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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 25, 2009
08:39 PM Post #6597427
| We came from here 
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/984932/
Well I got quite a lovely surprise on this very cool foggy morning ...
I expected a green bloom on my third seedling and found her opened up overnight and in colour!
The first bloom took three days to flush into a pale colour and this one is slightly darker in colour on the first day than the other was by day 3.
She is almost a dusty pink lavender to my eyes ...the flash in the camera fades the colour out ...
Here she is
Brugmansia *Dreamtime* (working name)
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 25, 2009
09:14 PM Post #6597611
| Here is a picture of number 4 seedling ...I can see nice tendrils (length) coming through ...I hope it can show us some shape and colour before the "green bloom " time.
I can't describe the thrill of watching and waiting for your own seedlings to bloom.
Some of us are working on Aussie names ...
anyone have any ideas?
What would you like to call yours?
Before chossing a "working name" check out it is not in use or registered ...you can do that here (as well as checking out what were successfull crosses )
http://www.abads.org/abads/Registry/namelist/
Here is my number 4 trying to beat the cold (come on baby you can do it!) ((((( gosh))))) I accidently deleted it ...*blushing* better go take another. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 25, 2009
09:48 PM Post #6597793
| number 4 ... 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 25, 2009
10:01 PM Post #6597841
| When I went out to take another picture of 4 ... the bloom on Dreamtime has lowered it's tendrils in the midday warmth about 23C here ...so I will be looking to see what happens with them ...I think if they don't either go back up or curl it may not be good thing. Loving those tendrils though ... 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 25, 2009
10:08 PM Post #6597873
| And Wayne thankyou so much! I have three of the Iochromas struck and perhaps more ...look I am thrilled ...struck the top of the broken piece off jean's plant too ...so I am hoping maybe one day to make seeds!
look here is the new growth!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 26, 2009
03:07 AM Post #6598722
| *Dreamtime* lifted her tendrils again as soon as the sun went off her at lunchtime ...it has been so overcast and rainy I think many things have had a shock when the big gold disc appeared (aka sun)
I love her ...even *Glasshouse Angel* has finished up in the cold fog this morning ...there are a few Musketeer, Alphonse Mucha,Frosty Pink and Sugar Pink blooms but it is getting towards the end with this cold wet weather.I hope it means she will be a winter bloomer, she may not love the heat and will need to go into a sheltered situation before Summer, perhaps.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 26, 2009
03:12 AM Post #6598724
| Can't help it, I love her windblown tendrils ...pretty one 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 26, 2009
03:16 AM Post #6598725
| Wayne here are your babies ...all thriving! 
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
May 26, 2009
03:25 AM Post #6598728
| "Now I shout it from the highest hills
Even told the golden daffodils... ... ..." :)))
Congratulations once again Chrissy! *Dreamtime* looks lovely. What is it's parentage?
Just checked outside (tourch light)... Looks like a couple of new blooms on the seedlings, with colour. Must check tomorrow.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 26, 2009
06:07 AM Post #6598866
| Butterfly x Adeline ... a Brenda Delphe cross.(Brenda you rock!)
fingers crossed for yours Wayne I think it may be warmer where you are so you have a good chance ... it is pretty cold here so we will see how it goes here too ...isn't it exciting!
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Alistair
Nowra, NSW,
Australia
(Zone 9b)
May 26, 2009
07:29 PM Post #6601660
| Very pretty shape Chrissy! It will be interesting to see it when it flowers in warmer weather!
Got back to find everything stripped by the gales grrr! would have been good flowering otherwise. But Firefighter plants doing very well in the shade house, with quite a lot of small buds already!! |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 26, 2009
09:48 PM Post #6602336
| Hi Alistair sorry to hear about the garden ...yes the weather has been savage!
same here and up North has suffered terrible damage with the floods.
Ok everyone it has been explained to me that *working* names are not a good idea because people may use the unofficial working name on Ebay etc or ...if the name you love and use may turn out to be a dud plant ... the name will persist because it has become known. Now I do understand that, it makes sense. So what I make of that is unless you intend to register the plant (name) after trials prove the plant is good then you choose the working name (I guess?).
Perhaps Alistair could explain this ...I think I have misunderstood the Working name instruction and would not like to perpetuate an incorrect procedure.
I hope he has lots of pretty pictures to show us ...once settled back in and will perhaps give us a link to the Facebook Brug thingy.
meanwhile it is soggy and miserable here ...still showers and grey sky ...lots of mud too!
About the buds on Fire Fighter Angel ...don't they fall off in the cold? and do you think above the Y cuttings can support a double bloom? ...I can't get Hyacinth Bouquet to hold her buds ...will this change if I move her into a warmer position or will Spring be the right time for buds? she has lovely leaves. |
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)
May 26, 2009
09:56 PM Post #6602386
| Hyacinth Bouquet? Oh how funny. Hyacinth Bucket! I haven't had a laugh in 6 weeks, Chrissy.
You are a special, special person.
Christi |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 26, 2009
11:47 PM Post #6602874
| Hugs to you dear christi ... I made you laugh? oh wow that makes my day!
Maybe I shouldn't tell you our Aussie Hyacinth Bouquet is a beautiful double white Angels trumpet ...if only I could share her with you ...if only I could make you laugh every day. From now on in my mind I will think of her as Mrs Bucket and send you a silent smile along with a warm cyber hug every time I walk past her ...
*smiling* chrissyx x x |
Alistair
Nowra, NSW,
Australia
(Zone 9b)
May 27, 2009
03:50 AM Post #6603289
| Chrissy I am sorry I have been so bossy about working names LOL.
There's no "law" against it, and some people do do it, but it can create confusion for the ICRA: whether to register the name or not. Names are not actually registered by individuals but by the ICRA: they can of course be sent in by individuals for registration by the ICRA, but the ICRAs should also be actively scanning the public domain for names in use and recording them, as well as receiving names sent in for registration.
The other problem is that someone can see a working name and then pinch it for a different plant, which has caused much angst in the past, so IMO it is best to keep the name you have in mind secret till you have decided you want to select and propagate the plant as a cultivar.
An alternative is to talk about the seedling as 'Fred Blogs' x 'Banjo Patterson' # 3 or something like that...
But this is no more than a suggestion: very much JMO!!!!
No pics I'm afraid as it was too early in the season for Monika's plants to be in flower (or even outside as there was still risk of frost). But it was great meeting her: she was very kind and is a lovely person with a staggering knowledge of the cultivars!!!
I have found that Hyacinth needs to settle down and be well established before she holds her buds. I have some flowers on mine but they are too wind-battered to show :-)
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 27, 2009
07:51 PM Post #6606547
| This is for emma of Perth and any one else who may be interested.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/362576/
The day after I read this I went out with an artists brush and went to work ...
1) do it as soon as the bloom opens so the bees don't get there first.
that means early morning or dusk/night.
2) the most successfull "takes" are in the cooler parts of the plant ...
it may have something to do with heat/water stress. Not sure why.
3) gently tie something around the mouth of the bloom to prevent
some critter introducing a pollen you don't want.
(just in case you want a certain cross for sure)
4) Three good swipes of pollen to ensure good "take".
5) Wait until the pod is ripe (approx 4months) or the stem goes
yellow/pod gets a dull sort of soft almost rotten look. Like over ripe
fruit. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 27, 2009
08:01 PM Post #6606602
| Thanks Alistair what a shame you missed Monikas blooms ...I would be heart broken.
It would have been a wonderful experience talking to her,
Re the names ...ok, except for Fire Fighter Angel because I am fully confident it is a beauty ...it is already "out there" and it is my own personal thankyou to them. Look at the regrowth on the stub ...strong healthy leaves, it's a brug worthy of it's name.
Here they are (up to my waist)
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 27, 2009
08:11 PM Post #6606631
| and here is ***Butterfly x Adeline no 1*** (because I have a few)
After more very heavy rain last night ...I am really happy to see her still there at all, she has held up very well to the deluge, tendrils still ok but no longer upright.
Yes Hyacinth is in half shade ...do you think she needs more sun?
I know some doubles have trouble holding their buds for a season or two ...I can hardly wait until Spring.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 27, 2009
08:27 PM Post #6606701
| You mean 'Butad1', Chrissy? Now that's a name no one is likely to pinch! |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 27, 2009
09:26 PM Post #6606997
| lol cestrum I have seen some really weird names in the registered ones too ...I can't imagine such pretty things having cold clinical names but it is for the good of the plants (call them anything you like in your own garden and when no one is looking. ) |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 27, 2009
10:20 PM Post #6607272
| Sweetie-pie ... Honey-bunch ... Lovey-dove ...
But only in the privacy of one's own garden, of course! |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
May 28, 2009
05:23 PM Post #6610616
| The 'Pink Panther" x aurea seedlings have finished blooming apart from # 10. Here is a pic taken the other day of #10, it is the giant one that I sent you cuttings of Chrissy. This one has huge pleated leaves and seems to be a repeat bloomer. Earlier photos are in the previous thread.
The 'Bucks Fizz' x noid seedlings all bar one turned out plain white with very ordinary flower form. The exception has a buff coloured bloom. I will grow this one on to see how it fares in warmer months.
'Aztec Gold' x aurea #11 is repeat blooming. Nice big tendrils and a peach/apricot colour this flush. Will download camera later today. Out now to work.
Great to hear that you are back Alistair and that you had a good trip. Hopefully time worthwhile at Kew.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 28, 2009
07:44 PM Post #6611213
| Wayne, where do find the space to grow all your brug seedlings? (Your garden looks so beautifully designed.) I've got only a dozen or so year-old seedlings and they take up a *lot* of space. Do you grow them in a bed? Large pots? Tubs? Or do you rent a separate plot of land LOL |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 28, 2009
11:38 PM Post #6612285
| That is beautiful Wayne a little green but lovely ...green is fairly par for course now darn it!
I am posting this for who ever was asking about the 5 and 6 points in the brugs ...here is good old Frosty Pink with 6 points instead of 5 ...she is pale and a bit green too due to the cold (I think it was jean who asked) evidently it just happens every now and then on new wood (it's happening all over the place here?) on new and old wood.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 28, 2009
11:40 PM Post #6612295
| It is interesting I guess ... looks like a different bloom when it happens 
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
May 29, 2009
12:42 AM Post #6612490
| LOL and thank you Cestrum! :)
Presently we grow-on our "seedlings" in big pots. You are right, they take up lots of room. Our garden is continually evolving. Yes, there was an original plan drawn up twelve years ago. The "bones" are there, we just take our time colouring in the spaces! Here is a photo taken warts and all of one of two temp growing-on areas.
I am hoping to use some unused nursery space off-site this coming season. It too is limited, however secure and nearby. All the same, I will have to limit whatever I grow on.
Chrissy, that "green" tone turns to a lemony yellow. In the pot, that plant is tending to lean over and grow horizontal. I would hope that in the ground, back of border, it would give a bit of structure and texture. Early days yet, so will wait and see.
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
May 29, 2009
05:10 PM Post #6615089
| More seedlings in pots. These are grouped together for wind protection. We have used budding tape to tie them up. I guess old stockings would also do the trick if budding tape is not available. Once these winds have finished, we will space the plants out a little more. 
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
May 29, 2009
05:15 PM Post #6615111
| Seed pods forming on new seedlings. By tying the potted plants up, the risk of them falling over and loosing the pods is minimised. These seed pods are on 'Aztec Gold' x aurea (pod parent) x Red Hot Pink (pollen). 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 29, 2009
08:04 PM Post #6615682
| It's really interesting to see how you grow your seedlings, Wayne. With my next batch, I think I'll still grow them in buckets but, instead of placing them in a bed of mulch, I'll just put a saucer under each bucket to make watering easier. (My Aztec Gold seedpod--first and only so far--looks just like yours. Open pollinated, but almost certainly crossed with apricot versicolor or aurea Golden Butter, given what I had flowering in my garden.)
I had my first (and so far only) seedpod on the white suaveolens and found they germinated very well. The Golden Butter aurea seedpods, on the other hand, seem to take a lot longer to germinate and don't germinate as thickly. Have you noticed a difference in germination rates between the species?
Stake, my current crop of seedpods are still green but I haven't forgotten that they're destined for your *laboratory* :-)
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
May 30, 2009
03:10 AM Post #6616888
| Cestrum, the plastic saucers under pots are very worthwhile for the summer months. Most evenings I would arrive home from work to find the Brug seedlings looking worse than how I did! Just have to watch out for mossies breading.
B. aurea 'Golden Butter'... Sounds yummy.
Maybe we need a B. 'Muffin' to cross it out with! :)
Cestrum, I am very new to raising Brug seedlings. I can't answer your question regarding germination time / rate regarding species. I do know from my own experience that "white suaveolens" do germinate heavily as seedlings.
We have some B.aurea (cv) pods ripening, these have been naturally pollinated. I will harvest and share with anyone interested in growing on. Presently room here for trial plants is restricted to a few. Growing on seedlings is a huge investment of time and space for gardeners. We are limited here to a few. Thank goodness for friends with acerage!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 30, 2009
05:26 PM Post #6618882
| I am thrilled to see your seedpods ...Wayne congratulations! I hope you can put your hands on that spare land I remember the frustration of limited space.Trouble is the more space the more temptation and the more work!
cestrum in my limited experience I have found the suaveolens are very reliable ...quite quick and a great one for beginners to "practice on" ...although the seed is the smallest (less cork too) it gives great results in fact the Star Dancer seeds I planted were up in 5 days. I think that if the Brugmansia seed is fresh ...whatever it is, it will be about 10 days to a month in general (weather or growing conditions being right). You don't have to peel the suaveolens(too small ) or the others ...unless you are nursing out a very special cross, then you may want to at least spot check them (peel one out of ten for example) or if they are not fresh ...you can nip a piece of the cork off carefully to allow the warm water to seep through while you are soaking the seed.
I also spot check the seeds before sending them out (always dry seeds off well before storing ) If you are going to buy seeds from America the best results are from freshly harvested seeds ...usually those seeds are harvested in Autumn over there so that is our Spring. Once you are crossing your own seeds I think you should spot check your hybrid crosses to ensure you don't find empty corks ...
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
May 30, 2009
11:53 PM Post #6620418
| Thanks Chrissy.
It is a lucky dip here regarding what is actually in the pods... ... ...
A friend who is very much into Genealogy tells me that you can only be sure of a maternal line for one generation! :)))
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LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)
May 31, 2009
12:52 AM Post #6620657
| I believe the phrase is something like "The mother is a sure thing, the father is taken by faith". Don't we all know that. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 31, 2009
01:43 AM Post #6620758
| Lou, that was true for all of history until IVF and surrogacy were invented, and now the offspring could be genetically unrelated to either of its nominal parents!
That's interesting news about the seeds. Stake, I'm afraid that I didn't think to do such checks and I'm wondering if I've sent you empty seeds. So far, none of my aurea seeds have germinated so I'm wondering if they were empty. The good news is that there'll be plenty more, and one of us can check before planting to see if the seed has a kernel inside or is empty. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
03:24 AM Post #6620846
| cestrum ...I did not mean you *have* to spot check ...it is just a suggestion for the grower so that they are not waiting for empty corks to pop ...sometimes the bean inside seems very large and in tact but it feels light for it's size ...if you apply gentle pressure to one like that you will find the white out seedcase is hollow ...after you have played with a few you will get a feel for the good or bad ones. As I said before the most successfull ones for me have been in in the shadier areas of the tree in the heat (not so important when it is done in autumn but I would still try that too because the leaves will shelter the pods a bit ...of course my crosses are all outside and not under cloth. There are other experienced people out there who may do it differently but this is what works for me.
christi I hope you are staring to find solace in your garden again ...hugs.
