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The Osaka Purple is a beautiful plant in and of itself. I'd plant it just for the brilliant purple color and the curly texture of the leaves. Second, when eaten raw, this plant gets hot (capsacin) as you chew it. The more you masticate the juices, the hotter it gets in your mouth.
But -- and here's the fascinating part -- while you get all the taste of hot in your mouth, your mouth does not burn! And even though your brain is saying, "my mouth is on fire," once you stop getting the juices, you realize your mouth is not burning!
It sorta reminds you of horse radish, and I imagine chewing a large piece would probably hit you just like a mouthful of horse radish (and, no, I haven't been that brave!)
Tiny pieces of the leaves would be great broken up in a fresh green salad.
But, the whole hot/taste thing doesn't happen once it's cooked. Last fall season I loved taking folks on walking tours of my veggie garden and having them chew on a tiny piece! They loved it!
I'll harvest the seed pod in about three weeks and would be happy to share with those who'd like to try them from seed. Just send me a SASE (Self-addressed, STAMPED return envelope). I'll dispatch the seeds until I run out and then I'll post that this offer is closed.
Send me a dmail if you'd like to send me a SASE for seeds, and I'll send you my addy.
Ok. I'm sitting in the middle of the median on a major Houston street surrounded by water. I drive a 1992 Buick Riviera with a turbo engine, that sits waaaaaaay to low for this river! But, I am hi and dry, and no lives are in danger. And, oh yeah -- all the Osaka Purple Mustard seeds were posted this morning before this rainstorm! Ya'll will never know how much fun I was having @ 4am this morning, sitting in the middle of the floor, surrounded by seeds and mailing paraphernalia, playing the "Match Game" between the SASEs and old emails because, in the garden, one rarely uses a real name...and, yeah, uh huh, I was taping all those homemade seed packets together... Uh Huh...(yawning) I love you guys.^_^ Enjoy, and if you can, please post some pics of your Osaka experience. LINDA -- GYMGIRL! P.S. I still have seeds left if anyone still wants some. PSS. Its going on 2 hours now. Yawn.
Update. It took 5 hours 2 get home This message was edited Apr 18, 2009 3:27 PM
Gymgirl ~ were you stranded when you typed that??? Hope all is well and the water has gone down by now. I hope too your garden is surviving the flood. Seems like springtime weather gets crazy. If seeds are left, I'm game for some. pod
Pod: Yeah, I typed up a lot of stuff while waiting 5 hours for the water to recede. I just spent $1k on PARTS ($275 labor) for my Rivie, and the rivER wasn't about to touch my engine! I'd still be sitting there, if necessary.
Unfortunately, sitting there for those 5 hours took a toll on my body. Like being in an accident and not feeling it until days later. Sunday morning I could hardly move. Stiff all over. Even my hands hurt. Headachey, and could feel my pulse pounding in my ears (vertigo, too). Needless to say, I didn't do much of anything. I literally holed up in the office and sat at the desk breaking open the remaining seed pods, and logging in people's REAL names on my spreadsheet. I'm keeping a log of my trades.
LENA: Thanks to that rainstorm, YES, I do have many seeds available still. Send me a dmail and I'll send you my addy.
I'm now gonna open this offer up on the general Veggie Growers and Beginner Gardening Forums till the supply is depleted.
You mean you've already germinated some of the seeds???!!!! Wow! POST PICS, PLEASE so I can see!!!!! What're your temps right now? They LOVE it cool/cold and made it through temps as low as 40-35 degrees. My mustards and collards love it around 45-40 degrees, and start to faint when temps get above 80 for long periods, so I'm hoping you have enough cool days/nights to grow em' up good. Make sure you separate them into individual containers. I grew only two together in a 24" container from Sam's/Costco, and they did fine. And no problem with buggies, either!
I seperated most of them today. I didn't plant all the seeds yet. I have about 12 seedlings. More than I thought I planted. I thought I might see how they do in the spring. I live at an elevation where it doesn't get too hot. I'm going to try planting them in part shade.
O.K., your making me grow Gymgirl. I'm not that savvy with the pic stuff, but I think I figured it out.
I did'nt say they were big yet. Actually there are 10 so far, I hadn't actually counted before.
Can you see them? There are 4 in the black container, and 6 in the cups that I pulled out yesterday.
By the end of the day I did have 12 and divided them all. They all seem to be doing great, even though they are hard to see in the picture. I planted them the day I got them on the 22nd so I guess the the gerination is 5, maybe, 4 to 7 days, I might still get some more sprouts. That was easy, I like easy!
Thank you Linda, I received and direct sowed my seeds today. They are planted near my Mizuna mustards so I may not have good luck in saving the seeds because of cross pollination. I look forward to salads.
