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LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 5, 2009
4:31 AM

Post #6366021

Welcome! Many of us here are wintersowing for the first time this year. We hang out on this thread to discuss any and all questions, comments and happenings along the way. Those of you who are experienced - come help us! : )

We came from here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/961905/

I am hoping to get some time to sow some more containers of annuals and some more tender stuff. I have been saying that for weeks now and it really truly is APRIL! The thing for me is that we have a wedding this month and I am throwing a Bridal Shower tomorrow and we have out of town guests and all kinds of things this month. I don't know when I am going to squeeze it in. I just know I want to get a head start on a few things that I was waiting on.

Temps here are lower during the day, but higher at night. Weird huh? Seems we have been down in the 50s and 60s in the day, but only in the high 30s and even 40s at night. So not much chance of freezing. I think there is still like a 10% chance that we could have a hard freeze before the end of April. I have been trying to research it, but it is hard to say, and since this my first year with seeds, I never paid much attention! HA!

What are you up to these days? Counting sprouts? Still sowing?

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tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 5, 2009
2:03 PM

Post #6366915

Thanks Lissa... I havent checked my containers today, [and we are expecting SNOW again!!] but a few days ago, i noticed a few echinacea seedlings.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 5, 2009
2:14 PM

Post #6366959

Was going to do a couple more things today...my butterfly weed and some more milkweed and I can not find those seeds any where.

I think when I was trying to get things all together so I wouldn't loose stuff I may have thrown away the envelope they were in by mistake. aargh!!! A very nice DG'er had been very generous to share. I do have a samll container of the milkweed out...no sprouts yet.

So lesson for next year is to have a storage spot/container to put all seeds in when they arrive!!

Is it okay to go ahead and sow Dill?

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 5, 2009
2:17 PM

Post #6366977

nanny -- let me check my stash... I'm sure i have seeds to spare.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 5, 2009
2:27 PM

Post #6367017

I have...

Asclepias incarnata [pink MW]
Asclepias purpurascens [purple MW]
Asclepias curassavica [Scarlet MW]
Asclepias "Silky" [annual yellow blooms]
Asclepia tuberose [Butterfly Weed]

and a big baggy of NoID ... they could be "common" MW.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 5, 2009
2:36 PM

Post #6367037

Oooo, I would love some of the Asclepias Purpurascens and Asclepias curassavica. Some silky might be good too if I am not being greedy! And You are a life saver again for me!!!

Huge THANK YOU!!!!!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 5, 2009
3:11 PM

Post #6367188

no problem... i have a lot of most of those. I'll get them out tomorrow.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 5, 2009
3:17 PM

Post #6367205

>>These sudden cold blasts are worrisome. I will go out and cover them this evening and hope for the best.

Kathy -- i know what you mean. We are also expecting about 5 days of really cold [below freezing at night]
snow [Ugggggggg] and cold days, below 40

looks like Next Friday or Saturday will be decent.

I'm very tempted to toss a blanket over my containers... but i'm going to leave them all. I took two lil nursery pots and put them in my unheated sun room, only because they are not 'covered' and they have been very wet lately -- and i want them to dry out. but all else is on their own.
CrabgrassCentrl
New Milford, CT

April 5, 2009
6:38 PM

Post #6367978

OK, so foxglove, strawflower & datura yesterday, and zinnias and 4 o'clocks today. Wheeeee! The weather here in western CT has been pretty cooperative in terms of sunny day followed by rain, sunny, rain, for about the last week.

I'm supposed to be helping DH build a deck, but I kept wandering over to my jugs and getting distracted ...
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 5, 2009
6:49 PM

Post #6368019

I am still torn on the whole cover not cover thing. Part of me wants to cover them but they do have the jug top over them so they are sort of covered. Part of me wants to go all of the way with this and see what happens by leaving them on their own. Of course I blew the leaving them on their own thing by watering them LOL. They got very dry. We have not gotten enough rain and that hole at the top of the jugs is sooo small.
I am sitting on the fence with the cover. Eventually I will make a decision.

Kylaluaz

Kylaluaz
Richmond, VA
(Zone 7a)

April 5, 2009
6:53 PM

Post #6368038

Watering them will help keep them from suffering from the freeze. I had to start watering mine as our dry climate between deluges is just too hard on many things I will be growing.

I did discard covers on Linnaria and blue flax, but they get under the cloth when it dips below 30, as do most things sprouted. Largely because it is easier to just cover the whole crowd than sort them as to who really needs it and who might not, LOL!

Kathy, keep us posted about your decision and how it goes, works or does not work, okay? This fine tuning stuff is real useful.

Kyla

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 5, 2009
6:59 PM

Post #6368054

kathy -- i too have been watering the ones that were dry. We've had a lot of rain this spring but some of hte smaller containers - or if they get more sun, have been drying out.

Snow also insulates... so if we were getting subfreezing temps with no snow... i may cover them, but they are out there on their own.
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 5, 2009
6:59 PM

Post #6368057

If it will help I will let you know. I really think I am leaning towards letting them be on their own. That was part of the reason for WS. If I have to cover and uncover and pamper and bring in house, then I am no better off than if I started the seed in the house as in past years.
I am playing this one through so I know what and how to plant next year. So far WS has been so cool! Thank you all for the encouragement.

Kylaluaz

Kylaluaz
Richmond, VA
(Zone 7a)

April 5, 2009
7:04 PM

Post #6368070

Great! And yes, it will help if you post results.
Potagere

April 6, 2009
12:53 PM

Post #6371346

I am pleased to announce the birth of
Mixed Clarkia
White Liatris
Sahin's Early Helenium
Rudbeckia Cherry Brandy
Echinacea Paradiso
Lythrum salicaria
and
2 more of Seedsower's Daylily crosses!
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2009
2:34 PM

Post #6371818

Congratulations, Jim! Will you be handing out cigars?
Potagere

April 6, 2009
6:13 PM

Post #6372985

I wouldn't want to encourage anyone to smoke, so, maybe "Mini-Tootsie Rolls"!
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2009
6:16 PM

Post #6372999

I love tootsie rolls!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 6, 2009
6:28 PM

Post #6373068

Oh YUM... i love tootsie rolls. and the lil ones are great. 1 bite.

congrats Jim on your new seedligns. I have yet to check today... the lil bit of snow we got last night is melting... but i'm just chilled to the bones, so i dont wanna go outside.

May sow some more seeds today though... what else is there to do on a cold gloomy day?

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2009
6:32 PM

Post #6373102

Congratulations!!

I did my Dill seeds today...for something to do.
Potagere

April 6, 2009
6:56 PM

Post #6373215

What I am wondering is why most of what has come up so far is stuff I sowed more recently, while most of the seeds I sowed early on are still not showing any life!
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2009
8:18 PM

Post #6373539

Jim, I think that has to do somewhat with the species sown, I've got all but a couple of things on your list of sprouted containers, and they are up too- some sown earlier, some later. Most of my containers that haven't sprouted were sown earlier in the winter too.
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2009
8:45 PM

Post #6373664

It got down to 24F here last night. Sproutlets are green and pretty and do not seem to have suffered a bit. I did not cover them at all. I admit that if I had tomatoes sprouted, I probably would have covered them but they were more recently planted and have not sprouted, yet.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2009
9:28 PM

Post #6373844

It was about 60 degrees here yesterday, but supposed to be in the 20s tonight and tomorrow night. I just stuck a few jugs of tender sprouts in the garage for overnight. The hardy stuff is out there with no protection. The jugs aren't even taped anymore but I expect those to be fine.

I just sowed some of the tenders a few weeks ago but have a few sprouts of marigold, cosmos, baby's breath- just a few. Sill have some tender annuals to sow. Maybe this week.

Jim you could send us all a Godiva chocolate cigar... I'm rather partial to those.
Did any more of your double rudbeckias sprout?

Karen
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2009
9:39 PM

Post #6373895

oh, yes that chocolate cigar wopuld beat out the tootsie roll!
bluegrassmom
Lewisburg, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2009
10:33 PM

Post #6374144

I am looking for a few seeds if anyone has a few extra to trade for named daylily seeds or other plants.
LMK

White marigolds
Small red sunflowers
Italian sunflowers
BLk eyed susan vine
purple wave or the new type petunia
impatients
coleus
alyssum
I know this isn't the trade forum but I thought you guys might have some extra. I didn't get any response from the other forum.

Teresa in KY

kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2009
10:43 PM

Post #6374191

If I had any of what you are looking for I would surely do some trading.
Good Luck. Maybe someone will have what you want.
bluegrassmom
Lewisburg, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2009
10:44 PM

Post #6374198

Thanks, Kathy
Hopefully, someone will have a few to send.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 6, 2009
11:22 PM

Post #6374394

Bluegrass...not me. sorry. I wish I had those seeds too =)

Potagere..

i'm in the same cover or not to cover dilema.

I have about 15 jugs that have plants as high as 3"- 4" that have not been uncovered at night. It's snowing now and expected to be 28 tonight. it was almost 80 here yesterday!!!! the ground is very wet but theres no accumulation yet.
my dad says put a blanket over them but what if the blanket gets wet?

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2009
11:23 PM

Post #6374400

I don't have anything you are looking for either...
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2009
11:38 PM

Post #6374478

Teresa, I'm pretty sure I still have plenty of Italian White Sunflower seeds. Dmail me if you like some :-)
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 6, 2009
11:48 PM

Post #6374547

I have mexican sunflower seeds.
Tithonia-Torch the pack says.

revclaus
(Judith) Denver, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2009
11:56 PM

Post #6374588

My chrysanthemums "Snow Lady" sproutlets look a little battered but no worse for wear after three snowstorms and very low temps over the last two weeks. It was 18 degrees night before last, and the wind chill must have been below zero (60 mph gusts!). I put my one WS container in a heavy pot just to keep it from blowing away. When I took it out today here's what they looked like. I am thrilled! They're going to replace all the plants I lost to late freezes...a lot!

