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Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

May 21, 2009
09:33 PM

Post #6580995

I posted this someplace else, but here it is again---

EM, microbes, actually are the providers of food to plants. Plants don't eat nitrogen, potash, potassium, these are eaten by microbes, and microbe's poop is plant food.

If soil is fertilized with the 10-10-10 or whatever numbers, the microbes, little boogies, have a super meal, over populate, and then all starve and die. Leaving the soil poorer.

Do I have this right?

Mm
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI

May 21, 2009
09:46 PM

Post #6581089

Soil bacteria and mycorrhizae are destroyed by too much chemical fertilizer; even too much organic fertilizer.
Ureas or ammonia and other combined nitrogens are the most toxic, They destroy Nitrosomonas, Nitrobacter, and other bacteria which convert ammonias into usable plant nitrogen.

Dusting your garden with granular fertilizer, and pouring on too much fish emulsion, both can kill beneficial bacteria and fungi. It is best to fertilize lightly, and more often, than put large doses of ferts in your garden once in awhile.
Braveheartsmom
Kihei, HI
(Zone 11)

May 21, 2009
10:43 PM

Post #6581389

Then it would seem that foliar feeding is the better way to fertilize if you have plants that you have to fertilize often, such as Brugmansia?

Anyone foliar fed with seaweed or fish extract, if so, how much, how often, and does it burn the leaves?

Now I wonder if I am spending all my time herding microbes (EMI) only to be killing them off unknowingly! :-)

Metrosideros
Keaau, HI

May 22, 2009
01:22 AM

Post #6581875

Hi Jenn, to foliar feed your plants in Kihei with your ocean organics; mix one teaspoon per gallon of water (a third of the recommended amount in the directions) of fish emulsion or liquid seaweed, and dump it all over the plant, getting everything wet (not flowers). Do so once a week! This will feed the plant and the microbes; it will not burn the leaves or soil.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

May 23, 2009
06:23 AM

Post #6586211

I do the same, and as Dave says, I also do less than the recommended amount. It's not only good foliar feeding, but it helps prevent some pests, and deters others. In fact I wrote a blog about this earlier this month in the Houston Chronicle. I learn a little bit more each time I dig for more info!

Here's the blog,
Pestilence Control Patrol
http://www.chron.com/commons/persona.html?newspaperUserId=rj...
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

May 23, 2009
07:19 AM

Post #6586256

Foliar feed at sunset, or sunrise, because their pores are more open then.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

May 23, 2009
08:03 AM

Post #6586363

that's a new one to add to the seaweed diaries! thanks. Is there a reason that they are?
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

May 23, 2009
10:05 AM

Post #6586720

??? I've just always read that plant's leaves' pores open at night, and close during the day. I'll google to see if I can find something.

And I think I remember that when plants sleep, they give off CO2, as opposed to O2 during the day.
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

May 23, 2009
10:28 AM

Post #6586805

Good heavens!

http://www.geocities.com/~marylois/archiv14.html

Or maybe I have it backwards...

http://books.google.co.vi/books?id=gA2xfP8hHlEC&pg=PA57&lpg=...

This one says: Many species of plants open the stomata during the day" All of the stuff I've just read says stomata close with water stress, dry, and also close with deficient potassium.

http://books.google.co.vi/books?id=atZq3w6pOvQC&pg=PA21&lpg=...

How'zzat for a google? I need to go gaze at some clouds going by---
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

May 23, 2009
10:47 AM

Post #6586882

lol, yes ..I fall down the internet rabbit hole all the time, and after a good amount of spent time, it seems like you end up where you started!
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

May 23, 2009
03:12 PM

Post #6587793

Anyway, upon consideration of that I read, seems when a plant is metabolizing, it's pores are open. Asleep, stressed, or hibernating, they're closed. Duh! Or something like that.
Braveheartsmom
Kihei, HI
(Zone 11)

May 24, 2009
12:14 PM

Post #6591111

Thanks Dave :-). and Randy :-)

I am going to spray very early in the mornings to see if I can catch the little devils with their pores open!
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX

May 30, 2009
04:12 PM

Post #6618685

I've had a hard time finding sea weed extract, or liquid kelp. Any hints on where to find that?
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI

May 30, 2009
04:53 PM

Post #6618810

Try googling the products (such as "Maxicrop") and inquire as to where their local distributors are located.
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX

May 30, 2009
09:09 PM

Post #6619682

Thanks, will do.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

May 31, 2009
04:59 PM

Post #6623100

I believe they are in Washington State right outstide of Seattle accross the floating bridges
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX

June 12, 2009
09:16 PM

Post #6680191

I ended up buying some from Amazon.com. I'm always surprised at what I CAN'T find in Houston.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 14, 2009
03:26 PM

Post #6686724

Go to Southwest Fertilizer next time..its in SW Houston --I always find everything there.
http://davesgarden.com/products/go/view/2671/
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX

June 15, 2009
11:01 AM

Post #6690124

Thanks, I will do that. Valuable information.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 15, 2009
04:23 PM

Post #6691751

glad I can help..they are wonderful. They have the best service I've seen anywhere!

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