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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:20 PM

Post #6595506

I have some new seedling with very different foliage on them, has this happened to anyone else and if so do they bloom normally.

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:22 PM

Post #6595512

Here is a close-up of the leaf.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:24 PM

Post #6595521

Here is another seedling with different foliage.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:26 PM

Post #6595529

Close-up of the leaf.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:28 PM

Post #6595538

Still another seedling.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:29 PM

Post #6595554

Close-up.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:33 PM

Post #6595645

Here is one that the foliage turn to a reddish-brown color.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:34 PM

Post #6595659

Here is a close-up of it.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:39 PM

Post #6595679

Here is another with both strange shape and color.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:42 PM

Post #6595688

Close-up of this one.

Wilfred

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AuntAnne
College Station, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 25, 2009
5:43 PM

Post #6595689

Are these tropical or hardy hibs?
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:44 PM

Post #6595695

This one looks like a maple tree leaf.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:48 PM

Post #6595714

Close-up.

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:52 PM

Post #6595730

They are all tropical hibs seedling. Hardy hibs don't do well on the island for some reason I don't know. I tried the hardy and they all died.

Wilfred
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
5:54 PM

Post #6595739

Here is another one.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
6:00 PM

Post #6595766

Close-up.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
6:02 PM

Post #6595776

And anothere one.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
8:16 PM

Post #6596333

And here is almost the last one I have a photo of.

Wilfred

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PamelaQ
Navarre, FL
(Zone 8b)

May 25, 2009
8:22 PM

Post #6596347

Those look really cool. Maybe you'll get some unique and awsome flowers. Nice. I like the different shapes the leaves have.
Pam
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
9:00 PM

Post #6596489

Thanks PamelaQ, yea they do look kind of cool and I'm hoping they produce something different and unique, It's funny the way these came out since the parent plants have normal leafs and do not look anything like thees do. I don't know why but almost one out of every 10 seedling that sprout out have some strange leaf pattern, shape or color to it, already the new seedling are doing the same thing.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
9:16 PM

Post #6596553

This one completely boggle me, it growth is completely different from anything I've seen, at first I thought that a seed from something else was growing in the pot, but that was impossible since I mark were I plant every single seed in the pot to know exactly that, that its a hibiscus growing and nothing else.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
9:17 PM

Post #6596557

Here is another photo.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
9:18 PM

Post #6596563

Here's a close-up of the leaf.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
9:19 PM

Post #6596567

Here's a close-up of the center of the plant.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 25, 2009
9:22 PM

Post #6596577

This is the last photo of it, also the last photo I've taken of the seeding even doe I have more. as soon as they bloom I will post them.

Wilfred

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amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

May 25, 2009
11:44 PM

Post #6597184

Those are some funky foliage photos Wilfred. I remember once having a seedling with heart shaped foliage, but I never saw it get to bloom. Either I killed it or it died on me before that ever happened. I can't explain the foliage on the first few pictures. Only time will tell.
Jon
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 26, 2009
4:01 AM

Post #6598381

Just know one thing Jon, can't wait to see what on earth will the blooms look like, who know, they might even have pointy petal on the blooms. Now that for sure would be something different alright.

Wilfred
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 26, 2009
6:46 PM

Post #6600534

Do any of the hibiscus professional experts know why this happens and what causes it.

Wilfred
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

May 26, 2009
6:59 PM

Post #6600583

I'm definitely not an expert and have no idea. I would just assume it's genetics from either side of the cross and/or some kind of mutation along the way.
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 26, 2009
8:27 PM

Post #6600923

Well, I guess I can call them "The New Mutant Hibs Series", you know like Mutant Ninja Turtles, LOL! To bad I can't add ninja to the name, they just don't fight back.

Wilfred
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

May 26, 2009
9:07 PM

Post #6601096

Yep, you'll just have to see what you have when it puts out some blooms. The waiting and growing part is also a good thing. It's always good to have a hibiscus or a few you haven't seen bloom yet. It's something to look forward to.
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 26, 2009
10:05 PM

Post #6601323

I know what you mean, it's a wonderful filling when you get a new seedling to bloom and it turns out to be gorgeous and different , you just what to show everybody your new baby.