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tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 7, 2009
12:29 AM

Post #6374776

tonight i WS'ed a few containers [5 total] of Scarlet and Silky Gold Milkweeds, 2 pots of Rosemary and a Butterfly Mix.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 7, 2009
12:42 AM

Post #6374844

I did 8 diff kinds of peppers yesterday. I didn't save any seeds so this is it! but, i'm going to sow my tomatoes inside in front of my uncle's basement sliding doors. haven't decided about herbs yet, but I have a lot of herb seeds.

bfn

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
2:38 AM

Post #6375555

Tsc1366, I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one that has waited a long time for columbines to sprout. Still waiting...

Karen

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 7, 2009
2:40 AM

Post #6375566

Nuts Karen... last year i was gone a lot ... so i'm thinking though that i finally had germination in around June.
I'd have to check my [lousy] notes from last year to see if i had anything by Memorial Day. I honestly can not recall.
they got planted out in Sept.

Terese

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
2:48 AM

Post #6375609

Wow! That is a long time! Well, I didn't expect any bloom on those the first year, anyhow.

Karen

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 7, 2009
2:59 AM

Post #6375675

Correct. Second year bloomers... so i am hoping for something this year. I'm hoping by May i see some growth... i planted them in Wisc at our trailer... we have a lot of shade up there.

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 7, 2009
4:44 AM

Post #6376065

Some of my WS babies were big enough to transplant into some 4" pots and have found new homes via the round up we had over the weekend. I had red & pink salvia coccinea and blanket flowers ready to go. These were just started in February!

I have all but 4 of my jugs with at least one sprout. The least success rate I've had (other than the ones with 0 sprouts) is with purple coneflower. I sowed 2 jugs, one only has 1 sprout so far and the other jug has 3 sprouts.

My dill was planted about a month ago and it's already about 4" tall!!

I'm sold on winter sowing!

kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
10:30 AM

Post #6376411

I think purple coneflower (echinacea) has low germination for a lot of folks- myself included. They can be slow too, so don't be too quick to dump them and, when you do, use the "strategic dump" and you might be surprised. I had that happen with coneflowers.

It's one of those where, even if I only get a few plants from a pack of seeds, I figure I am ahead since it's still cheaper than buying mature plants, and more fun and rewarding to grow them from seeds. "My babies", a Mom's pride.

Karen
bluegrassmom
Lewisburg, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
11:05 AM

Post #6376461

Will the Sunrise and other colors of coneflowers come true from seed? Just wondering.

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 7, 2009
12:33 PM

Post #6376705

I don't think so. I think the Sunrise seed is sterile, but you might check plant files to see if it mentions anything about that under the propagation information.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 7, 2009
2:38 PM

Post #6377181

on the 11pm news, they were still saying it would be 28 degrees so i covered my jugs with a think blanket and then took it off this morning. everything looked fine...nothing wilted down.

and now its snowing again.
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2009
3:55 PM

Post #6377587

2 nights of bitter cold temps and everything is still looking good. I have carnation and valeriana that are big enough to plant into larger pots but I want to hold off until the weather warms up a bit. They are doing so good in their little homes that I hate to disturb anything.
Potagere

April 7, 2009
4:09 PM

Post #6377635

OK, I'll give a chocolate cigar to everyone who come to visit my babies, how's that?
Still waiting on the Rudbeckia, both inside and outside, Karen!
But, I have baby Cosmos (2 varieties) and another new dalylily cross!
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2009
4:16 PM

Post #6377665

Wow! I now have a place to stay in France when I stow away aboard a ship. I see a European vacation coming up. Who all is coming with me to Jim's? Chocolate cigars for everyone!
Potagere

April 7, 2009
4:18 PM

Post #6377673

Keeping in mind that the Sunrise is a cross-species cross (purpurea x paradoxa), if the seeds do germinate, they probably are going to be nothing like the parent.
I'd suggest you try Echinacea "Paradiso". These yield a wide variety of bright colors and the seed is germinating quite well for me.
Potagere

April 7, 2009
4:19 PM

Post #6377676

See you soon, Kathy and friends!
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2009
4:33 PM

Post #6377729

That sounds like an invitation to me. Thank you. I love meeting new friends! Don't make up the guest room just yet. I will let you know when. Just keep those chocolate cigars handy.
How much ramen noodles do I have to eat to save enough money to go visit Jim?
Potagere

April 7, 2009
6:45 PM

Post #6378250

It all depends on what you are eating INSTEAD of Tpo Ramen! Best RT airfares I find St Louis - Geneva - St Louis are between $600 and $700. Of course, once you're here, you'll have to cover room and board with work in the gardens, on the ponds, etc!!! But no Top Ramen!!! With Ramen Noodle packages running 1 Euro each, I can make a similar but tastier dish with various noodles, bouillon cubes, and stuff from the garden for about 35 centimes (Euro 0.35)!
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2009
7:06 PM

Post #6378333

Garden work is not a problem! Ramen is less than 20 cents U.S. I do not know anymore how that compares. During the 4 years that my daughter was in Germany I kept up but she is home now so I do not pay much attention. Too many numbers!
That is not bad for airfare. You may get many takers on garden work for room and board LOL. I hope you have those cigars ready.
Potagere

April 7, 2009
7:17 PM

Post #6378369

That's the same price we paid for ramen when I was in University!!
Well, the price of one pack here would buy about 7 oe 7.5 packs there!
I'm not really sure that chocolate cigars exist here, so it may have to be handmade chocolate truffles.

BTW, I just seeded Blue Sage (Farinacea victoria) and Edelweiss (Leontopodium alpinum)
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2009
7:20 PM

Post #6378382

Now you are just bragging! Keep it up and I will get on that plane, yet.
Potagere

April 7, 2009
7:21 PM

Post #6378385

"Just the facts, Ma'm."
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2009
7:25 PM

Post #6378397

ROFL
revclaus
(Judith) Denver, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2009
9:32 PM

Post #6378949

Hand-made chocolate truffles will get me on a slow boat to France...yum!
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 7, 2009
9:46 PM

Post #6379040

Hey...be careful. My uncle made an offer like that when he lived in Wimbledon and I visited for 2 weeks. Well, there and Paris for a few days. We found a flight for like $360 roundtrip. on British Airways no less. I love International flights...free booze ;)

has anyone tried the noodles called "Mama's" that you find in the oriental food markets? they have 3 pks of seasoning inside ..herbs, an oil/flavorings and then a small pk of ground chile hot peppers. yumo. we usually get them by the case when we make it to a shop. I think they're vietnamese.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 8, 2009
2:24 AM

Post #6380283

Nannie, the "Mama's" noodles sound very yummy!!!!

Karen
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 8, 2009
3:29 AM

Post #6380610

Bluegrassmom I have Black-eyed Susan vine and Allysum, I will send you a D-mail.

I am hoping to pick up some coleus somewhere too. I do have a few areas that are almost 100% shade, and I am trying to figure out what will grow under there...

I pulled all my containers out into the sun today. I wouldn't be surprised if we have passed our last frost for the year. Nothing is predicted through the 17th and our nights are consistently in the 40s now. I also watered everything well, hoping that April showers will bring May flowers? Right? Even if I have to bring the showers myself. : ) I have a few more seedlings already and warmer temps are on tap for the next week. YAY!

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 8, 2009
3:54 AM

Post #6380711

I had some WS babies still in their container, but I'd already transplanted some. It was left open, under the carport, and it got down to 33 last night. They didn't look any worse for the wear. Yippee!
Potagere

April 8, 2009
4:30 PM

Post #6382310

Free booze on non-US-carrier international flights.
The US airlines still make you pay!
I think they even charge for the movies these days!

Some of my containers are so full that I either need to transplant or start thinking about where I'm going to put HOS!
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 9, 2009
4:23 AM

Post #6385176

Mine too, Jim. their lids have been partially open..they made it thru 2 freezes. I think I'm ready.

My Cosmos (which I didn't list anywhere on my list) are my tallest ones.

kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 9, 2009
5:05 AM

Post #6385288

Mine have made it thru several freezes and still keep gorwing. You would think they got the hint by now to stop growing til it gets warmer. I do not think they are going to wait til it is warm enough to put them in the ground. I may have to up pot in a week or so.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 9, 2009
9:32 AM

Post #6385483

I really want to get a few of mine in the ground. The only thing I've planted so far is a few poppies. I haven't really checked anything in a few days. Something must be big enough to be planted out.

And I know I still have a few annuals I wanted to sow. Haven't sown any zinnias yet.

Karen

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 9, 2009
10:20 AM

Post #6385552

I think Cosmos exist to overtake the world! LOL I love Cosmos, but I planted some a couple of years ago and they LOVE to reseed...with a vengeance!

I transplanted some salvias and blanket flowers last week for the RU. So far, they're doing great! Here are the ones I took with me to the RU. They're in little 4" containers. The plastic forks are markers so people will know what they are.

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Potagere

April 9, 2009
1:23 PM

Post #6385973

Nice little plants, Stephanie!

