateful to all of you for your guidance and you enthusiasm.

Now if the weather would just cooperate I could get some of my plants in the ground.
Lots of below normal temps and had frost a few nights ago.

Thanks to all you wonderful people.

I have many plants that I will call - My Kentucky Kindness Collection. Thanks Neal!:-).

Happy germinating all!

Hugs Elaine and Otis
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

May 13, 2009
12:21 AM

Post #6541012

See, Elaine? You just had to have time to see it work! I'm sold on wintersowing myself. I love it, love it.

Angie
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

May 13, 2009
2:29 PM

Post #6542898

Well I hate to say it, but I'm very disappointed with my wintersowing. The only things that are growing are the plants that I had good success with indoors - candy lily, blackberry lily, asclepias tuberosa, dwarf delphinium. Even the digitalis (successful indoors) I have only a few sprouts on the wintersown ones. None of the gaillardia (several kinds sown), gentiana, pulsatilla, blue-eyed grass, tricyrtis, columbine, etc. have shown any signs of life.
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 13, 2009
3:48 PM

Post #6543288

Columbine takes a while. I think I have 2 seedlings of Aquilegia canadensis so far, but otherwise that has been tough for me too (a lot more luck with it last year, though). My gentiana have sprouted, but the cotyledons are extremely tiny. Gentiana needs light to germinate, so they shouldn't have any soil covering them. Don't know if that's part of the issue or not.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

May 14, 2009
1:29 PM

Post #6547070

Jsorens, it could be that, even though I planted the gentians on top of the soil, rain or snow may have pushed them beneath. I'll try to remember to keep watering, because if yous have only just come up, there may still be hope. Same with the others, but if the gaillardia was going to show, I'd think at least that would be up by now. I do have 2 seedlings of one variety. Also forgot to mention the echinacea. I have one single sprout in one of 2 containers.
Maybe it's necessary to scatter seed as if making chia pets in wintersowing. I spaced out all my seeds and only planted 12 to 15 in each gallon milk jug. Maybe that wasn't enough?
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

May 14, 2009
9:39 PM

Post #6549020

I was surprised by my echinacea as well. I think collected seed has spotty germination. I sowed most containers very thick and I got 2 spouts of the purpurea and two of the paradoxia. I was hoping for a few more than that but I do have some more seed I may just throw them out around the seedlings I did get and see if I can get a few more.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

May 14, 2009
10:47 PM

Post #6549262

I had pretty good rate on my echinacea... over 50% of the seeds germinated. I"m going to share them all, since i got so many plants.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

May 14, 2009
11:48 PM

Post #6549507

That IS good, tcs. Where did your seed come from, and what varieties did you plant?

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

May 15, 2009
2:20 AM

Post #6550201

the White Swan were all my seeds... from plants in my yard.
all the others came from other people. I can check my spreadsheet for exactly WHO i got them from.

The Tennesseee ones came from a guy on GW... but i got a lot of those fi anyone else wanted any.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

May 15, 2009
12:05 PM

Post #6551289

So none were commercial seed then? Was just wondering if some of the hybrids might be finicky about reproducing. The few I've grown as plants seem to be a lot less robust than the original pink ones. My white ones disappeared and another - summer something - are puny compared to the pink ones which flourish and multiply rapidly.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

May 15, 2009
2:48 PM

Post #6551904

this will be my first year with many of these coneflowers. I have a lot of the 'rapidly multiplying' pink ones. purpurea??

I know [off the top of my head] i had a lot of Merlot germinate... we shall see what summer brings.. if anything blooms or if they are all second year bloomers.
nbgard
New Braunfels, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 15, 2009
3:04 PM

Post #6551979

My Merlot, Green Envy, White Swan and Twilight are all looking healthy. I, too am anxious to see if they are first year bloomers and if the Green Envy and Twilight come true.

Therese, is this the Tenessee coneflower that you have seeds for?
http://www.wildflowerfarm.com/index.php?p=product&id=124&parent=31

If so, I'd love a few of those seeds. I can send an SASE, if you'd like.

Tonya

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

May 15, 2009
4:00 PM

Post #6552211

Tonya... yes, that is the name of the seed. i havent seen it bloom yet. but when i did research it, it said it was "rare" -- also from what i've read is... it like rocky soil. in my readings, many folks had troubles with it coming back -- soil issues.

If you wanted to pop me a sase, i'll send you seeds. Off hand i dont know what i have -- since i'm not home.. but i know the guy sent me A LOT of seeds. I'm in teh exchange.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

May 15, 2009
6:24 PM

Post #6552795

tcs, yes I meant the purpurea. It's very happy in my yard, so you'd think the others would be too. But I can say the same for coreopsis. The new hybrids die out for me, so I've pretty much given up on them, but the old stuff I have to keep ripping out or it'll take over. It seems a lot of these fancy new hybrids are just wimps - may look pretty for a brief time, but have genetic defects or something.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

May 15, 2009
7:17 PM

Post #6552997

perennialllyme... the reason i had the ?? was because i was not sure i spelled it right. i assumed those were what you were referring to... even though there is purple in the name, I too see them as pink . wouldnt real purple be awesome.
nbgard
New Braunfels, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 15, 2009
7:39 PM

Post #6553080

Thanks Terese, I'll send that SASE pretty soon. My oldest daughter is getting married ont he 23rd so things are a bit hectic, but I'm sure I can send it before then. If not, you'll know why!

