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Those are beautiful! Do they come true from seeds? I've been growing some Japanese Morning Glories called "Star of India" and "Wind in the Pines." I really enjoyed them last year. Since I am always at work in the mornings, I'd pick buds and put them in a small container of water. They opened up everyday while I was at work. They're awesome!
These are tricky because of the way they are annuals propogated through seeds. I`m pretty sure the spots will be true from seeds,the color could turn out another dusky purple with yellow or even chocolate speckled and God only knows until I begin to work with it what will turn up. I have to gather seeds and grow again to see what happens. Then it`s more observing and pictures... and maybe by the 4th ot 5 th generation and 2-3 years some acceptable stability could possibly be found and enough selection to have chosen the best examples of the look desired. I think that is why it is fun to work with these. Karen
Cool. You can root cuttings of these though. Would it help to have some just in case the original dies? You could also use the cuttings to back cross and it would give you more time if you kept the original going?
Your yellow speckled flower reminded me of some reading I did in the past about how they tried to create a yellow flowered JMG from those yellowish tinted backgrounds seen in the speckled phenotype. Yours looks very yellow!
I like your progress in petaloid large flowers also! - Arlan
These aren`t new cultivars. They are experimental. Arlan the speckled flowers show some with more and less speckles. I imagine the Japanese chose the yellow background and then began to select for fewer spots?
You can make your own too. This isn`t some mysterious thing only experts or only certain people can do.
Here`s another hybrid I did nick named Light Blue Speckly. I`m sure Snow Cloud or something like that would seem more glamorous but I don`t know if it will produce consistent seeds until I test grow it.
The First Frost series is beautiful. What are the four types?
Like I have said before I`m positive I have zero chance of coming up with something the Japanese don`t have already. I just don`t have a way to snag the seeds that easily and I`m stuck here in America. I think mine are just as "real" as theirs though because I`m using the same plants. Also, I`m doing this for fun. This one is a F2 selection from a cross with fujishibori x kikyo ice. Kikyo Ice is a F2 selection from youjiro x double blue kikyo.
So, that is the pedigree. These could potentially throw kikyo star shaped flowers,variegated leaves,light lime green leaves and more or less spots to name a few possibilities.
The first thing I wanted to know is if I mess it up totally... would the spots come back? Yes, the spots come back about 1 in every 10 of the F2. Now I want the fertility and cold hardiness of the mother vine being a youjiro and the spots comes from the Fujishibori. All that trouble just for kicks. yes! :)
I think the bars of color are not predictable. They might be something spontaneous.
These two are brothers from the same litter. These two are from the Fujishibori x double blue F2 and has potential to throw doubles.
More pretty ones showing me and my plant tag. I did this myself just for fun and also to study the genetics and answer questions for myself. It is not rocket science. This is also a way to create new colors and forms for interest in the garden. This is a hobby.
That 1/2 and 1/2 flower is one of the speckled mix that was gathered from what was supposed to be Fujishibori. The pink speckled ones were not expected so it is obviously a speckled mix. Most all of the purple and red specked ones can do this. I suppose you could mark the vine and grow again to see if it will happen again. I have seen vines sport a different color stem and go completely divided color on just one stem while the rest of the vine was normal speckled. This is a phenomenon seen in the large flowered morning glories(however these flowers seemed small to be large flower) and it is spontaneous and occurs when least suspected sometimes. Sometimes a purple large flower will have a bar of blue.
You can say that again. Now I wonder if that broken color is due to a virus, rather than a "gene". I know that the striped tulips are simply suffering from a virus. And the leaves on that morning glory look like they have some serious kind of virus. I guess, when it comes to morning glories, one person's defect is another person's "feature". I have seen a lot of Japanese Morning Glories that I like but, to me, a lot of them just look like they have something wrong with them.
I doubt the broken color is a virus. It appears in nearly all the large flowered I have seen at some point or another and the plants are apparently very healthy,productive and beautiful. My specklys are a result of crosses with large flowered varieties and so the occasional broken color will be seen and it is genetic but just not predictable in a sense that one can produce it reliably. This is normal and nothing to worry about.
The thing is when a person sees a strip of blue in a purple flower which is very.very common it isn`t so noticable but with a strip of background color revealed in a speckled flower that also has decolored crest and a gene for white ray and a white margin it gets more attention. The variegation in japanese morning glories is genetic also.