Wilfred
okijaner
Herceg Novi
Montenegro

May 27, 2009
7:37 PM

Post #6605509

I have one hibiscus 2 year old with 3 finger leaf,I get seeds like hibiscus rosa sinensis seed,I hope this year it will gave flower ,I can wait,I also have one with red leafs unusuall too,I wait it to get flower also..strange mutation they can have ,it is truth.
hobbyodlaren
Link
Sweden
(Zone 5b)

May 27, 2009
7:49 PM

Post #6605574

Very beautiful foliage of them all Wilfred. I bought seeds from Hawaii last year of tropicals one was like rust-coloured as small new seedling but turn green when it got older. Some have enormous big leaf, but no one have maple tree shaped, I had liked that.
My plants are now 1 year and about 30 to 60 centimetre high. I wait for flower this summer.
The rust dotted one are now green.
This is the one with bronzed leaf Sylvia

http://www.hobbyodlaren.com/hibronze.html#

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hobbyodlaren
Link
Sweden
(Zone 5b)

May 27, 2009
7:58 PM

Post #6605617

Also this are little unlike usual Hibiscus with yellow leaf nerve.
http://www.hobbyodlaren.com/hirubyr.html#
Sylvia
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 28, 2009
8:00 PM

Post #6610276

okijaner, has yours bloomed yet, if so I would like to see a photos of it.
hobbyodlaren, I would say the same to you, once it bloom please post a photo of it, love two see what came out of it.
As for mien, sometime I get all different types of foliage from one seed pod, very strange isn't it. I'm sure going to post photos when my hibs finally decide to bloom, can't wait to see them.

Wilfred
hobbyodlaren
Link
Sweden
(Zone 5b)

May 29, 2009
5:26 AM

Post #6612601

I hope for flower this summer
Sylvia
okijaner
Herceg Novi
Montenegro

May 29, 2009
5:50 AM

Post #6612626

no flower yet because I cut woods well in spring,I hope this days first will must appear.
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

May 29, 2009
6:09 AM

Post #6612647

Well in that case I just have to wait until you both get blooms on your hibs you can take photos of and post them. Hope they bloom soon for you both.

Wilfred
okijaner
Herceg Novi
Montenegro

May 29, 2009
12:20 PM

Post #6613090

Wilfred I will be glad to share with you flower pictures,because I expect it 3. season now,first one they was small,last they give me no flowers,this year I hope to best results.
trickiwoo
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 16, 2009
3:09 AM

Post #6951632

Wilfred, what happened to your plants with the odd leaves? I have one with the same leaves but it has not bloomed this year. Looks similar to your 1st photo. Will have to get a picture of mine posted.

Judy
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 16, 2009
4:11 PM

Post #6953015

Well out of all the ones with the odd leaves one had a bud on it but it fell of so I'm still waiting to see what they look like. they should start to bloom soon since they have about 1 year to 1-1/2 years already and after the year is when seedling start to bloom. Here is a few photo of the leaves.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 16, 2009
4:13 PM

Post #6953022

Here's another different one.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 16, 2009
4:17 PM

Post #6953042

Here's is a bronze colored leaf, it still has maintain the color on the leaf after a year only that the leaves are bigger.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 16, 2009
4:22 PM

Post #6953070

Strangely they start out green and start to change color as the leaf matures, I have other plants next to this one and all get the same treatment so it can't be that I'm doing something different with this one.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 16, 2009
4:28 PM

Post #6953093

Here is another seedling that seems to be doing the same.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 16, 2009
4:31 PM

Post #6953101

Yet another one.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 16, 2009
4:33 PM

Post #6953105

Close up of the leaf.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 16, 2009
4:43 PM

Post #6953140

I just hope when it decides to bloom that it will look gorgeous as the leaves do. If there any seedling that I"m really waiting to see bloom, it would be these. I have more but I didn't take photos of them.

Wilfred

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trickiwoo
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 16, 2009
4:52 PM

Post #6953157

Thanks, Wilfred. Very interesting. Like the ones that have changed color. I posted my plant on another thread. But, I will go back & try to do a close up & put it here. Thanks again for your help. Was beginning to think I was caring for something other than a Hibiscus when I remembered your posting.

Judy
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 16, 2009
5:03 PM

Post #6953185

I know want you mean, but I'm sure they're hib since I mark where the seeds are planted just to be sure they are the hibs growing and nothing else for that matter and I check them on a daily bases, here's a photo of what I mean.

