I got a Tina tropical semidwarf, and it bloomed! I'm new to gardening and am so excited! It's blue/purple color is so vibrant! I'm trying to get it to propagate vivaporously, but so far no luck, although almost every leaf has a nub.
If you're asking me, flowerehj, I collected hardy water lilies and added a couple of tropicals on a lark, but the hardies held my interest. As such, propagation for me consisted of simple division of the plants each year.
Your waterlily is lovely, and I suspect that it's only the first of many - better start digging those extra ponds! (Get a lotus - you'll play for hours sprinkling water droplets on the leaves).
Slocum Watergardens: http://floridaplants.com/Store/slocumindex.htm
I went to see them and they were very helpful. Plants arrived exactly when they say they did, with buds already on the waterlily. It's been blooming non-stop since the first flower came out. (We're on the 3rd flower now!). What is the magic with water droplets on lotus leaves? Macatmom, you made me curious!
To be honest, I wouldn't know. The image I'm attaching is of the waterlily in the pond for about a week. So you can figure. They are not huge in my opinion, but definitely a good size. To be honest, I don't want them huge- I like them small in my small pond! Hey, wait a minute! I paid only 25, plus 10 for shipping and handling (the lily plus dwarf cattail and an oxygenating plant) I just checked the price at the website... What the heck? Maybe you should just call them. ?? Weird. I'm new to gardening, so I don't know what is a good deal/what isn't, but I do know the plants arrived healthy and I was very happy. ? :-S
No fair, flower! You have to discover that for yourself. You don't need a new pond for a lotus - you can grow a dwarf lotus in a large tub. Before long, you'll be a water garden addict. Have fun with your new hobby - it will give you lots of pleasure.
Haha! Hey, that's a great link, I also found that one. I'm just not going to set up all that stuff that guy has. I'm doing it out in the yard, in the sunlight in pondwater. If I started selling them as a business, this guy's setup sounds great! Hope your Tina will be great! Good price! You did good!
Hi tucsonplumeriaz, I don't really know. Mine is not so deep, only about 2 1/2 ft down, and you have to remember that the water lily pot sits on the bottom, with the lily's stems starting at the top of the pot (about 8"). Maybe someone else with a bit more experience would know?
Hmmmm. I wouldn't know. I do think that the lily pads will spread a lot to make a huge circle if there's no space for them to grow upward a little length. It does that in my pond, and I don't like that very much. Can't you buy a larger deeper tub? I saw this one in another forum. I thought it was nice, it would suit your purpose exactly. I think it would be worth the investment. http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6495257
haha! Like that really makes you sad :) I've seen Home Depot carry some hard plastic shell ponds- can't remember if a plain round one was among them. So, do you have a whole bunch of plumeria? (just guessing from your name) I love plumeria- reminds me of Hawaii... Oh, such paradise! What's your name tucsonplumeriaz? By the way, if I'd known my Tina was going to have babies this soon (that I didn't kill, haha), I would have told you and maybe we could have traded. But anyhow... (The vivap lilypad has little green things growing from it!!!! YeaY!!! Have you done that before with your previous Tina?
Good idea Detrick- mine just took off like crazy. It's bursting out with new leaves and buds every day! I'm hoping to get a hydrangea for my baby Tina by the way- so far no luck! Can't wait for your plumeria picks!
I think Lowes has the round ponds for 29.99 reg price with no pump. They have 3 plant shelves on the sides but there is a deeper spot in the middle. Last winter they sold them on clearance here for 20.00 with a pump and fountain.
I have had only one plummie bloom so far. There are also inflos on Cerise, Aztec Gold, and another rainbow type I got from HI. The rest aren't doing anything yet lol.
aaahhh! she does plumeria, too. LOL my aztec gold had inflos. i absolutely love that one - fresh georgia peaches.
okay, i went to home depot and lowes this morning and i ended up buying a tote container from wally world. LOL it's deep enough and 18" across. should i plant tina in a container and sink the container? or should i just plant her straight in the medium of the container holding the water?
Hey you 2, Dragonfly aquatics told me Lotus should only be 6in. deep under the water. That is where I have mine and they're doing good. Water lilys can go 2or 3 ft deep. Mine are 2&1/2 ft. deep and I can leave them all winter and they are safe. Don't have to bring them in for the winter. But I'm in zone 7. Hope that helps. Mekos
I don't really have questions, I've just kind of become curious about whether it would be a great addition to my mini pond. But I hear it takes up a lot of room? My pond is about 3.5 by 5 feet (appx). It has 1 waterlily now, and a dwarf cattail. Do you think I should fill it up more?
