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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

April 29, 2009
7:01 PM

Post #6480502

I love wide crosses in Iris since you never know what you are going to get.
I crossed Chanted an occasionally reblooming Standard Dwarf Bearded Iris with the Species Iris lutescens

This Chanted

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

April 29, 2009
7:02 PM

Post #6480507

This is the Species about 6"
Chanted is 8-10"

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

April 29, 2009
7:07 PM

Post #6480530

This cross produce 32 seedlings 7 have already been put to compost muddy yellow bad form etc. 6 of this cross were wonderful maroons with good form. Expecting the rest to bloom the first two were a surprise

This Is this purple one bloomed similar to Iris lutescens when it first opened

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

April 29, 2009
7:07 PM

Post #6480538

Then a couple hours later it was a complete disaster

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

April 29, 2009
7:08 PM

Post #6480545

Right next to it was this little one which maintained its form for several days

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gardener2005
Baton Rouge area, LA
(Zone 8b)

May 15, 2009
3:39 PM

Post #6552118

This is very interesting and I hope you will continue to share more pictures. Thanks!
avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

May 15, 2009
6:41 PM

Post #6552863

Here is one of the maroons that I will be keeping

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

May 15, 2009
6:42 PM

Post #6552873

And another sibling

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gardener2005
Baton Rouge area, LA
(Zone 8b)

May 15, 2009
7:20 PM

Post #6553007

I can see why. Those are beautiful and expressive...and impressive!
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

May 15, 2009
8:26 PM

Post #6553282

Those maroons are beautiful!

irisMA

irisMA
South Hamilton, MA

May 18, 2009
3:43 AM

Post #6563134

When Chanted first came to USA, Keith Keppel crossed it onto the whole garden of SDBs. He did us all a favor by analizing the results & found that while it had good form, it still needed to be crossed to good form to keep it. Such wide crosses as you have found, need form improvements. So your 'good' maroon results should be crossed to good form as well?
avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

May 26, 2009
7:43 PM

Post #6600733

Here is another wide Cross
This is between Persian Padishah and arilbred 3/4 and Daughter of Stars a Tall Bearded

This is Daughter of Stars

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

May 26, 2009
7:43 PM

Post #6600739

This is Persian Padishah the pod Parent

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

May 26, 2009
7:44 PM

Post #6600745

This is Seedling #1 nice Onco Form strange pattern luminata like pattern

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

May 26, 2009
7:46 PM

Post #6600749

This is seedling #2
Little narrow but it takes a while for Arilbred to develop This one has a very faint teal wash on the fall

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

May 26, 2009
7:48 PM

Post #6600753

This is #4

A glaciata pattern which means there is no purple in the flower
Nicer form than 2 and a nice diamond dusting

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avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

May 26, 2009
7:49 PM

Post #6600758

This is #6 ok form nice color good spot

Still have 3 others that will probably bloom next year and these will hopefully be even better.
:)
A

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echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

May 26, 2009
8:23 PM

Post #6600902

Very pretty. It's amazing how many different forms you got!
cheerpeople
northwest, IL
(Zone 5a)

June 23, 2009
7:57 PM

Post #6728400

INteresting.
PLease define "wide cross" if it's a hybridation term.
For example if it were possible, would iris pseudacorus x TB iris be a wide cross?
or species iris pumila x TB 'Variegata' iris?

or is it just bearded iris of different heights that would be a wide cross?

thx!
Karen
avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

June 23, 2009
8:32 PM

Post #6728484

Iris Pseudacorus X TB probably would not take since one is bearded and one is not
The Iris pumila X TB is a wide cross. Usually wide crossed at unrelated species or cultivars originating from unrelated i.e Aril X bearded = Arilbreds.

Arilbreds X bearded though came from both is still a wide cross just putting more of one's genes into the mix.

Crosses between I. lutescens with a pumila derived dwarf would also be a wide mix.

I am calling them wide because current hybridizers are using alot of line breeding and inbreeding.

irisMA

irisMA
South Hamilton, MA

June 23, 2009
9:16 PM

Post #6728613

Don't have pictures, but my wides are I.aphylla X TB pollen donated by a friend, & tet. MTB x pumila
avmoran
Pylesville, MD
(Zone 6b)

June 24, 2009
11:10 AM

Post #6731055

WOW those would be something to look at
:)
A

irisMA

irisMA
South Hamilton, MA

June 24, 2009
3:23 PM

Post #6731853

The first are all purple with haft markings in some cases, TB was plic seedling. I have discarded many, still working on narrowing them down. Grow like weeds, trying to leave the best form for the next step. TB x pumila has 2 plants.Tet MTB x pumila has no germination as yet. The last one is because of Ben Hager's advice to try that for MDBs. (miniature dwarf). It has been reprinted in the dwarf newsletter several times including the current issue.

irisMA

irisMA
South Hamilton, MA

June 27, 2009
8:43 PM

Post #6746390

The next step in the aphylla x TB is to watch to harvest the bee pods, quite a few this yr; slated for SIGNA.

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