Tonya
Jsorens
Buffalo, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 15, 2009
9:57 PM

Post #6553561

I've had pretty low germination rates with Echinacea purpurea this year, but I think the reason was that many of the seeds were still sitting on the surface recently. I sprinkled some coarse sand on top, and since then germination has improved. Those are big seeds, so I guess they need a bit more cover than most.
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

May 16, 2009
2:20 AM

Post #6554543

Here's my Myosotis which was WS'd this year:

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

May 16, 2009
2:21 AM

Post #6554554

Clarkia `Confetti':

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

May 16, 2009
2:24 AM

Post #6554563

This wasn't WS'd, but I did start it very early in March in pots and here it is blooming. Decorative Dahlia:

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JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

May 17, 2009
8:54 PM

Post #6561312

perenniallyme, all the seeds that didn't germinate until now, are late to germinate. I also WS these seeds and most of them sprouted here a few days ago. So don't give up!

perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

May 17, 2009
9:06 PM

Post #6561373

Thanks, Jonna. That's good to know! Think I'll go out and check them now.
ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

May 17, 2009
11:20 PM

Post #6561946

I've been out of state for almost 2 weeks, so came back wondering what would be left out of my jugs..surprise! I have 43 out of 61 that germinated. Many of them I had to open the jug cause they are CROWDED in there..got the bed ready and hopefully will plant most of them tomorrow after work.
Here's what I have:

1. Purple Coneflower
2. Mexican Hats
3. Blanket Flower
4. Dwarf sunflower "teddy bear"
5. Hollyhock
6. Marigolds (my seed from last year)
7. Mammoth Sunflower
8. Oleander
9. Cypress vine (red and white)
10. Love-Lies-Bleeding
11. Sweet Alyssum
12. Dinnerplate Zinnia
13. Moonflower
14. Four O'clocks
15. Trumpet Vine
16 and 17- 2 jugs of Lazlo Mystery Mix :)
18. Threadleaf Coreopsis
19. Batchelor Button
20. Tx Bluebonnet
21. False Sunflower
22. Delphinium "Magic Fountain"
23. Cosmos "Bright Lights"
24. Butterfly Weed
25. Globe Amaranth (purple)
26. Globe Amaranth "Strawberry Fields"
27. Gayfeather
28. Lupines "Gallery Blue" and "Russell's Hybrid Mix"
29. Bellflower "White Clips"
30. Delphinium "Blue Butterfly"
31. Forget Me Nots
32. Treasure Flower
33. Big Blue Stem
34. summer Snapdragon
35. Salvia "Blue Bedder"
36. Blackberry Lily
37. Hardy Hibiscus "Red Star"
38. Western Coneflower "Green Wizard"
39. Snapdragon
40. Yarrow
41. Poppy (California and Oriental)
42. Hyacinth Bean
43. Brown Eyed Susans

My first time of WSing and I'm very happy with it. I basically threw seeds in a jug and let it go. *I did make a mistake of letting some of them get too cold and lost 5 jugs that never did come back. The ones that haven't come up yet, I've moved back into the sun to see if that will bring on the germination. Otherwise, it's no loss since I've got such a great variety!
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

May 17, 2009
11:47 PM

Post #6562059

CC: That's an impressive list! I had no luck with delphs at all. Some of my seeds were old so no loss, just disappointment. I'll try them again this winter. My Forget-Me-Nots did beautifully. Here's a photo as they start to bloom:

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Indygardengal
Brownstown, IN
(Zone 5b)

May 18, 2009
1:35 AM

Post #6562582

What an impressive list. I may give up too soon on a lot of ws; I only get about 50% germination in the number of jugs.
ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

May 18, 2009
10:40 AM

Post #6563788

I really believe that mine did so well because I moved them out of the hot direct sun and put them in a partially shaded area when the weather was warming up, so they didn't get the late day sun that is so hot here in OK.

thanks :)

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

May 18, 2009
12:05 PM

Post #6563980

I did my sunflowers last week...and they sprouted over the weekend! I did them I did them in 3'' pots and put them in gallon baggies.
JanieP
Jacksonville, AR

May 26, 2009
12:31 PM

Post #6599125

ClanCampbell, when did you winter sow? I think we are in the same zone but I didn't have luck with a lot of what I planted in January. Most of what I tried was perennials(sp). Going to have coneflowers, butterfly weed bush, baloon flowers and prarie sunflower. When the "monsoon" season started in early April I moved them to my carport and that may have caused some of the problem. The indirect light may have not been strong enough in April.
ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

May 27, 2009
2:24 AM

Post #6602535

I started on February 1st and was planting jugs about once a week, then finally just whenever I got the urge :) The last few jugs were done on 3/27 and 4/12. All of the last ones have sprouted for me.

One thing I did learn is that you have to watch for the tender plants..I lost 10 jugs during a cold spell on 3/28 and only 4 of those re-sprouted later. I didn't like this part of WSing!


Chris
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

September 8, 2009
3:34 PM

Post #7040288

Hi all!

I have been quite remiss regarding posting to let you know how my WSing went. Physical problems along with other nasty family stuff kept me away from my computer.

I am not even sure if this thread is active but I will try.

This was my first year WSing and I had about 75% success. We have had such unusual weather this summer. Hardly any sun, frost was late leaving and much rain. I had a few plants die as soon as I planted them.
I am tickled pink with the results from WSing because if I hadn't done that I fear that I wouldn't have many seeds germinate. All the plants in my tiny indoor greenhouse died. Never had that happen to the degree that it did but it doesn't help when you knock over your greenhouse and everything spills out on the floor...sigh

Seeds that were directly sown had a better success rate but everything was late blooming and some of the seeds rotted because of the unusual amount of rain and lack of sun. We finally got some true Summer weather starting last week and it still continues. This is the strangest Summer I can remember.

The baggie system did not work for me and nothing at all germinated in the bags. I used lots of plastic containers too though and those were the ones that were successful. I even emptied some that didn't germinate into some planters and voila...I got some germination and healthy plants too!