Oh, I don't want to see any pouting from you Texas folk who are out there bragging about the crops you've already harvested. I've recommended to mangagement that those of us who are heat and sun deprived be able to block messages from those blessed with heat and sun.
Hey, Jan Girl!
The "seed pod" looks like a miniature green bean. After all is over and it gets too hot, the mustard will start throwing up buttercup yellow blooms all over. It'll look like a huge flower, and the bees will buzz all over it! Then, It'll start sending up these long stalks. After a coupla weeks you'll start to notice the little seed pods ALL UP AND DOWN those long stalks. They'll be green.
I kept watering my mustard all the way through to this green pod phase. Then, I spoke with Farmerdill who told me I could probably stop watering and the plant would dry up on it's own schedule from there. So I let the stalk do its own thing. You must be diligent at this point, however. I noticed a parade of snails trying to climb up those stalks, probably to munch on the tender pods. So, get ready to pick 'em off.
After another couple weeks, my stalks were so long they began to keel over, threatening to pull themselves outta the planter. I cut all the long stalks and brought 'em inside to finish drying out. On second thought, probably better to cut 'em down when they JUST BEGIN to turn brown. Trying to move them anywhere after they dry out is like having a moneybag with a hole in it!
Since those seeds are soooooooooo very tiny (providing such a wonderful illustration to just how little a measure of faith we are called to exercise), harvesting was challenging until I got the hang of it. Best way is to carefully and gently cut the branches from the stalk and put 'em in a bag (I used a white 13 gallon garbage can liner). Better to leave the stalks alone until most all of the pods are dried, cause I tried to harvest just the dried ones and leave the unripe ones -- too tricky, cause some of the dry pods will burst all over the place! So, let 'em all dry and do this only once if you can. I stuck my bag in a closet for about a week.
Once all the pods are dry in the bag, tie it off and start whacking it, or tossing it or vigorously crunching it together. The dried pods break open very easily and you'll end up with a bag full of broken pods and tiny mustard seeds at the bottom. You can pull out the stalks and break any that didn't crack open.
Unbelievable how many seeds are in each one of those pods, and how many pods you end up with!
FYI I went out in the rain to check on my garden and lots of little mustards from your seeds are poking their heads up. I suppose I will have to thin them. I don't give many of my plants names (only one so far this season), but I still have a hard time throwing away a perfectly good little plant.
I had to learn the very hard way that, 'THIN IS IN!' So, don't be like me and try to save 'em all -- THIN the mustards. They grow about 2 ft. tall and span about 18" across. I had only one in a 24" container. Oh, and the roots don't go very deep at all. You'd think they would, huh?
Anyway, do yourself a favor and thin. If you get a good crop, trust me, you'll have enough seeds to give EVERYONE on Dave's Garden!
You know, one of the wonderful things about Dave's Garden is it's international arms. Imagine. Somewhere in Palmerston North, NEW ZEALAND, mustard greens seeds harvested from a plant in HOUSTON, TEXAS are settling in and getting ready to produce a whole new crop! How cool is that? Waaaaaaaaaaaaay KEWL!
Lena, keep me posted and deliriously giggly by posting some pics if/when you can of the seeds' progress.
The seeds were very productive. I hope it doesn't get too hot here to keep them going. They are the many little guys next to the onions. In the background are a few plants that I had been plucking as weeds. Turns out they are volunteer tomatoes from plants that got out of control last year. Ooops. ^_^
Every time I come to this forum, I see that beautiful photo and regret not having any seeds. I also just had to buy mustard seeds to use for pickling some okra in the hopes I have enough of a crop. I hope one of you kind souls will offer some of this seed again in time for fall planting. It seems that this would make a fine ornamental for the front yard over the winter and still allow some some harvesting.
Yaaaaaaaaaaay. I'll be in touch. I'm going to start working up some new space this week by killing the grass and then loading it with leafmold. I bet everybody that comes by the house will ask me what it is. Maybe some cabbage and spikey onions for texture contrast. It sounds pretty to me. Thanks big bunches.
Mine came up a few days ago, about 25-30 of them, but they are very tiny. I will wait till they are more recognizable before I take pictures. Its so cold by now, everything is growing so slowly. Wish it would stop raining, but it probably wont till September. Instead of snow we get rain, lots and lots of it.
I have exams this week (Im in my 5th and final year at college) so stressy but YAAAY almost holidays!
Are those red dutch onions? I have some coming along. I planted them where I harvested my green onions. I think the red dutch are a bulbing onion but I'm not sure. Can anyone give me any info on them?