Today, I actually have some seedlings from Karen's Green-Eyed Double Rudbeckias!
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

April 9, 2009
3:28 PM

Post #6386464

We had a week of good weather (60 - 66) and NOW I believe in WS. These ones sprouted:
Agastache foeniculum Licorice mint
Allium afflatuense Purple sensation
Alyssum Wandering rose
Arctium lappa
Centaurea midget
Centaurea montana Amethyst in snow
Cerinthe major purpurascens
Cichorium intybus
Codonopsis clematidea
Coreopsis tinctoria
Cortus matthioli pekinensis
Cytisus Boskoop ruby
Dianthus barbatus
Dianthus carthusianorum
Dianthus deltoides albiflorus
Dianthus knappii
Dianthus Spooky mix
Digitalis ferruginea
Dracocephalum grandiflorum
Escholzia californica Buttermilk
Echinops sphaerocephalus
Edraianthus graminifolius
Gaillardia pulchella Sundance bicolor
Gazania
Geranium pyrenaicum
Gypsophila muralis
Helianthus annuus Moulin rouge
Hieracium pilosella
Impatiens balsamina
Ipomopsis rubra
Kirengeshoma palmata
Lathyrus sativus azureus
Leonurus sibericus
Linaria enchantment
Linaria purpurea Canon J. Went
Lobelia x gerardi vedrariensis
Lupinus arboreus
Matthiola flavida integrifolia
Mentzelia lindleyi
Micromeria fruticosa
Mimilus cardinalis
Monarda dydima Snow white
Nemesia mello
Nepeta subsellis
Papaver somniferum Persian white
Penstemon hirsitus Pygmaeus
Penstemon palmeri
Penstemon tubaeflorus
Penstemon whippleanus Chocolate
Polemonium pauciflorum
Primulia eliator
Primula waltonii
Ratibida Red midget
Reseda alba
Rudbeckia hirta Cherokee sunset
Rudbeckia hirta Indian summer
Rudbeckia triloba
Salvia apiana
Salvia argentea
Salvia sclarea turkestanica
Salvia viridis
Salvia viscosa
Seseli gummiferum
Silene caroliana
Silene keiskei alba
Trifolium pratense
Veronica teucrium Crate lake blue
Viola papilionacea
Viola wittrockiana Schweizer Riesen
Zaluzianskya carpensis

It is a lot, but I have about another 150 containers with no sprouts at all. I don't blame the WS, these seeds might take some more time or are just bad seeds.
I'm happy with what came up. I never could have done so much indoors.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 9, 2009
3:37 PM

Post #6386497

Holy Cow Jonna... where are you going to put all those plants? set up a plant sale in your yard?

must be so exciting to have all those babies.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 9, 2009
3:55 PM

Post #6386591

Wow, Jonna, that's quite a list. It is awe-inspiring in your first year to peek in there and see your first sprouts.

Jim, glad some of those ruds are germinating for you. Are they the wintersown or indoor ones?

Mine are finally showing a little growth. Wish I could be outside planting out but I really do have to clean this house a little for the Easter weekend. Working tomorrow.

Karen
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

April 9, 2009
4:21 PM

Post #6386743

Well, I'm going to plant these in my garden. There are still a lot of open places there. And what I have left over I wil sell. People are getting to know I have a lot of special plants. Where I live there is just one nursery in the neigbourhood with just common plants and they are very expensive.
Potagere

April 9, 2009
4:46 PM

Post #6386900

Karen,
I have 1 sprout in the 40-cell tray I put in the unheated greenhouse (doesn't an unheated greenhouse count as WS?) and about 7 seedlings in the water bottle I seeded later and just left outside.

OK, no smart remarks, here! I'm just learning! I was trying to be "scientific" with your seeds!

Jim
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 9, 2009
6:37 PM

Post #6387527

Some would consider using a greenhouse the same as wintersowing I guess, but I don't. I think there is a lot to be said for snow and ice and rain doing their magic on the seeds. More natural, as it would be in the natural world. The container just protects them from washing away, being eaten or carried away be critters, and whatever else might happen out in a garden bed. I generally get good germination and survival of wintersown ruds, they're probably about the most reliable for me. Anyway, I'm glad you are getting some sprouts.

Karen
Potagere

April 9, 2009
6:41 PM

Post #6387548

Well, while others don't seem to be doing as well with them, I'm finding that the Echinaceas and Rudbeckias are my best ones. All of those I have seeded are up. I'm still wondering about seeds of other genera!
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 9, 2009
9:19 PM

Post #6388206

I always get low germination on echinacea, get tired of waiting and dump the jug. I do get some sprouts, just not nearly all the seeds. Some people hold onto those jugs for years; I don't have the patience for that.

Karen
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

April 9, 2009
9:47 PM

Post #6388289

I have a lot of Echinacea purpurea sprouts in my garden every year. Really have to thin them out. I got some seeds of other Echinacea species, WS them, but no sprouts at all yet. Maybe it's important to harvest the seeds at the right time. If you're too early they might not be viable, if you wait too long, they are gone (fall on the ground and sprout). It might be the same as the Dicentra spectabilis. I really have to watch them every day when they are setting seed.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 9, 2009
10:28 PM

Post #6388453

Alot of my seeds came from a trade LAST spring, so I was really worried about mine, but I only have a few so far that did not sprout.

I really appreciate the support and encouraging help from this group.
I would have just fiddled around thru another spring without it!

yay wintersowing.
bobyrd
Conroe, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 10, 2009
10:54 PM

Post #6393053

I went out and planted about 5 of my WS containers in my garden today. Decided it was time to "kick them out of the nest!"

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2009
7:43 PM

Post #6396356

Wow!!!! Jonna, what a list! Wonderful!

Karen
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 11, 2009
9:17 PM

Post #6396620

look!! look!!!! look!!

Another DGer, KD2000, told me that she preferred using gallon bags for WS and since incoming milk jugs from friends and family was so slow, I decided to give it a shot. The draw back I saw was keeping the top of the bag up up/open. I did a few where I cut the bottom of a plastic water bottle like a 16 oz size, and it seemed like that took up too much room in the bag, and since I have been the toilet paper (and paper towel rolls Hoarding Queen since I saw the tip in GardenGate Magazine...I thought I'd use a paper towel holder instead.

well...Houston...we have lift off!!! look at what I found today =)

(i think this is Virgina Stock, from a group trade)

Thumbnail by nanniepb
Click the image for an enlarged view.

nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 11, 2009
9:43 PM

Post #6396712

I posted this on another thread too. I probably sowed too many seeds in one jug.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6396697

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 12, 2009
12:58 AM

Post #6397406

Oh nannie... you have "chia pets" i'll have a bunch of those too. my poppies are like that, but it's only a qt container.

usually plants that have teeny tiny seeds,... you will get chias.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 12, 2009
1:49 AM

Post #6397600

honestly, I didn't expect so many to work. mother nature likes to fool us.
look out next, year!

Don't eat too many chocolate bunnies ya'll =)

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 12, 2009
2:04 AM

Post #6397656

I had the same problem, nannie. I didn't expect so many to germinate, so I have a few where it looks like every single seed germinated!

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 12, 2009
2:21 PM

Post #6399131

My Larkspru jug looks like that...I did'nt know how will they would germinate...

Nanniepb, thank for showing how you did the bag! I was trying to figure that out.

Think I am going to to do some parsley today and maybe some more milkweed.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 13, 2009
4:27 AM

Post #6402099

Nanny...cute name ;) it was trial and error. it doesn't seem like the bags have as much space to sow, especially with the bottles inside, but once it warms up some, I can roll the top down. If anyone has a better way, I'd welcome the advice. maybe I'll post that question on the WS thread.
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 13, 2009
10:36 AM

Post #6402542

I hope everyone had a nice holiday. I checked my containers yesterday and this is my latest list of what has germinated.

Botanical Name
Agastache foeniculum 'Golden Jubilee'
Alcea ficifolia [Double Apricot]
Alcea ficifolia Nigra
Antirrhinum majus Black Prince
Antirrhinum majus 'Choice O.P. Mix'
Antirrhinum majus 'Magic Carpet'
Antirrhinum majus nanum Rembrandt
Antirrhinum majus Tetra Ruffled
Aquilegia formosa
Bellis perennis 'Habanera Mix'
Borago Officinalis
Calendula officinalis
Consolida ambigua mix
Consolida regalis 'Blue Cloud'
Convolvulus tricolor Dwarf Rainbow Flash
Dahlia variabilis Bishops Children
Dahlia variabilis Collarette Dandy
Dahlia-Unwin'S Dwarf Mixed Colors
Delphinium chinensis 'Blue Butterfly'
Digitalis grandiflora Pink Champagne
Digitalis parviflora Milk Chocolate
Digitalis purpurea 'Alba'
Digitalis purpurea Candy Mountain
Digitalis purpurea 'Glittering Prizes'
Eschscholzia californica Appleblossom
Eschscholzia californica Carmine King
Eschscholzia californica Mission Bells
Gomphrena haageana 'Strawberry Fields'
Helianthus annuus Italian White
Helianthus annuus 'Moonwalker'
Helianthus annuus Pastiche
Lycopersicon lycopersicum Cristal F1 Hybrid
Lycopersicon lycopersicum Harlequin F1 Hybrid
Lycopersicon pimpinellifolium
Lycopersicum Ladybug Hybrid
Malva sylvestris subsp. Mauritiana
Malva sylvestris 'Zebrina'
Nicotiana x sanderae
Nicotiana x sanderae Domino Mix
Nicotiana x sanderae Fragrant Cloud
Nicotiana x sanderae Sensation Mix
Papaver orientale
Papaver orientale Brilliant
Papaver somniferum
Phacelia dubia Lavender Lass
Phacelia viscida Tropical Surf
Salvia farinacea Fairy Queen
Salvia farinacea 'Silver White'
Zinnia - mixed varieties collected from wild
Zinnia elegans Dreamland Ivory Hybrid
Zinnia elegans Liliput Mix
Zinnia elegans Profusion Deep Apricot
Zinnia elegans Profusion Double Cherry
Zinnia elegans Profusion Fire Hybrid
Zinnia elegans Profusion White
Zinnia elegans 'Purple Prince'
Zinnia elegans Scabious Flowered Mixed
Zinnia elegans Whirligig Hybrid
Zinnia elegans Zowie! Yellow Flame
Zinnia Haageana Persion Carpet
Zinnia tenuifolia 'Red Spider'


All in all, I sowed 104 containers. I'm sure the warmer weather will trigger the remaining containers before long.
revclaus
(Judith) Denver, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 13, 2009
2:52 PM

Post #6403443

Wow! I'm impressed!
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 13, 2009
4:38 PM

Post #6403953

Nice Anita! How exciting to see all of those coming up!

