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bookreader451
Troy, NY
(Zone 5b)

May 14, 2009
2:24 AM

Post #6545784

I am trying once again but this time indoors. I just scattered some seeds in jiffy peat cups tonight as nothing I tried outside has worked. I have them on the soil under my grow lights and I pray this time I get something.

All the poppies I buy and plant do just fine but I can't seem to get them to grow if I plant them outside.

Any advice would be appreciated.

virginbred
Edisto Island, SC
(Zone 8b)

May 15, 2009
4:31 AM

Post #6550756

i tried for 2 years before i got mine to grow..for your zone i hear you can sow them in the snow...for my zone i sowed them xmas eve on bare ground...kept watered and let them go...since you have not been having luck with your seeds i'd try the grocery store variety...i did...mccormicks worked for me...at least now i know i can grow them...a cheap way to experiment...here is my batch...

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 15, 2009
9:21 AM

Post #6551012

I love the somniferums too.
My perennial poppie seed starting was a bust.
I'll buy plants from mow on
bookreader451
Troy, NY
(Zone 5b)

May 15, 2009
9:59 AM

Post #6551046

I will have to try winter sewing this year. I can't believe how lovely your poppies are.

Should I wait for snow cover or seed when I winterize my roses and hydrangea?
virginbred
Edisto Island, SC
(Zone 8b)

May 15, 2009
12:27 PM

Post #6551360

i don't know about your zone planting time but i've found so much information on the internet...here on daves and google...all i know is don't give up...prepare your ground do your research for your area and enjoy your poppies!!! 10 years ago i had planted some california poppies on the far side of my pond...and i got nothing...2 years later i was looking out my kitchen window and saw this orange spot just glowing on the other side of my pond...got my binoculars out and looked and low and behold!!! poppies!!! they never came back but were beautiful that one season...
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

May 16, 2009
10:15 AM

Post #6555367

Last year I started them in seed starter, moved them up to peat pots. Planted them and in all places under the roof eve and that was a dumb thing to do. So I moved them and they all survived but did not flower. This year they are up and growing strong.

This year I started a ton of them. I use seed starter. Put them in a tray and cover them very lightly. I planted them in pots individually. That was a task as the roots are very thin and tender. All I could think of was a spider web thread. I will guess I had 80% success transplanting them.

1st pic is with them in the seed starter. In the back I planted them in 2" peat pots.

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schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

May 16, 2009
10:19 AM

Post #6555375

My guess is the dirt you use, the depth your sowing them and enough moisture. Yes I do have a small green house, but I dont think it would matter where I did it. I have lavender grape, oriental reds and persian blue. Some I planted in 3" plastic pots.

edited to say: The best success I have germinating any seed is to prepare the dirt and bring it in the house and use the kitchen sink sprayer. It fluffs up the dirt more than a blasting hose or pouring water over the dirt.

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virginbred
Edisto Island, SC
(Zone 8b)

May 16, 2009
2:55 PM

Post #6556019

lady!!! look at you! those look great!! did you use a light with those while germinating or a heat mat? i wonder if your's are doing so well because of your cooler zone than mine...i would love to be able to start and then plant where i want to and for them to come up year after year...the purple i have is nice but i would love more vivid color...do you have any pics of your blues? very impressive pics...thanks for posting...virginia
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

May 16, 2009
9:44 PM

Post #6557216

No light and no heating mat. They were germinated in the green house and the temp is set at 60 at nigh. During the day I pull the shade cover on the GH when it hits 80 degress.

I think it is the germination soil. It is very light and fluffy seed starting soil. Also I have the covers that go on the seed germinating trays - you know it get humid and sweats.

I am almost betting I can take a meat loaf pan with the soil and cover it with cling wrap and get them to germinate in my home. I germinated picante peppers in a coffee cup this year ( I only had 10 seeds so did not want to use a whole tray). Again I think it is the light and fluffy seed starting soil, humidity and a south window.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 16, 2009
9:58 PM

Post #6557236

Poppies need to be surface sown without heat. I'm jealous of all your beautiful pictures. It gets so hot in Texas that I can't grow all these beautiful types of poppies. I WS some this year and they were doing great in their containers until it got down to 27* in early April. Every blessed one died. I will live vicariously through all of your pictures.
Lisa
bookreader451
Troy, NY
(Zone 5b)

May 16, 2009
11:21 PM

Post #6557463

I started some in seed mix 2 days ago. I have them down in the basement and I am hoping I will get any genrmination. I can't believe how great your seedlings look. I am still going to wintersew and hopefully I will have lots of poppies next year.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 16, 2009
11:33 PM

Post #6557497

Book- make sure that they get light it is my understanding that is what makes them germinate.
virginbred
Edisto Island, SC
(Zone 8b)

May 17, 2009
3:32 AM

Post #6558487

lisa...i'm the same zone as you...have you tried direct sowing at xmas? worked for me...i know my summer temps will be way to hot for them...but mine should be done by then...course it's been hot as hades for the past couple of weeks here in south carolina...virginia
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

May 17, 2009
8:47 AM

Post #6558974

This conversation is making me very curious. I am going to go buy some seeds at WW or HD or where ever I can get some.