I keep telling myself that I need to make a list of what NOT to do but haven't gotten around to it. Organization of my WSing went out the window and I have plants that I don't have a clue what they are.

My - Kiss Me Over the Garden Gate and Touch Me Not plants were successful and I just love them. Have to do some research on what I know I have to find out about seed collecting. I am so ecstatic to see my successes and thanks to all for your help.

I vow to be more organized next year (I thought that I was - Ha) and to learn from my mistakes.

Once again - A big Thanks to all who guided me and to Neil (hope I spelled your name correctly) for his wonderful seeds!

Take care all
Hugs Elaine and Otis
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 8, 2009
3:56 PM

Post #7040366

Elaine: Glad to hear about your experience with WSing. This was also my first year and I had mostly good results, although some things did not germinate. I saved a ton of money, though, and learned which plants I want to try again with and which I won't bother with. The Clarkias I won't bother with. They bloomed, but were so fleeting the effort wasn't worth it. The Gaillardias and Rudbeckias did best, along with the Dahlia Unwin's Dwarf. Those will definitely be used in greater abandon next year. They have grown huge! See below. The Salvia viridis `Palisades' did well, too, and the dianthus. I have some poppies that are planted and waiting 'til next year to bloom (I hope). Larkspur for some reason didn't do well for me.

Things I learned from my experience were to be more selective and limited in what I sow and not to start too early. Limiting the amount of seeds I sow will also expedite my getting the plants into the ground, which is another area where I failed miserably. In fact, I still have some WS'd seedlings in their pots on the patio. Just ran out of room and energy once it got so hot.

Angie

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Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

September 8, 2009
4:56 PM

Post #7040584

Hey Angie!

Thanks for the response and the info.

Seems to me that my Larkspur never came up until the second year?
It was not WSed though. Hmmmm?

I'm afraid that my enthusiasm is larger than my ability. But life is a learning lesson, just as I view my garden. Every year I learn new things and realize there is so much that I don't know. There are many mistakes that I will repeat because I failed to learn the lesson the first time. I am sure I am not the only person that has to learn the hard way sometimes, repeating my mistakes and then, perhaps, learning the lesson.

So happy to hear that you had success with WSing and learned along the way.

Many more successes for you this upcoming winter. Oh. I am addicted for sure :-).

Hugs Elaine and Otis
ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 8, 2009
8:47 PM

Post #7041368

I think I'll also slow down and not do as many jugs this year, mainly because I've got less area than I did before. And to add to the joy of WSing..I'm now in a whole different area! After my DH passed away in April, the kids talked me into moving back here to Iowa from Oklahoma.

So, please.. someone from this zone help me to decide when to start my jugs! :) Do I start them earlier or later than zone 7b as I was in last winter??

I really didn't get a chance to enjoy my flowers this year because of all that was going on and so I took pics of what was blooming for me before I left. Here's one of my Mexican Sunflower. I love this color!!

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ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 8, 2009
8:51 PM

Post #7041383

I'd like to show off a couple more :)

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ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 8, 2009
8:53 PM

Post #7041385

ok, one more and that's it.. I love the color of this one :)

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 8, 2009
9:35 PM

Post #7041526

Chris: Those are beautiful and I, too, love the color on the Mexican sunflower! Do you have seeds? Your plants look so healthy. Wow.

Angie
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

September 8, 2009
9:40 PM

Post #7041541

Clan - What is that last flower? I just love it. So pretty and erect looking. Love the colour too! Sorry for my ignorance but this girl's gotta know.

Sorry but can't help with the Zone 5a. I am sure someone here can help you though.

Hugs Elaine and Otis

Bookerc1

Bookerc1
Mackinaw, IL
(Zone 5a)

September 8, 2009
10:25 PM

Post #7041692

Clan, just looked back at my records, and I sowed mostly in February, with much success. We're in the same zone, so hope that was helpful! I think I started in January last year, and it got hot earlier in the year, so last year my plants were quite a bit bigger when I set them out. I started later, and then they just got repeatedly soaked in our constant rain this spring, so my plants were on the small side when I planted them in the beds. They did fine, though. I can't complain!

Welcome back to Iowa! I drive through Burlington whenever I go visit my parents in Knoxville, IA. It's a beautiful area! Good to hear you are close to family. That makes all the difference in the world.

Angie
ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 9, 2009
12:14 AM

Post #7041980

Angie in NC, I wasn't able to get seeds from it before I left..I hated that! Once I find my container that has the seeds in it, I'll see if I kept some of them back though. I don't believe I did, but I'm not certain :)

Elaine, I honestly don't know what that flower is LOL.. I had them all on a spreadsheet and was being so careful..then when it came time to transplant, I literally was throwing them in the ground before they died. Hopefully some kind soul on here will enlighten us both!

Angie in IL, well next time you're headed my way, let me know and we'll meet for lunch or something! I thought this little corner of Iowa was zone 6a, not 5a. I know that most of the storms always seem to be further north near I-80. When I looked at the zone maps here on DG, I thought that's what it had..guess I better go check again :)
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 9, 2009
12:30 AM

Post #7042037

Chris: that last one looks like a zinnia of some kind to me. It sure is pretty, whatever it is.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 9, 2009
1:42 AM

Post #7042325

I agree, that last flower looks like a zinnia.

I'm glad to hear of all the newbie success stories. Don't doubt that you will continue to have some seeds that don't germinate. I've been at this for 4 years and have sown platycodon each year. It has never sprouted in 4 tries. I finally gave up and bought a plant at a half price sale at a local nursery a few days ago. It's getting ridiculous at this point when I've never owned the plant and don't even know if I like them! But remember, even experts who grow under lights for year are not always 100% successful either.