I STILL have yet to sow any of my tender stuff.

I got out and watered everything good last week because they were all getting dry, of course, then it started RAINING for two days straight. Then on Sat my nice gentle rain turned to HAIL! ACK. I ran out there to protect some of the ones I had opened up so that they didn't get pummeled to death. I think they are ok, only my cornflowers are looking a little ragged. So I hope they recover.

This week we are in the 70s again and I too am expecting some more warmer things to get going. Especially with the combo of the rain and then the warmer temps.

We have our big wedding this weekend for my friend then I really expect to be able to spend some time outside. We will get our compost delivered next week and I should have plenty of time to get some stuff planted. I am so excited!

I think it really is finally spring around here!
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 13, 2009
4:49 PM

Post #6404003

We have had hail a couple of times and it is so great knowing that my babies are covered by their containers and safe. I love this method! I started my spring sowing the same way this week. No starter pots in the house. This is fantastic. It is so logical and makes so much sense. Why oh why have I struggled every year trying to grow these guys in the house? They are getting sunlight and have their own little green houses and are practically carefree and I will not be carrying them in and out every day trying to harden them off.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 13, 2009
4:58 PM

Post #6404061

I did a few Purple Milkweed seeds that I got from tcs last week. They require moist cold stratification. So I am gambling that I still have enough cold weather coming!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 13, 2009
5:35 PM

Post #6404240

nanny -- for part of the winter, all my seeds went outside in my unheated sun room. I just cant recall how long they were out there. I put 7 Purple MW seeds on a heat mat, i have 1 that germinate so far. and i have 1 pink also. Scarlets all came up in less than a week.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 13, 2009
7:28 PM

Post #6404766

Oh that may help me along then! I am doing the Scarlet next ...as soon as I have a empty container. :)

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 13, 2009
7:54 PM

Post #6404861

nanny -- i have not WS'ed any yet... I should do it, soon - since it's warming up... and of course when i get a few more containers. I still have Zinnias and Marigolds to do to. I've got some Zinnias on a heat mat ... last year i also did it, and most keeled over some time after germination. so far i've only lost 2 out of 14.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 13, 2009
8:00 PM

Post #6404886

Lissa, what do you mean by your 'tenders'?

My 'to sow' list keeps getting longer and longer. Or else I need to start giving seeds away =)

its damp outside..windy. the pollen is killing my sinuses today and theres a new cat/kitten shelter where my potting table was at. (the sinus problems is new too...ugh) we had to rescue momma plus 4 from the shed because I didnt know she was in there and locked her up for 3 days. my brother showed up to change oil in my tiller...he's being nice to me because he's waited till the last minute to get his taxes done. So, nothing has turned out right today.
complaining isnt helping either =)

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 13, 2009
8:27 PM

Post #6405013

nannie -- tenders, would be tender annuals. as sort of late frost would probably kill them.

I lost a few cosmos on year, Morning Glories, Zinnias, some marigolds ... I'm sure there are a lot more, but those I know for sure.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 14, 2009
3:08 PM

Post #6408542

good to know.
I sowed 9 tomatoes and 10 or 11 herbs yesterday.
I saved seeds of most of my herbs just in case.

the whole time i was sowing, i was thinking that I had 50 or 60 jugs ahead of these...where am I going to put them all!!!!

I'll have a table out by the road with a sign and a cup to pay.
I think that would work on my road. small town USA.
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2009
5:38 PM

Post #6409138

I sold honey and eggs with the cup for donations method for years. Gotta love small town, USA!

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2009
6:25 PM

Post #6409439

I am lining up takers for all the babies that I can't use...I though about a table out by the road too...LOL!
PlantiMcPlanter
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2009
8:05 PM

Post #6409889

I better get great germination because I've been promising plants to everyone! I've got about 50 outside, another dozen inside and haven't yet done the bulk of my tender annuals. And I'm having a great time!!
Potagere

April 14, 2009
9:52 PM

Post #6410440

Well, I had to work on the pond bridges and the vegetable garden terraces today, so I avoided looking at the WS containers.
Yesterday, I transplanted, into pots, about 37 HOS or individual plants from 5 WS containers.
I know! I can hear Karen and others saying that we are not supposed to "transplant" WS seedlings except directly into the garden.

Except, . . .
I don't yet have any garden prepared to take the plants that were crowding out their containers;
they were crowding them so severely as to become "leggy" and potentially too weak to survive a later transplant; and I just felt that I had to take charge here!
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
12:47 AM

Post #6411225

You do what you have to do. Just stick them into beds when those beds are ready.

I've only planted out 2 jugs. Our weather is too ugly to do anything. Cold, rainy, dark, dreary, windy... it's awful. My yard is a swamp. Of course it's supposed to be beautiful on Thursday and Friday when I'm working.

Karen

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
2:06 AM

Post #6411645

Wow! Amazing list, Anita! That's really something else! All in all I have sown 52 different kinds of seeds, so nothing in comparison to yours, though I still have all my annuals to sow. Many I will be direct sowing, as I'm just running out of time and containers, and I have so many other projects demanding my attention. I just can't keep up with it all!

LissaD, seeing as how warm you are there and still have not sown your tender stuff yet, either, I don't feel so bad.

Here's what's newly up now since the last time I posted a list of what was up:

Digitalis purpurea:
'Candy Mountain'
'Giant Shirley Mix'
'Elsie Kelsey'
'Pam's Choice'
'Dwarf Foxy'
'Apricot'

Aquilegia:
Doubles
'Summer Pastels'
'Clementine Mix'

Penstemon 'Esprit'
Alcea rosea 'Indian Springs Mix'
Achillea 'Cherries Jubilee'

Finally I'm seeing my digitalis and aquilegia up. I waited a long time on those. Most of them took about 2 months. I still have some that have not germinated yet. Ok, I must be patient! The 'Cherries Jubilee' Achillea only took a week to germinate, and the seed package said 14-21 days. I'm psyched over those!

Karen
Potagere

April 15, 2009
2:11 AM

Post #6411671

Ain't THAT the truth, Karen?!
The projected "good days" are ALWAYS "work days"!
But, here, we keep getting "promises" of rain, but NO RAIN!!!

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
2:21 AM

Post #6411723

Yes, it's supposed to be beautiful here, too, on Thurs. and Fri., and, of course, I have to work. Good news is that the weekend, when I'm off, should be good, unless that changes. I'm also off Monday next week, and we are going to get rain. The report says showers, 40% chance, so we'll see. Hopefully it won't be much.

Karen
Henygirl
Morgantown, WV
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
2:23 AM

Post #6411733

I am loosing my 'macho' attitude yall!! :O

In Jan, I was so ready to plant and dig I just kept telling everyone...its an experiment...it doesnt matter if they dont all sprout. It is the process.

WELL, I lied! ;) I want them all to LIVE!! I have several large babies and a few tiny ones...and over half my containers have no green at all...hope they all make it.

We finally have plans this weekend to build some raised bed boxes and plan out some spots for the flower beds.

I am getting excited...now if it could warm up a few more degrees.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2009
3:23 AM

Post #6411998

Be patient, Henygirl! If you sow it, they will grow. At least most will, anyhow!

Karen
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 15, 2009
6:38 AM

Post #6412451

April showers only bring May flowers if the ground gets dry enough to till the new beds.

more rain till Thursday here.

tell me again what HOS means? (go to bed, Phyllis)



Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

April 15, 2009
11:36 AM

Post #6412740

Hunk of seedlings. Sorry to jump in here. Just reading and enjoying my morning coffee before heading off to work.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 15, 2009
12:26 PM

Post #6412863

nannie -- when your container of seedlings looks like a Chia Pet... it's impossible to separate them [without driving yourself nuts] so you'd take that giant hunk, and split it into smaller chunks/hunks and just plant that.

sometimes, if my container is just a QT sized container... i will plant the whole thing as ONE. that is HOS.

I find gallon sized, i can quarter... then i have 4 hunks.
PlantiMcPlanter
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

April 15, 2009
3:18 PM

Post #6413642

I used to plant HOS before but always felt like I was doing something wrong! LOL It made me feel so much better to hear that it was an actual technique (whatever that means in gardening~ Ha!) Now I feel clever.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 15, 2009
9:20 PM

Post #6415332

i knew that! and now i feel silly.

i am getting impatient to start planting my chia pets!


Henygirl
Morgantown, WV
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2009
1:56 PM

Post #6418198

Okay folks...here is my 'journal' so far on my first time Winter Sowing.

http://picasaweb.google.com/mikeNheather.family/WinterSowing#5288774991652973970
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2009
2:14 PM

Post #6418284

Good job Heather! Congrats!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 16, 2009
2:15 PM

Post #6418288

wow -- i'd call that successful. great job! i love the way your railing holds those fruit containers.
Henygirl
Morgantown, WV
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2009
2:18 PM

Post #6418303

Yall do realize THIS place has created a monster. :P My neighbors are hoarding fruit containers for me. Friends and family and DG folks have sent me seeds...it is very addicting!
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 16, 2009
7:09 PM

Post #6419468

I should have done that (Picasa) so my family can watch what i've done. They think I'm crazy too! I'm like the bag lady, collection jugs and bottles. fruit containers. cereal bags. its bad.