Good luck everyone ...
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Stake
Barmera
Australia
May 31, 2009
06:06 AM Post #6620968
| G'Day Chrissy. Your another Grandmother. A Chrissy Mystery Brug.
Brian |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
09:25 AM Post #6621371
| Brian does that mean your seeds are popping?.
I asked a question over on the Brug forum and Monika was kind enough to answer ...it was about a small quantity in a brug seedpod and I asked why this happened (mine are always over a hundred and close to 300 in some). Monika pointed out that after a bloom has opened the sticky part (part that receives the pollen ... end of the stigma) starts to dry up and therefore loses fertility.
So now we know another reason that some crosses may not take ...
For anyone having difficulty with crosses I would catch the bloom to receive the pollen just as soon as it is starting to unfurl ...preferably before the bees are out in the early morning or at dusk and after. In the warmer areas you can still do crosses.
Good luck everyone |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 31, 2009
04:52 PM Post #6623067
| I'm a bit worried about not checking only because so far none of the aurea seeds I've sown in the past month or so have germinated. Yesterday there was one ripe seedpod among all the green ones on my apricot versicolor, so I thought I'd check. The seeds with their outer husks look plump and healthy--but there doesn't appear to be any actual seed inside. I'm wondering now if my aurea seeds are the same. So perhaps all the seeds I've sent Stake--both aurea and versicolor--are also empty :-( |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
05:37 PM Post #6623234
| That happened to me in my first try ...I got big healthy looking pods (these were in full sun) big healthy corks ...and after no germination in the seeds from pods that were in the sunniest spots ...I concluded it was because of the heat (this could also hasten the sticky to dry up) ...after that experience it never happened again ...as soon as those blooms start to unfurl get that pollen into them. I still feel heat is an enemy of good fertilization (for what ever reason). I don't think you should feel bad cestrum we are all learning ...what is that old saying, "when we know better we do better" or something like that, this is why I started these threads so we can all learn together. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 31, 2009
06:09 PM Post #6623365
| Live and learn! And yes, the pods were big and healthy looking; hard to believe that the seeds inside them were empty. Hopefully there will be viable seeds in at least some of the seedpods due to mature soon. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
06:43 PM Post #6623489
| What can also happen if they are pollinated by bees or whatever ...there may be too little pollen to successfully provide enough for even fertilization but just enough to trigger the pod formation. This is why I like to do it myself instead of waiting for mother nature, I read that you need three good swipes of a pollen loaded brush to do the job.
Well here is my 4th seedling flowering on a younger plant ...it y'd at only 3ft and has produced this pretty green bloom (cold and raining here) I can't really tell if there will be colour or not but I love the tendrils and the perfume is lovely! it may be trying to turn yellow , but probably will stay a greeny white in this cold ...it is a very pretty whimsical shape about the tendrils. When I chose my crosses from Brenda I was chasing tendrils even more than colour ...so I am thrilled. It was all about tendrils and perfume before the colour ...I hope this one can stand up to the rain.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
06:47 PM Post #6623508
| As you can see I have removed the ratty leaves so you can see the bloom ...this is a large bloom ...(sorry the pictures are so dark and wet! it is the weather) 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
06:50 PM Post #6623518
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 31, 2009
06:54 PM Post #6623536
| The tendrils are very pretty, Chrissy. Will be interesting to see if it changes in the warmer months.
Interestingly, I know it makes sense but I only consciously noticed when I saw it in my apricot versicolor sucker reaching for the light beside the champaca: the sucker has to make a Y before it will flower too, even though the parent plant has long since Y-d and flowered many times. Just like a seedling. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
08:10 PM Post #6623820
| That is exactly right and that is why I love those suckers ... they are perfect for lollypop or as we say umbrella style brugs (or "avenue" brugs as some call them ) all anyone needs for that is just to wait until next growing season and the plants grown from cuttings will send up those lovely straight shoots very quickly ...Elfin Pink grew about 6ft in a couple of weeks ...I chop her Y off (with about 10/12" inches of the trunk and make a plant of that, because she grows way too high to get at the blooms. She bloomed at 3/4ft that way but you with have a shorter wider plant from that. The seedlings grow tall and straight without suckers as a general rule,but like everything else with brugs you can always get a surprise. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 31, 2009
08:20 PM Post #6623854
| Actually, I like this one tall because I can see it from the windows of my house, which is high-set, not quite as high as a double-storey house in the southern states ... the next stage is to see it above the frosted bottom pane of the glass when *sitting down* :-) |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
May 31, 2009
08:51 PM Post #6623998
| I'm glad that the topic about empty seed cases came up. I thought I would have a look for the actual seed in Cestrum's mailings and suspected that they were empty but because I do not know the plants I said nothing and planted the whole kit and caboodle. When Chrissy's seeds arrived they were obviously plump seeds so I was pretty sure that the Cestrum ones were duds and was waiting for the opportunity to pass on this info.
Yes Chrissy the first of your seeds has germinated now I have to keep it alive out of the Hotbed because it is very etiolated through lack of light so the poor little mite will have to go and live in the "Brug Palace" with the big ones.
Regards Brian |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 31, 2009
09:35 PM Post #6624211
| You're obviously more alert than I am, Stake, as I planted my seeds without noticing anything unusual about them! |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
09:40 PM Post #6624227
| Congratulations Brian never mind ...if it gets too cold, I will send you more come Spring. Great little setup you have there ...I would (next time) plant in August so you don't have to nurse them through winter ...good luck with your baby brugs |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
09:47 PM Post #6624277
| cestrum I didn't know either at first ...it's like everything else in life ...you can read about it but nothing teaches like experience ...as I said after peeling a few hundred a few times ...you get a "feel" for the seeds, most of us haven't had the chance to practice ...yet .
Sing out if you want some seeds to compare or practice with, if you don't, just remember the little seeds are like small beans ...if in doubt press gently and the bean won't shatter into nothing if it is good. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
May 31, 2009
09:50 PM Post #6624290
| Now that didn't come out right ...cestrum and most of you out there are probably very experienced seed sowers and growers ...I mean't experienced with the mystical magical and beautiful Brug seeds of course. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
May 31, 2009
10:25 PM Post #6624473
| No more seeds please! (Except for the arborea, sometime late in the year if your seedpods mature.)
I've got so many seedpods maturing at the moment. When they ripen, I'll break open one and check the seeds. And then I'll send them to Stake, to germinate in his brug nursery :-) |
sammut
western sydney nsw
Australia
June 03, 2009
01:34 AM Post #6634696
| Afternoon to all,
My babies are ready to replant into biger pots they have beautiful little fine roots coming out the bottom whate is the best size pot for them to go in now I know I sound dumb asking I just dont want to stress them by doing things wrong.
Here is a pics.the fine dark marks on the white circle is the one with bigest roots the others only fine little ones --------Sammut
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sammut
western sydney nsw
Australia
June 03, 2009
01:43 AM Post #6634704
| here is all the family having there afternoon sun when I stop blocking it out . 
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Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 07, 2009
01:04 AM Post #6652794
| G'Day
Chrissy & Cestrum, Three more of your "Mysteries" up, Chrissy and there is one of your "Greens" come through, Cestrum.
I don't expect your "Ripes" to germinate because they are in the fridge crisper waiting for spring.
Brian |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 07, 2009
01:11 AM Post #6652810
| So one at least isn't a dud! LOL Is it a versicolor? Or an aurea?
BTW, my white suaveolens is setting seedpods--first time ever--but I don't know if they'll manage to ripen before the frosty nights arrive. The older seedpods on my other brugs (apricot versicolor, Golden Butter aurea, Ecuador Pink [versicolor?] and Aztec Gold suaveolens (one only) are still green and taking a good time to mature (not surprising, I guess, given that it is winter). |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 08, 2009
08:25 PM Post #6660960
| Great to hear the seeds are popping up ...even the ones that were not supposed to
cestrum this is for you ...I just realized the reason you want the Arboreas ...the 4711 cologne is there in the daytime too! on a coolish day, these two blooms are scenting my grandaughters yard,
(she lives in a cottage here in our garden). Just 2 and the place smells just yummy!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 08, 2009
08:28 PM Post #6660980
| They are delightful ...what a shame they don't grow from cuttings ...I am doing my best for seeds, been running around with the paintbrush. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 08, 2009
08:36 PM Post #6661008
| About the Winter Pods ...providing they don't freeze I have found the Winter Pods to do very well ...some in the protected areas still continue to grow, while others just seem to "sleep" until Spring and may take an extra month to finish.They hang on even when the leaves have gone. Good luck with them. 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 08, 2009
09:06 PM Post #6661144
| I hope to smell an arborea for myself one day, Chrissy :-)
My brug seedpods are taking forever to mature now that the weather has turned cool. There's an 'early frost' warning for Thur and Fri too, so winter has truly arrived here. The frosts tend to be dry; you don't see the frost itself but you do see the effects on the plants. The brugs are the first affected; their leaves just wither as if they've been blast-dryed. Of course, the established brugs all survive and grow again in spring, but the withered leaves (and ends of some branches) are horrible to look at until the dead bits can be pruned in spring. As my first ever suaveolens seedpod managed to ripen from an accidentally-pruned branch that was then stuck in soil like a cutting, I'm hoping that any seedpods on frost-affected branches will be similarly tough. We'll see how we go.
The main two branches on my young Ecuador Pink are bent over with the weight of the thick, long seedpods on the ends, but I found a smaller branch with some grey wood that hadn't flowered and so didn't have any seedpods. I cut it off and planted it in pure washed sand and put in a pot in the shed. I'm hoping it will strike for a friend of mine, who was rather taken by the flowers. Not exactly the ideal time to take cuttings, but winter cuttings have rooted in water in the shed over past winters so I'm hoping this one will do the same in sand. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 08, 2009
09:40 PM Post #6661304
| If you have any problems striking it now, try while the plant is in active growth ...Monika the great brug breeder says that any "touchy" brugs (I think Equador is more difficult than most) do best when the cuttings are taken from a mother plant in a full on growth spurt ...I have found that too ...it is more difficult but not impossible to do it in cooler conditions ...watch the water it rots easily, you give it it's best chance in the washed river sand with a couple of drops of seaweed tonic in the water when you water it in.
Don't forget come spring if there is anything you want (besides Arborea seeds) just yell
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 08, 2009
09:57 PM Post #6661404
| I forgot to say a freeze is on the way ...we have been warned,so I am going to play with some bubble wrap on the trunks of my Angels living beyond the secret jungle because they are fully exposed out there ...not sure weather to do anything about my Glass House Angel and ButterBomb pods ...I would not like anything to happen to them (all yellows to yellows). I find the very tops of my angels frizzle up during a freeze but they act as a blanket (ugly) for the rest of the tree.This will be my first time with plants outside the sheltered area so fingers crossed!. 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 08, 2009
10:43 PM Post #6661634
| I know this isn't the ideal time but, as there was a 'free' branch, I decided to go for it. Especially as the branches might get burnt by frost anyway.
I've heard about bubblewrap being used to wrap trunks as protection against frost but, like yours, it's the branches and leaves of my brugs that get frosted, not the trunk. Plus, here it's sunny and usually warmish (18 to 20 degrees) during the day when the nights are frosty, so I'm afraid the poor plants would cook if left bubblewrapped during the day. Still, I guess your protected area is probably colder day and night than the sheltered part, so wrap might be very helpful.
I know we have nothing to complain about compared with those people who have to contend with months of *snow*, but it's all relative. And it's esp. heartbreaking to see a plant that is ready to burst into yet another blush of flowers get frostbitten ... |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 08, 2009
11:36 PM Post #6661914
| G'Day
Chrissy, I take it that the Arboreas is another Brugmansia.
Do you have any spare bits that I can try grafting with? Probably not the ideal time for that either but worth a try. This would be a slightly different approach where the graft site is covered with the striking mix and even if the graft does not take the stock will feed the scion until it roots. This method is used with some other plants that are difficult to root.
Brian |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
June 09, 2009
12:31 AM Post #6662099
| Chrissy, it is freezing here today with a very cold wind. The temp outside at the moment is 9C. It will not get any higher for the next day or so.
The Angels all seem to be okay so far. We have had a long cold period but milder days in between. It is a good time to see which Angels will be more affected by the cold.
There are quite a few bare trunks now as the lower leaves yellow and fall off. Not sure whether this is from the cold or just a natural progression of growth as they get taller. One of the Fosty Pinks is still flowering although the flower is a lot paler . The Glasshouse Angels are still flowering strongly and putting on more growth and buds.. Certainly not too cold affected as yet. I have seen no sign of any stop in the top growth of any of the Angels, either cutting grown or seedlings. I am keeping a notebook for each one so we can see what happens in my area as compared to your warmer parts. I have one definite seed pod on the apricot noid that I pollinated with pollen from Alphonse Mucha. There are signs that a few more pods are froming on GHA , Frosty Pink and Suavoleons .
Jean. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 10, 2009
05:25 PM Post #6669874
| 3C here at the moment 7am. Brrrrrrr, ok I decided against the bubble wrap because it was a beautiful day yesterday and I felt quite warm where I was working with my angels. I am a touch nervous about the cold but I guess we want good strong plants that can withstand our conditions so I have left them alone.
I guess a few of them even like the cold
for you brian and anyone else unfamiliar with Brugmansia Arborea
http://www.brugmansia.us/content/index.php?option=com_conten...
So take a wander around there in the free sections and look at the conditions required by each type of plant.
I will send you some pieces if you want them next week brian but I honestly think it is very difficult if not impossible.
jean you can expect most blooms now to be very pale or even green. Never mind it's only three months until we get colour again (hopefully) if it is any consolation high heat drains the colour too.
Spring and Autumn are the best times for perfection, I don't mind the pale colours too much ...
Wayne tells me his "Big" is wafting Sambucca around the place so that is another fragrance to add to the list! congratulations Wayne.
I think the basic Brug fragrance is Marzipan meets Johnsons Baby Powder (to my nose) I love the lemon fragrance of "Old Stripey" mya's white versicolor ...Glasshouse Angel ...mmmm honeylicious Aurea at it's best, as is Butter Bomb! Frosty Pink is pure brug fragrance ...ahhh I could go on and on ... but the day beckons! =) |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 10, 2009
06:42 PM Post #6670193
| Which one is the 'Big'??? |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 11, 2009
03:38 AM Post #6672107
| cestrum ...sorry I thought it was mentioned in one of the threads ...it is a seedling of Waynes and is nicknamed "Big" because of it's size ...:) it is a huge white single with a beautiful trumpet. |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 11, 2009
04:16 AM Post #6672134
| G'Day
Thanks for the info Chrissy. I think there might be an omen there somewhere. Did you know that its habitat is also the habitat of a lot of Cacti so perhaps they are meant to be planted together? If you have a spare bit or two or six I'm even more interested in trying the grafts.
Brian
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 11, 2009
05:46 PM Post #6674852
| ok brian ...I will send some to you Monday/Tuesday.
First frost here ...never this early, I don't usually need to put the heater on until mid to late July ...I guess I won't need to mow for a while now. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 11, 2009
07:07 PM Post #6675131
| Early cold snap here too, below zero according to the nearest BOM station. (But maybe *only* zero here, where it's usually a few degrees warmer in winter and colder in summer than at the weather station. Maybe.) Won't know the damage until the arvo, after the sun's baked the leaves. I'm hoping that the increased canopy since last winter might have provided some protection for the plants underneath it. The brugs will be OK come spring (dunno about the seedpods) but I always worry about the canangas, which are in the ground. And my tropical seedlings in the mini-greenhouse. Fingers crossed ... |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 11, 2009
07:59 PM Post #6675363
| Well my Angels are all ok ...luckily the sun comes over them after the frost has left ...we had a 0C last night too, a lady from QLD just rang in (radio) complaining about the water being frozen in her dogs bowl on her verandah ...first time ever she said, that does not sound too good does it? sorry I can't say what place because hubby came in and talked to me while it was on. Oh well ...the days are lovely if you can find a place out of the wind ...the sun feels beautiful because it is gentle and warm instead of blazing hot!