Here's a tip from a seasoned veteran for those having trouble with larkspur: Don't wintersow it in a jug, direct sow it NOW. If kept moist they will sprout soon in the cool fall weather, then winter over as tiny seedlings. Next year they'll be huge and beautiful

Here you can see some of my seedlings in spring, the tiny little ones on the far right. If you look closely and match by size and color, you can see them here and there, too

Karen

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kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 9, 2009
1:47 AM

Post #7042340

This is what they looked like in June

Karen

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 9, 2009
2:17 AM

Post #7042479

Oh, how beautiful, Karen! I'm going out tomorrow and sprinkling what's left of that larkspur seed packet on the ground! Your flowers are spectacular. Thanks for the tip.

Angie
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

September 9, 2009
5:45 AM

Post #7043167

Karen - Big Wow regarding your garden. What a fantastic mixture you have. One can't help but feel happy just looking at it. Well done girl!

Hugs Elaine and Otis
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 9, 2009
11:58 AM

Post #7043412

Thanks for the compliments.

Believe me, if you can get those larkspur started now, before the ground freezes, they'll do well and be tall, stately plants by next summer. You just need to get the seeds on the ground now and mist them lightly every day, maybe twice a day if the weather is warm and dry. Once started they seem to have no trouble surviving winter even if they're only one inch seedlings. Last year it got down to below zero F., with no snow cover for insulation, and those babies didn't miss a beat.

This was the other side of that bed, picture taken from the center stone path.

Karen

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gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

September 9, 2009
1:22 PM

Post #7043637

Karen, its odd how some things work for some but don't for others- I've successfully WS Playcodon several times now, and often have gotten blooms the first year. I did note something last year though, the potting media used makes a difference for a lot of plants. In the past I'd always used Miracle grow potting mix, which works best for most things, but last year in mid sowing I started using a mix with a lot of fine bark that drains extra well. Some things didn't do as well in it, but others did better than ever, including Platycodon.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 9, 2009
2:05 PM

Post #7043770

Every wintersower I know has started platycodon with no problem. I have tried them in different months, spring and winter, and never get a sprout. I've used both traded and commercial seeds. I think they don't like me or they don't want to live at my house. The plant that I just bought will probably die.

I'm not real fond of Miracle Grow myself. I have used it and it worked OK. I'm probably just politically prejudiced against the company. I did try one small bag of their organic mix last year. It's bark based and I liked it better than the regular stuff. It's pretty expensive though. I'll have to try harder to find Pro-Mix locally this year.

Karen

gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

September 9, 2009
2:10 PM

Post #7043794

I know what you mean, I really don't like supporting MG company, sure wish Pro Mix was more readily available on the retail market, that was always my favorite. For so many things, it seems the peat based mixes hold too much moisture.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 9, 2009
3:43 PM

Post #7044125

You can always mix in a handful of perlite to lighten the mix some. I sometimes do that and it works well.

Last year, when I couldn't get Pro-Mix here, I went to a couple of local nurseries where they start their own plants from seeds. They both had MG on display for customers but I searched for the growers and asked what they use for their own seed starting. One used Metro Mix, the other used Fafard. I bought one big bag of each and liked them both. Both were peat based but nice and fluffy and light, and drained well. I liked both. I still have some Metro Mix, will probably get another this year if not Pro-Mix.

Karen
slopesower
Running Springs, CA
(Zone 7a)

September 10, 2009
3:23 AM

Post #7046357

Karen, I love those larkspur, and I also am going to go out tomorrow and plant those seeds.
What else does well when planted in the fall?

I loved wintersowing and can't wait to try again, but it would be nice to get some of my seeds in the ground now to get started before the snow falls.

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Bookerc1

Bookerc1
Mackinaw, IL
(Zone 5a)

September 10, 2009
4:36 AM

Post #7046549

I just want to say I LOVE THIS THREAD! I love that everyone is sharing the successes and discussing what didn't work, and that folks are sharing photos of the gardens made possible by WSing. It's just inspiring to see the fruits of our labors, so to speak!

kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 10, 2009
10:34 AM

Post #7046821

Slopesower: Larkspur are the only ones I sow in fall. In fact, they're the only thing I direct sow. Everything else is done in a milk jug in winter and spring.

I did do 4 jugs of things this summer, but that's not my routine.

Karen
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 10, 2009
1:14 PM

Post #7047119

I'm not sure if I've shared some of these photos here, but here's some of my WS'd seeds:

Rudbeckia Irish Eyes

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 10, 2009
1:16 PM

Post #7047121

Mixed Gaillardia:

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 10, 2009
1:19 PM

Post #7047126

Dahlia Unwin's Dwarf:

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 10, 2009
1:21 PM

Post #7047131

More Dahlia Unwin's Dwarf:

These did beautifully in my garden this year and they were sown from seeds during the winter. I plan to utilize these more heavily next year. Wonderful plants, bloomed all summer long!

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 10, 2009
1:27 PM

Post #7047145

Salvia viridis Palisades:

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 10, 2009
1:29 PM

Post #7047153

Myosotis:

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 10, 2009
1:38 PM

Post #7047174

That's it for now. I also have poppies planted which were WS'd, but they won't bloom until next year. So far, they look healthy. I've not had good luck with poppies in the past.

Angie
ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 10, 2009
5:26 PM

Post #7047903

Angie, great pics :) Why won't the poppies bloom this year? Are you talking Oriental or California..or a different type? I WS'd both of those and I got some pretty Oriental flowers this year. What was funny is that the California either didn't come up or it didn't bloom. But the Oriental did..and those seeds were around 3 years old!! I just threw them in cause I found the seed packet in a drawer LOL I've never done poppies before..are the flowers normally small or not? Mine were small.
Here's one of the pics..