Wilfred

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trickiwoo
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 16, 2009
5:05 PM

Post #6953189

This is a closer picture of the leaf, Wilfred. The tag in the pot says, "Belize Breeze" & it shows a pink bloom on it. Its one of the breeze series that I bought at wallyworld probably last year or the year before. Thanks again, Wilfred.

Judy

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trickiwoo
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 16, 2009
5:09 PM

Post #6953196

Your new babies look great, Wilford.

Judy
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 19, 2009
4:22 PM

Post #6964853

Hey Judy, Dee got me thinking, is your "Belize Breeze" a hardy or a tropical hib.

Wilfred
trickiwoo
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 20, 2009
2:10 AM

Post #6966886

Mine is a tropical HIb, Wilfred. But, I bought a Hardy this evening at Lowe's & it has leaves like your last picture with the red. Think Dee just bought one like it too so I'm going to have to find her pictures. They were on a different thread. Will take pictures tomorrow. This plant was half price & half dead but I think it was because it was dry as a bone. Hardy's like to be on the damp side. Read somewhere that people used them around their ponds. Will get a picture for you tomorrow.

Judy
guamsorbit
Emerald Hills, CA
(Zone 9b)

August 24, 2009
6:52 PM

Post #6983583

Wilfred,

I happened across this discussion about 'strange foliage' and an explanation by Charles Black...

..."We often see 3 lobed leaves in seedlings, too. These are said to be a more primitive (ancient) leaf form but almost all seedling plants that show them as juveniles develop more typical leaf forms as they mature. After that all the cutting grown plants show the "normal" or mature leaf form instead of the juvenile form. It is really amazing the varied forms and colors of leaves that hibiscus can show as juveniles.

Every now and then a seedling will reach first bloom before changing leaf form and I hope that maybe it won't change. One variety that held onto the 3 lobed form is Creme de Cacao and many of its offspring also show interesting and odd leaves... "

http://www.hiddenvalleyhibiscus.com/forum/index.php/topic,56.0.html
WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:24 PM

Post #6984010

Hi Dee, just read Charles Black explanation and he's right about the leaves changing to normal looking leaves, I have quiet a few that already have done that but I still have a few that are resisting the change and I hope they do stay with the leafs pattern they got, they sure looks nice with does leaves. He also mentioned something about the ones that have reddish leaves changing to green as plant matures and that has happen also but I got a few that are doing the reverse, there changing from green to a reddish look as the plant matures, the older the leaf the more reddish it gets, hope they stay with this tread in them as well, it's a nice color to have on the leaves, just hope the blooms are as pretty as the leaves are. If after they decide to bloom and the if the blooms are pretty and the plant keep the nice leaves shape or color pattern and if you like them, I promise you that you'll be the first person to get a cutting from them Dee. Here's a photo of one of the reddish plant and some of the leaves examples of different plants with the reddish in them.

Wilfred

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:26 PM

Post #6984027

Here is how the leaves start.

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:28 PM

Post #6984034

this is how it looks after it matures.

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:29 PM

Post #6984039

Here's another leaf from another plant as it first starts

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:31 PM

Post #6984045

Here's what it looks like after a few days.

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:32 PM

Post #6984055

This is another plant's leaf as they start.

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:33 PM

Post #6984059

Look how nice and dark the vain on the leaves get after a few days.

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:35 PM

Post #6984072

This is the last trio of reddish color leaf photo, this is how its starts.

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:38 PM

Post #6984075

It gradually changes to the reddish tones, first the veins on the leaf change to a reddish color.

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WQP
Carolina, PR
(Zone 11)

August 24, 2009
9:40 PM

Post #6984081

And it keeps changing until the whole leaf completely changes to the reddish color.

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Gibberillins
Los Angeles, CA

July 14, 2010
3:29 PM

Post #7968707

Wow!

This message was edited Jul 14, 2010 3:28 PM
dsa2591
North Port, FL
(Zone 9b)

July 29, 2010
9:37 AM

Post #8004429

Ah...from Hawaii...that explains it. What they call "tropical hibiscus" and what we consider tropical is not quite the same. The one with the large, round leaves looks like Hibiscus tileacus. The one with the long, finger-like long leaves looks like H. trionum.

I think you got snookered.

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