All of your tropical seedlings are good and one Cananga growing out under the angels is good too but it is just the beginning of Winter. Good luck with yours ...mind you, we know they will grow back in the warmer temps (angels I mean ) it just takes a month or two longer for the flowers ...as for the seed pods, unless it is a bad freeze I think they will be ok. |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
June 11, 2009
09:26 PM Post #6675819
| What sun, Chrissy. ? ha ha
Just back from the Dr. and in near the heater. The wind was icy outside.
Luckily in frosty weather, there is usually none on the ground in side the fence. I have had the birdbath freeze a few times but mostly the plants are safe. Our frost is mainly the beginning of spring with some in autumn. The wind is the biggest problem here. Icy in winter and hot and dry in summer. I think my plants suffer more in summer because the wind sucks the moisture from the leaves.
Time for a cuppa . Here is the froggy that hubby bought yesterday for my birthday. I love him. ( hubby too of course )
Jean. 
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
June 11, 2009
09:33 PM Post #6675857
| Well that was funny. I was looking at the Tea Room and then did a post with froggy. I left it for a minute and came back to look in here, forgetting I had the post hanging. Somehow it ended up here You can see my froggy twice now . The Angels are looking good. GHA seems to like the cold.
Jean. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 11, 2009
09:42 PM Post #6675901
| I love your dear little froggy jean ...I posted a site for your dear one and KK re diabetes over in the tea room. It has some wonderful suggestions in it. I must get back to work out there ...GHA has buds seedpods and like you said seems to be revelling in the cool, what a beauty! ...it is almost pure Aurea I would bet on it! |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 12, 2009
06:24 AM Post #6677056
| Thanks Chrissy,
Is there a known reason for B. arboreas being hard to strike while the other species seem easy enough. Are there any noticeable big differences like type of bark, thickness of bark, hardness or softness of wood, heavy coating of wool/hair compared to others etc.
Brian |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 13, 2009
03:25 AM Post #6681272
| Well I am new to them too and have tried many ways to strike them with no luck ...from what I can see with the naked eye I note they have no little nubs (pre root bumps) like the other Brugmansias, that may have nothing to do with it but the nubs make rooting easy.
It's strange really because the seeds were so easy, my first ever brug seeds ...all of the Arborea were up in 10 days and grew strong and healthy thus giving me the confidence to try imported seeds and my own crosses. I will be working on seeds too and hopefully we will have a supply of those in the next few months. Lots of buds about to bloom some in flower already ...they seem to be loving the cooler temps so I think they are more happy in the Winter and cooler days in general. (sulking in the heat). I think it's great to have some types that enjoy cooler times and others that don't mind heat. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 13, 2009
04:14 AM Post #6681303
| Well, the frost damage is now obvious. Some of the upper canopy of some brugs have been affected. But the plant that really copped it was the large cananga beside the shed: it's been badly frostbitten. (The shed provides no protection at all; it's as if the metal intensifies the cold, if anything.) Just as well I have two others throughout the garden that seem to have escaped frost damage. |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 13, 2009
08:02 AM Post #6681552
| G'Day Cestrum, You say you are West of Brisbane. Are you West enough to be in the Granite Belt? If so you are colder than we are here, I think that is the only area in Qld that is colder than us.
Brian |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 13, 2009
07:02 PM Post #6683515
| No, not that far west; still part of the Greater Brisbane area so far as local calls, mail delivery times, trains etc are concerned. But it makes all the difference! Esp. frustrating for an ex-Melburnian who never thought that winter nights could be colder in the subtropics than in Melbourne's long, grey but generally frost-free winters. It's very similar to Chrissy's situation, where she's part of the Greater Sydney area but the temps are both hotter in summer and the nights colder in winter than in the Sydney CBD. (And don't get me started on the fruit flies!)
The canangas have survived frosts in the previous two winters but, despite this one being about 3m tall (supposedly flowering size), none has yet flowered. I'm pretty sure it's this winter cold that is responsible. I hope it will keep recovering but don't know if these winters will progressively weaken it. My hope is that I will have a canopy over it within a couple of years; that's protected the other canangas this year (so far), as well as the Cassia grandis, which was badly frostbitten over the past two winters and then attacked by borers within six weeks of the frost die-back. Good news is that the Michelia champacas are completely unaffected; in fact, there are still flowers at the top of the tallest tree. I guess that's why it's known as the Himalayan magnolia. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 13, 2009
07:09 PM Post #6683535
| gee sorry to hear about your tree ...that is why I like jungle.The different levels of leaves and upper branches of hardy things seems to provide almost glasshouse conditions for those below, so that even if the tops burn off the lower branches of things come rocketing back come Spring.I hope your tree will survive this coming Winter ...it may be a killer season what with these early frosts, lets hope it is just an early blip. Do you think piling some bricks or cement blocks ...even old tyres around the base with provide some radiant heat (bottles of water are said to work too)
I find tyres very good for getting some things away early in Spring (veggies). |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 13, 2009
07:19 PM Post #6683568
| Chrissy, this garden is not even 4yo, so the canopy is taking a while to build but I am working on it assiduously! (And am quite proud of what I've achieved in the midst of a drought--hopefully now over. I have carted thousands of buckets of water to get the plants established.) This is the first winter where I have had some sort of canopy, as the plants seem to have had a tremendous burst of growth last summer. (Probably because of the good summer rain--you know what they say; tap water keeps the plants alive but rain makes them thrive.) I don't think that doing anything to the base will protect the top, which is where the cananga (and the other frost-affected plants) has been fried.
I've decided that the best protection I can provide for shrubs/trees in the ground is to get that canopy to grow asap! |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 13, 2009
07:59 PM Post #6683682
| I agree but truly making columns of old tyres really works (not elegant but very practical) In keeping the frost from doing the bad damage down lower. When I moved here there was only grass and no protection ...the water froze in the hoses etc, so my first chores were to make fence shelters and grow fast growers around the edges of my secret (read sheltered) jungle, I used lots of tyre columns (hubby has hundreds) to provide heat and shelter until the plants and trees grew big enough. Of course we are quite mad (in a nice way) to be growing tropicals in these conditions ...but it's a beautiful madness! how else could someone have beautiful stone fruits and heat loving tropicals all in the same grounds? I think you must be a very special gardener to have what you have in such a short time ...it must have been an awful shock to suddenly find that your tropical paradise was not tropical in winter. I came from mostly ocean and riverside living ...frost was a new experience for me and all the gardening rules I had ever learn't by were suddenly out the door ...I do love the changing seasons though, I would miss them if I moved ...who does not enjoy the challenge? I must say though that while my tropicals look good to me ...if you browse through the real tropical threads ...and look at Mya's and Ann's beautiful stuff it does bring you back down to Earth with a thud ...
Never mind =) every place has it's good and bad points ...and our gardens give us back much more than we give them.
Here is some lovely reading on this cold winter morning
http://www.farmforfun.com/Microenvironments.html |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 13, 2009
10:55 PM Post #6684429
| cestrum,I sympathize with you I'm in the same boat too...even though my garden is a lot older than yours things still get hit even the plants you think should be sheltered...I could smell all the frost damaged plants that morning ..so many limp plants...sad sight, oh well.Usually we don't start to get the really big frosts until late June or early July but it hit early this year...and I wasn't as prepared as I should have been ...though my brug cuttings are all still doing well sheltered under a tree just hope they stay that way. Chrissy, I have potted on Fire Fighter Angel it is doing really well...it outgrew its small one...will post pics soon.Wayne & Mya your cuttings are doing great too thanks, although I think I may have lost Maya but will wait to see if it shoots from the roots.I also have some little stardancer x seedlings coming along so hope they can survive. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 13, 2009
11:10 PM Post #6684499
| Vale, my Firefighter Angel. I think. After putting on green leaves and looking healthy, the leaves started blackening and dying. I've had to cut the squishy bits off, leaving about half the trunk. This I've put into pure sand and placed in the shed. But the Lipstick Pink still looks healthy. |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
June 14, 2009
12:53 AM Post #6684779
| Chrissy, my firefighter angel is very slow but still going. It has very few leaves as yet and they are thin and feling the cold I think. I will leave it in the green house and see how it goes. All the other angels are still going well despite the cold . I see the leaves are getting a touch of yellow on some , prabaly due to less feed. I have not been feeding them much lately. GHA is still powering on with even more buds. The wind knocks the leaves around but it looks good in general. I think I may have a few pods on GHA, Frosty Pink, Suavolens and maybe noid apricot. We'll see what is there by spring. The little Poison cutting you sent ages ago , grew well then started to die off, I leaft it to see how it wouls go and now it is over 10" tall and looking good.
Jean.
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
June 14, 2009
02:08 AM Post #6684902
| Natural pollinators of Brugmansia.
Over the past couple of years, there has been discussion as to why in our relatively small garden here at “Flora” (1,000 square meters), so large a number of blooms have pollinated without any help on our behalf. We have lots of domesticated and native bees here and a fairly typical headcount of butterflies. That is no different to many gardens where Brugs are being grown.
A clue came this week... ... ...
Our next-door neighbours are having a renovation / extension to their home. For this to occur, permission was granted for a very large White Cedar (Melia azedarach) to be removed. This tree would be close on sixty years old and had various growth inclusions etc resulting in decay. For those who know this plant, you will be aware of the White cedar moth (Leptocneria reducta) that in its caterpillar stage of life is a predator of the deciduous foliage.
http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~don/larvae/lyma/reducta.html
OK...
Lunch time today, we were counting our blessings that the decaying old tree was gone along with its myriad hairy inhabitance! Within the next breath, suddenly the thought came, could the Brug insect pollinator be the adult (moth) of the dreaded hairy beastie?
Lots of interesting things to ponder and throw open for feedback here!
Firstly, will we have similar pollination of Brugmansia next season / year, considering the host tree is now removed? My guess is that the next generation of adult moths are pupating, developing in time to emerge unaware of the fact that the host tree where their next generation will feed has gone. Therefore given that certainty, it is logical to presume that the adult moths will emerge, feed on nectar / pollinate Brugs and then mate. Sadly for them, no host tree will exist for the next emerging generation of caterpillars!
Second thought is, does anyone else have a white cedar growing nearby that could be responsible for a population of pollinating White cedar moths? If so, what have you found regarding seedpod formation occurring?
Third thought, is if proof is discovered that white cedar moths can readily pollinate Brugmansia, is this a positive or negative consideration for hybridists given the desire to grow selected cvs for Australia?
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 14, 2009
07:02 AM Post #6685107
| Wayne,I think it could just as easily be(or more likely) hawkmoths pollinating your brugs.I often see them here in the early evening or early morn flitting from flower to flower.
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http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~don/larvae/sphi/sphingidae.h...
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 16, 2009
07:55 PM Post #6697799
| Wayne I have a large White Cedar tree too but I have seen the Black Cockatoos attacking the horrendous black creatures that march all over the place ...perhaps they eat most of them.
I took a picture of this because I think it is interesting. Remember how I have found seed pods on my Frosty Pink that I did not pollinate ...and Alistair did too years ago ...well after having a good look and mind you it's only a guess, but it just may be that the difference in the pollinations is due to the actual female stigma size. Monika said it is only "sticky" for a short time ...well being a very curious person I went on a Stigma hunt and found that the hybrid blooms stigmas are huge! compared to the species and Frosty Pink ...it just may be that the larger Stigma thingy may require a lot more pollen than the smaller ones ...hence a bee or small moth may be enough to pollinate them, while the larger ones may need more pollen to cover the larger sticky area.
Look at the size of this larger stigma it is three or maybe four times the size of the species or Frosty Pinks stigma. hmmmm.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 16, 2009
08:10 PM Post #6697877
| To everyone experiencing die back in the cold ...don't disgard the plants remember they throw up suckers from underneath. watering them in the cold is the biggest enemy.
Thanks for the feedback on Fire Fighter angel ...it is powering away from the stub I left on it and is up to over three feet with many healthy leaves ...no shelter but is against a southern fence and faces North so it gets warmth during the day. I am very pleased with it.
I will be busy for a few days but will try to check in every night. We have more showers coming so we will get a break with the frost here ...I am very sorry to hear you are so cold up your way Judy I remember the damage done a couple of years back ...
to all of you *good luck* with your plants, they are tougher than we give them credit for and most will be just fine. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 17, 2009
09:52 PM Post #6703275
| It is cold but sunny here ...look at Fire Fighter Angel go for it's life, beautiful strong leaves ...no flinching at the cold yet ... 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 17, 2009
09:59 PM Post #6703300
| jean's Glass house Angel is still full of buds and is holding it's pods and still growing the new ones too ...this is an amazing plant! 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 17, 2009
10:13 PM Post #6703355
| Many of my first American crosses have now y'd and there are lots of buds that will be no doubt green or drop off but ...boy oh boy Spring will be exciting! look cestrum here amongst my latest baby brug seedlings is your beautiful Brisbane lily about to open ...needless to say I am thrilled (never seen one before in real life ...this isn't the normal time is it?) any way thanks a bunch!
For anyone unfamiliar with the Brisbane lily ...
http://www.anbg.gov.au/gnp/gnp14/proiphys-genus.html
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 17, 2009
10:25 PM Post #6703419
| Good to see your brugs holding up so well, Chrissy. Mine still have their seedpods, but they seem to have stopped maturing. They'll probably mature in spring.
The Brisbane lily must be what I call the Euchrist lily. (I don't think it's called the Brisbane lily here; sort of like 'Chinese food' isn't called that in China:-) ) I don't quite recognise it without its leaves. Mine is hidden in dense shade so I doubt that it's flowering, but a friend has a large pot of it on a sunny veranda and it did flower recently. A period of dryness followed by watering/rain will trigger a flush of flowers. You'll get several flushes of flowers over the year if you withhold watering for a while after it finishes flowering, and then start watering it again. (But I'd let it survive on rain in cold weather.) It was fairly dry here and I gather that you've had a lot of rain, so that dry/wet cycle has probably triggered the flush of flowers in bulbs that were already flowering size. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 17, 2009
10:27 PM Post #6703428
| I forgot to say that spring will be exciting for us all, with so many hybrids about to flower for the first time. I've got about a dozen of Alastair's seedlings that should flower then: no doubt I'll have many shades of white :-) |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 17, 2009
10:29 PM Post #6703439
| One of my seedlings full of buds 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 17, 2009
10:45 PM Post #6703523
| ha ha ha that is what I thought too! (not that the whites are not beautiful so long as it smells heavenly and has tendrils) but my second seedling was a double/ triple yellow and the third was a very pretty pink with beautiful tendrils ...so out od 4 was a nice but not outstanding white carrying great genes second was the Fire Fighter Angel ...third Butterfly by Adeline ...pink ...4th georgeous "green /white" with very long tendrils and once again great genes so it is an adventure you wouldn't miss for quids! yes it will be very very exciting! I expect some great yellows and oranges from Glass House Angel who is bearing Butterbomb and Fire Fighter pods and Butterbomb is bearing GHA and FFA pods. The fragrances we should get from that combination will be outstanding and both plants do well in the heat and grow strongly.