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 10, 2009
6:31 PM

Post #7048178

Chris, thanks for the compliment. I don't know why my poppies haven't bloomed, but I assumed since I planted them this year that they wouldn't bloom until next year. You know, the first year they sleep, second year they creep, third year they leap thing about perennials. How lovely yours are. Mine are just sitting there as a group of leaves, larger, by far, than when I planted them, but no blooms.

Angie
Procrastinator
Havelock
Canada

September 10, 2009
7:32 PM

Post #7048405

Strange - My California Poppies came up and I was a very happy camper. Heck. I am happy with all my wintersowing. I have learned so much and will probably forget at least half of it.

Life is a learning lesson for sure as well as gardening.

Hugs Elaine and Otis
hanseycollie
Cynthia (N. Kansas C, MO
(Zone 5b)

September 11, 2009
2:19 AM

Post #7049802

I love this thread - this next winter will be my FIRST time to WS so I hope to have the same success as you all have! I don't have any WS plants to show (yet) so here's my dog as a substitute, lol. He's kinda pretty too. Cynthia

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 11, 2009
2:27 AM

Post #7049825

No flower could ever rival that handsome face!
ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 11, 2009
3:05 AM

Post #7049976

KINDA pretty? He's gorgeous!! :)
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 11, 2009
10:51 AM

Post #7050563

I love WS'ing as well and this will be my 5th year at it. My favorites to sow are Zinnia, Border Dahlia, Nicotiana, Nigella, Cosmos and Tomato. Although I do others, they are definitely sown every year. I have to say that I have a good success rate on all my containers. It is the plant that I am not always happy with. Either it blooms too late, is not happy in my zone/yard or just doesn't work in the general scheme of things. That is what I love with this whole process. The variety available in seed bypasses the offerings as local nurseries and the money saved is great!
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

September 11, 2009
11:55 AM

Post #7050640

Karen, I used to get Fafard potting mix from a greenhouse operation (where we bought house plants for the Florist shop I used to work at)- it was really good! I need to ask around about some more of that.

Hemophobic, great wintersown plants you have! I love hearing the success stories! The flower you have labeled Myositis, I think is actually Cynoglossum amabile, Chinese Forget me Not. I love them, the most amazing shade of blue! I've allowed them to reseed everywhere they want. Just this year I received some Myosotis in a trade- can't wait to see them bloom next spring! I understand they are perennial and reseed.
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 11, 2009
12:51 PM

Post #7050755

Gemini: You are probably correct. These were seeds that were given in a packet labeled Myosotis at Locust Grove in Kentucky when we visited there last fall and I sowed them. If the true Myosotis is perennial, that's for me. Whatever it is, it has a lovely crystal blue color and was quite attractive in flower. In fact, I've sheared some of them back and they are blooming again, a nice bonus.

Anita: I agree with you about WSing being a cheap way to try new plants not available at the local nurseries. Not to brag, because I am far from an expert gardener, but at most of our nurseries, I know more than the people running them. There is one glowing exception, but they deal mainly in shrubs and trees. I tried Clarkias this year and won't bother with them again. They bloomed but what a short bloom period and then they turned into dead little stalks. Not good. When you refer to border Dahlias, are you talking about Unwin's Dwarf? I had great success with those and plan to use them heavily next year in my borders. What a great plant. Long blooming and heavily blooming. Love it.

Angie
hanseycollie
Cynthia (N. Kansas C, MO
(Zone 5b)

September 11, 2009
1:54 PM

Post #7050958

Do annuals do better at WSing than perennials? I have so many perennial seeds I've bought for next year, but would like to sow annuals too. Has anyone noticed if either works better? (We live north of Kansas City so our winters are not harsh.)
Cynthia
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

September 11, 2009
5:55 PM

Post #7051784

Wintersowing works best for me when starting perennials. I wouldn't say wintersowing is better for one or the other (annuals or perennials), but I've found if a perennial is hardy in your area, wintersowing will probably work for it, but with annuals it kinda depends on the nature of the plant. And its not so much that I've found annuals it doesn't work with, but some just need that extra time growing in a warm environment (a greenhouse, or under lights inside) to reach a size that will bloom most of the summer. A lot of things wintersow easily, but I start them in the house because I'm too impatient to wait till August to see them bloom. With perennials, most don't bloom till the 2nd year anyway, and the cold spell seems to help so many of them germinate.

Angie, if you let some of your Chinese Forget me not go to seed, you'll probably see volunteer plants next year. While they are an annual, I'm finding them to return reliably. I've also noticed they bloom quickly from seed, the plants that bloomed earlier in the year dropped seed, and those seedlings are blooming now. While I haven't been good about dead heading or shearing back, I've had a continuous show since early summer.
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 12, 2009
1:02 PM

Post #7054730

I think trial and error is the best way to go with this.

Border Dahlia for me has been Bishop's Children and Colarette Dandy.
hanseycollie
Cynthia (N. Kansas C, MO
(Zone 5b)

September 14, 2009
1:30 PM

Post #7062434

Thank you - I will be mosting sowing perennials since I am buying plants I want to see for years to come. If you don't deadhead, Gemini Sage, don't you get more seeds drop and more plants the next year?
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 14, 2009
4:53 PM

Post #7063178

GS: Oh, they certainly went to seed, all right! I didn't prune any of them back until several weeks ago, but the ones I did are reblooming. I will try to find some true Myosotis to sow this year, though.