I like how you've used several methods. Proves there is any wrong way.

Last spring I lost so many seeds by trying to direct sow and I thought I didn't need to be on DG. you know, like not being worthy, LOL. tis true. But this wintersowing has proved to be so much easier to me.
I didn't even sow my seeds 1/4" or 1/8" below...I literally sprinkled them on top of my mix and taped the lids down. nada. zippo.

Where ever Lorraine is, I have her to thank!
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2009
10:04 PM

Post #6420252

Yes, it's much better than direct sowing for most things and sure easier than indoors under lights. And I can start so much more outside in the sunshine. It would cost a blood fortune for enough lights and shelves to start this much indoors. No costly greenhouse either.

I have to say, though, that I do still direct sow larkspur in fall. I get much better results.

Karen
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 17, 2009
2:07 AM

Post #6421443

Nannie, I did the same thing. I just sprinkled seed on top of the soil and taped the lid down. I figure if we are copying the way nature reseeds stuff then that is the way to go. I have never seen mother nature out there with a rake covering seed and tamping down earth. Seed got covered a bit by accident with the watering and that is the way nature does it too. Son of a gun it worked! I am a believer!

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 17, 2009
4:13 AM

Post #6422098

Heather, I love the way you've put together that web album. What a great idea. I wish I had time to do that. I spend so much time here when I'm on-line that I don't have time for many other things. Plus I work 52 hours a week and spend a lot of my free time doing gardening stuff. You know how that goes. Sometimes I wonder how people find time to do other things.

Hmmm... And I spent all that time sprinkling starting mix on top of the seeds, and now I find it's not necessary at all. Live and learn!

Karen
kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 17, 2009
4:19 AM

Post #6422134

I am doing most of my spring sowing this same way in jugs. They sprout faster than direct sowing in their mini green house and it is easier to keep them watered properly. They will be nice and strong plants when they go out in the cold cruel world in the garden.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 17, 2009
4:32 AM

Post #6422177

Exactly, Kathy. Now, I was afraid doing tomatoes like that and some of my seeds were pretty rare, so I did cover those. Now watch those not do anything.

next year, I'll also cut my jugs and poke holes as I save them instead of when I need them.

kathy65468
Eunice, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 17, 2009
4:36 AM

Post #6422199

I hear ya, I am definitely going to be more ready next year. This is the easiest way to get started for the next growing season! It relieved the pressure of making room to start seed and then trying to take care of them and lose them to damping off or getting leggy. This is too cool. I used to try to use milk jugs over my tomato plants in the garden in early spring to protect them from the cold. I should have realized then that the best thing to do would be plant the darn seed in the jug in the first place LOL!
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 17, 2009
11:12 AM

Post #6422759

Way to go. One thing I like about w/s is that you can customize it to your own needs - whatever works for you! I'm taking my coffee out to the patio now and seeing how my containers look. I haven't been out there since last weekend.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 17, 2009
9:13 PM

Post #6425165

[quote]
Where ever Lorraine is, I have her to thank!
[/quote]


Newbie Seed Lorraine??
I thin i read somewhere she has some health issues, so someone else was taking over the Newbie Seeds thing.
Potagere

April 18, 2009
9:25 AM

Post #6427076

Lorraine has been quite ill. I think she is progressing, but it is good if eveyone keeps her in their thoughts!
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 19, 2009
7:28 PM

Post #6432975

Ive not heard updates lately about Lorraine, but I hope she'll be back soon. I think its been almost 2 months, hasnt it? In the Mixed Seed Nuts thread, Lorraine was the first to mention WS to me, so its all her fault that my back porch and sidewalk look like a milk jug jungle, lol.

I wanted to brag...Friday I transplanted 10 pots of Tarragon from one 2ltr bottle!!! I made a hefty one for me and could have made the others smaller and possibly made 20 pots, but since I planned to give these away to family/friends I didnt scrimp. I did the HOS method ;)

Friday and Saturday were gorgeous days. my front porch and the two flower beds next to the house are cleaned out. Spring was here...now its rain till Wednesday then colder nights again. I wish she'd make up her mind. ;)
Potagere

April 19, 2009
9:13 PM

Post #6433329

Hi, Phyl,

I'm glad to hear that your "tarragon" was so successful! As you are planning to give these away to so many, I fear that you are thinking that they are "culinary" tarragon ; i.e. the tarragon used in cooking.
I hope not!

Culinary tarragon (also known as "French tarragon" almost never sets seeds and is, therefore almost never grown from seed. On the other hand, "Russian tarragon", a cousin, and just as deceptive as a Cold War sleeper agent, looks a lot like French tarragon, even smells a lot like it, but has (relatively) almost no flavour, BUT can be and routinely is grown from seed.

Hope I'm not raining (too hard) on your parade here! If so, I'll be happy to try to send you a few rooted cuttings of French tarragon later in the year!

Jim

LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 20, 2009
3:05 PM

Post #6436756

Here are a few seedling pics:

This one is the lonely single sprout I have had from my lupines that I got from Jonna. Sure is pretty isn't it? The sunlight just catches it so nice.

Thumbnail by LissaD
Click the image for an enlarged view.

LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 20, 2009
3:10 PM

Post #6436776

This one is of two little Malva Moschata seedlings.

Thumbnail by LissaD
Click the image for an enlarged view.

LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 20, 2009
3:12 PM

Post #6436784

I posted this one on the "Show us your Jugs" thread. :)

I call it "Sunbathing". I think Jim also had the Fried Egg Plants growing. These are mine in the big water container.

Thumbnail by LissaD
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Potagere

April 20, 2009
3:56 PM

Post #6436945

Lissa,
I did! I do! Have "Poached Egg Plants" growing. Last week, I transplanted 11 of them to individual pots. There are still a few in the jug. Mine came up a bit more sparsely than yours, and I am of an age where it is hard to radically alter habits all at once, so I am still "transplanting" before "setting out". Hey, well you guys got me this far, anyway! No, but it's cool, because each of my transplants are showing really strong growth and I'll be able to put them exactly where I want them, with confidence!
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 21, 2009
11:04 AM

Post #6441232

So does that mean you are sold on wintersowing?
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 21, 2009
7:13 PM

Post #6443329

Jim, doggonit...I knew that. but I wasn't paying attention! well, i hope my friends appreciate their ornamental Tarragon ;)
haha maybe they wont notice
Indygardengal
Brownstown, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 22, 2009
2:01 PM

Post #6446939

Some of my jugs I have just about given up on but this morning I found some 'White Swan' echinacea sprouting. Yaayyy.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 22, 2009
2:14 PM

Post #6447027

I think all but maybe one variety of Echinacea has germinated.

i still have A LOT of things that have not. but we will have a nice warm up later in teh week, like everyone else in the mid-west region.
PlantiMcPlanter
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

April 22, 2009
2:51 PM

Post #6447226

We've had a few days of really nice temps...into the 70's. Not bad considering it was snowing on 4/14! The warm weather is just what many of my seeds have been waiting for. I've got lots of little sprouts. :) I'm not really organized enough to list them but I can tell you a couple that I'm especially excited about~

Goji berry - Lycium chinense
Alpine strawberry- Fragaria vesca
Hops- Humulus lupulus
Honeywort- Cerinthe major

These are all things I'm sowing for the first time. Plus, I found some old Malus sargentii - Flowering Crabapple seeds that I could never get to germinate before. I looked into the jug yesterday and yep, I've got two little sprouts! Wouldn't that be something if I can actually get a tree out of the deal :)

I still have things I've sown in the house that have to be hardened off...I got a late start on this whole WS idea. But I'm so glad that I'm not having to fuss with 50 different seedling groups in the house this year!

I like it!
nbgard
New Braunfels, TX
(Zone 8b)

April 22, 2009
3:30 PM

Post #6447432

I've been real pleased with the germination of my echinacea: White Swan, Merlot, Green Envy and Twilight (we'll see if the last two come true from seed). It is tough seeing how slow they grow, but I know from having done some regular old echinacea purpurea last year that they will have a big growth spurt sometime by mid summer. At least I still have the ones from last year which I bet will bloom sooner than these since they are good sized plants already.

Hmm, Goji berry. Do you hope to get a harvest of those PMcP? I haven't read up on them at all, but they sure have a great rep right now for being a very healthful food. Hope they do very well for you.
Tonya

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 22, 2009
7:27 PM

Post #6448432

I have some Bronze Fennel up!!! Wish my Swamp Milkweed woud have something in there...
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 22, 2009
8:38 PM

Post #6448774

Veronica, don't give up on any containers yet! I've had stragglers germinate in June, so don't lose hope.

nanny, I've wintersown 6 or 7 different butterfly weeds, and only one has sprouted. Swamp Milkweed is one of those I've sown, and its one of those that hasn't sprouted. I believe its typical for them to wait till its consistently warm.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 22, 2009
11:42 PM

Post #6449516

That is sure what I am hoping!!
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 23, 2009
12:29 AM

Post #6449720

OK... panic is beginning to set in just a tiny bit.

Here I have all these beautiful plants growing and they all look so healthy. What happens when I plant them out?

I took the plunge and cut out about 1/3 of a container of poppies. They were only about an inch tall but the roots could be seen in touching the bottom of the container. It was one of those clear plastic ones. I took the hunks and I dug up a good little section of soil. Made a hole and plopped them in. Today of course they are looking a little bit shrivelled and sad! I am trying to keep them moist so they can get established. But they get quite a bit of sun. I did plant them early in the evening after they were out of direct sun so they had overnight to recover... am I doing this right?

