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Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 1, 2009
5:01 PM

Post #6350014

They lay eggs by hundreds. In season, they croak all night and make us irritable to the extent that we almost rush out with sticks to beat them! But we don't. By that time, sleep again continues! They hide beneath rocks and crevices that they find with uncanny intelligence! They hibernate better than my PC can. I did not know that there was a setting similar to 'stand by' in the PCs till a friend showed me recently! They leap around in the evening, sometimes close to our feet risking their lives. They hop off like children when they see me or others and dive into the water. Interesting creatures! Here are three of them, one is dead, unfortunately. I don't know why they drown like that! This is the second one in 3 months. The pond has tadpoles by the hundreds. Yet, the water is turning green with algae - gets full sun though. The female is dead here, the male does not seem to know. One more male clings on the 'wrong side', but this fellow also does not know of the poor thing's fate.

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tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

April 2, 2009
1:07 PM

Post #6353964

Don't know which species of toad you have. Here we don't have any toads as a natural part of our fauna, but the cane toad, Bufo marinus, was introduced last century with disasterous ecological results. One of the characteristics of the toads seems to be that males stay close to water waiting for females who eventually respond to their calls. When the female moves in closer the males rush her and if enough are there will form a 'ball' around her often resulting in the female being drowned. Because of them producing so many eggs, having so many females drowning helps keep the population down.
FrillyLily
springfield area, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 2, 2009
4:01 PM

Post #6354668

can frogs get egg bound like fish?
Maybe that is what happened.
I would definitely try to ID it, you may need to eradicate them...

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 2, 2009
4:55 PM

Post #6354875

Thanks for the information. They are in good number, but they have not been much of a nuisance. They are part of insect control. I wonder if cats catch these toads for food. Crows are known to feast on dead ones. As I post this, I hear at least 4 of them croaking. That female must have choked unable to rise to the surface due to the weight of the males?
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

April 2, 2009
11:20 PM

Post #6356483

Haven't heard of frogs or toads getting egg bound, but all sorts of malfunctions/deformities occur in nature so probably it's possible. I'd be more inclined to think the males drowned her. I've seen lots of otherwise inexplicably dead females in water. Male toads are not known to be 'gentlemen'. ;O)

Another thing with frogs and toads, you get some years when their numbers get higher than normal, and later a population collapse in successive years. It's probably better to say there is no "normal" population density, but a population range. Perhaps you're now in the high population part of the cycle. It happens here also when in some years you can't even hear yourself think for their (the frogs in our case) racket. But it's nice to know they're still there. Frogs are an indicator of the health of the environment.

Some toads are toxic and would kill some of the things that eat them. Crows are clever enough to eat toads from the belly where there is least toxicity.

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 3, 2009
2:27 PM

Post #6358895

Thanks for the information. They are a valuable index for the ecosystem of the area on a smaller scale. Yes, crows know where to start digging their beaks into their 'food'.
snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2009
7:04 PM

Post #6360013

We sure get them here, by the dozens! They do make a lot of noise for a few nights. Here are just a few pairs doing what they do and one male singing for a female. Since the noise is short term we just laugh it off. Plus, the toad tad poles eat every speck of algae in the pond until they grow legs and hop onto dry land. The pond is never cleaner then when it's full of hungry tadpoles. (The koi do not eat toad tadpoles.) The adult toads are very beneficial in the gardens because they eat a lot of insects. So, we're happy to have them, even though they sing all through the night for a few nights.

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Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 4, 2009
1:56 PM

Post #6362967

An old shot from my archives. My old pond. Here is a lovely toad.

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mothermole
Deer Park, IL
(Zone 5b)

April 13, 2009
2:56 PM

Post #6403464

Snapple: Is that picture from this year?