Angie
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

September 14, 2009
8:34 PM

Post #7063945

hanseycollie, do you mean the Chinese Forget me Not? I do find more plants from one year to the next with those. They're kinda hard to dead head, because the individual blooms are small and born in sprays. By the time the spray of bloom is finished, there are seeds developing, so I just leave them. This year I've had plants at all stages of development throughout the summer.

Angie, I received some Myosotis from another DGr this spring, and they've settled in nicely. They had blooms and seed heads on them when I planted them, and I've notices a few seedlings around them! Hopefully next year I'll have plenty of seed from them to offer.
Neal
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 15, 2009
12:48 AM

Post #7064831

Neal: That sounds wonderful and if I'm not successful in locating them this fall, perhaps I can persuade you to share some of your seed next year! You're a dear!

Angie
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

September 15, 2009
11:20 AM

Post #7066103

Angie, I just thought of something- be sure to list Myositis on your want list for the Piggy swap. I don't know if she saved seeds from them or not, but the member I received my plants from is a swap participant (mittsy), and I think there may be a couple of others that grow it too.
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 15, 2009
11:31 PM

Post #7068426

Neal: Do we start listing our wants now or wait until the have list starts?

Angie
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 16, 2009
1:47 AM

Post #7068832

FYI- Valuseeeds has updated, is up to 9 pages of seeds. Among them are 2 different biennial myostosis.
http://www.valueseeds.com/

Karen
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 16, 2009
11:47 AM

Post #7069729

Karen: Thanks. I've checked this site out and added it to my favs.

Angie
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

September 16, 2009
12:21 PM

Post #7069763

Angie, wait till the lists thread goes up, but always a good idea to be thinking of what you'll be looking for, perhaps start a list on paper or your garden journal.
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 16, 2009
7:00 PM

Post #7070932

Great tip, Neal. Will do.

Angie
hanseycollie
Cynthia (N. Kansas C, MO
(Zone 5b)

September 17, 2009
2:55 AM

Post #7072713

1800+ views of this thread, that's amazing. I just bought some seeds from valueseeds - they came really quick. I think Swallowtailgardens is my favorite - they have given me such great customer service and I like how they package their seeds. My neighbor is going to winter sow with me so we can swap flowers, how fun will that be?
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 17, 2009
11:50 AM

Post #7073370

Hansey, sounds like a plan to me! Wish I could convince my neighbor to do the same. She's an excellent gardener and has a great eye for design, but she doesn't tag any of her plants, so maybe it's just as well that she doesn't WS. I wouldn't know what I'm getting. Y'all enjoy!
hanseycollie
Cynthia (N. Kansas C, MO
(Zone 5b)

September 17, 2009
1:47 PM

Post #7073662

I read on one post, Angie, about a gal who WSed so much that when it came to planting, she lost track of what was going where and just put them in the ground, LOL, that'll be me (or so I hope!). My neighbor friend has an amazing back yard and she has also never WS, so it'll be fun to do it with her. Her yard is pretty shaded whereas I left a huge area of ours in full sun (no trees) so I hope she can use some of my seeds. She is growing coneflowers in the shade and what WAS pink is now white. Isn't that odd? Cynthia
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 17, 2009
5:51 PM

Post #7074442

Well, the plant ghetto that lived on my patio last winter has finally been cleared off and I have resolved to be more restrained, but we'll just have to see if I can stick to it! I have great intentions, don't you know, but when it comes to gardening, I lose all sense of restraint and self-control. I'm a plant junkie!

Angie
hanseycollie
Cynthia (N. Kansas C, MO
(Zone 5b)

September 17, 2009
6:57 PM

Post #7074669

Angie, I was looking at my daughter's empty room earlier (she's moved out) and one side of the bed is full of milk jugs, pop bottles, empty deli trays/covers... and I'm thinking to myself, "Is it obsessive when you purchase products just CAUSE you want the container to WS in?" I'd say you and I need deliverance from this obsession, LOL!!!! "Hello, my name is Cynthia, and I'm a plant junkie." Now you say, "Hello Cynthia!" Regards, PJA (Plant Junkies Anonymous)
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 18, 2009
12:36 AM

Post #7075735

Hello, Cynthia! My name is Angie and I've been a plant junkie for years! I know the feeling well. I size things up according to whether I can (A) get them in the car; (B) keep them living until I can get them planted; (C) what can I plant around them! I'd say I have a serious, perhaps terminal, case of plant addiction.

Oh, it could be worse, couldn't it? We could be addicted to something really harmful. At least gardening is only harmful to our bank accounts and our backs!

Have fun, PJA Cynthia!

PJA Angie

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LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

September 18, 2009
4:01 AM

Post #7076353

Hi Cynthia and Angie, My name is Lynn and I desparately need to join PJA.
Last winter was my first year to W/S, and I am so hooked.
Here is a picture of some of my w/s containers.

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LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

September 18, 2009
4:03 AM

Post #7076355

Another pic, on the heaven forbid, the driveway side, in plain view.

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 18, 2009
6:10 PM

Post #7078017

Hello, Lynn. Welcome to PJA! Your stash of WS containers looks so neat. By the end of winter, I had jugs all over the patio in various cardboard boxes and it was a real eyesore, especially as the weather warmed and the boxes started to deteriorate. Just recently got the last of them cleaned off! No self-control whatsoever. Pitiful, I am. But it was such great fun, I'll be right in the midst of it again this year, trying oh, so hard to practice some discipline. I'm already saving plastic containers, though! Have a very nice container which grapes came in, already has holes in bottom and it's deep. How lucky is that? Sam's Club has some wonderful containers.

