Well, I was just in the cafe and terri was talking about a sunflower contest so I thought I would start a new thread for the contest. There are no rules, just post your pics and tell us about them! (Of course, terri can pick the winners since it was her idea so I crown her judge for this contest!! LOL!)
Here is my babies as of a day or two ago that I had potted in my greenhouse...time to transplant them...they were about 5 inches tall... These are mammoth sunflowers. The seed came from a sunflower head that was 18 inches across. I do not expect mine to get that big due to the plants being in really poor soil in the garden, but time will tell. These seeds were growing in a clump of seeds that were way to close together out in the sunflower patch we have started and so I scooped a few up to transplant up to the house yard and potted them when they first gernimated. Its time to bump them up to a bigger pot or put them back into the garden..
Well, ok, thats mine for starters...usually I plant a huge variety of small headed cutting sunflowers, but this year we did the whole big patch in these. If they do get heads, we will be feeding a lot of birds! There are thousands of these in the plot we started!
Well I am sure to win bb because when I stand next to my giants LOL and I am just shy of 5' myself they are gonna look huge, so you may as well throw in your moppin towel right now at 5" LOL! This is gonna bee a hoot!
Last year, I planted a variety of sunflowers, mostly the 6 ft tall type. This year, I have volunteers popping up in strange places around the yard and in containers.
In this photo, you can just barely see a sunflower bloom peeking in from the left side. Just to the left of the slanted tree on the right you can see a small volunteer about 8 inches tall. In the stacked containers in the center of the picture are two flowering sunflowers growing from the top of two container stacks. The shorter one on the left with all the small blooms was probably planted by a bird. The 6 footer on the right I transplanted from a pot. I keep deadheading the smaller one and it just keeps pumping out blooms. I guesstimate about 20 blooms so far. The tall one has flowers blooming about 10 feet in the air. It can be seen by passersby from the road sticking up there above the 6 ft tall privacy fence. Those sunflowers are not staked or supported in any way, just their roots growing in the top pot of the stack (each pot is 2 1/2 gallons). Last night, strong winds did not blow them down but did blow over an 8 ft tall stack with tomato's growing out of the top pot.
If you look close in the top part of the photo you can see a bird. I figger he is the one planting all the sunflowers and came back to look at this handiwork.
For the last several years we have put in a large plot of a variety of sunflowers, the type you use for cutting. Thius year we just put out the mammouths and well, maybe we will see some volunteers of the others, but I rather doubt it. Time will tell!
Jaywhacker, your gardens are very nice!
We just broadcasted the seeds, so I have areas that are too thick and probably too thin, but most should do ok providing we dont dry up. They are in pretty poor soil here. Although we did incorperate som ehorse manure and wood chips for humous!
The birds will have a field day later.
Right now I have goldfinches or oreiles and some purple finches feasting on the seed from a nearby birch tree and today as teh day got longer we kept seeing more and more. At one time I counted around 60 plus! It was pretty neat to see all those yellow birds taking advantage of natures bounties.
I live on a limestone ridge with about 2 inch's of top soil so can only do container or raised bed gardening. Last year I experimented with two gallon size nursery containers growing sunflowers of the type to be sold as cut flowers. I do believe container sunflowers could be profitable on a relatively small scale if succession planted throughout the growing season here in zone 8. They are day neutral and will crop in about 60 to 70 days depending on type of sunflower and weather. I do believe I could get three crops a year. Even my late season crop of sunflowers had some nice flowers although they did not grow to their full height as the weather cooled off.
It would be fun to plant all 16 sites of one of my grow poles in sunflowers. Just for kicks...hmmmm? Should I??
I just wanted to share a old picture of my son when he was two. This sunflower grew through winter and bloomed in early spring when it was about 4 feet tall. My son loved the Big sunflower!!! and we had to get a picture.
Welcome jaywalker and gardener2005 glad you found us here. Now jaywalker that is some significant raised bed gardening you have there. Quite the unusual planters and I really like how you have placed them up on your tables, quite clever and gives nice depth to your gardens. Gardener, your little gardener is cute as a button under that sunflower, so nice you have that fond memory in a photo.