Karen, you are getting some nice results with your speckled crosses! From what I've read, the speckled gene is mutable and unstable which is what you seem to be witnessing. I have not seen this in mine. The flecked gene found in the "Dai" reverse tube strain has this same mutable characteristic.
It is really interesting seeing the background patterns for the flowers in the unspeckled sectors. - Arlan
I said " broken color ", but I could also say " dual personality ". But in any case it's a " new wave" .
Karen I suppose by simple selection of seeds you can come to increase the percentage of flowers of this type.
Ideally, a cultivar which has 25% of flower Murasaki 25% of dotted and 50% of broken color.
The cultivar : Gray Lady is also a grey next to white.
ZM ,yes it is really the gene producing sheets such a leaf. In Japan there are people fanatic of this type of plant. Maybe after some years of practice in the world of JMG, I will end up enjoying these UFO.
Dany, You know I noticed the little specklys are the ones with the most barring of the color. I`m growing Fujishibori and Shikanoko simultaneously and I have yet to see the barring to this degree in those.
And the little specklys is one I got from Gourd and had the white around the margin. I used it in my crosses the get the yellowish dusky speckled one in the other thread. I Might be on the something and time will tell. Time always will give some kid of answers. Dany you have the speckled mix that came from this flower so you may soon be enjoying the markings you like! These vines are full of surprises and provide years of endless amusement no doubt.
Arlan, Yes, the speckles are not tied down to a cut and dry combination. The speckles appear anywhere from densely packed to freckles to only One spot..hmmm? Did I say endless amusement? Yes!
Sort of changing gears here on another topic: I have some divided color leaf light green/dark green on another set of plants and the divided color on the flowers and white spots have seemingly disappeared...or I don`t know how to make it come back. Maybe, I`ll try a cross with the divided color specklys and the solid purple divided color light/dark green leaf plant.
ZM, Love your zinnias! I have a few cactus mix growing right now inspired by your posts.
Thanks Dolly. Now I`m trying to encourage seeds from that one to test it out. That one may carry for chocolate speckles but I will not know until later. I have to get up early to see the yellow color because it starts to fade as soon as the sun hits it. It also seems to be a delicate flower needing part shade. Open sun gives it a "fried egg" appearance around the edges. That might be expected from the flower not having normal pigments but if it is grown in a spot that isn`t too hot or sunny it in beautiful. It is a good thing it is somewhat shade tolerant. Morning sun and afternoon shade seems to work well.
Today I got a blue speckled kikyo in the kikyo double x kikyo ten ten F2 . I love it. This proves to me that different colors and shapes can be found by hybridizing the morning glory. I took two different very easily obtainable morning glories that I bought on ebay for like 5 dollars and worked with them to get some different looking ones I can grow,share and trade with my friends.
Even in Japan on the internet I have never seen such a Kikyosaki .
But how much time to stabilize the cultivar !
Now ,at the moment, I make a lot of hybrid too but you need more than one live to continue the process until its end.
It takes about 2 -3 years. There are some more easily worked with to stabilize than others. The kikyo blue speckled one has solid leaves. The pedigree shows there are pink and variegated leaves in the ancestry so I already know pretty much what I will see when I self that flower and do another grow out to find it again. Kikyos don`t make round flowers and speckles seem to breed true to self so that means I`ll pretty much see all kikyos and speckled patterns. I will also see other hidden genes like variegation,lime green leaves, lighter or darker pink, blue or purple. I will simply remove all the flowers in the grow out that don`t conform.
On the other hand, the round flowers will be more tricky to deal with. They can throw kikyos. So, I already know when I self these beautiful round flowers with double centers that a small portion may throw back to kikyo. There will be a few tiny kikyos seen mixed in there that I will remove and go on to the next generation. There will be less and less cull flowers in each generation.
It is also important to tie blooms on plants being worked with for stabilizing that are grown in the open garden. The bees can mix pollen off the large flower onto the kikyo and the result will be plain round flowers appearing. Those can be culled out because they are pretty easy to recognize early but to save my growing space I tie blooms on the important ones.