I am will try different things. Put some in the GH with a cover, without a cover. Cover with dirt and without dirt.

In the house with a cover and with out a cover. On a heating mat. I will put some in a cup, a dish and plant them every which way except upside down (kidding).

Bookreader we are almost in the same zone and I will see if I can get you going in the right direction. Maybe what your sowing now will germinate!

Sherrie

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 17, 2009
9:00 AM

Post #6558978

Mine were sown in March on the surface of seed starter mix ,in 3inch pots.
I brought them into the house in April and they sprouted.
They need a cold period for starting and no light necessarily.
Mine were in a bright room ,no direct sunlight.
I put them into the ground a week ago and none are doing well except Princess louisa.
All are perennials.
I am of an age where I dont want to wait five years for the plants to mature, so I bought sale plants from GC and they will bloom next year.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

May 17, 2009
9:09 AM

Post #6558982

What do you mean by a cold period? Mine never got under 60.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 17, 2009
9:19 AM

Post #6558991

Guess it really doesnt matter then. They germinate no matter what.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

May 17, 2009
9:49 AM

Post #6559011

Bookreader is evidently having difficulty tyring to get some germinated. You and I are not having a problem up here in the North East. I am no poppy expert by no means. I didnt do anything different with the seeds that I would do with a tomatoe, cuke, or hollyhock seed.

Still I am willing to try different methods to see whats hot and whats not. I will keep a poppy log on everything I do. We will see what happens.

Sherrie

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 17, 2009
9:50 AM

Post #6559014

same here.
bookreader451
Troy, NY
(Zone 5b)

May 17, 2009
11:16 AM

Post #6559098

I have a jar of seeds I just got at penzeys I think I will scatter half of it on the area I want poppies. I will save the other half for winter sewing.

See what happens with the basement starts (which are under lights).

Something has to work.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 17, 2009
5:04 PM

Post #6560332

Virgina-I think that I may be in zone 8a not that,that should really matter. Anyway, this is the first year I have not had poppies. I direct sowed corn poppies and Ca. poppies at various times through out the Fall and winter. I make seedballs so I always have extra seeds that end up everywhere. But no poppies anywere, maybe they will germinate next year. The ones that I WS I did in early Feb. (too late) and my seed supplier said that the plants were not established enough to with stand the wild fluxuations in temps. Where I live has its own microclimate we can get well below freezing while just a few miles away it is above freezing. Anyway maybe next year. meanwhile I will enjoy all your pictures.
Lisa
virginbred
Edisto Island, SC
(Zone 8b)

May 17, 2009
8:06 PM

Post #6561059

my california poppies came up the 2nd year...so maybe you'll have luck after all...
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

May 17, 2009
10:59 PM

Post #6561850

I am not totally smart when it comes to poppies. Bookreader you got your seeds from penzeys and I hope you get something started. Is penzeys seeds good for starting plants? Maybe try something different? Send me or someone else some seeds to see if they can get them going. Sorry poppy people. I am new into poppies but try to help anyone if I can - I will probably be crying for help! I am new to flowers as last year and really into them this year.
bookreader451
Troy, NY
(Zone 5b)

May 18, 2009
12:12 AM

Post #6562155

I am using the advice of Virginbred and using poopyseeds meant for consumption. Penzey's is a spice store and I have a jar of Holland whole blue poppy seeds. My husband is not a big fan of poppyseed anything so I guess I can put them to better use on the ground.

I have nothing to lose by trying.

I am bound and determined to get poppies from seed!

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virginbred
Edisto Island, SC
(Zone 8b)

May 18, 2009
2:55 AM

Post #6562976

that a girl book!!! if at first you don't succeed try try again! i had several grocery store poppy seed container and did test batches with all...i found the newest had best results...some were several years old...those had a rancid smell to them but i tried anyway...keep us posted with your results and colors! virginia
bookreader451
Troy, NY
(Zone 5b)

May 19, 2009
10:37 AM

Post #6568988

I have tiny spots of green in my basement flat. YEAH!!!

If I can get them a little bigger and out into the ground I will have poppies this season!

I put an entire 8oz jar in the back area on the rise in my yard so I should get at least something there too (I hope)

I am really excited about the basement though that is where I have the Lauren's grape etc. If I can just get one to grow and reseed I will consider it a sucess.

Keeping my fingers crossed for now!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

May 19, 2009
11:02 AM

Post #6569026

Cool, Cool, Cool ! I have babies "IF" I see one flower I will be happy.

taters55

taters55
(Linda Kay) Del Rio, TX
(Zone 9a)

May 24, 2009
2:42 PM

Post #6590819

I am new to growing poppies, and I have started some several times, and I can get them to sprout, but when they get to be about an inch tall, they all just wilt,and die? What am I doing wrong?