I must be strong. I must be strong. I must be strong. (LOL)

Angie
ClanCampbell
(Chris) Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 19, 2009
3:32 AM

Post #7079993

Hi Cynthia! You might be talking about me :) I had around 43 containers that sprouted and then took so long to get them in the ground, that I just started putting them in without paying attention to where I was placing the plants. Then later I took pics of the flowers that bloomed, so that I could figure out what I had success with LOL! Can you tell it was my first time WSing?? :)
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

September 19, 2009
5:29 AM

Post #7080181

Isn't so much fun? I, too, ended up just popping things in the ground, without a clue as to what they were. They ended up so pretty, wouldn't have had so many flowers if I hadn't w/s. I even planted a couple of weeds, not knowing what they were.

Here is one flower bed, picture taken in Feb.

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LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

September 19, 2009
5:37 AM

Post #7080198

Here is the same driveway this summer

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gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

September 19, 2009
11:43 AM

Post #7080541

Beautiful transformation! Love those dark red Dahlias! Did you widen the bed all the way to the drive?
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 19, 2009
2:58 PM

Post #7080954

Oh, my gosh, Lynn. Those dahlias are to die for! Are they from seed? My dahlias I think I am most proud of from my WS efforts. They've done so well. The bed looks great and so do you! I can see your pride shining in your smile!

Angie
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

September 19, 2009
7:22 PM

Post #7081667

Yes, I widened the beds all the way to the driveway and on the other side as well. I kept widening them as I kept planting the hunks of seedlings. I had no idea they would grow so well. I will post another picture showing the calendulas and the 4 o'clocks in the same bed. I am still working on them, the other side of the driveway is not as completed yet. I don't have the energy to dig out all of the sod, so I am putting down cardboard and Tagro on top. Because I wasn't prepared, I had to dig a hole in the sod and plant them, did the cardboard and compost later. I am fighting grass growing back in those spots.

I sure hope that a lot of those plants will reseed.

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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

September 19, 2009
9:06 PM

Post #7081905

If you mulch the dahlias heavily, they may live over for you. My dahlias usually make it through the winter for me, but we're not as far north as you. Handsome bed you made there.

Angie

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

September 19, 2009
9:56 PM

Post #7082026

Lynn -- what a beautiful yard!! i'm quite envious... i love wide open spaces to play with.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

September 20, 2009
5:58 AM

Post #7083278

Thank you very much for the compliment. We're on 5 acres, so lots of room to play (plant). Some of my seeds came from you, tcs from last year's piggy swap. Thanks!!!

my little gh

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gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

September 20, 2009
11:21 AM

Post #7083502

Gorgeous pics, Lynn! You've done a fabulous job! I did the same thing when I moved here, just made holes in the sod, planted stuff, then went back later with cardboard and mulch. In the spots where I removed a larger circle of sod, I had good luck planting this way, but in some spots the grass has been a real booger to get out of there.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 20, 2009
11:45 AM

Post #7083537

I've had great results from lasagna garden technique. I cover the lawn with cardboard and pile on organic matter, as much as I can gather. This fall I'm doing 2 small new raised beds (4' x8') for tomatos. My husband got the wood, has to screw it together. I've hauled home lots of cardboard from work, have a bale of straw on hand, will also use some grass clippings, leaves when available, yard waste, coffee grounds, whatever I can find. I still need to get a little soil.

Karen

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 1, 2009
5:47 PM

Post #7230360

Lynn... I'm so right with you on this... this will be my first year to get my act together to ws... now I'm almost ashamed to say how many containers I'm going to ws... well ok, today... it is close to 200. Yes 200 folks.

My plan is to hopefully have enough plants to have a 1 weekend plant sale to make enough money to then be able to have more topsoil brought in... 70 yards is what I need...LOL I did 40 yards last year to create my raised beds, and this next year I need to restock the beds as well as create new ones. We have nothing but clay soil so everything goes in a raised bed.

I have collected some wonderful and unique perennial seeds that hopefully I'll get a lot of buyers... at least I know the members from my garden club will come as they can't wait to see what crazy project I'm up to next... Some of these folks I think live through my experiments... which is fine with me cause I know maybe somewhere down the road they will try something. I did get a lot of them interested in worm castings...LOL

So my mixture is a seed starting mixture that is sold locally and it does very well for me and isn't too expensive. This year I'm going to add in worm castings to see if when the seeds germinate the benefits from the worm castings will help them grow stronger.

My # one question is since I'm in zone 5, when is the right time to start this? in December or in February? I'm only planting perennials that are hardy in my zone, and that would (had they been plants) winter over in the garden anyway, in hopes of having better success rates.

thanks for any light yall care to send my way. I'm so excited about this. I wanted to start this last year but do to health reasons wasn't able to and now...

Janet
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

November 1, 2009
8:29 PM

Post #7230861

Janet: Check the germination time for the various seeds. That'll give you some idea how early or late you can WS them. If something takes weeks to germinate, you'll probably need to start it earlier than something that takes, say, 5 days to germinate. Although I have to say, I just sowed my seeds last year and wasn't too scientific or anal about it. Some did well, some didn't, but those that failed were mostly my inexperience. I did keep a table of date sown, seed sown, date of germination, source of seed (e.g., commercial or DG name). It was great fun and I intend to do it again this year.

kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

November 1, 2009
10:46 PM

Post #7231288

Wintersowing begins anytime after winter solstice, so Dec. 21. Any time after that is fine for any hardy perennial or hardy annual (i.e. HP or HA to your zone). The only "trick" on sowing time is to wait until close to your spring (late March-early April for me) for more tender ones.

BTW, I've been gardening in clay all my life. My soil is good stuff now, without raised beds. All it took is yearly additions of compost and organic mulches. It has changed from that light tan rock hard stuff to nice black soil.