I only did a third of the container so that if they all die I can try again. LOL. I like them better in their little containers.
Henygirl
Morgantown, WV
(Zone 6a)

April 23, 2009
12:47 AM

Post #6449815

How do you know when they are ready to move out? :( I am having doubts now too.

I have some grouped for planting this weekend cuz they are growing out of the baggies ...roots are coming out of the bottom holes! :O
dlw28
New Haven, CT
(Zone 6b)

April 23, 2009
1:09 AM

Post #6449932

Hi everyone! I've not been online for a few weeks as I just adopted my rescued dog and have spent tons of time getting her settled in! She's a sweetie--although I caught her digging in the garden--uh-oh!

I have lots of sprouts and maybe I'll list them later because my unhappy old cat finally got to sit on my lap and I dare not move ;-) but I wanted to tell you my experience from last year with transplanting some WS sprouts.

Most seedings I put right in the ground and they did great!! I was planting them in April (our last frost date is May 15) and my co-workers were appalled (?spelling) but they did really well. But some of the perennials seemed less happy and I did what you did Lissa--I took some from my container and put them in the ground and waited to see what happened. I read somewhere that there is this term--potting out maybe--where the seedlings are put in a larger pot and then stuck in the ground near the house where it's shady. Actually it's called plunge potting. And it lets the plant get strong and mature to be planted in the ground in the fall or next spring. Or that was my take on it anyway! It did seem to work with a few things and I decided to try it again this year with a few plants that I REALLY want to do well to give them more of a chance with the slugs in particular.

Anyone else try this??
dlw28
New Haven, CT
(Zone 6b)

April 23, 2009
1:14 AM

Post #6449954

I plant out when the sprouts have several 'true' leaves. Then I put something over them for a week or so that provides a little shade. I planted the wallflowers, alyssum, calendula, and flax this weekend and I put a tray over some of them--one with holes in it--and even stuck some little shells around some of them cos I ran out of trays. LOL the yard does look interesting!
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 23, 2009
4:16 AM

Post #6450800

thats my reservation about planting all my goodies...that they'll be planted in places all over the yeard and i'll have to run around covering them up. uncovering them. Although if they've been outside so far, they are supposed to already be hardened. no? yes? for the cool weather, I think mine are ok because I have been leaving the top off of many of mine, but I will be very surprised if we dont have a couple more freezes. or snow

I intended to plant this afternoon but I had the pleasure of a satellite tv guy who was obviously on the clock.. He was here from 12:45 till 5:00pm.! at 3:30 I said, do you think you'll be done by 4:30 because I have to leave and he assured me, OH Yes...not. I finally left him fininishing up some of the outside work. so I hope to get outside tomorrow. and by the weekend its supposed to be 86!

several of my herbs (in freezer packs) are up...no sign of tomatoes and peppers.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 23, 2009
11:10 AM

Post #6451232

If you've cut the tops of your containers, the seedlings should be hardened off and shouldn't need covering once planted (hardier things that would be planted now). For me, wintersowing is all about simplifying the whole process- they get planted and watered and are pretty much on their own after that. Wintersown plants seem more resilient to me.

Today I'm planting the first of my wintersown babies! Calendula, Feverfew, Lunaria, and Lupines are ready for homes, and its supposed to be in the 70's here today..doing the happy dance!

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 23, 2009
12:35 PM

Post #6451461

I planted a few of my Larkspur and something ate them!! So I will let them get a little bigger before I put any more out.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 23, 2009
12:44 PM

Post #6451503

I havent cut off any lids yet... but i do have a few that are "open" by taking off the twisty tie and flippin the lid back.

I should probably get the poppies planted today... by Peopny Poppies are a "chia" with no room to grow. They are only in a Half & Half container... so they are really smooshed in there.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 23, 2009
12:46 PM

Post #6451520

OH nanny -- dont ya just HATE that!!

that has happened to me before too... dont know if it was the rabbits or squirrels.

my first year with MG's [in `07] I planted out over 75 lil MG seedlings... they ate all but about 7.
forget about the Sunflowers... they never last either... and with all the food i toss out there for the lil buggers, they have to eat my plants too.
Henygirl
Morgantown, WV
(Zone 6a)

April 23, 2009
12:46 PM

Post #6451523

I opened them and cut off tops as the sprouts began to show.

How do I know when the 'real' leaves are showing...yall I am a beginner but went full fledged into the winter sowing...it is so easy so far. I will try and post pictures of the ones I think are ready and the ones I think need more time in their baggie/container homes.

It is fun and I do think they are getting stronger.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 23, 2009
12:54 PM

Post #6451549

OH -- i forgot to mention... i think my Purple Millet keeled over, but the Rose Mallow -- I've got about 5 that are nice and strong. We did have a bit of real cold weather where i lost a few when they were tiny seedlings... but i think a good 5 survived. I'm real excited about these... as they are really pretty, and i'd never heard of them before. Lavatera trimestris "Silver Cup"

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 23, 2009
12:56 PM

Post #6451556

Thank goodness I have a whole jug full!! LOL

Gee and I have 4 kinds of Sunflowers here I plan on trying. All the ones the chipmunks plant from the birdseed sprout...
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 24, 2009
10:54 AM

Post #6455856

Heather, the first 2 leaves are the seed leaves, or cotyledons (that is, 2 for dicotyledons, whereas monocotyledons have 1), and the leaves produced after that are the true leaves.
Henygirl
Morgantown, WV
(Zone 6a)

April 24, 2009
11:09 AM

Post #6455876

Okay so if they have more than 4 leaves...I can conclude they have 'true' leaves?

Thanks for answering...I am trying to learn the whys of stuff too. :P
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 24, 2009
11:15 AM

Post #6455894

That's exactly right :-) Gardening is as good an exercise for the brain as the body, you never stop learning new things.
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 24, 2009
3:55 PM

Post #6457055

UGH, I am sitting here on the couch while my husband is playing outside. We are getting compost and gravel today for our projects. And here I sit. I threw out my back yesterday morning. I have been to the chiropractor twice in 12 hours, and now I must rest...

so frustrating. I am not sick, I am not tired, I just can't put any weight on my hips. I guess this is one way to get me to slow down a bit.

Joy of joys though, some of the irises that I rescued last fall are putting up flower stalks and I got 5 daylillies from Wandasflowers when she was giving away daylillies to newbies last fall and one of them is going to flower as well. My first daylilly!
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

April 24, 2009
5:21 PM

Post #6457453

Here are some of my new babies. This pix was taken yesterday. It froze last night, so I am afraid to go outside and look at them.

Thumbnail by LynnPhillips
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Potagere

April 24, 2009
7:33 PM

Post #6458044

I hope they survived, Lynn! Those look great!
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 24, 2009
8:18 PM

Post #6458252

Lissa, the good thing about gravel and compost is that it will still be there in a few days. You need to take care of YOU.

Lynn, hurry...go look...we're in suspense. I bet/hope they are OK.

I sowed Anise Hyssop, Lemon, Genovese, Cinnamon and Sweet Basils today. 1 more. ??? and my peppers that I sowed last week have teeny sprouts opening up! my hungarian wax peppers!!!! yeah! the one and only pot that i used a plastic coffee can and spread saran wrap across the top, then held it in place with a rubber band worked!
maybe my tomatoes will be right behind that. I rearranged my pots and freezer bags. more pictures when the sun moves to the other side of the house.

and cleaned out two more flower beds. I thought it was getting awfully hot out. when I quit, it was 84 degrees!!! can you say, Farmers Tan?

AND...the guy finally came with the tractor to plow the garden today!!!
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

April 25, 2009
6:30 AM

Post #6460303

Good news, my babies survived the cold night. I want to start planting some in the ground, but I don't want to get too hasty after getting them this far. Patience... I am now a WS believer.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 25, 2009
4:10 PM

Post #6461456

Lynn -- i've planted out a few things already.

Tunic Flower
Poppies :
- 8th Wonder
- Peony Poppy

Dianthus Micro Chip

Where has the season gone?? there are still more seeds i want/need to germinate.

I have only WS'ed 1 MG [no germination yet] but yesterday i found a seedling out in a bed. I'm thinking it's GrandPa Ott, due to the seedlings location.

It just started pouring again... checked the radar though, and it should blow thru quickly... the winds here have been howling the past few days... yesterday i actually found it tiring to be out there in it. Luckily none of my containers blew away... i had some of them out 'sunning' on my patio ,,, then the winds really whipped up and i had to get them back in their boxes. And silly me - i was out there with my note pad and clip board with spreadsheets trying to take inventory -- that wasn't gonna happen... everything kept blowing away - than heavens i have a fenced yard.

Hopefully i can get out there after the rain, as i know i have a few more seedlings that i have not had a chance to make note of,

[listening to the weather in the background... some storms may be severe, winds 25-40mph ... no mention of gusts]
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

April 25, 2009
5:23 PM

Post #6461706

I am so behind in my record keeping. I have scraps of notes everywhere, in pockets, in the GH, in the garage, laundry room, by the computer. I really need to get organized.
I agree, Teresa, where has the time gone? I still have seeds to sow, also.
Yesterday, I almost planted the Cherry Tomatoes and the Atkinson Tomatoes that I got from the Piggy Swap in an EB. They are still small, is it better to wait until they are larger?
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 25, 2009
5:43 PM

Post #6461781

my spreadsheet went to heck too! but, I did stick the last two plantings into separate baggies. maybe i can still catch up.

i wanted to plant this afternoon too but its in the 80's again today. then this evening I'm taking pictures for my DN's prom. maybe i can get a few plants in before dark.

we had the trees trimmed a few months agoand they had to cut two down so my yard is FULL of sunlight now. i have a feeling i'm going to miss the shade.
Potagere

April 25, 2009
6:10 PM

Post #6461874

Lynn,
As a former Washingtonian, I'd give the tomatoes a chance to grow and not put them out until about 15 May. But then, I grew up on "the other side". When I lived in Seattle, I never planted tomatoes out until early June!