Different Lotus are different sizes. Where you got it should have info for that. When I got mine they toldme it needed to float for a few days then put on top of clay mix and keep weighted down untilit started to grow leaves then put plant food tablets in the dirt and keep 6inches under water level. Water lilys can go to 3 feet but my kind of Lotus shouldn't for my area. And they said the lotus didn't like moving water, but mine is, I don't want mosquitos in my pond. Mine has spread so fast and put in so many roots, I'm wxcited. I didn't realize it had spread so much until yesterday when I checked while I was pulling water lilys out to mail off. They also said it would rise above the water shortly and stand tall above it. The blooms would be in the air above the water, where water lilys bloom on the water. How is your baby lily doing? Do you think it is growing a new one? I sent your stuff off in the mail already so you should get it soon. mekos
Not a time limit that I know of, just when you are curious. If yours is in a tub on a deck or porch, I'd check often, if in a pond where it's difficult, probably wouldn't disturb too much. I have 2 ponds, one is deeper than the other so I can overwinter in the deep one and the smaller one I'm just finishing for this very reason. I can get to it better. I have the Mrs. Perry D. Slocum, First Lady and forgot how to spell the other one, all Lotus but my water lilys are Hardy. I don't know if it's going to work, but I'm trying a couple pads of the lotus to see if I can get another one under blue lights and water. I guess I'll find shortly.
see the green dot just to the left of the red line? i am so excited because that's the beginnings of the new lily. woo hoo!!! i noticed it yesterday afternoon. by nighttime it had elongated from the white node.
I bet they will! It will be a great success! I think mine is stumped because I didn't use the blue light. That's also why I didn't send it to you, Janice. I still have hope for it though! Its new tiny 3 millimeter leaves have turned mostly brown, but there is a shimmer of green left. The hardy lily you sent me is doing well!
Since it's cooler here, I put a light bulb in as well for the warmth but the blue lights are what makes it do it's thing much faster. The warmth makes it grow. So far the green pad looks ok but the 2 brown ones smell and looked rotted. The 2 lotus pads I put in look good. May take pictures tomorrow.
I'm trying to root some asparagus fern right now. My plant is not quite big enough to divide, but I am hoping for seeds this season. Is your neighbor patient? haha! I am definitely considering setting up that blue light. Excited to see pictures! I'm also curious about lily/lotus development of regular light bulb versus blue light versus sun light... If I could trade the Florida sun for a while, I would! It's been SO hot here lately! Every time I go out in the yard I am dripping with sweat!
I'm sorry you got all my sun.!?! She probably won't be too patient. I'm just looking for her.Is that the same as foxtail? I never saw one before. An elderly lady gave it to her a few years ago and later the lady died and this past winter the fern did too. So I told her I'd help her find another. I didn't know the proper name and never saw one so wasn't sure even what to look for. I think my lotus is doing something. I see 2 white spots in the center. It's getting down to 44 degrees tonight so got to use light and blue light. Well, I'm going to bed and hope for a little sun tomorrow.I'll let you know what's happening later. Mekos
i picked up a blue light today. it has the starts of two leaves and i think rootlets. the water was 103º. i am adjusting the light so that the water doesn't get so hot. the pad decomposes faster. i am trying a second pad now...
This is my Lotus pad under the blue light. Seems ok. What's so funny is how the stem that was very tiny at the pad where I pinched it off the plant started growing toward the light about 3inches until it came out of the water and dried up on the end. It may not work, but sure is fun to watch. Mekos (Sorry, this the lotus when I picked it. I'll send another after I put it in the blue light.)
Hey! I was thinking, with the lotus, maybe you should add some water so that the tips of the new growth doesn't dry out? Maybe it would just continue growing then. I'm excited about the pictures! My lilypad has been exposed to lack of direct sunshine- it's been raining here now for days! A true downpour! So I hope it will be more balanced the next couple of days- for the plants' sake :)
mekos - that is funny and happened to me. LOL the cut end of the stem raised up out of the water and started drying. i weighted the stem down with a stone. i swear after that the bud started growing rapidly.
here is a pic from today. you can see a big change from 5/17. the new pad doesn't have the fuzzies around the bud. it will be interesting to see how the 2nd one develops.
That's so funny. I just went in and clipped the end of the stem so it would be under water again to see if it would start growing again. If it does, I'll weight it down. I didn't think of that before. DUH!
The light reflects in the water, I can't get a good picture. The Tina pad isn't big, it's just close up. The Lotus is good size but was a small one compared to how big it will be when grown. Maybe I need to have a grown pad to work with??? Oh well, I'm learning.
Mine was surfaced. So maybe it will work. But my Lotus is a very young plant. I just started it about 2 months ago and just put outside in the pond a few weeks ago. It is suppose to come out above the water 2 feet or so soon. It doesn't sit on the water, when it's grown, it will rise above the water. The blooms will be up above the water several feet. It will have quite a large bloom.