Karen

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 5, 2009
7:37 PM

Post #7244767

Hemophobic and Karen, thanks so much for your input.

I'm thinking maybe to start in March.

Janet
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

November 5, 2009
9:23 PM

Post #7245069

I divided my seeds into tins, labeled to w/s in Feb, March, and the more tenders in April.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

November 5, 2009
10:05 PM

Post #7245171

Lynn-- you're so organized. I haven't gotten that far yet... i just sorta plug along willy nilly picking seeds to sow... at least now, after the first year, I know NOT to sow the tender annuals so early.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

November 5, 2009
10:16 PM

Post #7245208

LOL, I am not organized. Last year, I had so many seeds from the PS, that I had to do something. I kept playing with my seeds and sorting them into piles of what I am going to sow next, then shoving them all back into the box and starting all over again. Some seeds that I really wanted to try are still sitting in the tins, waiting for this year! Unfortunately, I got a bit burned out at the end, I sowed over 400 containers (some large, some just Starbuck cups), and then I realized that ALL of those needed to be watched to make sure they survived surprise frosts after they germinated, drying out, and needed to be planted in UNPLANNED and UNPREPARED beds. What was I thinking?!!! I was trying to keep track in my journal, but got overwhelmed and just stopped updating. If they grew, they grew, if they didn't, I wasn't going to stress about them. All in all, though, I felt the WS as a great success and will do it again this year. I am trying to convince some of my friends to give it a try.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

November 5, 2009
10:19 PM

Post #7245220

>>I kept playing with my seeds and sorting them into piles of what I am going to sow next, then shoving them all back into the box and starting all over again.

LOL -- i do the same thing.
I'll rifle thru my boxes saying how i'd like to grow such-and-such... then they go back in... so i'm really cleaning house for this PS, and NOT asking for so much in return. I really need to limit what i sow.

yea... good luck. LOL.

I loved your green house thing though... quite ghetto. I just have my boxes, that look ghetto enough. Ahhhh, what fun we have.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

November 5, 2009
10:49 PM

Post #7245360

It is fun. I wish I had discovered this years ago.

I can so picture you playing with your seeds, planning your gardens, seeing the blooms in your mind. Such simple pleasures.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

November 5, 2009
11:02 PM

Post #7245423

This will be year #5 for me. So little space left to plant. I'm really trying to clean up my beds this fall, not finished yet. I still need a couple of days out there to yank stuff and cut others back. I started out digging up, moving, and/or dividing perennials but it's a little too late for that now. I'll just have to settle for cutting them back.

We had a hard freeze a few weeks ago and the few remaining tender annuals out there are pathetic. Totally dessicated, if you touch them they fracture and disintegrate in your hands. Ugh! I'm so far behind, I just can't imagine people so organized that they're already organizing seeds for the upcoming winter. How can you be in next year and I'm still stuck in last year? The story of my life.

Karen

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

November 5, 2009
11:09 PM

Post #7245443

Karen... luckily for me, i dont work, so i can go out during the day/nice weather and put in an hour here and there.
I'm finally home for the season... been home about 3 weeks. I've really only cut things back... going to do my dividing and potting up plants i plan to give away -- I'll do that in the spring.

I'm basically done harvesting seeds, only have to watch one more plant that is still blooming... other than that... i'm done. and with the seed swap in full swing... Lynn and I are planning for next year by dreaming of seeds. LOL.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

November 5, 2009
11:13 PM

Post #7245461

Chuckle. I am still in last year, too. I have a big flower bed that I never got around to removing the leaves from a year ago. I only weeded there on a hit and miss basis, getting the easy ones as I was walking by or planting a new guy in the neglected bed.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

November 5, 2009
11:17 PM

Post #7245478

In my dreams, my beds are luscious and full of blooms, no weeds, and properly spaced when planted. Oh yes, the shrubs and trees are getting mature, and nothing is being crowded. Can you tell that I have a problem foreseeing their growth potential?

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

November 5, 2009
11:23 PM

Post #7245503

It's funny... I LOVE Karens flower beds... so nicely spaced... all looks so organized. mine are jam packed as some of mine were direct sown... just tossing the seeds. I need to make more room next year and maybe even semi-organize my beds... so in my dreams, my flower beds look like Karens.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

November 5, 2009
11:31 PM

Post #7245541

I haven't tried direct sowing yet. I planted things that I had no clue as to what they were, just plopped chunks of WS jugs in the nearest flower beds that looked sparse. Well, those little chunks grew and grew, and I had to increase the size of the beds. Then, of course, I had bare soil, so I had to go buy more shrubs and plants to fill in those spots. And, yes, they grew and grew, so I had to put down more cardboard to make the beds even bigger. And so it goes. More bare spots to fill in!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

November 5, 2009
11:51 PM

Post #7245612

LOL. you - luckily have room for more and bigger beds.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

November 6, 2009
2:40 AM

Post #7246200

I have to say, a career definitely puts a damper on gardening. Most of my days off it either rains or is awfully cold, while my work days are warm and sunny. It's a curse.

Karen
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

November 6, 2009
3:24 AM

Post #7246322

Ahh, I remember those days.
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

November 6, 2009
1:16 PM

Post #7246957

Hey, y'all. Don't you think it's time to start a new thread for WS-2009? This one's getting kind of long.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

November 6, 2009
1:38 PM

Post #7247013

Angie... i was thinking about that...even though we are not WSing yet... you could always change the topic line to something like General WS chatter... and add a link that we have moved to a new thread... because - even on hi-speed, this one is getting sluggish.

feel free to do 'whatever'... :-)
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

November 6, 2009
5:47 PM

Post #7247750

Okay. Here's the new thread:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1053905/

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