Sorry I am rambling ...congratulations on your seedlings ...I am excited for you =)
...I have to get back to work now so see you later. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 17, 2009
10:48 PM Post #6703535
| I've always found these hybrids more interesting than the named cultivars, probably because we have so few of the latter that the real potential lies in hybridising. Plus, it's just so exciting to see what nature throws up ... |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 17, 2009
10:52 PM Post #6703552
| Me too I just crept back to say your cannon ball seedlings go out into the sun when it is out and come back in under the verandah at night and go into a polystyrene box with lid to keep them warm ...so far so good ...all are happy and well ...:) |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 17, 2009
10:59 PM Post #6703588
| You're more conscientious than I am; mine stay in the mini-greenhouse, up against the house. Despite the really cold nights. They still look healthy, though. |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
June 18, 2009
03:00 AM Post #6704182
| Thanks Judy and Chrissy for your thoughts regarding natural pollination. Sorry for not getting back sooner, I have had a "bug" myself most of last week.
Chrissy, FFA is doing just fine as is your USA seedling.
Too many pods to list here, so will wait until ripe and share for trial.
Keep warm!!!! :)
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Coldoll
sydney
Australia
June 19, 2009
02:49 AM Post #6709428
| I've read most of the many posts on brugs. I have 8 plants (acquired only 4 months ago), all but 2 in pots. Two look a big sick, as if something is eating them, but I've sprayed and can't find anything. When do they flower, and do they lose their leaves in Sydney winter, it has been so cold this year.l I have a smallist garden shed and could probably squash them all in together for the remainder of the season.. What do you all think? I need advice. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 19, 2009
03:40 AM Post #6709457
| Hi Coldoll ...if it gets very frosty where you are, a bit of shelter under a tree or verandah should be ok ...the thing to watch is too much water (we have had constant rain where I live). Make sure you use a very well draining mix in the pots.
Even after a big freeze a couple of years ago the plants were ok, sometimes frizzled but still ok.They can behave like deciduous plants and drop their leaves.
What kind do you have? the "good old Sydney Apricot" and some of the old whites are very tough others need to be placed in the warmest sheltered micro climate you can find (near a warm brick wall under eves would be perfect for your potted plants.
The leaves may be stressed from the cold and that makes them more apt to be attacked by insects or mites.
Don't be shy with your questions ...and welcome to the world of Angels trumpets.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
June 19, 2009
06:05 PM Post #6712088
| Hello Coldoll. welcome to the Angel world. My Angels do well down here in the cold. I have them along the wall of the shadehouses but there is still a lot of weather on them. They have lost a few leaves but are still actively growing.
Chrissy, I am amazed at the vigour of GHA 8 . It is still growing and putting up more buds. The wind has bashed a few leaves but nothing seems to worry it. I have given all the plants numbers so there is no confusion over names . I still use the initials for GHA8 but she has a number after them now. I have finished getting all my Angels written in my new file book. I intend to keep a track of how each grows and any problems plus descriptions of the flowers . It is so easy to forget what happened the previous year without notes. I hope it will help any other growers in colder areas too. Looking at the size of GHA8 now, I will be able to supply cuttings to those wishing to try it later in spring.
Jean. |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 19, 2009
09:27 PM Post #6712860
| G'Day
Two more seedlings of Chrissy mystery seeds have germinated and been promoted to the Brug palace. The germination is certainly unpredictable one would think that given the same treatment they would germinate at roughly the same time.
Do they do this in warmer places or is the haphazard germination the result of artificial growing conditions?
Brian |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 19, 2009
09:50 PM Post #6712952
| Stake, I believe that while growing conditions (season, warmth, humidity etc) influence seed germination, so does the individual nature of the seed. So you can expect different species/hybrids to germinate at different rates even under the same conditions.
Chrissy, the friend who gave me the original Eucharist lilies says that they are not Brisbane lilies. I've Googled 'Brisbane lily' and found it refers to Proiphys cunninghamii, or other species of Proiphys (aka Eurycles). It seems to look similar to the Eucharist lily but is definitely not it. Only thing we can't establish is what species of Eucharis we have: whether it's E. amazonica or E. x grandiflora. Because my friend has always known them as 'Eucharist' lilies and not 'Amazon' lilies, I suspect they're grandiflora.
Anyway, they're not Brisbane lilies, which are Australian natives and apparently quite rare even here in Australia. (See a pic at http://www.bullockcreeknursery.com.au/proiphys-c.htm and more info at http://www.anbg.gov.au/gnp/gnp14/proiphys-genus.html)
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
June 19, 2009
09:54 PM Post #6712968
| Hi Coldoll, wow 8 new Brugs! You really have jumped into "Brugmania"! :)
Are any of the plants named varieties?
Yes, it has been cold and then the rain here in Sydney. The advice already given by Chrissy and Jean is all good. Some Brugs are as tough as old boots, others quite tender. I have found the old double white the hardiest of them all. Ours here at Pennant Hills, has great lichen growing all over the 12 year old wood. Each year the frost covers it, yet no real damage. On the other hand, the old apricot which is also tough, was wiped out here a few years back. Micro-climate is the key!
Snails are still active here. Baby snails are a real pest as they are hard to remove.
How do other growers find Aurea cvs? Ours are all very tough, frost hardy compared with the suaveolens types.
Good luck with your new plants Coldoll.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 20, 2009
04:31 AM Post #6713889
| excuse me for being off topic for a moment ...cestrum ...isn't that interesting, because the first site I googled for the E. Lily called it Brisbane Lily too (when I first got it from you) ...looking at the different pictures I can't really tell but it looks the most like the Brisbane lily to me (though like lots of things you need to see these things in person ). Probably there is some confusion over it in general up Brisbane way. It has a golden centre.
Here is a morning shot
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 20, 2009
04:33 AM Post #6713890
| night shot with leaves (but remember it is quite cold here.) 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 20, 2009
04:36 AM Post #6713893
| and very wet (what else is new!) it has been in full sun because of the cold. What do you think? ...sorry I don't know how to zoom the pics. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 20, 2009
04:39 AM Post #6713899
| Wayne your white double is laughing at the cold weather ...growing well here too, so are your babies, still lush and green. 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 20, 2009
04:44 AM Post #6713902
| Chrissy, if those flower pics are from the bulbs you got from me, then they are definitely Eucharis species. (Just not sure whether they're E. grandiflora or E. amazonica; probably the former.) I checked mine today; they're in deep shade and the buds haven't opened yet. Edited to add: but your pics do look like mine did when in flower.
Edited again for sense!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 20, 2009
05:22 AM Post #6713914
| Yes I think it was a blog that said it was also known as Brisbane lily, your bulbs were E Lily labelled ...I knew nothing about them so I googled, that will teach me to do more research ...I having had a good look now (was looking for golden throat) think it is this one ...
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/156051/ |
Budgieman
Sydney
Australia
June 20, 2009
05:47 AM Post #6713931
| Sussex Brug has taken to it's new environment and has new growth.
Can I have flowers now please or do I have to wait until this ridiculous season finishes?
What a waste of time this season is. Should be Spring, Summer, Summer, Autumn!
Stay tuned for more developments.
Steve |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 20, 2009
05:58 AM Post #6713944
| You may regret it steve because once you inhale that heavenly fragrance and see your first trumpets you will be sucked right into the World of Brugmansias ...they are not called Angels trumpets for nothing ...heavenly is the word |
Budgieman
Sydney
Australia
June 20, 2009
06:18 AM Post #6713960
| EXACTLY what I need Chrissy! (the smell I mean - not another obsession)
Bring on Spring!!!!!!!!
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 20, 2009
06:56 AM Post #6714017
| Chrissy if you smell the scent of the Eucharis Lily then smell the Brug Tantra ...you would not be able to tell them apart, if you were blindfolded that is!!The scent is so heavenly...
Heres a pic of Fire Fighter Angel today...it is doing really well in a very sheltered position.
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 20, 2009
07:00 AM Post #6714024
| This is one of my Cardwell Lilies, the leaves are yellowing ready for it's winter rest. My other has already lost it's leaves. 
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 20, 2009
07:03 AM Post #6714039
| Wayne, Here are some of the cuttings you sent me,they too are doing really well, so well infact that the roots are already growing out of the bottom of this large pot.
Bucks Fizz
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 20, 2009
07:06 AM Post #6714041
| From Wayne again.
Pink Panther
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 20, 2009
06:44 PM Post #6716431
| Chrissy, I don't think you can tell the species of Eucharis apart by the flowers; I think it's the size of the plant overall (one is slightly larger than the other.) But I agree that it is most likely to be grandiflora.
Two summers in succession? Heat, humidity, killer sun for most of the day, mosquitoes--aaarrggghhh! I'd prefer spring, then just as it starts to get unbearable, autumn, then just as it starts to get too cold, spring again, and so on :-) |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 20, 2009
07:53 PM Post #6716699
| it's wet it's grey and it's very very foggy here ...temp at around 15C at about 9.30 am so that isn't too bad at all ...for now.
I think your humidity may be worse than ours but I am not sure ...high heat and humidity tends to boil the flowers (Angels) before they are born in high Summer. Spring usually only lasts 5 mins and then it's over ...then it's the long wait until Autumn and Winter, the last two years have been crazy just rain rain rain ...no sun except for a few killer days when the poor plants boiled at 44C/45C ...but recovered very quickly. When stressed they drop leaves and buds but quickly replace them with lush new growth and eagerness to bloom, in essence in the very hottest and the very coldest of times the Brugs will sulk but not for long ...
Wayne re Aureas I find them a bit hard to strike, but once they do ...they perform better than all of the others. (only my opinion).
I think the aureas are a bit prone to rot off (cuttings) in humid heat, I think I remember reading that they are more likely to be open to bacteria than the other cuttings. I must go back and check ...
Right now the Arboreas are lovely and the flowers last for ages ...each one is well over a week old and still pretty so they are lovely for the Winter garden. I am working on seeds for everyone. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 25, 2009
06:30 PM Post #6738610
| Look what is happening ...at last these lovely plants are becoming available and known to the Australian gardener ... .This is wonderful news.
http://www.tesselaar.net.au/plant-nursery/limited-edition/pa...
GHA is an aurea ...I bet my life that's it. Everyone wanting to breed Brugs should have one.
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MyaC
Magnetic Island
Australia
(Zone 11)
June 25, 2009
07:04 PM Post #6738732
| Notice Chrissy, that they won't sell to QLD...why is that?????? |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 25, 2009
07:39 PM Post #6738858
| Who knew Tesselaars had brugs? I always knew them as a mail-order bulb seller. Must be branching out, so to speak. Edited to add: I see that they're willing to ship strawberries to Qld, unlike Diggers.
Odd how so many online retailers say they can't send plants to Qld for quarantine reasons. I understand about bananas ... but brugs? I would have thought it would be the other way around--stop plants from Qld entering other states in case they bring fruitfly, fire ants, cane toads etc. Ah well, there's always ebay :-)
Stake, the big seedpods on my various brugs still haven't ripened, but I have two more ripe (withered, really) versicolor seedpods and my first ripe Golden Aztec (suaveolens) seedpod. Do you want me to post them now, or wait a month or two until the other seedpods ripen? If the Golden Aztec is like its white suaveolens cousin, its seeds should germinate like grass!
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
June 25, 2009
07:48 PM Post #6738905
| Chrissy. my GHA8 and GHA9 both have even more buds coming and flowers open. I notice that the perfume is around all day unlike the other angels . The flowers are slightly paler due to cold but still beautiful. I will be able to give cuttings to those who wish for a piece from her . I found the cuttings grew very quickly with no problems. Chrissy, the ones you have are yours to do with as you wish. I have named mine as above with just initials and no. for file reference. As Alistair mentioned, we don't want confusion with names not registered. I now have all mine numbered and will continue this as I breed from seed. I will label any cuttings sent to anyone with my number so there is always a reference back to me for any info.
i am trying to add plant details for each one, ( leaf , calyx type, flower etc ) I am also adding any known parentage as a help with crossing.
Chrissy , your FireFighter angel is still going along slowly. I am hoping it will really take off when the warm weather gets here.
It has been very cold here and all my angels seem to be coping well. The lower leaves yellow and fall off but the upper growth is all strong and green. I notice too that even with heavy showers of rain, the plants still need water as the large leaves shelter the pots. I am continuing to feed lightly with Thrive as they are still growing. I have a couple in the ground which are doing very well also.
Jean.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 25, 2009
09:15 PM Post #6739269
| Jean, you're being admirably methodical in your approach :-)
I find that rain means that my potted plants take longer to dry out, but they eventually still need hand watering.
BTW, is there any way you can edit your details to show which state Merino is in? I can never remember (for long). |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 25, 2009
11:32 PM Post #6739953
| Mya ...re the catalogue ...KK bought it to my attention so I passed it on just to show that the angels are in a catalogue.
re about sending the plants to QLD ...I have no idea why that would be except perhaps something in the growing medium may be harbouring some bugs or fungus that may become a triffid in QLD conditions. I think cuttings are different, but don't know for sure.
Re your names for GHA ...jean I didn't mean you should change it's ID ...just pointing out that I think it is an Aurea (almost pure I reckon) so that should be a wonderful parent. I was wondering why you have GHA8 and GHA9 does that mean you have 2 different ones? which one do I have ? ...I love it lots! and yes that perfume wafts around during much of the day unlike many that only smell beautiful early morn and dusk/evening.
cestrum I have two pods growing on my arboreas one has your name on it. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 25, 2009
11:34 PM Post #6739960
| Sounds good, Chrissy.
The way I've been planting trees, I'm destined to end up living in a treehouse. Who needs modcons anyway :-) |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 26, 2009
12:20 AM Post #6740076
| Look at the brug in the left of the photo. It's the Ecuador Pink, and the branches are weighed down by the seedpods on them. Some of the pods are touching the ground! To its right is the apricot Versicolor, still flowering despite getting a little singed by the frost two weeks ago. (You can see the damaged fronds of the banana at left--it hates frost.) 
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
June 26, 2009
12:49 AM Post #6740120
| Sorry Chrissy. am I being confusing. The GHA are all from the one mother plant. I just gave mine a different number each but with the same initials so I would know which particular plant I was writing details for. i will have to work on my system. Its mainly for my own benefit so i can chart progress of each individual plant. If I just put Frosty Pink, I won't know which Frosty plant among 6 or so. . I agree that GHA is definitely an Aurea , looking at all the info available on them. I was just out there and you can smell the perfume just walking past. Hubby says it smells a bit like caramel to him.
Cestrum, I do hope my Ecuador and versi grow like yours. . The one of mine with the most flowers was the white Suavoleons. It is only around 2' high in the pot but has Y'd so much that the spread is about 1 M across. It had over 60 flowers during the late summer / autumn and now has a few pods which I hope stay on.
Jean.
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Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 26, 2009
08:19 AM Post #6740685
| G'Day Cestrum, If you think the others will be ready in the next few weeks then wait but if it looks like being months you might as well send the other down so I can get them planted in the little hot bed.
Brian |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
June 26, 2009
05:27 PM Post #6742612
| Chrissy, the noted "aurea" in the Tesselaar catalogue is the same one I sent you from here. I think I labeled it from Sr. Anne. Can't remember. However it is the same plant as Anne received it via a friend who purchased it at Tesselaar's. We are fairly sure that it is not the species aurea, but an un-named cultivar.
The other aurea I sent you was from Alistair and had been mistaken for 'Goldenes Kornett'. It is an aurea x noid. Very nice and has that slight Sambucca fragrance that my "Giant" has taken on to a greater extent! :))
The double white is again our old double white. Earlier this year I was trawling Sydney gardens for any double whites to send down to MM for Alistair to trial. The idea was that perhaps all were grown from the same old clone. That trial as far as I know is underway. The double white offered is the same one my mum has grown for over forty years. We purchased one from Tesselaar's some years back to note if any difference. Nothing significant to note.