The sunflowers are quite huge everyone, mine are still quite tiny. I agree that we are all winners here LOL, by the way blossoms are growing they will be long finished before mine even bloom!
I think she has been doing some measuring already, only not with a tape she is puttin her hubby to the task. I think I'll measure mine using my legs as they will look huge in no time, short as my legs are.
LOL, don't have to shave here, well maybe the chin LOL! But due to the PAD the hair doesn't even grow anymore! I wear shorts all the time btw, I think I got some great Tina Turner legs! They don't work as well as they should but aside from the bruising from the drugs when they aren't banged up they are in quite good condition! So I'll be flashin some flesh when my sunnys start to pop up!
I just had to have some fun with that! He got down to pull a weed and there I was with his camera and I got to thinking.. hmmm Jurassic sunflowers! LOL! I was gonna make him lay down so they looked over his head already, but could not quite get him to twist his head just right!
LOL knees or not they are huge and so are yours Dianne. Think I better bow outta the contest while the getting is good. Not sure I see a sign of mine coming up and having a similar problem with the zinnia seeds as well. Planted tons of them and repeated that about 4 times since may and hardly a seedling is comin up. Not sure what the problem is, too much rain? Insects getting them?
Yay...I get to be in the contest since I got the official word from Terri that those are "my" sunflowers LoL. I have no idea what variety was planted. I think they may be more of the 3 foot high ones that the farms around here normally grow for commercial use - but, they may turn out to be tall, towering ones with huge heads.
Well the rest of you might as well just bow out, cause I win hands down!!! I went out this morning and I guess it has been all the rain or something, but this guy pulled up to admire my giants and he got out of his car and was kind enough to pose for me. I didn't even use miracle gro!
Just went to plant my sunflower seeds and I seem to either not be able to find them or don't have any! How is this even possible?!?!? So I'm off to the nursery in a few to get me some sunflower seeds and also zinnia seeds which I seem to have spaced on. geez!
Today I got planted:
small herb planter with 2 kinds of parsley, marjoram, and italian oregano
little decorative planter with ivy and pansies
small planter with heuchera (coral bells) and geranium
another small planter, also with heuchera and geranium
artichokes (probably too late for this year but should be good to go for 2010!
pansies as a border in one of the vegie beds
Working at the theater tonight (I take tickets on Tuesdays in return for free movies, popcorn, and pop), then coming home to wash up some dishes I unpacked yesterday from a box from the garage and polish some silver, also from a box from the garage. Have been drinking caffeine all day so I won't be tired when I get home from the movie (that Matthew McConnohay/Jennifer Garner movie). Slowly but surely am getting my act together!
Oh, also scored on a free chicken run today, chatted with a neighbor/friend who hopefully is going to build me a chicken coop, and also talked on the phone with a woman who is hopefully going to build me a chicken tractor. Getting soooo close to the chicken dream! Have a friend who's heading over to eastern Washington/Idaho who might be able to pick up 2 speckled sussex babies if they are ready. I might have chicks in my house by next Wednesday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I scored some herbs today too. Have not been out to the Sunflower patch today, but its raining tonite so I expect them to be waist high or better and thats without the tricky pics!
Did you say zinnias???? Is it too late to plant them>? Hmmm... I must dig my seeds out. I have been too much into petunias this seasopn.. Just got another bargain for a flat at $2 and 10 pots of herbs for 25c each...
Now pardon my blonde but what the heck is a "chicken tractor"? Sounds like you are really gonna have your hands full here soon on the farm. Perhpas you better check with elle she can tell you it isn't all fun and roses LOL!
A chicken tractor is a small portable chicken coop (often triangular shaped or rectangular) that you either pick up and carry with handles or has wheels like a wheelbarrow that you move around so the chickens can graze in different areas. Some people do it so the same area doesn't get so dug up; I'm doing it so my chickens will weed my garden for me!
Don't know if it's too late to plant zinnia seeds. I bought some yesterday and in they go today. I just planted corn yesterday and still haven't done beans or peas yet. Is it too late? I guess we'll find out. If nothing else, they'll grow, just may not flower.