Linda Kay
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 24, 2009
6:48 PM

Post #6591584

Taters-when are you sowing your seeds?
I actually have what I believe to be a poppy seedling. I will post a picture if/when it blooms. After all the seeds I through out I should get at least one.
Lisa

taters55

taters55
(Linda Kay) Del Rio, TX
(Zone 9a)

May 24, 2009
9:30 PM

Post #6592101

I have tried three seperate times, in the past three months, and they all get to about an inch high, then they just wilt, and die.
LK
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 25, 2009
1:08 AM

Post #6592856

Poppies are cool weather plants. I think in your area they need to be surface sown in the fall. As soon as the heat hits they keel over. What kind of poppies are you trying to grow.
Lisa

taters55

taters55
(Linda Kay) Del Rio, TX
(Zone 9a)

May 25, 2009
3:05 PM

Post #6594924

I don't know. I got a bunch of poppy seeds from someone on ebay, and all three times they get to be about an inch tall, then fall over. I will wait till this fall, and try some then.
Thanks for all the info.

LK
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 26, 2009
12:49 AM

Post #6597460

Taters-You may want to mark it on your calendar, that's what I had to do at first. It was hard for me to remember that if I wanted wildflowers and poppies in the spring that I had to direct, surface sow them in the fall. Also, some of the types that the people up North grow will not grow well here. I've had good luck with Shirley, Flanders, and CA poppies which are annuals and only OK luck with the orientals.
Good Luck,
Lisa

taters55

taters55
(Linda Kay) Del Rio, TX
(Zone 9a)

May 26, 2009
1:44 PM

Post #6599364

That sounds good. I will be on the look out for some of the hardier ones.
Thanks
GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
(Zone 6a)

May 31, 2009
7:04 AM

Post #6620834

My poppies didn't start inside either. I am saving the rest of the packages to winter sew. I read that poppy seedlings didn't like their roots disturbed. You may want to be careful when transplanting them.
darlindeb
Claremore, OK

June 4, 2009
2:48 AM

Post #6639193

I never had any luck until I started broadcasting them on the snow. I try to save some seed and trudge out and sprinkle them where I want them. I try to make sure the soil is cleared of leaves etc before it snows.

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darlindeb
Claremore, OK

June 4, 2009
2:57 AM

Post #6639252

This is what one poppy area looks like now. It's funny once you get them going and let the seed ripen it seems like they show up in funny odd places. I live in the country and I'll be looking around and there is the odd poppy.

I've tried transplanting some; however, mine have never gotten nearly as big as the direct sown. Also, if they come up too thick they will bloom but be dinky and short.

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taters55

taters55
(Linda Kay) Del Rio, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 4, 2009
3:09 AM

Post #6639330

Those are so pretty! We don't get snow here, but we do get some cold frosty nights, so this winter, I will sprink some more seeds.
Thanks for the info.

LK
bookreader451
Troy, NY
(Zone 5b)

June 4, 2009
10:14 AM

Post #6639903

They are really beautiful. I have tiny ones I started inside and tiny seedlings where I sprinkled outside. I am hoping for at least a couple of blooms this year.
darlindeb
Claremore, OK

June 4, 2009
12:06 PM

Post #6640117

Taters55 you might try this as an experiment. Dump a bunch of ice on the ground at night and sprinkle some seed on top of it. Then have another area you sprinkle without ice. I've also heard of people storing their seed in the freezer. I don't know if they will grow that far south where you are.

I know someone in Florida at about zone 8 got some to bloom.

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schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

June 4, 2009
3:02 PM

Post #6640933

My 1st one! Semi Dwarf OP

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Teresa_B
Saint Louis, MO

June 4, 2009
7:38 PM

Post #6642002

From my experience, annual poppies must be direct sown and not started in pots and transplanted as they have a long tap root which does not survive the transplanting. They germinate much better in cool weather. And, sowing in Autumn works just like in January.

Perennial poppies are different. They are better off being sown in peat pots or seed starter and transplanted out as soon as they have two leaves. Cooler weather is better. I wintersowed mine in an aluminum cake pan with a clear plastic lid and I think all germinated!

I have had big luck this year with the perennial Oriental poppies in the flower bed as I finally have light loose, fluffy soil. I purchased these plants last year. I cannot believe the difference and how they take off. I also have read that starting the perennial poppies from seed takes awhile for them to develop some size and that using root cuttings is a faster method.

If Oriental poppies are happy, they are almost impossible to get rid of as they have roots everywhere! And, in the summer when they die back, do not water them. They are accustomed to very long, droughty summers in China and will rot with too much water while they are dormant.

Teresa
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 4, 2009
7:47 PM

Post #6642033

OK Somebody play Taps. My one poppy seedling died it got too hot. I lost the ones I winter sowed in Feb. because it got too cold. I have always had at least a few poppies but not this year. I think the late freeze at the beginning of April, down to 27* may have killed these. I might have better luck if I had snow to sprinkle my poppy seeds on!
Taters-you could try the ice thing to get the poppies to germinate but I think it would be too hot for them to survive this late in the season
Maybe next year I will have tons of poppies because there must be tons of seeds out there that have not germinated!
Lisa

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