The one I have I 'planted' the node in some soil to keep it down. All the pad had rotted away from it for quite some time anyways, and I had trouble finding the nub in the water sometimes! :) I figure this way it also had some way to get some more nutrients. I don't know if it will work, but the spec of green has become a tiny bit bigger! I'll take pics in a day or two, when I get back from visiting my friend and the downpour hopefully will have stopped!
When you spoke of the pad, you meant the one you're trying to propagate right? Well, I put the node in the soil, but only the bottom. That way, the top is exposed to sunlight. I put it in a shallow plastic bin outside where it gets lots of light. But without the lilypad to help it float, the node should naturally move down in the pond/water... so I guess the 'planting' it in soil is more of a gently pressing the node in a tiny container of soil! I don't know about a lotus pad.. It might need different treatment? I currently only have 1 mature water lily, and a baby from you Mekos! I have a tiny pond that HAD tons of mosquito larvae in it. Now I see next to none. Maybe the tadpoles ate them? Way to go! How about you guys?
I did this after it had made tiny leaflets so I knew what was going to be its top! When I left it to float, all the miniscule leaflets turned brown, and I thought I had lost the baby. So I put it in the soil like I said and now it's showing the tiny bit of green. I am so hoping for its recovery!
This is how I was told to do it. Removing the pad promotes growthfaster than if you leave it attached. place it on the bottom and weight it down. Put 75watt grow lamp for 35 gallon tub to heat the water and give light. keep on for 18 hours a day. within 3 days you should have starter leaves forming on the pads and within 6 days should have tiny rootlets. over the next 2 weeks it will grow at an outstanding rate.Then can be potted up and put out in it's pond.
the node is the top of where the stem ends- it's like a fuzzy bit where the plantlet is going to get its start. Seaweed extract- I hadn't hear of that as a way to add nutrients. Sounds very convenient. Hope you have good results with that! :)
oh my friend just wait until you try this on your potted plants. LOL Seaweed contains all major and minor plant nutrients, and all trace elements; alginic acid; vitamins; auxins; at least two gibberellins; and antibiotics...http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/seaweed.html
i don't use it for water gardening. i am only going to do it for the vivap propagation tupperware container.
Well, I think the node is the little button of the pad on the top, but it goes into the stem on the bottom (I think it's not just on one side) Because the little leaflets will come out one side of the node, and the rootlets on the other :)
No, you're fine. The pad will decompose (get all yucky and slimy) and will just kind of fall off and the node will go on growing (if all goes right) This is also why I said that the rotted pads might still work. I took them right off the plant, they were yellowing, and that is how I started the one with the leaflets that I didn't weigh down early enough. When the pad has gone and the node remains, I would try the pushing it in dirt method. I'll let you know before you get to that point whether this strategy has worked with mine. I would just go with what the guy said on the website for now. It seemed to work for him, so lets try for his kind of results! I think I'm picking up a blue light as well!
Aaah! And so I learned another something new! I didn't look closely enough before! So, that is great. Mine looks quite different. Another reason why I think it might be stumped. I should start another leaf. But I've sent so many pads away that I was waiting for Tina to grow some new ones. Truly remarkable how quickly she regenerates new leaves!
Thanks Tucson, but I can't guarantee the pics. I'm leaving to visit a friend tomorrow and I'm not taking pics if it hasn't stopped raining like crazy over here. I am excited to take some, I hope it stops raining long enough for me to do so! :)
WOW. Mine hasn't done that. But that is where I got the info. Maybe my blue light isn't strong enough. It says the vivips grow if the lighting is very high in bluespectrum. The higher blue the better I think.
You guys have better eyes than I do, I just went to chuck this project and low and behold when I picked them up to toss them, there WAS TINY stuff growing!!!!!!!! I can't believe it. Even the LOTUS is doing it. Go figure. WOW! I'm back now, may try another one. I got the fever. WOOHOO!!!! Mekos
AHAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Is there any way to print that out? I have the Mrs. Perry D Slocum, First Lady and Chawan Basu in the lotus. I have several hardy lilies and this one pad that she sent me from her Tina. I tried to print it and it came out blank page. Mekos
I put mine in around the 17th . You're just trying to out do me and flower.HAHAHA I can feel roots on mine too since a day or 2 ago but I cant see real good so it's early for me to see them. Keep up the good work, maybe you can trade me one for my pond one day. LOL
The picture I have of my first article shows the baby with roots potted but the pads are coming out the water and laying on the table, so the water isn't deep.It was potted 10 days after roots in a shallow square pan (looks like maybe 5 inches deep and dirt in the bottom with maybe 2inches of water above dirt.