I have either a toad or a frog living in my skimmer box that seems to enjoy jumping out at me when I open it to clean the leaves out. Last summer I had one (or maybe the same guy) in there as well.
snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

April 13, 2009
6:02 PM

Post #6404393

Nope. The picture is lats year's. Too cold yet for them to be emerging from hibernation yet. Soon though. We get just scads and scads of them.
billr
Battle Ground, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 13, 2009
8:07 PM

Post #6404907

We have seemingly thousands in our ponds. They are so loud at night that if you sat outside (hardly an option this time of year in the PNW), you could barely carry on a conversation with someone. By May or so, it will die down immensely. Actually the herons, ospreys, and owls do a rather good job of control.
parrotma32578
Niceville, FL
(Zone 8b)

April 16, 2009
12:58 PM

Post #6417964

I guess I am a strange bird...I like the croaking toads--they seranade me to sleep. Some evenings I will take the flashlight out and watch them; they seem to have no fear--they continue business while those on the sidelines expand their throats. There are so many of them, however, that I have to be careful that I don't step any. I actually saw them having an orgy in my pond one evening--about six toads all wrapped up into a ball; unfortunately though, the next day, one was dead at the bottom of the pond--must have been in the middle. Yes, the fornicating toads are quite the topic of conversation and it brings a smile to my face. I know it is work to scoop out eggs afterwards (I got about 1 gallon this year), but I love to observe nature in action. Soon, it will be the tree frogs..they have quite a melodic song.

Parrotma
mothermole
Deer Park, IL
(Zone 5b)

April 17, 2009
5:53 PM

Post #6424408

Dinu: I get grossed out seeing your frog picture so much on the opening page that I am avoiding this forum until the frog interest dies... I'm not usually bothered by much but that picture gives me the creeps. Got any nice lotus pictures to add????? LOL!
Linda

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 18, 2009
4:20 PM

Post #6428113

Yea, it was not a pleasant sight, but I wanted to know. I should have posted in my second post without anything in the first. That could have helped you and probably many others. Glad I posted the picture, I learnt that it was a new phenomenon. Should I request the admin to move that to the second place, if that is possible?

Here's a picture of water lily that pleases the toad's eyes as well as mine!

Dinu

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mothermole
Deer Park, IL
(Zone 5b)

April 18, 2009
6:16 PM

Post #6428500

Nah, I will just have to deal with it... it's part of nature. just a sad part.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 18, 2009
10:41 PM

Post #6429403

Dinu.. As sad as your picture of the deceased frog was..it was a very good photo. Lots of emotion..maybe they did know she had died and they were saying their final goodbyes.

Your water lilly is beautiful!

Here is my Momma again. She has moved from the fall area and now is hanging out under a marsh marigold.

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snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

April 19, 2009
12:26 AM

Post #6429769

The toad is dead!? Dead?? Until now I just thought it was a menage a trois! You spoiled it for me.

Aren't the big toads the females and the small ones the males?
http://www.northern.edu/natsource/AMPHIB1/Americ1.htm

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 19, 2009
12:30 AM

Post #6429787

Hi Snapple.. That's what Dinu said in his post. So sad! We can just pretend they are all sleeping...
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

April 19, 2009
12:55 AM

Post #6429887

The female toads normally do grow much bigger than males, although some males can get quite big as well. Here we have the introduced Bufo marinus - cane toad. The biggest one found was a male 205mm (8.2 inches) long but stretched out was 400mm (16 inches) long. There's possibly even larger females around that just haven't been seen yet. At my place the largest I've found was a female 170mm (about 7 inches) long (that's from the tip of the nose to the end of the tail bone, I never measure them stretched out).

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 19, 2009
2:42 PM

Post #6431929

BeaHive,
Another sharp picture - I always love your pictures though I don't usually say much in the respective threads. Your friend from under the rock is looking at you!

Snapple,
Thanks for the link that gives details about American toads.

tropicbreeze,
I'm amazed at your description of largeness of those toads. I can imagine them - like little pups! Incredible!

Females sacrifice so much, aren't they?
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 20, 2009
1:29 AM

Post #6434612

This little guy or gal was hiding in a "cave" between two rocks.
I only noticed him/her because the sun was making his eyes twinkle.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 20, 2009
1:30 AM

Post #6434624

Coming for dinner.