One of the pinks offered is "Colin", the one I sent to you. This is one of a few plants often mislabeled as 'Frosty Pink'. The other pink looks much the same.
All of the above are easy to grow and strike well from cuttings.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 26, 2009
09:11 PM Post #6743510
| Stake, I'll post them on Mon or Tues because the other seedpods are likely to mature even more slowly as the winter nights get colder here. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 26, 2009
09:42 PM Post #6743650
| Wayne, I have one of those old whites from my mother's garden. They're the most common brug grown in Melb. (Here I can't decide whether the most common brug is the apricot Versicolor, the white suaveolens or yellow aurea seedlings, because you so rarely *see* them in people's gardens, although they're there. ) I posted a pic of my white one in flower on the Ausgarden website that I can't readily locate now, but Alistair thought from that photo that it might be Knightii. The one I have now was struck as a cutting last year and is still potted. If it flowers in spring I'll post a photo so that we can compare.
It is of course night scented, but I can't remember what type of scent (whether it's lemony or more like the traditional brug fragrance of the apricot Versicolor). |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
June 26, 2009
10:27 PM Post #6743820
| Hi Cestrum, you are right about the rare sightings of Brugs in gardens. I almost caused a car accident late last year, pulling over to park having seen a plant in full bloom! The plant was a white suaveolens. :))
B. Knightii is the plant in question, the old double white. I have seen it grow as far south as Launceston on a protected site. There is an old photo taken at Hobart Bot. Garden c.1900.
This photo is of another old plant I found growing in totally horrible conditions. Compacted soil void of any nutrient at an industrial site. Tough old thing! :))
I have it growing just as a keepsake up the backyard.
I think here in Sydney, the most common Brug seen would be the white suaveolens types. Usually unruly and woody in growth. Not an invitation to inspire people to grow! :(((
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 26, 2009
10:49 PM Post #6743911
| Very interesting info ...Wayne does the Aurea from the catalogue have toothed leaves? I ask this because the GHA aurea from Jean has oval roundish leaves and perhaps the tendrils are shorter too.
Here it is again in it's pale mode ...
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 26, 2009
10:55 PM Post #6743930
| And in it's final colour ... 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 26, 2009
11:08 PM Post #6743970
| Wayne, what do you think that white brug you're holding might be? I mean, what species do you think it might be? And what on earth is that mug (?) behind it? Full of ... brug cuttings?? It looks like you're drinking a toast ... of brug brew LOL
I know what you mean about the hazards of spotting something beautiful in full flower while driving. I had to buy a car shortly after moving to Bris from Melb. So my first spring in Bris I was almost overwhelmed by some streets that had tree-sized frangipanis, many of them with coloured blooms, in their front yards. (Very few houses in Melb can grow them to that side, and those that do are always white.) Definitely a driving hazard for me!
Chrissy, I'd be surprised if you can identify a particular aurea because they seem to have hybridised quite freely. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 26, 2009
11:17 PM Post #6743992
| Do you think the one called Collin may be "Flying Saucer" or "Gingham Pink" (said to be puckered like gingham fabric)
both looking a fair bit like Frosty Pink? hmmmm I guess we will find out when they bloom.
Right from the start the GHA has had very different leaves to the hundreds of leaves I have seen ...they were almost round to begin with then became a more oval sort of shape after blooming.Very velvet like and a bit more pale than most other leaves.
It's possible that many of the Brugs have different names as I have seen on Ann's site ...
http://www.elarishtropicalexotics.com/Plant-Browser.aspx?Gro...
since people are unfamiliar with this plant it is understandable that people have given them nicknames. We can try to sort it out when we compare them in flower ...look for different leaves and other things too.
Jean the GHA smells like butterscotch made with honey instead of sugar to my noise ...just a slight difference to Butterbomb, which is butterfudge made with honey.It may have a caramel note when the sun lifts the fragrance. Mouthwatering is the word.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 26, 2009
11:29 PM Post #6744047
| Yes you are right ...they seem very fertile =) ...well they are beautiful name or no name and GHA is certainly one to love! ...your crosses should be very interesting when grow up a bit ...
We have a lot to look forward to that is for sure.
Pssst on the Better Homes program on 7 last night Grahame Ross was planting up a Wedding Garden ...guess what one of the trees was? at about 6ft and in flower ...your champac alba ...I missed the place it was being done and also did not see where it came from we had a close up of the bloom. I am going to investigate when I feel better ...by the way the yellow ones are growing well ...I am very thrilled! thanks again.=)
and to you too Wayne ...wow can't wait until Spring. |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
June 26, 2009
11:37 PM Post #6744079
| Chrissy, I guess what has happened is exactly what might have been predicted here in Australia...
Lots of un-tracked cultivars.
The provenance of any plants we have is only as good as the word of the supplier. Buyer beware of catalogue names! Yes, comparison is the key.
Cestrum... Yes, that jug looks a bit sus!!!! :)))
No, I was not hitting the Brug Tea! :)))
The cuttings I took that day were trimmed and put into water. The jug is just a jug that looks like a "jug"! :)
Yes, a toast to Brugmansia. The photo was taken for identification via ABADS. Still not sure what it is.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
June 27, 2009
01:46 AM Post #6744427
| Wayne, I found a very straggly angel in the gardens at Portland and 'borrowed ' a piece as the flower on it was a white with 2 skirts. I have it in a pot and it is doing well so far considering its very cold here. Be interesting to see what it does in the warm. The tree was only very small and hidden behind other things, As the gardens are old ( around 1840 or so i think ) it may have been struggling there for many years. I took a piece above a Y so hope to see a flower later in summer. I will post a pic if it does. It may be one of the old whites you mentioned.
Chrissy, i am still amazed at how well the Angels are doing in the cold. None seems to be affected other than the odd old yellow leaf falling off. I am seeing noticilble differences in the Iochomas now though. Some Have smaller leaves and have grown to about 2' but some have longer thinner leaves and are still short. I would guess this is because of the different color varieties. More flowers to look forward to. Jean. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 27, 2009
02:50 AM Post #6744485
| If you had been hitting the brug tea, Wayne, you wouldn't be coherent enough to be posting messages :-) (Assuming you survived the experience!)
Chrissy, I do hope to get a Michelia alba this year. Apparently it is still 'in production'. Meanwhile, I have two small Michelia doltopa that I bought on ebay. They're both only about a foot tall but I hope they'll start growing in spring. They're supposed to be scented, but Macoboy in one of his books says that the fragrance can turn unpleasantly heavy towards the end of the day. I hope mine get large enough for me to judge for myself ...
Once your champacas are established, you should have no problem with them.
Edited to add: I've taped BH&G and will make sure I watch that segment.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 27, 2009
09:02 PM Post #6747387
| Ah, I saw it: Michelia champaca Alba. (Although it wasn't exactly white, more like cream.) Foliage identical to the species, but obviously flowers at a much smaller size. Probably because it's grafted. A tree that size full of blooms must have cost a few hundred dollars. Quite beautiful; wish I could have smelt it.
(BTW, that 'wedding cake'? Laughable.)
But ... the pronunciation? One of Macoboy's books has a pronunciation guide that shows it as Mih-shel-eea. But whatisname said it as My-keel--eea . How can a person ever keep track of *both* changes in names and pronunciation ... |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 27, 2009
11:30 PM Post #6747935
| Oh Wayne, I can so relate to your comment about nearly causing a car accident when pulling over to look at a Brug lol. I very narrowly missed hitting a wheely bin admiring a plant in someone's garden only for son in the car with me...I would have lol!! How many of us are guilty of doing the same thing,one of my favourite pastimes is driving around looking/admiring others gardens.I am a lot more careful now
Chrissy,the aurea cuttings I sent you some time back may have come from Yamina rare plants nursery http://www.yaminarareplants.com.au/ ...If I recall rightly the market vendor that sold me the original plant 5 or 6 years ago or thereabouts said he had purchased his from them ...so I am sure many of the same clones have been doing the rounds and maybe given 'names' by whoever. As Wayne says: 'The provenance of any plants we have is only as good as the word of the supplier. Buyer beware of catalogue names! '
Cestrum...Pronounciation of botanical names ...there is no correct or incorrect way of doing this and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 27, 2009
11:39 PM Post #6747953
| Funny you should mention them ...I was there looking for your M.Alba (cestrum) ... they have it at a reasonable price, but they won't ship for any order under 200.00. I noticed that they have just expanded their Angel range too ...*it seems they are becoming more popular .*
Many years ago I bought a Medlar from them, but had to leave it behind in my cottage garden. :( in those days there was no minimum buy.
Yes that looks like GHA ...but the leaves look different perhaps we need to compare Yours aren't yet flowering and the leaves look different ...I know that leaves can look different while in veggie type growth compared to above Y mature growth so that may explain why. We will wait and see.
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
12:23 AM Post #6748067
| Hmm,Yes I think they would prob sell a lot more if their minimum wasn't so high. I know I was searching sometime back for a rare plant and they were the only mailorder company at that time that had it...but I wasn't that desperate that I would purchase $200 worth just to get that one particular plant.I was prepared to buy a few of the same but not at that cost,so I just let it go and finally found it much cheaper elsewhere.Thankfully most mailorder companies don't have a minimum purchase amount of $200 or they would be selling themselves outa business quickly!! |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 28, 2009
12:38 AM Post #6748108
| Brical1 I think you are wrong about pronunciation of botanical names. There is an accepted way of saying names that if not followed can cause as much if not more confusion than the poor old common names, that seem to get the blame for all sorts of problems. We do of course have variations caused by accents but the above name must be keela because CH = K but the My or Mee variation can be caused by accent.
Brian |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
12:59 AM Post #6748167
| Brian,We will have to agree to disagree on this one. I still stand behind what I have just said. There is no right or wrong way to pronounce botanical names. Not all have been derived from Latin either. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
01:25 AM Post #6748214
| The classic mispronunciation (that I know of) is cotoneaster. Some people insist that it's pronuounced like the two words that make it up (cotton + easter), but the references I've looked at show it as co-tone-ee-aster.
Anyway, the $200 min. at Yamina is the *only* reason I haven't bought a Michelia alba from there. I'd willingly pay the price they're asking for one plant, expensive though it is, but that minimum purchase sticks in my throat. Now if they had an artabotrys, I might be tempted :-) |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 28, 2009
02:46 AM Post #6748300
| Brical
Not all have been derived from Latin either. I'm not sure why you made this statement but the plant names are either ancient Greek or Latin or Latinised versions of the name used. Having said that I have always had the concern that no one alive has ever heard ancient Romans or Greeks speaking so how do they know how a word is pronounced. The trouble with Cestrum's illustration is that the word is not made up of "Cotton" and "Easter" and if it was what does the botanical name then mean? That it produces Cotton at Easter? Presumably for the Easter Bunny to make a nest to put the Easter Eggs in. If I could find my Nomenclature book I could tell you what it does mean, perhaps someone else can tell us.
Brian |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
03:34 AM Post #6748330
| Nothing to do with Easter (that I know of). But that's what it looks like (in English), so that's how it has been widely pronounced. Like most home gardeners, there are many botanical names that I have never heard pronounced (ie seen only in print). My point was, I can't keep track of pronunciations *and* species reclassifications! Apparently all michelias have been reclassified as magnolias , so I guess I shouldn't have to worry about this particular pronunciation ...
BTW, is it only in Qld that people say 'seck-a-tairs' instead of (what I've always known as) 'seck-a-turs'? |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 28, 2009
04:02 AM Post #6748335
| They're a weird mob in Qld. My younger brother has lived up there for about 30 yrs and he reckons all of us (in SA) speak like "Poms". Unfortunately we do seem to be developing regional dialects (but). Our pruners are usually pronounced "Secatears" and the "Cassels" and "Carsels" are always a reason for poking fun at each other.
Seriously back to the botanical names. They can be very useful in helping to ID plants if you have an understanding of nomenclature. In this particular thread we have "Aurea" meaning like gold and "Suaveolens" sweet smelling.
Brian |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
04:18 AM Post #6748349
| Look what I found today hidden away. My first yellow suaveolens which Mya gave to me last year.Is only a small plant approx 50cm.,but what a delight!
Aztec Gold
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
04:29 AM Post #6748352
| Chrissy here is my Eucharis Lily today.They are a beautiful bulb and can be bought at a much cheaper price than what is found on ebay.. 
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Kaelkitty
Adelaide
Australia
(Zone 10a)
June 28, 2009
04:51 AM Post #6748361
| Hi all,
Here's my 2C worth on pronunciation. Short vowels & hard consonants for most things, the exceptions are usually plant names derived from a persons name where the pronunciation should follow the name. This is why Clivia should be pronounced KLY-vee-uh, because it is named for Lady Charlotte Flornetina Clive, an 18th century Duchess of Northumberland, instead of the frequently heard alternative pronunciation: KLIV-ee-uh, which would otherwise be correct under the short vowel rule. Nevertheless, I am not going to get precious about it - there is still a fair bit of leeway, and the most important thing is that we WRITE the names correctly, given that we are not talking to each other verbally anyway!
We do have a very good pronunciation and meaning guide here on DG - go to the plant files page of the name you are unsure of saying and click on the (Info) links! Botanary is cool! http://davesgarden.com/guides/botanary/
Oh, and by the way
| Quoted: |
Botanary: Cotoneaster
Search Botanary:
Meaning: Like a Quince
Pronunciation: kot-on-ee-ASS-ter
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So there you go!
Ciao, KK. |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 28, 2009
05:10 AM Post #6748370
| G'Day KK,
I don't get that quince bit. If the plant is Quince like shouldn't the name be something along the lines of "Cydonioides".
Meet you in the Tea Room and we'll have a cuppa and continue the discussion.
Brian |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
05:47 AM Post #6748390
| As I stated before there are no right or wrong/hard and fast rules to botanical pronounciation.Just as Brachychiton is often(correctly?) pronounced as Brak ee ky ton by some,me included, it is not hard to understand another who pronounces it as Brak ee chy ton. The same goes for Clivia ..or Bromeliad..or.Solanum...oh I could go on and on but really imo it is all pointless...I for one am not going to 'correct' anyone who happens to have a different pronounciation of a botanical name to myself.English will always be pronounced differently where ever you go ,whether from one state to another or another english speaking country..
I will now get down from my soap box and make no further comments. Amen!!
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
05:10 PM Post #6750518
| Just as well nobody can hear how I pronounce plant names in my head LOL
I can't believe your Aztec Gold is flowering! And such a good colour, in winter? Mine just has seedpods. Only the apricot Versicolor is still in flower ... and one potted aurea Golden Butter. The parent GB finished flowering about 6 weeks ago. The fragrance of the Versicolor can be smelt throughout the day, which never happens in the warmer months.
Stake, I split open the two ripe seedpods of the apricot brug and opened some of the seeds: they were all empty! I think in these seedpods, only the largest seed might be fertile. But all these were small, so I threw them out. So I'll be sending (today or tomorrow) to you seeds of Aztec Gold and the Golden Butter, all of which look big and healthy. Still, I sowed about 30 seeds of the GB (from an earlier pod) on 5 May and only 4 germinated, so will be interesting if you get the same result. Of course, there'll be a lot more seeds when all those large seedpods finally mature.
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Stake
Barmera
Australia
June 28, 2009
08:23 PM Post #6751289
| Thanks Cestrum. Regarding pronunciation I think we all have trouble with unfamiliar words whether they are plant names, medicines or insecticides etc.