Mike, didn't I just send you seeds yesterday?!! You made me remember something. I think too much sun might bleach the color from the leaves, hence growing the Osakas in moderate to bright, but not direct sunlight. Linda
Yes Podster, I transplanted it there. I ended up with 13 seedlings from one seed container, after sowing what I thought were just a few of the seeds sent me. I tucked them all over my yard. I saved about 13 hollow oak rounds my husband cut this year from the splitter. He was a good sport about it. Hmm 13, and 13. No, that's the only one with Osaka in it. The others are larger and have zucchini, yellow squash, green tint scallop squash, tomates, peppers, eggplant, and upperground sweet potatoes in them.
Its kinda strange Pod. The Persian Shield I bought for its brilliant deep purple color was fading in the sunlight. So I moved it to some shade and today it is a gorgeous deep purple once again. Go figure. As I recall, the OPM started showing purple after it got some size on it. Mine grew in moderately bright sunlight. I didn't want it 2 fry in any direct sunlight. It seemed to be at its best and most beautiful on a cool/cold sun shiny day.
My OSM put out the same brilliant yellow blooms. It was my first experience growing OSP, so I didn't know about saving seeds. I let it bloom and then the bloom started throwing these long "stalks" out of the blooms. I asked and Farmerdill told me to let 'em be. I never stopped watering it while it was blooming and throwing up the stalks. Farmerdill said it would start dying out on its own whether I watered it or not. After awhile the pods did start drying out and turning brown. They looked like wheat?.
I noticed at this point that snails started crawling up and attacking the stalk so I was diligent to pick 'em off. I let the majority of the pods turn brown on their own. A word of CAUTION! The dried pods are EXTREMELY brittle and will pop open very easily. After I realized they would break open all over the ground, I GENTLY cut them down and put them into a white garbage bag to them continue drying up inside. I put the bag in a closet for about another week, till the majority of the pods had turned brown.
I found the best way to "THRESH" the seeds is to just seal the bag, and beat it with a big spoon or toss it around or gently scrunch it till you crack open most of the pods. Then, cut a small hole in one corner of the bottom and just pour out your seeds. They'll run like water, and they are VEEEEEEERY tiny, as you know. All the big branches and the chaff will get trapped in the bag. As you pull the trash out you can crack any you didn't catch before. So, get your container ready.
The seeds you got were from the OSP I grew for the first time. I'll be growing this fall's crop from some of the same seeds, for the very first time! Which is why I'm paying careful attention to your growing experience!
We are just having our first big spring storm. My new cloche got ripped to pieces while I was on a short holiday, three big trays of newly transplanted tomato seedlings got destroyed too. I only just came home two hours ago so I'm still a bit in shock from the loss.
Lucky I didn't plant the mustard under the cloche after all! Its safe and happy in a raised bed near the fence. Before that the weather has been great, the first spring warmth, plenty of flowers and sunshine. Still a bit cold at night though, about 4C. 39F
Lena---That is so sad about your seedlings. Will you have time to start more? We have a narrow band of time to start tomatoes and I had losses this year inside my GH. A mouse ate of the heads, but they were tiny, so I was able to start more. It's always such a shock when things like that happen. All in all, we didn't have a very good year for tomatoes anyway. My sister is sending me some via a friend. She lives in a hotter clime than I do.
So, guess I will make salsa tomorrow after all.
My mustard is coming along for fall harvest.
We are having our first fall rain today. Just kind of spitting out there.
Good luck with your garden this year...
Luckily I do have time to start more. I start mine in batches to spread the burden a little, hoping to end up with about 200 plants. This was the first early lot, big enough to be outside under the cloche. Batch 2 is almost ready to get their own pots, batch 3 is still germinating, batch 4 will be started in a week. Then I will have to re-do the first lot. Some I dont have any more seeds left over, they came from very small trades. I have picked out a few that I am trying to revive indoors, poor wee things look so sad with their leaves torn and stems bent. Will need to get a new plastic sheet for the cloche and try to fix it. Biggest loss is the tray of rootstock seedlings that I had started early. Had a grafting project planned for this spring. One of the professors at the university was going to help me, he said to get the stocks a bit bigger than the scions, and get it all started a bit earlier to allow for the recovery time after grafting. Ahh winge winge winge. Now that Ive got if off my chest I wont let it get me down.
The Pennysylvannia Potato Leaf seeds I traded with you were great by the way, and the French Heirloom lettuce! Have lots of big beautiful spotty lettuces ready for picking. And I saved seeds and shared them with some friends, including a primary school principal who is growing them with his students!
Oh--Thank you for sharing that, Lena. I love that kind of feedback. That lettuce is great. Good luck with your seedlings and all your gardening season. Ours is almost over. I canned salsa and creole veggies in sauce all day today. Back hurts from all the standing but I am a happy squirrel.
Ah the joys of canning, standing over boiling water in a hot kitchen all day, burnt fingers and tired legs. But so satisfying to see the completed product. Creole veges in sauce sounds good, would you mind sharing the recipe please?