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snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

April 20, 2009
4:26 AM

Post #6435358

The first wave of thespring toad advance arrived here last night. The pond had about ten mating pairs this morning. There were about a dozen singles caught in the skimmer. Good thing today was a scheduled day to clean it. All were happily rescued and the season "toad screen" was placed over the entrance. It takes the skim function temporarily out of the skimmer but I don't have to clean up dead toads. They float in and can't get out. I had to vacuum some sludge off the pond bottom and got about a quart of toad eggs. The next ten days to two weeks will be noisy by the pond.
LouisianaDene
New Iberia, LA
(Zone 9a)

April 22, 2009
1:49 PM

Post #6446886

This big frog made a home here. I love looking for him each day to see where he's going to be. Yesterday, he was sitting on the waterfall with the water coming down on him. I should have taken a picture of that.

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Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 22, 2009
2:04 PM

Post #6446960

He has a nice smile! Yes, you should have taken a pic of water falling on it.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 22, 2009
2:38 PM

Post #6447144

LD That is one beautiful & well fed frog!
angel_tree_baby
Chickenville, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 22, 2009
6:14 PM

Post #6448134

I didnt realize the female toad was dead at first either. Wow, I didnt know that the toads made 'toad balls' when they were mating either. I saw a few male snakes in a ball formation with one larger female snake on a shrub last spring. I reached across the shrub to turn on the hose and it moved and when I looked down I saw the amorous snakes lol. That was a suprise!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 22, 2009
6:37 PM

Post #6448244

Nice picture..but yuck..snakes freak me out!
LouisianaDene
New Iberia, LA
(Zone 9a)

April 22, 2009
8:00 PM

Post #6448598

Would that be a garter snake cause there was one in my garden today. I think he looks like that one.

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snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

April 22, 2009
8:15 PM

Post #6448678

I LOVE snakes in my garden. I am so envious.

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 23, 2009
5:04 AM

Post #6450910

Snakes! Here people would run helter skelter! What they do next? They call this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Shyam Read more about this interesting guy by google searching. You will enjoy.

angel_tree_baby
Chickenville, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 24, 2009
1:42 PM

Post #6456414

LA Dene yes that does look like the same snakes as I saw 'getting jiggy' in the bush as my dd says LOL! There are a lot of the black racer snakes here too. They like to climb way up high on trellises or in tall shrubs and poke thier heads out at you when you walk by. About gives me a heart attack when it happens, not because I am afraid of snakes but because I am not expecting a big snake face in mine out of nowhere lol. They aren't very shy here. I am glad they eat up all the bugs.
I saw a black one in a tall shrub the other day with his head hanging out and he was grabbing wasps as the flew by. The wasps were trying to build a nest behind a wooden tellis by the front door. So I was glad they were being dinner for the snake.

Dinu do you have a lot of poisonous snakes where you live?



Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 24, 2009
2:39 PM

Post #6456702

At least not in the premises. When the growth gets wild due to rain, a little one may get sighted but that has been quite rare. I've seen them 2-3 times and on two occasions we called that guy and he came to pick it up. People here are very afraid of the very sight and name of snake! Poisonous or non-poisonous does not matter. Many people have died of shock when even a non-p snake has bit. It is also a highly religious subject and is worshipped, esp. Cobra.

Yours is an interesting place - with snakes around. They don't harm people as we fear. They just live in their world which humans share. What a sight for you to see a snake grabbing wasps! Have you any pictures?

angel_tree_baby
Chickenville, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 24, 2009
3:25 PM

Post #6456943

Wow Cobras! I would definitely be afraid of those but wouldn't kill them unless I had too. They prob eat lots of rats.
I wish I had gotten a photo of the wasps. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it.
I almost walked right into it all, if my son hadn't seen him first before I did.

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 25, 2009
1:27 PM

Post #6460874

There are temples dedicated to the Divine Serpant. Here are links about this. Go through them. I know the names mentioned there are very difficult to pronounce for you. But learn about its significance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kukke_Subramanya_Temple
http://www.kukketemple.com/aboutkukke.htm

We had been there last April. It is about 6 hours by rail from here.
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

April 25, 2009
3:04 PM

Post #6461203

Talking about toads and snakes, here's a couple locked in a tight 'embrace'.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 26, 2009
11:43 PM

Post #6467273

Very active shot..but sad for the frog or toad..whatever his lunch is!!