One of my medications is Trandolapril which I pronounced Tran-doh-lapril my Dr pulled me up quick smart and said ":It is Tran- dol- a- pril" so I guess the medical profession consider pronunciation important.
Brian |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
08:29 PM Post #6751308
| Unlike legible handwriting, which they apparently consider supremely unimportant :-)
BOM is forecasting a top of 28 deg. here on Wednesday. Unbelievable. What I don't know yet is what the overnight minimum is going to be; I fear that it must be near freezing for the day to be so warm. Will be interesting to see how well the seedpods survive if their branches get frosted. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
11:10 PM Post #6751870
| Here are immature seedpods on my white suaveolens. As Chrissy said, even though the bees swarm over the flowers of this brug, they don't seem to be able to pollinate all. All these pods were paintbrush-pollinated; until I did this, I never had a seedpod on it, despite the bees and the presence of other brugs in the garden. (In fact, in its first year, it was growing in a line of different flowering brugs, so if the bees were going to pollinate it, they would have done it then.) 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 28, 2009
11:16 PM Post #6751897
| And here are the seedpods from my white versicolor seedling that was grown from seed sown in autumn of last year. They look like fat sausages! 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 29, 2009
12:58 AM Post #6752241
| Well done! what were the crosses can you remember? try to keep track with some sort of tag ...I write a journal with date, cross etc ...it helps when you come to harvesting and growing.
I am so loving to see seed pods here in Australia ...never knew there was any such a thing until a couple of years ago. We can compare pod shapes at a later date ...from what I have seen (stressing only my observation) the "fatter" the fruit the more Aurea . So if your plant normally has long thin pods and now has much fatter pods (I mean at least fatter than the short chunky suavoelens). No set rules though |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 29, 2009
01:34 AM Post #6752355
| Oh yes, this pod is definitely fatter and shorter than the one that produced the parent plant. Alas, I was paintbrushing anything and everything without keeping track--I'm sure the pets were pollinated at some stage too LOL I'll keep track next season when I do it *properly*. All I know is that the parent plant that produced that seedling was the apricot Versicolor, which was open pollinated--almost certainly with my aurea Golden Butter, given what brugs I had in my garden then. (See, Stake: not all my versicolor seeds are duds. Just 99% of them!) But who knows what pollen produced these tubby pods!
The only hybrids whose parentage is assured are Alistair's seedlings. Those will have impeccable records :-) |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 29, 2009
01:56 AM Post #6752407
| I was a bit like that at the beginning because I did not think it would really work (luckily for me my first crosses were Old Sydney Apricot x white suavoelens and visa versa (that is all I had in flower). Next cross was Frosty Pink x White suavoelens etc ...I started in earnest once I had hybrids to try out. It was a confidence builder to know we can do it ...so then I bought the American crosses ...*next step* ...American crosses x Australian crosses.
Mya will do the German crosses no doubt, and hopefully there will be lots of Aurea going on, it's all good so exciting.
Wayne ...wow thankyou for the seeds (triple yellow datura =) ...I will plant them as soon as the frosts finish ...do you still want the single datura? I had forgoten all about them, it sure brightened my Monday ...after an icky week.
Love that Salvia too ...do you have the red? I have the red g., type. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 29, 2009
02:16 AM Post #6752450
| Oh, yes, Mya's German seedlings (so long as they survive their first winter) will be properly documented, along with Alistair's :-) |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
June 29, 2009
02:21 AM Post #6752454
| Just a passing mention re. the naming of brugs by sellers. I was in Mitre 10 today and there in front of me were Angels. I have never seen them in any shop before. I looked at the tags and they were from Yamina. I didn't write down all the names but one was a Candida cross with a name I haven't seen , one was an Aurea crossagain , I can;t remember the name and another was Red Hot Pink. There were also a couple of Sanguineas . All were about 18" - 2' tall and very scruffy. One of the candida crosses had a flower starting to open. I will take more notice next week when I go back.
I did have a chat with the lady there re the lack of any significant info on the tag about how much feed and water they like. I did warn her that the Sanguineas can be a bit iffy with the frost sometimes , so she will move them a bit under the shade sail. The price was $32 , so I guess with the shop markup, not too bad. Compared to the leaves and trunks on mine , they were very small and spindly.
Oh well. at least they are getting out there. i would hope that the growers did their homework on the names.
I do hope the poor things are quickly bought and given a good home as the area they are in is very windy and open in all the weather.
Jean.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 29, 2009
02:29 AM Post #6752463
| Wow! I don't know which shocks me more: that Mitre 10 has brugs, or that any plant from Yamina would turn up at Mitre 10. I guess M10 ordered more than $200 worth :-)
Of course, they're not a patch on *our* brugs! And ours are cheaper LOL |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 29, 2009
02:43 AM Post #6752477
| You beat me in there jean I was just about to say that you ...judy and Wayne are all charging ahead and doing very well ...Wayne has 2 worth naming in my opinion already.
I think there is a raising of the profile of this plant and it is creating some *demand* (sad to see not enough info being provided because a bit of knowledge is required).That is what I am trying to do, provide that info for new growers.
...perhaps Alistair has cleared out some of his stock(singles) because he wants to concentrate on making doubles/triples ...I think he has organized lots of new seeds to come in from his overseas trip where he spent time with the greatest Brug breeder in the World Monika in Germany. I am only guessing because we haven't heard much ...I know his book will be out soon so start saving your pennies everyone. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
June 29, 2009
02:55 AM Post #6752494
| Re Yamina ...they probably couldn't ship them out to anyone because it would irk folk to have a 200.00 min buy and add frieght to that!.This is why I am trying to get seeds going on the Iochroma ...it was daylight robbery! ...I really feel for Nurseries ...I know they have been doing it tough, but something is only worth what people will pay for it ...if you ask a huge price you may sell one or two to an avid collector ...however your stock will still be on the shelf at the end of the financial year. The average gardener should be able to afford a product, if it is to succeed. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
June 29, 2009
03:28 AM Post #6752508
| Chrissy, I guess Yamina is not aiming at the average gardener? In fact, they have a vested interest in their plants remaining exclusive, otherwise absolutely nobody would pay their prices, eg would you buy a Michelia figo from them for $22 when you could pick it up for a third of that at your local nursery, without paying freight?
Anyway, the crosses that everyone has started breeding are really exciting. I'm sure among us we'll develop a better selection than any single nursery! |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
July 01, 2009
07:16 AM Post #6762582
| Seed arrived, Thanks Cestrum.
Brian
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 01, 2009
05:33 PM Post #6764774
| So the envelope took only two working days to reach you ... less than the advertised time. Aust Post has done well! |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
July 01, 2009
07:40 PM Post #6765332
| That is quick, must have been the gale force winds that did it.
Brian |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
July 14, 2009
07:45 PM Post #6820015
| This is one of the pods forming on my 'Giant'. This plant was grown last year, a cross between 'Pink Panther' x un-named aurea cv.
I think this shaped pod is very similar to those forming in the pollen parent plant un-named aurea cv.
I am leaving all pods on the plants until winter passes. Please anyone out there who has the room to grow on seeds, please contact me. These will all be Aussie plants, never seen before with lineage notes given.
So be brave and adopt a pod! :))
Wayne Carter
flora.1@bigpond.com
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 14, 2009
08:35 PM Post #6820210
| Ha Ha Ha
Adopt a pod ...I love that!
Put me down for any leftovers ...you need to test in both cool and hot climates ...it's looking good!
Later on we can play swappa pod (when we all have pods)with those wanting to breed Brugmansias.
It is a good idea to keep this with the known growers here because some seeds are finding their way onto ebay with "borrowed pictures" I am not saying that is bad, or that you shouldn't buy them but we can keep the reliable breeds between us for now ...
Like you I will have many pods for Spring.
Good luck with the Angel orphanage.
Oh by the way Wayne, showers and small hail coming this arvo ...hopefully it won't come they are not always right.
Heavy frost this morning, Brugs are still ok just a few yellowed and falling leaves ...some have still grown while others are just sitting there until spring.
Bring it on!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 14, 2009
08:38 PM Post #6820214
| OOps forgot to say competition seeds going out next monday ...I like to make sure they are nice and dry before I send them out. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 14, 2009
08:43 PM Post #6820235
| 'Adopt a pod'? Marketing genius, Wayne!
'Adopt an orphanage (of mostly sterile seed)' would be what I'd have to call mine lol |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
July 14, 2009
09:27 PM Post #6820423
| Wayne, that's a great idea. If you have any spare seed when you harvest. I would like to try some.
As we have such a long cold spell down here, it would be a good trial for cold hardiness.
The best Angel of mine is, so far, my GHA which Chrissy and I think is almost a pure Aurea. She loves the cold and is still putting out buds. This is one of her flowers. Paler than the ones on the cuttings I sent Chrissy, but gorgeous.
Jean.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 14, 2009
10:04 PM Post #6820601
| I quite agree jean ...it is a real beauty!
can't wait to see what wonderful crosses it will produce ...laughed at heat /cold and even frost ...huge number of buds on it once again.
It's a little ripper!!!!!! |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
July 14, 2009
11:02 PM Post #6820931
| Jean thank you. I will have "legal guardianship" papers drawn up to send off with my little ones... :)))
Reminds me of "The Leaving of Liverpool" or should that read "Liverpod"?! :)
Jean, I guess I was a bit silly to go ahead with hybridising, knowing that in reality there would be nowhere to grow on here at home. My old days managing horticultural acreage / recreational space somehow got the better of me. We are not talking about little plants here with Brugs.
I count my blessings knowing that I have produced four new plants both name worthy and useful in the garden. As ABADS is basically out of action, I guess this forum of friends is a place that I can name them.
Judy and Chrissy (Godmothers! :) already know them as 'Coral Reef', 'Sr. Bertrille', 'Berocca' and 'Giant'.
All lovely, especially 'Coral Reef'. No favourites, I guess however 'Sr. Bertrille' AKA Sally Field is so pure white, crystalline and has massive "curls" taking flight from her cornet!
Jean, your 'Glass House Angel' is stunning. I love B. aurea. Yours is special Jean. I often wonder if it was named in regard to the wonderful Glass House Mountains in SE Qld or being raised in a "glasshouse" by you?
My humble thought is that B. aurea holds the genetic key for hardiness, bloom and worthiness as the main stream plant in Oz gardens.
Lets hope "the market" is not flooded by "seed" of unknown/mislabeled origin. Given the investment of time, space to grow and love in growing Brugmansia we will establish an Australian identity for this amazing Genus.
Here are the "sisters" once again...
'Berocca' and 'Sr Bertrille'
The "naughty and nice"... :)
A bit like the Patty Duke Show! :)))
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 14, 2009
11:54 PM Post #6821097
| Dammit, too busy to step outside with the camera but geez I think that GHA looks mightily like my Golden Butter. Strongest honey/almond smell. Too bad I can't remember where I got it or even whether it was grown from a cutting or seed! Will post pics later in the week ... |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
12:08 AM Post #6821140
| Glasshouse Angel is called that because jean was talking about a poor neglected angel who was squished into a corner of a glasshouse somewhere in Melbourne and she said it was there for a very long time and was told it was a versilcolor purchased from diggers over twenty/thirty years ago. So she begged a few cuttings and we excitedly watched as they grew calling it the glass house angel for convenience ... to find they were aureas instead of versicolor was amazing ...they may well be the same as your golden butter cestrum, so many things sold by the nicknames or guessed at. The only way to find out is to compare them ...if you don't have GHA already then I will send you some in the spring. Here is a picture of my GHA after three frosts (one last night) some yellowing but look at those buds do you recognize them or the leaves ...yours looking like this right now? 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
12:18 AM Post #6821172
| Another pic of GHA ...Taken this morning too after the frost 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
12:29 AM Post #6821192
| If anyone has a picture of Bert I would love to take a good look at it ...leaf and bloom. I think I remember seeing a picture of it that was very similar to GHA. The older the plants the less likely they are to have been hybridized because ...it just didn't happen except maybe by accident so many years ago. Most of what we have in the old department are pretty well untouched. I suspect most came from Botanical Garden specimens.
Wayne I love the way you think ...and I think an exquisite white is perhaps the finest representation of an "angels trumpet" yours is very beautiful.One day I hope to meet Coral Reef too.
I think Coral Reef and Firefighter Angel could make beautiful angels. |
pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
July 15, 2009
12:34 AM Post #6821204
| Hi Guys!! I've been lurking but too busy to post. I just planted out a new Angel bed with Firefighter and a few other new angels. Thinking of you all :)
Ann
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pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
July 15, 2009
12:37 AM Post #6821213
| Here's a two birds with one stone photo :) Brugs (Bruce's Pink) and Brom.
Ann
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
July 15, 2009
12:39 AM Post #6821216
| Thanks Chrissy, you saved me a bit of typing. I was just about to tell Wayne about our naming of GHA as I now call her. Maybe when we have a few more growers with her and see how she does we can go back to giving her the name again. I see that there are more overseas seeds being sold on eBay. It's shame that anyone could buy and then name them as something. Makes it hard to get a base going in this country but at least we on here can try.
Wayne your babies are gorgeous. I know what you mean about room as they are not small plants. I am keeping most of mine in pots fo better control of size. Chrissy your GHA leaves seem smaller than mine. My 2 both still have extra large leaves although looking very wind battered now. Each leaf is at least 20 - 30cm long . The new ones start smaller but quickly grow. Even some of my seedlings have large leaves . I notice the leaves on the Iochomas are starting to drop as new shorter leaves come . The fisrt leaves were quite long and soft but the newer growth is shorter and stiffer
I have just potted out another 12 Angel seedlings and there are around 20 or so to grow a bit more.
Hubby says when are we moving out to make room for the plants ? All my seedlings are in the lounge for at least another month.
Better go and sprinkle the darlings .
Wayne , if you can spare a cutting from your babies, I would love to add them to my lot.
This is suavoleons x and peach versicolor doing really well in their pots. Taken back in May.
Jean
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
01:13 AM Post #6821275
| Leaves may be different due to the plants growing from different parts of the mother plant ...juvenile leaves are different to the above the y leaves ...the above the y leaves are what my GHA has
the plant itself is over my head. I haven't fed it anything since it got cold (only seasol) because if the leaves are too lush when a frost comes ...it's a sure thing they will be vulnerable.
Hi Ann at last some tropical angels!
That new bed looks great ...I think those cordylines are a perfect compliment to the tropical angel look ...I bet this is your busiest time of the year, I hope it is a bit more comfortable than usual.
It has been pretty cold down here, but not impossible ...only three frosts so far.We have lots of things to look forward to in the next growing season, our water restrictions have been eased ...ha ha ha (we are up to our ears in mud )
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 15, 2009
05:34 PM Post #6823854
| Here's a recent pic of my yellow brugs (from left): Golden Butter X, Aztec Gold, Dr Seuss X. I've started putting crosses after the names of some as their identity seems to be in doubt, but the names are still useful to tell them apart. The Dr Seuss X flower is past its prime. As the flower is old, it's the darkest. 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 15, 2009
05:36 PM Post #6823863
| Here's a view from another angle (from left: GBX, DSX, AG). Wanted to add that all three of these brugs have a darker flower colour in winter. In summer, the two aureas (BDX, DSX) are pure yellow, and the suaveolens (AG) is almost white with just a tinge of yellow/cream. The aureas hold their flower shape in the heat but the AG collapses during the day in heat.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 15, 2009
05:37 PM Post #6823873
| And here's another angle (from left: GBX, AG, DSX). Forgot to add that both of the aureas (GBX, DSX) have the classic honey/almond smell, although DSX is not as strong. AG has the classic oriental scent of the suaveolens but not as strong as the old-fashioned white suaveolens.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
July 15, 2009
06:13 PM Post #6824032
| Cestrum, looking at your photos, I would guess that the darkest one in all the pics is the closest to my GHA. Chrissy would know better as she has probably seen them herself. Is that your Dr Seuss x ?