Glad to hear you got some tomatoes after all. Will you have a fall garden?
The tomatoes were grown by my sister in a hotter climate, but I started the plants for her. I have been getting a few, but not enough for salsa and Creole Veggies.
Here is my recipe for Creole Veggies. It calls for Okra, but of course we don't grow okra here. So, I substitute zucchini. I use the older ones, (not the young tender ones) and scrape out the seed area. I also peel them and cube them in about 1/2 to 1 inch squares. (Don't be too picky.) So, where I say zucchini, you will know that it originally says okra.
One more thing. I half this recipe. After all there are only two of us.
16 cups chopped peeled tomatoes---approx. 12 pds.
4 cups chopped onions
2 cups chopped green bell peppers
4 garlic cloves, minced
1/4 cup Worcestershire sauce
2 tea. sugar
4 tea. salt
1 tea. hot red pepper flakes
16 cups cubed zucchini (or sliced okra 1/2 inch thick (8pds)
In a large pot combine all ingredients (except okra) Bring to a boil over med. heat. Reduce heat to low. cover and simmer 30 mins. stirring often. Stir in okra. Bring mixture back to boil. Spoon mixture into 1 HOT jar at a time, leaving 1 inch head space. Wipe rim, attach lid and place in a pressure canner. Process in a pressure canner at 10 pds pressure.
Pints: 30 mins. Quarts: 35 mins.
This can be added to soups and stews, but my favorite for a quick meal is to chop sausage (pre cooked) into the mix in a fry pan, heat, then add quick rice or cooked rice and heat until done.
PS The zucchini doesn't get mushy.
Oh, Lena, I forgot to mention that for Fall I am growing a row each of kohlrabi, spinach, carrots, and leeks. Also cabbage, brussels sprouts and some lettuce here and there. I get a bit tired of the garden by now, so planting becomes secondary, I'm afraid. I meant to get in some pearl onions, but didn't. More carrots, too, but didn't. Oh, well. We will have quite enough I am sure. LOL
Thank you for sharing that recipe, I will write it down and try it in summer. I like that it doesnt require much sugar, so many preserves do. They still taste great but not so good if your watching your health.
Im growing some okra for the first time this summer, its not really grown or eaten here, but Id like to try anyway. I dont even know what it tastes like yet! Now I have my first recipe to use it in. Always have plenty of zucchinis to use too.
I'm so excited our weather is finally cooling down a bit. We went from 100°+ last week to low 80s this week! I think fall has finally arrived.
OK - so I planted a square of the mustard seeds yesterday!! Reading back in the thread I planted 4 in a sq ft and now I think thye will be waaaaayyyyy too close together - lol. I might be able to make it work if I keep the leaves harvested though. Will plant some more squares and maybe a container with just one plant...
I can't wait to see how these taste! I will let you know how it goes.
Ok. Consider this bump a last call for OPM seeds, 'cause I just located the last of em.
First dibs go to people I promised seeds to a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago who never got them. So, if I promised you OPM seeds and you never got them, PLEASE SEND ME A DMAIL saying so, and I'll dispatch them TODAY! Trust me. You wanna lemme know while I'm in the zone, with the seeds in one hand and the envelopes in the other hand, and the fact that today IS Saturday...
I'd wait at least until the end of August to sow the seeds. It's much too hot here now (avg. mid-90s with heat index up to around 98-100).
OPMs behave just like mustard greens, so if you grow those, you'll have a proper timeframe. I only did it once before, planting a seedling during Thanksgiving week. But, I've learned it likes the cool/cold temps, so I could've started it a bit earlier than late-November. It starts to bolt in Spring when the sustained temps rise above 70-75. It does fine in temps down to the mid-40s. It can even tolerate occasional drops down to the mid-30s with some protection.
I'll probably start it here in late-August to mid-September and then stagger plant out seedlings every three weeks until mid-Oct. It doesn't take long for it to take off! Get your camera ready.
I'm so glad to have found this thread cuz now I know what it is that has been popping up all over my garden for the last several years. I probably planted them originally from a combination of seeds packet and never knew which one it was. That description of the heat in them is accurate all right. I use it in moderation in salads for that bite they have. They need no attention from me at all. In fact they are so prolific that I occasionally pull them out to make space for other things. Really, they just pop up everywhere and now they have a name. Thanks for that.
I found a lone stranger smack dab in the middle of our bare ground walkway. Just popped up outta nowhere, 'cause the only one I planted was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay across the yard. Musta been the wind or a bird that carried a seed all that way. But it was exciting finding him, AND being able to immediately recognize what it was! You certainly can't mistake that brilliant purple color!
Here he is a couple weeks after I dug him up and moved him outta the way!