Hey, guys! I'm back! I was so scared you had given up on that pad, Mekos! I saw your post only now! It just takes time! And I AM a beginner- that's my very first (and only) try at a pad. It's been like that like forever, weeks. So I don't know if anything is going to happen. I'm going to lower the water level, and hope that it will stop RAINING constantly and give us some sun alternated with rain so water can heat up. I'm so glad that rootlets/plantforming is starting to happen with you two!!! Jippeee! Good going!!
Hey welcome back! How is yours doing? I think mine is going to make it. The green pad is still green and I touched the center ever so lightly and felt a bump. so I'm not touching it again. I ordered a green tropical today and another lotus(red one this time) .It will be here in a week or so. we'll try that one too.I can't wait! I'm excited!
If only I could, Tucson! And good going, Mekos- don't give up! And if mine grows, and your Tina babies don't take off, then you can have the one I am growing. Exciting that you got those new ones!!!!! Wow! I just added a whole bunch of stuff to my wishlist, including some lotus and some nightblooming tropical waterlily. I did some research as to which ones were dwarf species. Looking forward to potentially swapping with the both of you sometime in the future! :)
Flower, Can you send that link again for Vviparous Waterlilies by Kit Knotts? You sent it to me in my d-mail but can you put it here? I haven't learned to do that cut and paste stuff. I tried a couple things up but it didn't work. That one can be printed out. Thanks
There is my problem. It needs more blue light. I knew the more blue light the faster it would develope butI already had 2 small bulbs on an old fish tank for the plants so I just used them. 1 is 20 and 1 is 15watts. So mine is going slower. I'm going to get a bigger light. Talk later.
I've been doing the vivap outdoors in full sun on a table. I started a few pads of Panama Pacific tropical dayblooming waterlily a week and a half ago or so. Both of the pads are badly rotted away now but the nodes are producing offshoots now. They are in a dishpan with prob about 4 inches of water above the top. They started growing better once we got a ton of rain lol.
It looks like you're doing really good! How exciting! Mine did well up untill right about where your bigger one is, but since it was just the node left, and it was floating, I think it stopped growing. I'm trying to convince it to start again. I think they do better if they are below the water surface. Here's a link to the page that has helped me; http://www.victoria-adventure.org/waterlilies_images/sean_vivips/page1.html
Can't wait to see your progress!
way to go angel! looks like everyone is seeing some good growth.
i definitely keep mine under water here in arizona. they wouldn't stand a chance in our lack of humidity.
my second vivap has overtaken the first one. this one has put out some good roots and was not fuzzy like the first one. hmmm...i wonder if the ones w/o the fuzzies are better. i still don't see any roots on the one that has fuzzies. plus, it seems to have stalled for now. i'll keep an eye or two on it. LOL
I continue to use the light- much more consistent (rain and cloudy weather here lately)- the new leaf is showing growth! the 'stumped' bud from before, however, seems stuck in whatever it's doing right now. Leaves look greener, but are not growing...
flower - it's all tina! : ) i am just sitting there watching... the blue light is close to the water and the temp is 90+ degrees. light on from 6a - 12a.
the first one i started has stalled. you can see that #1 look just about the same in both pics. i think that it's because i has not pushed out roots. i wonder if it's because it started out with fuzzies.
I hope mine will do as well. I can't stop myself from constantly going to check on them! I put some out in the sunlight as well. So I now have 2 different batches. My stumped one also has not pushed out roots as far as I can tell. The one that's doing well right now started with fuzzies. I just think that the ones without fuzzies might be one step ahead- they're already in the plantmaking stage?
i have pads that have fuzzy nodes and just a solid node. i have only done one of each so far. it looks like the non-fuzzie node pushes out roots right away. i will have to test this out though. sounds like you're having luck with the fuzzies though.
Those look really good tucson!
Mine look like they are growing steady but slowly lol. I'm excited because the mother plant of Panama Pacific has a flower bud opening today and another one coming up. I was afraid that taking some of the leaves off for vivap might delay its flowering- guess not!
My red flare also has 2 buds that look like they might open tonight. Best of all , all my watergarden barrels are full of tiny tadpoles, I think they are from the green treefrogs I've seen sitting on the lily pads. Yippee!
congrats on the lily bud and tadpoles. never a dull moment around the watering hole. : )
i put #2 outside in the lotus pan. its first pad broke the water's surface and started drying out from the light. i figured since it has roots that i can now swim with the big kids. the water is cooler but i think this will be better for it at this point to get used to the sunlight.
i started another vivap today. it the non-fuzzy node. well, let's see what happens.