I have not had enough flowers yet to get all the different scents but GHA is certainly strong and very nice.
I will have to take a lot more notice this year as to which scents smell like what..
Chrissy, one of my seedlings from our last selection still has it's 2 strong trunks. I let it grow as it was to see how it would do. Both trunks are strong so in spring I will cut one back and plant as a large cutting.
Jean. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
06:32 PM Post #6824111
| To my eyes Golden Butter cross really does resemble GHA the most ...it has that inflated tube that gives it it's bell shape ...
here is that bell shape I am talking about
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
06:36 PM Post #6824132
| and the mouth 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
06:39 PM Post #6824138
| high temps pale creamy yellow 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 15, 2009
06:43 PM Post #6824159
| Ah, the distinctive bell shape. Nope, mine is definitely different. Here's another recent pic of the Golden Butter X. 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 15, 2009
06:51 PM Post #6824200
| And yet, it does look like your last posting--I just can't tell! Interestingly, a friend of mine has a cutting-grown plant from my GB. Hers is growing in a much sunnier spot than mine and is absolutely laden with flowers--the branches are literally weighed down to the ground by the weight of flowers on them. Also, not just the leaves but the flowers themselves are smaller than those on my plant (the clone!), and the flowers have less of the apricot/gold tinge than mine. All the result of growing in a sunnier (probably warmer) spot in a garden.
If there's so much variation in cloned plants growing only two or three km apart, what hope do we have of identifying plants from photos!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
07:00 PM Post #6824224
| Thanks so much for the shot with the different yellows ...that a wonderful way to show the differences.
Come Spring we can have some comparing shots ...
here is Butter Bomb from last season ...it's has lots of buds and new growth ...it's blooms dwarf the GHA ...it yells "move over the diva is in the house!" very similar but a litle more exotic in fragrance.
The Aurea screams it's head off in this too ...it also screams hybrid.It was a 42C day
I love it love love it love it.
I would bet that the GHA is almost pure.Just my opinion.
by the way I note the seller on Ebay (Australia) has fixed a few things ...but that Brugmansia Arborea in the picture is no Arborea like I have ever seen, so be a bit careful.
here is BB 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 15, 2009
07:15 PM Post #6824277
| I do like the aureas. Love the yellows. (I'll probably capitulate and get an orange brug too at some stage.) Their only drawback is that they seem to be the most prone to spider mites or whatever it is that distorts the leaves. (Except for that cream-coloured non-scented froggy aurea of mine: that one might have been insect resistant. I probably should have kept it for that reason ...) BTW, I sent you cuttings of Golden Butter X, didn't I Chrissy? (Did I?) Or was it Dr Seuss X? Or was it just my imagination! Just say if you want any cuttings of them ... |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
09:17 PM Post #6824678
| It was Doctor Seuss X...I would love some golden butter to compare, my aurea is in full sun and is not given as much fertilizer as the others because I remember alistair said he had better results with less feed around flower bud time with his Bert (Aurea) so I just gave it seaweed and cow poop. It is smothered in buds.
I suggest we all try the shade versus the sunny to get the real picture since I already have seen differences in those conditions.
The full Sun definately bleaches out the colours ...and the shade seems to enhance it, once again this can change too depending on the humidity ...food ...water and temps, glad to send you some ButterBomb it is a stunning plant ...Alistair excelled himself on that one ...it is slowly putting on enough growth to share (sending up shoots from beneath) Not a huge grower like the others it's said.
As mentioned before my husband had his customers raving about it as they walked past ...big huge mechanics ...car mad blokes all mad for it, the fragrance was mindblowing on a warm morning,like GHA it holds it's fragrance for a lot longer than the others ...on a temperate day you can smell it at various levels all day, I can't imagine how wonderful on a larger plant, GHA and BB were singing in harmony that morning and the guys went ape over them.
Quite a thrill really.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 15, 2009
09:44 PM Post #6824769
| Ah, hence my confusion. We can certainly do a swap when the weather warms up, and you can trial the different aureas (from across the country!) to see how they compare. I guess I can't resist the description of the scent of your Butter Bomb lol Just remind me when you're ready ... really, all the brugs get rave reviews when in full flower, as most people have never seen one. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 15, 2009
11:01 PM Post #6825134
| I agree ...you need to see it to understand the awe ... |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
July 16, 2009
01:02 AM Post #6825452
| May I please , please, please put in a request for cuttings of Butter Bomb and Dr Seuss.
I have one of my GHA plants in full sun and the other is next to a fence under a gum tree where it gets little sun and lots of wind. The flowers seem about the same on both.
I am going to move one and put it in the ground where it will get morning sun and wind shelter. The other will stay in a pot but as it has 2 strong trunks, I will use it for cuttings .
i can smell all your gorgeous flowers from here. So wonderful.
Yes Chrissy, I did explain to the eBay person . I wouldn't buy anything anyway when I can get the real thing from generous DG friends. How does Arborea do from cuttings ? . Did I see somewhere that it does better from seed or was that cuttings ?
Jean.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 16, 2009
01:40 AM Post #6825504
| I have tried every which way to grow it *arborea* from cuttings, layering etc, it just won't co operate! it seems to be just about impossible ...even all the "proper growers" can't do it, the *species* one that is.Come spring when the new growth starts I will send you some bits of it jean to try, it may strike in a different place ...doubt it though.
I have two pods holding on so hopefully we can get plenty of seeds going ...it is quite rare here I think ...even in the USA they are always looking for it. You are already on that list for BB. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 16, 2009
02:21 AM Post #6825555
| And in case anyone missed this ...the kind of invaluable information as given by the queen of angels Monika ...an old thread where they were striving to find out how to get a double brug via crossing ...it is due to this kind of hard work that I as a novice angel grower was lucky enough to get a coloured double/triple ... from a second Brenda Delphe cross seedling. All those years of crossing and trying ...this is a bit of a glimpse of the beginning here at daves garden ...the quest for beautiful angels.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/185991/
This may only be visible to subscribers, sorry if you can't see it.
cestrum, jean, wayne, mya and ann, hopefully you may find this very informative even if you have seen it before.
I am wondering if somehow my seedling was mis-labelled because Monika says to get a double the pod parent must be a double ...Firefighter Angel had a single parent and a double pollinater ...hmmmm? Ludgers Windsong by New Orleans Lady, it closely resembles New Orleans Lady perhaps it should have read New Orleans Lady x Ludgers Windsong.
I suppose it was so long ago things may have changed.
Arborea can be crossed with a sang.
Happy reading ...happy headache ( )
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 16, 2009
03:04 AM Post #6825584
| Did someone call for Dr Seuss? Actually, that should be Dr Seuss X, because we suspect he's an imposter. He's supposed to have trained overseas but we suspect he's been born and bred here, and probably never left the country at all :-)
I think Chrissy's Dr Seuss X cutting would be too small to propagate from, so I should be able to get a few unrooted cuttings when I start to prune in early spring, after the chance of frost is over. You might just have to remind me ... |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
July 16, 2009
08:20 AM Post #6825861
| G'Day Chrissy, The "Arborea" you write of above, I assume is a Brug. Is it a species or a bred plant? This is the area that I'm really interested in the propagation of difficult varieties rather than the breeding. If you have smallish pieces up to about 1/2 inch in diameter I would be interested to try the grafting. It would help to know which Brugs "Arborea" is most closely related to as this would make a good union more likely even more so if the species was grafted onto its own seedlings. That way the more desirable species could be propagated in reasonable numbers. Here my ignorance shows because Arborea might not produce much seed or more precisely viable seed. However I guess you will soon sort me out.
Brian
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 16, 2009
05:26 PM Post #6827961
| I have been assured this one is the species ... no hybrid.I got them from Alistair who is a Brug guru and knows his stuff.
Here is a link from the plant files ...scroll right down to the comment section ...interestingly this person who is describing the arborea has said you can grow it from cuttings that have been allowed to callous up before planting ...I admit that I have always planted them straight away. I still wonder about that ...back to the drawing board. Anyone who wants to try their luck with it (pieces) I will send you some in September when they are in the best condition ...
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2097/
There are hybrid Arboreas in the USA and Germany ...they breed with cool climate sangs and a couple of others as mentioned in the article. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 16, 2009
05:33 PM Post #6827981
| Monika in Germany has a hybrid or "sport' I can't remember which ...here it is
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/2819/
scroll down for description of the fragrance
Sorry that one did not have the description scroll down on this one
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2527/
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
July 17, 2009
06:03 AM Post #6829828
| Wayne,...I think Berocca and Sr Bertrille...are just delightful names ...and thankyou,I feel very honoured to be a Brug 'Godmother' lol!
Ann,Keep us updated with pics...It won't be long and your new Brug garden with be lushly powering away...will really be looking forward to seeing how the gorgeous' Fire Fighter Angel' does for you up there...I'm sure it will be a winner!!
Cestrum, Love your 'yellows'..
Chrissy,If you ever have seeds from your Arborea to spare ...could I please have a couple...I would just love to smell it's 4711 scent!!lol |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
July 17, 2009
07:06 AM Post #6829901
| Thanks Chrissy, I hope I can find a reliable method of propagation that should then make it easier for your breeding.
Brian |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 19, 2009
01:18 AM Post #6836885
| One of my arborea trumpets in bloom even after only 1C last night! 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 19, 2009
01:23 AM Post #6836897
| seedling number 5 ...look at the tendrils! ...I don't know how they untangle it all ...I chose the crosses for tendrils and perfume, I expect most to be white but it is thrilling to see these wonderful little tangles of tendrils unfurl ...I am hoping they carry them forward into their children next year. It was so very cold last night but all is well. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 19, 2009
01:29 AM Post #6836910
| and Glass House Angel is starting up ...pale and cold but but I can still smell it in the day ...wonderful! 
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No1grandma
July 20, 2009
10:54 PM Post #6844608
| Just wanted to show Wayne and Colleen pictures of their cuttings Sydney Apricot (Wayne) and Frosty Pink (Colleen)
These pics were taken only a few weeks after receiving them. A few days after this pic was taken, we had our first frost here in Toowoomba and one or two plants were burnt slightly. So we moved them into a sheltered place and they recovered well and are doing well still.
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No1grandma
July 20, 2009
10:55 PM Post #6844612
| Here's another pic 
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No1grandma
July 20, 2009
10:56 PM Post #6844617
| Wish I could get more than one pic on at a time! 
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No1grandma
July 20, 2009
10:59 PM Post #6844627
| Ok the last of the pics - I checked them last night after another frost and they are untouched and growing well. I only had two cuttings fail - one of each colour! My half grown double ruffled white (name unknown, but a cutting taken from a friend's plant in the Glasshouse Moutnains, near Brisbane) is in a pot and getting big enough to be planted out in the garden as soon as the danger of frost is over.
thank you so much Wayne and Colleen!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 20, 2009
11:35 PM Post #6844775
| Good for you No 1 grandma, plant them in the warmth of Spring and then stand back ...you will love them!
Good old Frosty Pink will steal your heart away ...addiction ahead
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
July 21, 2009
12:47 AM Post #6844954
| Chrissy, This is Firefighter Angel, putting on a bit more growth now. Stll a bit weak looking but should improve in warmer weather. 
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
July 21, 2009
12:53 AM Post #6844962
| Here is one of the gorgeous GHA, Still putting out buds and new flowers opening. There are several old flower stems still hanging on which look like the beginnings of pods. I did pollinate one or two but if there are more it wasn't me.
I can't resist that honey butterscotch perfume every time I walk past , I have to stop and smell. aaaaaaaaahhhhhh.
Jean.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 21, 2009
02:47 AM Post #6845190
| Mirror images (mine too) 
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pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
July 21, 2009
05:46 AM Post #6845327
| Now this is interesting http://www.sacredgardenfrangipanis.com/angels-trumpets/03-br... Is this Alistair's Clementine or something similiar? I just came across it today, Ann
ps lovely photos everyone :) |
ctmorris
barmera
Australia
July 21, 2009
06:01 AM Post #6845350
| My Brugs aren't doing much at the moment. One has a tiny bud. They haven't dropped their leaves like I thought they would though. no1grandma, glad to see you had success with the cuttings. The Frosty angel is really very pretty. The lady where I got mine from has HACKED the bushes right back. I nearly drove off the road when I saw them today. Only a week or so ago the biggest tree was covered in flowers. Beautiful pics everyone. Colleen |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
July 21, 2009
06:15 AM Post #6845367
| An O.T follow up regarding Sacred Garden frangipanis... http://davesgarden.com/products/gwd/c/6881/ someone not too happy ... |
MyaC
Magnetic Island
Australia
(Zone 11)
July 21, 2009
08:05 AM Post #6845532
| Ann that's very interesting about "My Clementine"...makes you wonder!!!!
Judy maybe I need to comment on my experience with Steven Prowse and My Jacks Purple Frangipani (NOT) |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
July 21, 2009
08:42 AM Post #6845626
| Mya,Are you saying thats your Jacks Purple Frangi is an imposter? |
pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
July 21, 2009
03:17 PM Post #6847121
| Judy, I'm not reccomending them at all. I bought a few things there before I discovered Meroo Meadows. The "plants" were ultra scrawny cuttings with roots for prettty big $$$.
Just thought that it was similiar in color to Alistair's and had for all practical purposes the same name.
Mya, Did he substitute? Or was it not the color described? Ann |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
July 21, 2009
04:42 PM Post #6847481
| Ann and Mya, my experiences exactly with that fellow. :((((((((( |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 21, 2009
05:12 PM Post #6847602
| Hmmmm ...My Clementine? ...
Who's Clementine?
Never gone to that place and never will ...heard too much from other unhappy gardeners.
This may be the same ...
http://www.sacredgardenfrangipanis.com/angels-trumpets/03-br...
Since Alistair seems to have gone ...we can't ask him, pretty cheeky re the name though.
Colleen don't worry about the lady hacking back her tree it will grow back even bigger and better than ever. |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
July 21, 2009
06:13 PM Post #6847854
| Chrissy,so where is Alistair...do you know. Is he back form his trip overseas? |
MyaC
Magnetic Island
Australia
(Zone 11)
July 21, 2009
07:30 PM Post #6848154
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| Quoted: | | Mya, Did he substitute? Or was it not the color described? Ann |
Ann, he seems to think he substituted because he had run out of Jacks Purple at the time of my ordering.My beef with this person IS, that he wrote on the label, Jacks Purple,trying to hoodwink me into believing it was a Jacks he sent.He justifies this substitution by saying that Indonesian Violet is even more beautiful than Jacks Purple...below is just a portion of the email...remember that this person wrote on the plant label he sent me Jacks Purple,if that isn't dodgy,nothing is>>>>>>BEWARE, do not buy from this Nursery...
| Quoted: | However it does look more like indonesian violet than Jacks purple in the pic.
There was a period of a few weeks only in late spring last year when we temporarily ran out of Jacks purple.
It may be that we substituted with an Indonesian violet.
Our website & catalog order form clearly states thet if a cv is temporarily out of stock we will substitute with a similiar cv of the same value & have a place where customers are asked to list their preffered substitutes. |
I think I would have accepted the substitution gracefully, if he hadn't tried to deceive me with the Jacks Purple label,that to me is, out right fraud!!!!!!!!!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 21, 2009
07:51 PM Post #6848251
| Word of mouth is a very important thing ...we hear you loud and clear.