This comment may generate some other ideas, from folks still growing in the PNW, but I think waiting is better.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

April 25, 2009
7:05 PM

Post #6462021

Jim, I have to agree with you. I was just over anxious. When I brought them outside, they looked so small. I am going to take them out of their teeny pots and pot them up, but leave them in the GH.
I feel for you Teresa. I hate the severe wind. I grew up near Omaha, NE
Nannie, I am envious of your Farmer Tan! I would love to see a few days of 80 degrees. Post the pictures, not the Farmer Tan pix, LOL, well maybe the guys would like them!
Potagere

April 25, 2009
7:46 PM

Post #6462164

I may be the only guy here, but I'm always open to pics of tanned women gardeners!

I am still "transplanting" my WS plants. I guess I am just less organized than others : I simply do not yet have places to put them!!! Priority goes to the veggie beds. Actually, the transplanting is pretty cool, because you get to see these plants begin to mature; and you get to give them away; and you get to hear people say, can "I have one of those?"

Anita asked about 3 or 4 screen pages earlier if I was now "sold" on WS.
Well, in a word, "No".

I will have far more flower plants than I have ever had before. AND that's great.
So far, way less than 50% of what I WSed has shown up. That's not cool
[I admit that all failures may be my own for WSing seeds I should have sown indoors or sown later; but how do you know if you don't try? Unfortunately, some that have not germinated are ones I normally germinate indoors. Fortunately, some that have not germinated are ones I normally germinate indoors AND I kept seed!]
I am also disappointed that some of my "experimental" seeds (crosses, mutants, other oddities) that normally require vernalization have failed to germinate by WS. Again, I have kept extra seeds to try under my usual controlled conditions.
I planted 3 varieties of tomato as a WS test. So far, only 1 has germinated. Meanwhile, my "normally grown" tomatoes are burgeoning! The "test" is not done yet, of course, but WS for tomatoes is not looking good.
I sowed 6 varieties of peppers and chiles in WS, and 46 varieties inside to grow under lights. I had success with 43 of the indoor sown peppers, and most are now outside during the day and in the GH at night as 6" - transplants (I cannot reliably put them into the garden until the end of May). Not a one of the WS varieties have appeared yet (and all sown were ones that did successfully germinate indoors)

Consequently, I remain "iffy" on WS.
I see both advantages and disadvantages.
I do think, however, since this is my first attempt, that there is a lot to learn from this, and that a more judicious choice of seed to sow (and when) in subsequent years will probably add this technique to my repertoire as suitable for suitable plants, if that is clear!

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2009
12:02 AM

Post #6463074

Hello all,
This is my first year to winter sow and I'm very impressed! I'm also scared to death to lose the sprouts I have so far, and very nervous that if everybody survives... where in the world am I going to put them, and when will I have time to plant them!?

Edited: Removed outside link to spreadsheet. Sorry if I offended, or worried, anyone with the link.

Have fun,
Bev/Sundownr

This message was edited Apr 25, 2009 9:19 PM

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 26, 2009
12:13 AM

Post #6463114

Uggggggg. we jsut got pelted by hail!! i ran out to cover my seedlings... all seemed OK, but i did toss a sheet over the.
and brought in my Yvonnes... luckily that was unscathed... as were all my new hostas in pots.
Potagere

April 26, 2009
12:39 AM

Post #6463238

Just out of curiosity, why are those of us referring to our "journals/records/spreadsheets/etc" not referring to DG Garden Journal records? That's where all of my data is, but when I refer to it, no one seems to look at it.
Is the DG Garden Journal format not useful to folks? Hard to refer to?
Why would you prefer an X'cel spreadsheet?

I'm just really curious, because I have been using the DG Garden Journal and found it really useful for WS, so I am really curious why others keep referring us to weird offline databases.

With all due respect, not knowing "Sundownr", there is no way I am going to open my computer to rabid viruses by clicking on a "google.com" link when DG offers a perfectly good, and secure, journal option . . . unless someone can give me a good explanation of why that was a better choice than using DG's secure sytem and how safe it is for me to access that remote point.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 26, 2009
1:26 AM

Post #6463395

Jim -- i think it's because i know excel and find it easy to work with... I have not had the time to figure out The Journal ... i thought i would have over the winter... but i dont know where all that time went.

Each year i can add sheets to my "Book" so i have the previous years to refer to. It's jsut been easy for me... and for me to enter all that data into what Daves offers... i shutter at the time that may take... and time i just dont have right now.
I've got well over 200 seeds in my database, then i have a list for the containers I've sown.

cripes... and i'm a house wife... i honestly dont know how working women/men do it.

I'll take a peek at your journal ... when i get a free moment tonight... now if i can just remember why I sat down in this chair again... I know it was for something not Daves related... but i tend to be drawn here.

Terese
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 26, 2009
1:28 AM

Post #6463397

Honestly Jim I have tried to figure out the garden journal and I haven't been able to figure out how to add to it!

I have always been familiar with making databases in Excel so that is what I used. this way I can sort data by the categories I have included. I also use Google.docs for a lot of applications. It is a very safe application to use and to share.

Here is my google doc spreadsheet. I haven't updated the most recent rash of sprouts. I only have about 25 containers out of 115 that haven't germinated.


http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pWHv52CDURY1xswX_eMhucw



This message was edited Apr 25, 2009 7:36 PM

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 26, 2009
1:30 AM

Post #6463403

Lissa -- says "no permission"... Mine too is uploaded to Google Docs.
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 26, 2009
1:36 AM

Post #6463422

ok, updated the link, that one should work now. :)

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2009
1:38 AM

Post #6463428

Potagere,

I'm very sorry if I broke some type of protocol with the outside link to my WS spreadsheet on Google. I wasn't aware that viruses could be hidden in them, but I guess it's possible, so I removed it.

To answer your question, I used Google Docs for my spreadsheet because it was handy, I'm already familiar with it, and I haven't taken the time to look over the Journal and how it functions. I'm sure the Journal is a great little tool, as others have said, and some day I will get around to looking at it.

"Sundownr"
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 26, 2009
1:44 AM

Post #6463449

OH Bev, I don't think there is any rule about it. I was very interested to see your seeds and what you have growing. I think Jim was just being cautious, and there is nothing wrong with that! Everyone has their own comfort level with sharing information and clicking on links, etc. I have a whole business online and so I go a lot of places and see a lot of things. Google docs is one of the programs I use a lot so I didn't have a problem using their link. :)


Welcome! Glad you could join us. It is so fun to see the different types of seeds everyone grows. I am not doing a lot of veggies yet. I only have a cherry tomato so far, but I had 10 sprouts that came up. LOL. I will probably be able to keep the whole county in cherry tomatoes!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 26, 2009
1:49 AM

Post #6463474

Here's my "Docs" on google http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pFvffOeHPsTqxA3soSC3iaA&hl=en

Bev - Sundownr ... i missed yours and now i see you edited it out... i'd like to take a peek... i like ot see how others do their spreadsheets. If you dont want to repost it... you can send it in Dmail.
Potagere

April 26, 2009
2:14 AM

Post #6463555

I think LissaD answered for me!
There is no protocol, and you did not offend in any way, Sundownr.
It's just that DG has the tools, yet I find that few seem to be using them.
At the same time, having spent 1000s of dollars replacing a system wiped out by opening a "google" document -- not to mention the ongoing project after 7+ months of reconstructing an address book and recreating lost documents and info -- there is no way I will again open a "google"-based document.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 26, 2009
2:18 AM

Post #6463570

ouch Jim -- that stinks... i too would be "shy" of any 'off site' docs too.

Is it morning already... or you just dont sleep much?
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

April 26, 2009
3:55 AM

Post #6463903

Ouch is right! It is crazy when things like that happen for sure. Sorry to hear that happened to you!

LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

April 26, 2009
4:55 AM

Post #6464052

I use the DG Journal somewhat. I have not updated this past month, though. I will look at yours, Jim, to get some ideas. I am not very familiar with Excel.
Potagere

April 26, 2009
10:10 AM

Post #6464368

Some days, I just don't sleep much, Teresa! Comes with aging, I guess.

I never knew about the DG Journals until I started WS, and now I find it irreplaceable.
I also use Xcel for some things, such as keeping track of heights, spacing, light, water & fertilizer requirements of perennials. So, in my opinion, they all work together.

For reference to others' work, however, I like the DG Journals because I am 99% sure that if I open one I'm not going to be "bitten" by some new bug that will get past my firewall and anti-virus.
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 26, 2009
11:07 AM

Post #6464418

I use a combination of Excel and Acess. I like them because of the ease of manipulation and reporting of data.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 26, 2009
1:03 PM

Post #6464732

anita -- for some reason... i just can't get the hang of access.
I was hoping my library would have a 'class' for it [like they do word, excel and PP] but there is no demand for learning it. Odd. tried to muddle thru myself.. but i just dont get it.

>>just don't sleep much, Teresa! Comes with aging, I guess.