As far as seeds sharing I either share the seed as a hybrid mixture to let people know the nature of the seeds or chose and nail down a certain set of characteristics I want to see and go through the process of growing selfed seeds for the next 5 generations or 2-3 years of work to narrow things down to a certain set of characteristics. There are some varieties I wait about sharing because I need all the seeds I can find to literally "find it again". Those seeds that I have to grow 100 of them to find 7-10 of what I need would not be good for trading.iykwim
Even cultivars out of the package from Japan need to be cared for to keep them looking right. There are rare patterns like "ray flow" that simply are not stable genes and will occur randomly. So in the youjiros it is common for unusual patterns like "ray flow" to appear but I already know not to get too exited and pluck the seeds to advertise without testing them first. The Sazanami has 4 forms solid and blizzard blue and solid and blizzard lavender. Right now I`m trying to see if it is possible to get seeds that will breed true for the blue blizzard Sazanami. I`m still culling the solid flowers that show up on occasion in size able grow outs. I`m still learning but I know enough to enjoy this as a hobby. Each year I`ll learn more facts about these flowers I like to grow.
You need a big computer or to have a memory like an elephant's .
For hybridizing I hope I have enought imagination. That's why it's important to grow a lot of different type to have a choice.
Today I've got the first Black King bloom , but the female side is good quality the male side totaly brown so I think unfertil .
I have rooted some of the double ipomoea purpureas to get a batch of seeds from a certain color I wanted and that worked very well. Now, I need to go get a little of cutting of the yellow dusky speckled ipomoea nil and just try it Right Now LOL!!! I have been so busy with garden maintenance it gets crazy sometimes.
My memory is pretty much visual. I know what I saw and what morning I saw it pretty much from now until last year. I work on connecting the codes I give them with my very dependable visual image in my mind. The codes help me find my seeds in storage and if I`m successful making the connection of the code name and what I saw in the garden I`m doing pretty good. I get to know my flowers like they are people. I never forget a face. Asagao means morning face.
The Black King you sent to me is producing good pollen but not on every morning. The heat of summer can wipe out the pollen production and while I think genetics does play a role however the heat in June and July is brutal to even the most productive vine. Extremes of temperatures whether below 60 degrees and above 85 will impact fertility or it sure seems like it in my garden. Early spring and late fall are times when pods set easily and mid summer and late fall the pods don`t set very well though they never go completely seedless forever as long as I hunt for the pollen and spread the pollen by hand.
Check the flowers nearest the bottom of the plant shaded under the leaves and you often can find at least one one full of good pollen. If the plant has no pollen to go to selfing then I cut them all off to cut back on the cross pollination unless I want to do a cross. Always mark your crosses with a different color yarn so they will not get mixed with your selfed pods. The Black King fertility seems similar to the Fujishibori so that means not a awful lot of pods but you will get seeds if you take a little time each morning to hunt for pollen and hand pollinate.
About your Black King Cross: Is that youjiro Maisugata ? I notice the solid leaves. I love the "points" on the edges and that is a feature I really think is cool. The throat color is nice!!! Now if you cross those you might want to decide do you want the spokes or not? If your Maisugata has only one gene for white ray you will get both solid,white margined,and possible some solid blooms from that cross and the corolla color and solid green will match more closely to the Maisugata parent. You need to pick the F1 that suits you best to get your F2 seeds. Then you`ll get a Lot of variations that will blow your mind for sure. The hard part is deciding what one look do you want to work for. They can all be so awesome it is tough to chose sometimes. :)
F1 generation can be cross again with Black King to maintain large black flowers perhaps with the " point ".
But we are in 2011 for the result !
It is a pity that there is no program that could make a simulation ? ! LOL.
Thanks for all the email and compliments. I`m amazed at the interest people have in these flowers!
I bred these myself and you can do it too. There is no expert requirement just a lot of hard work and maybe some discipline and organizational skills. This one is a speckled one with lime green variegated tri lobe leaves.
You've got talent friend!!! Why don't you pass on some of that talent to me for my brugmansia crosses ;) I get my seed pods growing good and all of a sudden they drop off. Maybe the heat causing the drop off.
I'd like to say I'm very proud of all your hard work. Your right on top of the list for M.G. hybridizers in the U.S., and maybe even worldwide. Your M.G.'s certainly have a sought after, different look that is sure to become top dollar sellers. Congrats!!!
Is this one of the M.G.'s you gave me? Foliage is variegated.
Oh yeah about the brugs. I`m not experienced with brugs but it is possible the heat is stalling your progress. I do know the heat causes pods to drop off with the JMG and my tomatos just this week started to set fruit.