The point being, if this is "Clementine" and someone played around with the name, it is cheating ...why not just declare what it is? and hopefully acknowledge where it came from. That would be honourable and moral.
I believe unless there is a patent (or whatever the plant equivelent) then once you buy something then it is yours ...BUT any renaming when re selling it (with the intention of people believing it is your cross) is just plain rude perhaps bordering on fraudulent, and I would not trust that place.
Having said all that, it is possible that it is their own cross since even I managed to grow out a double from a cross so it may be much more common now than it used to be ... I guess no one owns a name until it is registered so in that regard that place may be innocent of nicking Clementine for their own, not innocent of playing with a name that is already out there ...
Untrustworthy behaviour to say the least.
Alistair has not been around since he arrived back and is probably busy with his book, I don't know any more than that. Hopefully he is OK and getting on with things he wants to do.
Meanwhile ...
Here is Glasshouse Angel today ...now taking on a bit of colour
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 21, 2009
07:59 PM Post #6848300
| The pods on Glasshouse Angel look great, I have 4 nice healthy looking ones that have come through the winter ok (~so far ...) it is exciting times ...I hope you will share the joy of watching your own seedlings bloom this spring ...right now I am watching seedling no 6 it looks so big ...I have to hold my camera up above my head as this is the tallest ...it looks like a big tangled knot at the moment ...am I about to meet a monster or a miracle ...tick tock tick tock ...
Here it is 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 21, 2009
08:12 PM Post #6848380
| Today seedling no 5 is colouring up (slowly) in the same shade of colour as Old Sydney Apricot you see OSA up behind no 5 peeping over the fence ...no 5 is looking like a more feminine version of OSA with lovely tendrils and very pretty perfume, they both are a bit pale because it's winter but yet darker colour than the camera affords.It has been windy this morning so the bloom isn't as delicate as it looks because it is still ok despite the wind and showers. It is now a mild lovely morning ...believe it or not the temps were about 18C here this morning. 
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
July 21, 2009
11:19 PM Post #6849378
| You can leave your review here on this company. http://davesgarden.com/products/gwd/c/6881/#postfeedback . I haven't heard any positive comments on this company yet and to think I was tempted to purchase 'Maya' from them a while back... |
pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
July 22, 2009
12:19 AM Post #6849618
| I did. I was kind and made it neutral :) Ann
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Mya, that's crazy!! If I lay out 90 bucks for one plant I want the plant I ordered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Stake
Barmera
Australia
July 22, 2009
01:08 AM Post #6849702
| G'Day.
Cestrum the first two of your recently received Aztec Gold X seeds have germinated, so we are up and away.
I doubt that the bloke you are referring to above is a true Nurseryman more like someone out to make a quick quid. I knew a bloke like that a few years ago and on protesting the conduct was told he would be retired on the Gold Coast while I still worked for a living. The story has a happy ending he went broke because the government didn't like some of his antics either.
Brian |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
July 22, 2009
04:09 AM Post #6849824
| Chrissy,Your glass house Angel is just stunning considering we are in the middle of winter...would you believe it was an absolutely beautiful day here ...24c. a touch of spring maybe..pity I had to work lol!! |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
July 22, 2009
05:26 AM Post #6849848
| Just looking at your post again Mya,...
Steven Prowse>Quote..However it does look more like indonesian violet than Jacks purple in the pic.
There was a period of a few weeks only in late spring last year when we temporarily ran out of Jacks purple.
It may be that we substituted with an Indonesian violet.
Our website & catalog order form clearly states thet if a cv is temporarily out of stock we will substitute with a similiar cv of the same value & have a place where customers are asked to list their preffered substitutes. Unquote
My thoughts are..How frequent are their cultivars 'temporarily' out of stock?...good way to catch the unwary with a 'substitute' imo...and a quick albeit deceitful way to a fast turnover in $ by using a slower less popular seller as a substitute...to me it is very misleading and fraudulent if it was labeled as the one you had originally ordered and you were not told at the time, of the 'substitution' ...they don't just forget these things .I would be really angry too.. I do realize that a lot of reputable nurseries also use substitutes where necessary but it is their policy to always let the buyer know when the order is sent out.
Obviously he isn't thinking about his long term future in the nursery business... |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
July 22, 2009
07:01 AM Post #6849925
| Curious perhaps for some, although I know already the cost of advertising in "Gardening Australia" magazine.
The kudos and monetary rewards expected perhaps one day will be balanced.
For some... :)
Just hang on a minute...
How many people fork out $100 for a wizened up crapola cutting, let alone a mislabelled substitute?
Get real!
Complaints once went to Consumer Affairs...
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brical1
brisbane
Australia
July 22, 2009
07:35 AM Post #6849983
| I am in total agreement Wayne...what goes around comes around!!lol |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 22, 2009
05:20 PM Post #6852175
| That's dreadful Wayne! the first rule of any business is that the customer is the most important person ...some people think if they have a monopoly they can get away with anything.
Well guess what ...Brugmansias (our beautiful angels ...) no longer cost vast amounts ... :)
I hope that the future shines brightly for our Aussie Angels and that any gardener can afford them.
Just remember to keep your homely babies at home and only share/sell the beautiful ones. Let's try to make them Angels we can be proud of. |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
July 22, 2009
07:25 PM Post #6852563
| G'Day
Chrissy remember "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and also your homely one might be the very one that will succeed where the more beautiful fail. Also if grafting can be made to work those homely ones might make the best stock.
Brian |
MyaC
Magnetic Island
Australia
(Zone 11)
July 22, 2009
11:29 PM Post #6853600
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| Quoted: | | How many people fork out $100 for a wizened up crapola cutting, let alone a mislabelled substitute? |
You got me Wayne, I looked up what a crapola cutting was... hahahahahaha
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
July 23, 2009
01:53 AM Post #6854054
| Hi Yvette in Toowoomba (No1grandma). So glad the cuttings struck. They look very healthy. You will enjoy them very much for years ahead! A good tip is to share them around, that way if disaster ever strikes and you loose your own plant, there is always one in reserve elsewhere. All best and good luck Yvette! :)
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
July 23, 2009
02:29 AM Post #6854105
| Oh Mya, that is a "Wayne Word"
Don't get me started... :))))
I do like your interpretation though! :))
The attached photograph has been published to alert all of a notorious fiend willing to give away Brugmansias free of charge. His face has been disguised to protect the innocent that may resemble this vile creature! :)
It is believed that the floral disguise is of his own breeding, and is lovingly named 'Berocca' in memory of too many hangovers.
Might it be added that said plant will never be referred to as "My Berocca"!
Buyer beware.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
July 23, 2009
02:39 AM Post #6854114
| That 'notorius fiend' can give away all his Angels as long as some make their way down here . ha ha.
Wayne , that is one gorgeous bloom. |
pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
July 23, 2009
04:24 AM Post #6854167
| Lol. You're a funny guy Wayne!! :) |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 23, 2009
09:03 AM Post #6854548
| Wayne great picture! is that colour a Winter colour? my babies are still very pale ...I don't usually get good colour until mid Sept/early Oct.
Berocca is very beautiful ...it's cheeky to link it to hangovers though.
this is number 5 again more blooms with number 6 about to pop (the yellow buds) talk about Christmas in July! (I am thrilled because we had severe winds and rain last night.) So pale but elegant, so is the fragrance.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 23, 2009
09:07 AM Post #6854556
| A whiter shade of pale after the icy winds last night. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 23, 2009
09:11 AM Post #6854565
| sigh ... the perfume is just delicious! between this and GHA I am in heaven. 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 23, 2009
12:25 PM Post #6855428
| Lovely to see the brugs blooming at this time of year. We've had a couple of beautiful balmy days, about 25 degrees, and with that and the blooms, it's felt like spring. But better, with no flies or mozzies. My white suaveolens is in full bloom, along the path by the house, and the flowers are a crisp white and holding their shape during the day with the perfume lingering into the late morning and beginning in the late afternoon. One of the most common brugs and yet superb.
It will be fantastic this year when so many of the seedlings begin to flower for the first time (mine included).
Plus--the Buddleja Spring Promise has begun to flower--first time in this garden. The freesia perfume from the initial few flowers is superb, it drifts over the garden. Plus one of the Michelia figos has started to flower in abundance, so yesterday I could smell freesias and that fruity scent of the figo: heaven.
Will have to take a pic of the SP on the weekend. Shame I can't upload the fragrance :-) |
ctmorris
barmera
Australia
July 23, 2009
07:22 PM Post #6856941
| Beautiful flowers even if they are a bit paler. Chrissy I am now the Mother of little baby Brugs. My own special little ones. Will keep you posted about their progress. Colleen |
pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
July 23, 2009
09:18 PM Post #6857323
| lol. Boy I know how to win friends and influence people. I just got an irate phone call from Steven Prouse. He told me brugmansia size was indicated on the website, which it wasn't and started to bad mouth Meroo for selling "his" brugmansias. The fact is if you do not register plants you breed you do not have rights over propagation material. Period.
Our nursery imports heliconia seeds in. It takes me years to grow them out so I generally ask big money when I release them full well knowing that other growers will be my first customers. That's life.
I have every right to leave a neutral comment about plants I've purchased that I think weren't up to scratch and I take offense that a nursery thinks I don't.
btw I measured my plants all three were under 15cm each.
Ann
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 23, 2009
09:44 PM Post #6857450
| Golly Ann that sounds very aggressive of Mr Prouse, it seems to be a pattern by the look of it.
Can't see any compliments.
I have had many plants and cuttings/seeds from meroo and they have been jumping for joy when they arrived ...I believe the costs were very fair for all that goes into new plants,however once they leave your hands unless you have that patent (of the floral kind) they belong to the world, to be honest when I first went looking for Angels trumpets I went to SG but there was a thingy on the bottom (more or less) saying these plants still belonged to SG ...I thought "what the"???? and left.
now from a sad subject to a happy one.
Congratulations to Colleen on your new baby seedlings ...do you have your prize seeds yet?
...here is my number 6, I think it will be an orange in better weather ...it's a bit butch (chunky in the tube) but the size is mega and the fragrance is identical to GHA ...more lovely tendrils! 
Click the image for an enlarged view.
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ctmorris
barmera
Australia
July 23, 2009
10:04 PM Post #6857557
| No Chrissy I haven't got my prize yet but might be there today. Thanks so much for them. I have 6 new babies so far BUT you're not going to believe this. I haven't got a name. I have your first seeds that you sent of SuavlonsXAlphons and the NOID seeds that haven't poked their heads through yet and then the pod seeds from Brical and a tray of the ones that are poking their heads through now but I can't remember what they are. Can anyone remember sending me about 20 seeds of something please? I'm a dope and I can't think why I wouldn't have put a name on them .Please help if you can. Colleen |
brical1
brisbane
Australia
July 23, 2009
10:06 PM Post #6857569
| You stand your ground Ann...you are to be praised for standing up for your rights and letting others know of your experience ...if he had done the right thing by you and his other customers he would not have to defend himself at all would he ...nobody has a right to treat their customers like fools and not expect any sort of backlash...I am in business too and know full well that the customer is 'your business'!! only a fool would think otherwise...
Does he have patent rights over his plants...?
Did he see your comments here on Dave's? |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
July 23, 2009
10:21 PM Post #6857637
| Goodness me, Chrissy, you're getting a good collection of yellow brugs ... my favourite brug colour! Strong yellow (aurea) genes there, by the looks of it. With good tendrils. AND scent. |
pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
July 24, 2009
12:21 AM Post #6858022
| Yuck! I'm sorry I ever posted anything he's a nutter. Ann |
ctmorris
barmera
Australia
July 24, 2009
12:32 AM Post #6858053
| Seeds have arrived thanks Chrissy. |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
July 24, 2009
02:58 AM Post #6858295
| Chrissy, and anyone else interested. I'm going to have a go at this later in the year.
I have done it with other plants but never thought of the Angels.
Jean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lBHBx8M8BM |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
July 24, 2009
04:02 AM Post #6858331
| Jean, you will be on my mailing list for "adoptive mums"! :)
Every time I see your name come up I think of the finger snapping "click click" 77 Sunset Strip! :)
"Cricket"... :)
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 24, 2009
05:28 AM Post #6858375
| Didn't we all want to be Cricket ...I used to spend hours at the Hairdressers every Saturday morning having my hair teased and coiled up with a swish (my own) ...oh boy ...so long ago but heck I still want to be her, still a sweetie.
remember "16 Reasons" anyone?
http://www.foreverspring.com/aboutconnie.htm |
MyaC
Magnetic Island
Australia
(Zone 11)
July 24, 2009
08:37 AM Post #6858655
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| Quoted: | | Yuck! I'm sorry I ever posted anything he's a nutter. Ann |
And he will be his own downfall !!!!!!!!!!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 24, 2009
09:14 AM Post #6858775
| I think the air layering may be fantastic with hard to root types of brugs (Iochromas too) and since my video thingy is not working I put this link in to show you the technique just in case your thingy isn't working either.
http://www.brugmansia.us/content/index.php?option=com_conten...
Great foliage info (thanks bettydee)
http://www.abads.org/members/anatomy.htm
This thread is now officially way too long ...sorry to any of you who may be on dial up.
Thank you to all who have contributed.
This message was edited Jul 24, 2009 11:35 PM |
Budgieman
Sydney
Australia
July 29, 2009
06:17 AM Post #6879025
| Hi all!
Gee it's quiet around here. I'll be glad when hibernation is over!
Still got my beanie on which means it's not spring yet.
Air layering is fun. Doing a couple of Orange Jessamine at the moment.
Great success rate with this method. Have done Camellia, Azalea, Abuttilon amongst others.
Might have to move my Brug one metre north. Slight miscalculation on shade house placement.
It is looking good at the moment but not long in the ground so should be right. Wish me luck.
Now. Back to sleep.
Steve |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
July 29, 2009
10:14 AM Post #6879667
| My goodness steve where have you been stuck in that chimney of yours or something ...judy forgot to put the signpost up ...we are over here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1019136/
and WE have been busy.Glad your brug is doing well ...come join us ...everyone has been looking under the tables for you in the tea house |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
October 14, 2009
09:04 AM Post #7167511
| A Big Bump ... for all the new folk and because I can't post pictures ...this was a very good thread, thanks to you all |
Coldoll
sydney
Australia
October 14, 2009
10:59 PM Post #7170512
| Hi to all the Brugfanciers., I am just getting the first of my lovely flowers and have 8 brugs. I am still battling caterpillars and have tried all the recommended sprays but to no avail. There must be a lot of very high little pesties around. Any advice to save the leaves would be welcome. I have photos of the damage but they just show leaves with lots of holes. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
October 14, 2009
11:28 PM Post #7170679
| I hate to tell you this, but even the best growers get holy leaves on their brugs ..it has been an awful spring so far and yes there are bugs everywhere ...I inspect morning and afternoon squishing 28 spotted lady birds and cucumber beatles, grasshoppers don't get squished but if your brugs are in good health they will quickly replace swiss cheese leaves.
Just remember a tiny hole in a small leaf is tiny, a tiny hole in a leaf that grows large is then a large hole.
come on and join us in our spring thread ...it's fun ...go back and find the link a couple posts back. |
Budgieman
Sydney
Australia
October 24, 2009
02:57 AM Post #7202828
| I HAVE BUDS!!!!!!!!!!! and holes in the leaves...but who cares...I HAVE BUDS!!!!
Stay tuned for spectaculer pics of my first brug flowers.
Cheers
Steve |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
October 24, 2009
08:29 AM Post #7203016
| Oh steve watch out! you will be hooked!
congratulations!
steve we are over here now! please post your pics when you have your blooms whoopee.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1049164/ |