I had a nice photo shoot with my mama frog today.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 26, 2009
11:43 PM

Post #6467279

She has been working hard for the abbs of steel!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 26, 2009
11:45 PM

Post #6467286

And the head shot! She is a looker!

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tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

April 27, 2009
12:49 AM

Post #6467695

I took that photo this weekend (Saturday night) just next to the house. The cane toad is toxic, but the snake is venemous. Whilst for the cane toad it was a sad outcome, you can be sure all the creatures the cane toad would have eaten that night (including cane toadlets) would have been cheering. That is, until the next large cane toad came along.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 27, 2009
2:12 AM

Post #6468109

Well that is nature! The food chain as we were taught in school.
Still sad for our frog and toad friends.

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 27, 2009
3:54 AM

Post #6468566

Very nice poses from that frog. BH, how close your camera was for those shots? Did you get to see the links I gave above?
LouisianaDene
New Iberia, LA
(Zone 9a)

April 27, 2009
3:58 AM

Post #6468577

Incredible pictures BeaHive! And not to mention a beautiful frog.
Here is my frog on the waterfall again. I sure hope he stays around for
a long time. I'm getting used to seeing him every day.

~Dene

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Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 27, 2009
4:01 AM

Post #6468581

Good you remembered your 'promise' of posting a pic of that fellow under the waterfall. Ask him to pose for one - wait and click. He's sure to enjoy a showerbath sometime. That was a nice pose too.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 27, 2009
5:34 AM

Post #6468785

Dinu.. I enjoyed the link to the Subramanya site. You must have really enjoyed the experience. The culture of India is beautiful ! hope to see the Taj Mahal one day at least. Must get my children through college before I can make any plans. :)

The photos of my frog were taken from about three feet away. Any closer he jumps into the water and hides.


Dene..love your frog. Sure looks like he is enjoying the water on his back!
parrotma32578
Niceville, FL
(Zone 8b)

April 27, 2009
5:05 PM

Post #6470575

I have the pygmalion of the frog world. I think he is in love with our rubber replica--too funny!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 27, 2009
6:34 PM

Post #6470884

parrotma..what a great shot! That is a beautiful frog. Do you know what kind it is?

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 28, 2009
5:19 PM

Post #6475285

parrotma... I too have that rubber thing beside the pond! What a coincidence! But our toads don't sit like that.

Here it is almost 11 in the night and getting ready to go to bed. The toads are croaking like anything and I could not help taking my first picture of a croaking toad. I post this picture almost live! Take a look at this collage.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 28, 2009
6:06 PM

Post #6475477

great collage Dinu!! He is very handsome!
parrotma32578
Niceville, FL
(Zone 8b)

April 29, 2009
3:52 PM

Post #6479714

The frog in the photo is the Bronze Frog.

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

May 1, 2009
1:16 PM

Post #6488038

Thanks. parrotma,

You can see the rubber frog here.

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Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

May 1, 2009
1:18 PM

Post #6488046

Here is a tiny little fellow just beginning to hop, sitting on my DD's palm [for scale].

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 1, 2009
1:46 PM

Post #6488166

Dinu. That baby is just darling. Your DD was excited to hold it I bet!
Great Shot!

Here is one of Big Mama yesterday.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 1, 2009
1:48 PM

Post #6488176

A small one enjoying the sun.

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tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

May 1, 2009
1:53 PM

Post #6488192

Your toads/frogs come out during the day? Here they only come out at night. Except for the really small baby ones. They come out in the day to avoid being eaten by the adults.

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

May 1, 2009
3:30 PM

Post #6488694

Wonderful instincts of Nature!
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

May 1, 2009
9:12 PM

Post #6490215

It's always too hot during the day here so snakes, frogs and toads only come out at night. But small toadlets are always close to the water and can regularly cool themselves down. They become more vulnerable as they tend to get nocturnal. Larger toads actively hunt the toadlets. they'll wiggle their toes while otherwise remaining very still. The toadlets think the moving toes are insects/worms/whatever and move in to eat them. However they themselves end up eaten.

Instincts have their good and bad sides.

Dinu

Dinu
Mysore
India
(Zone 10a)

April 14, 2011
10:05 AM

Post #8495113

Today, another tiny little fella! There are tens of his cousins hopping around!

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