I hear that from my mother-in-law too, and my mom is getting close...i know she's an early riser - though she says you have to be when living in the desert [southern AZ] because you have to get the work done before it gets too hot.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 26, 2009
1:08 PM

Post #6464756

Jim -- i see what you mean about the Journal ... i guess once i figure out how to get the data in there... it'd be easy enough to use.

i see you have "Argentine Jasmine" Mandevilla laxa -- i got some from Ilsa too.
I did mine on a heat mat in a south facing window. out of 7 seeds, i had 4 germinate ... i think 1 died ...
though there are two good sized seedlings. I'm hoping for the best - not sure how they will do in my zone, but she said they did fine for her mother - who was in a colder zone... so we shall see.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 27, 2009
2:10 AM

Post #6468103

I understand the sleep thing- I can't sleep past 6 a.m. anymore. Usually I'm up before 5:30. But I go to bed by 10 most of the time.

I've never learned to use the Journal, either. I've used an Excel document in the past and it works for me. I figure if I ever give up membership to Dave's my info would be lost. The spreadsheet is mine.

Karen
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 27, 2009
4:26 AM

Post #6468632

i havent had time to re-do what I accidently started as a table in Word. and I lOVE working with Excell. What was I thinking?

as long as it works, no?

i actually had to water my WS jugs tonight! these 84-87 degree days weren't supposed to happen this soon. I almost lost 2 jugs from the heat, can you believe it??? it always snows when my snowball bush blooms. (which is now)

(edited to remove a wise crack that was un-necessary. yesterday was a bad day, I think. i was full of em')



This message was edited Apr 27, 2009 10:50 AM
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

April 27, 2009
7:36 PM

Post #6471141

Jim I know I'm a bit late to react on your DG Journals. Was too busy with transplanting my WS seedlings.
As you know I'm European, so I'm not familiar with the US common names. I always use the latin/botanical names.
Your Journal is very good, but there are 2 things that it makes it very hard to work with it for me:
1. The common names are in alphabetical order, not the botanical names
2. If I want to see how some of the seeds I've WS'd are doing at other people, I have to check a lot of Journals.
I have quite a lot 'not common' plants, but even the common ones are not all on your Journal. That's not a
offense, just to let you know that I would prefer a D-base with contributions of all WS'ers.

I prefer to send my experiences to Anita (she has to wait some time, because I'm too busy now). She has a good system. If everyone sends hers or his experiences to her, we will really have a D-base that can be used by all winter sowers.
And I think that is what we all need. I had a lot of good germinations, but some seeds gave just one or two sprouts. Some others didn't sprout at all.
And, altough I have my D-base in Lotus, I can transfer it to Excel.
And, if some people have no Excel or other compatible D-base, I think Anita will try to publish their results, as she can get some help doing that.

bobyrd
Conroe, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 27, 2009
11:17 PM

Post #6472093

Help it is raining buckets here. I just planted out some of my WS containers this weekend and I am afraid those and the ones still in the milk jugs out there are going to drown. It is raining buckets and I just saw a huge turtle hot footing it down the 17th fairway behind my house. He was heading north! :o)
nbgard
New Braunfels, TX
(Zone 8b)

April 28, 2009
1:22 PM

Post #6474218

We've had lot's of rain, too. Love it, though. Your turtle story reminded me of one of my own. Believe it or not, we had a turtle crossing sign on a street near our home with this silly looking turtle on it similar to deer crossing signs. Shortly after it was put up, it disappeared. We assumed someone thought it would look better on their wall. The saddest part was that less than a week later there was a dead turtle on the road right by where the sign was! I guess he didn't see that the sign was missing!

If you have a good amount of drainage holes in your jugs, I'm thinking they will be fine.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 28, 2009
2:59 PM

Post #6474617

more sun today. its been in the 80's since last thursday! 20% chance of rain.

i shouldn't admit this but the first flower that was up, the one thats been without a lid the longest has buds on it!!! i should take a picture with one sticking thru the hole where the cap goes.

i was out of town till after 8pm last night and did something crazy to my back putting my sewing machine in and out and in the back seat to get it cleaned and serviced yesterday and I dont know if i can work outside again today. needless to say my machine stayed outside last night.

i need a helper!
Potagere

April 28, 2009
5:57 PM

Post #6475450

Jonna,

I do see you points, but let me respond.
As you know, I live in Europe (and, in fact, have not lived in the USA for 2/3rds of my life!), so I hardly know any "Common Names". Sometimes, I know the American ones; sometimes I know the Thai ones; sometimes I know the French one; and, most often, as I deal with all these flowers that are essentially new to me, I don't have a clue!
When I open my Journal, it is alphabetical by botanical name. If, when, you look at it, it is alphabetical by "common name". that is just one of those weird defaults of DG.
And it's easy to fix! Just move your courser over the column "Genus", click, and "voila!", the list will be in alpha order by botanical name!

Of course, my journal will have only the seeds I have started; and that probably has SOME overlap with yours, but only some.

"Lotus"!!! I actually did not know it still existed; or at least not in a form compatible with modern computers! I learn something new every day!
Of course, that's the other problem, from my perspective. If I were to contribute to a "D-base with contributions of all WS'ers", I'd have to either use or be able to convert my own info to a standard format in a software programme that would require me to do everything! With the DG Journal, I just enter info. It's all set up for me! And, if I go look at someone else's Journal, I know how it works and can follow what they have done easily.

Just my thoughts on this.

Now, I have to get back to transplanting!!!
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

April 28, 2009
8:43 PM

Post #6476233

Jim, I found out that it is really easy to get the botancial names in alphabetical order. Thanks for your help on this. Now I can really use your journal.
I know Lotus is very 'old', but it is much easier to use than Excel and much better. I can convert Lotus (1995 version, so 14 years old) to Excel, but I can't convert Excel to Lotus. I hate that Microsoft always tries to keep their customers away from any other program. I started my D-base in Lotus and I want to keep it there. Really don't want to have to do all the extra's I must do in Excel.
Maybe there is someone who can learn us to send in all our experiences on WS, independent which program one uses.
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 28, 2009
11:10 PM

Post #6476851

Here's what I planted today from my WS jugs. some of these are listed by the names given in seed trades:

Rose Campion (one of my favorite flowers. attached is a picture too so show how thick this thing was!)
Perennial Lupine
Delphinium - Dwarf Chinese - Blue Butterfly
Chilean Monkey Flower
Echnicea - Merlot
Wild Bergamont (which is Monarda, I believe)
Cosmos Picotee Bipinnatus (this had blooms already)
Dianthus
Aquilegia - Double Pleat - Blue/White
Color Wheel Garden - blue ( free gift from Select Seeds)
Cardinal Climber - Ipomeoa multifida

these were the guys screaming to get out...by no means am I done


Thumbnail by nanniepb
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nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 28, 2009
11:20 PM

Post #6476885

PS...my tomato and pepper seeds are sprouting too. those were sown less than 2 weeks ago.

now i'm recyling jugs from my first crops to sow more seeds. this really does work IMHO. And these seeds are mostly from DG swaps. I was afraid some were too old.

guys and gals...I am hooked.these were easy to transplant as well. We are scheduled for lows in the 50's thru till next week. I think everything will have a good 'toe hold' as my grandpa would say.

i wish you all continued sucess =)

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 29, 2009
12:14 AM

Post #6477104

We're having nights back in the 40's... so far all my babies that have been planted are doing just fine.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

April 29, 2009
1:40 AM

Post #6477578

I have sprouts now in my Swap Milkweed and the nicotiana that I got from Neal!!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 29, 2009
3:04 AM

Post #6477983

My guess is, i have seedlings in about half of my containers, or just under.
I haven't been able to go and do a 'head count' lately -- due to the wind and rain.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

April 29, 2009
10:57 AM

Post #6478603

Yayyy, nanny! I had pretty good germination from the 2nd sowing of the Nicotiana sylvestris, but they're tiny and just sitting there. Hoping this warm weather gives them a boost. I've gotten some containers planted out the last few days, and am thrilled to see this rain we're getting now- they should settle in beautifully! I have germination in about 2/3s of my containers now. I discovered some slugs trying to devour my babies yesterday- something to keep an eye out for. They're typically only a problem for me on the containers that are sitting on the ground (I've moved all the containers off the deck to make room for people and furniture, LOL).

Do any of you fertilize your wintersown seedlings? They typically don't seem to need it, but I have a few jugs that seem to be growing sluggishly, and I'm thinking I'll give them a nutrient boost.
Neal
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

April 30, 2009
3:51 AM

Post #6482703

I am not bragging because I dont think it was anything i did. because if anything, i was 'sloppy' with my sowing. But Ive only seen 3 or 4 empty jugs out of 60 plus. That means that my friends here on DG's have good seeds, eh?

Neal,my starter mix was supposed to have it, but now that we've had a few rains and snows, I plan on using fish emulsion. i read that was good for young seedlings.

whats everyone else doing?

carrielamont

carrielamont
Milton, MA
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2009
2:47 PM

Post #6492817

I haven't read all the comments above--I'm sorry. But I keep finding MORE seeds that I had tucked away last fall so I could do them this spring. (heavy sigh.) So I'm still going and going and going.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

May 2, 2009
2:49 PM

Post #6492828

I have more seeds but i think I better stop. I don't know where I am goin to put all of what I have plus all the daylilies I have coming!
nanniepb
Cumberland Mtns, TN
(Zone 6b)

May 8, 2009
9:28 PM

Post #6523118

My jugs have survived the rainstorms we've been having every day.
I was surprised.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Milton, MA
(Zone 6a)

May 10, 2009
12:13 AM

Post #6527650

I keep dumping out the pooled water in my trays, but then again, these are trays, not true WS jugs.
LissaD
Corrales, NM
(Zone 7a)

May 16, 2009
2:17 PM

Post #6555898

Let's start up a new thread... I want to hear how the transplanting is going.


http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/989368/

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