If your zinnia seeds didn't come up and you're sure they're not 'old' seed, then my guess is the birds ate them. The birds will eat every seed I plant unless I cover the seeds til they are well sprouted. I start a lot of my stuff inside a greenhouse during the winter but some things are best started in the ground. I cover those eithe with a row cover or with other little devices. Those green plastic strawberry containers turned upside down and pinned down over the seeds work well.
Gwen, I started some inside and transplanted and they croaked. Then the seed as I said on many occasions and each time they were covered. They appear to be comin up now finally this last batch. I think that between the rains and then the lack of sunshine perhaps they just couldn't get a good strong start.
I have an idea who your tipster is there flowertips, perhaps I think I'd take that rumor with a grain of salt LOL!
Well, terri, this roving reporter of the sunflower patch has goodnews.. they are neck high as I stand in the patch. I hope to have pics later, but you know how that goes...the pizzy lil camera is having brain farts.
Usually I do zinnias too, but this year I forgot all about them. To much clean up yet from the ice storm and the place I normally plant them has gone grassy.
I did seed in some panys seed in some of my petunia hanging baskets and I am trying some loofas rather late. My tomato baskets are getting flwoers now! But they have not really started to hang down in the baskets yet. Well time will tell on those.
Was I supposed to get a few more tickets from you?
No problemo mate. We are in this thing together. Soz didja get in the garden to see the new inventory of blooms? When you hit the dirt there back at belles, I thought you was in shock. Sorry I had to leave you and run, but Bloomers is reliable and she got you up.
Hi Gwen - just a tad over 3 feet loL. I was 4 feet nine and a quarter inches, but I have been shrinking...
And the best part about these sunflowers, I don't have to lift a finger to take care of them.
and, at work, I always have my key around my neck because I have the tendency to place my keys down where ever and whenever, and got tired of looking for them.
Hi Everyone! So sorry I've haven't been over for a while! And I'm extra sorry now after realizing I missed this contest!! I've gotten all your nice messages and thanks a bunch for sending them!!! Theres some sunflower seeds floating around here that I saved out of Bella and Cocos breakfast mix so maybe they'll turn into something amazing and will be a winner :D I've got some dwarf 'Teddy Bear' sunflower seeds too, think they still have time to bloom?
Hello Steven, I knew if we kept calling you, you would show up sooner or later. So nice to have you back. You must stop over at the cafe on 23 Cyber Street and say hello and have a cuppa.
I am sure you can pick a number from Terris plot of sunflowers although I think blossombuddy has the contest pretty much sown up!
Hi there Steven, welcome to the sunflower patch! Lovely to see Coco and Bella, looking as cute as ever!
I had some teddy bear sunflower seeds, but I think someone weeded them out!
If you would like a sunflower from our raffle, pick a number between 1 -25 and I will let you know if it's available!!
Here's the Sunflower patch, some have started to flower...
BB, now don't go getting your sunflowers all in a ruffle! Don't go have heart failure to get the photo either. As for where's mine, well they are so humongous that I am embarassed to even post them cause I know you just couldn't stand it! I actually drove past my house the other day cause I couldn't even see it for the size of my sunny's.!
Dang it.. my pics are stuck in cyberspace. I have to go hammer on the antenna people . Get a new camera nad what happens.. puter trouble... terri... are you spreading puter ickies? Sum ware I got some pics... release them please!! Maybe we have to conjur up Geek...
Hi Terri! Bella and Coco would like to come "visit" your sunflower patch! hahaha
BTW, I left a note in the cafe, but could I claim sunflower #22 and join the fun?
I think my Teddy Bears will have to wait till next year, I put in a few random seeds the other day so they'll have to do. Thats really stinks though that someones weeded yours out!
ok, terri, pssst, heres your secret sunnys.. they are being guarded by plantgeeks cleomes and have a majik spell on them. Btw, have you seen geek lately? I accidently turned someone into a toad.,..oh-oh...
Terri, did I already say how much I like your morning glories? Had them all the time before we moved...I think I might start some inside...then they'll be blooming once the weather turns chilly. They make good houseplants!
Thanks Steven, I love Morning Glories! They take a while to get going, but now hopefully the frame will get covered in flowers! I imagine they would be lovely inside, I don't have the space! Are you doing any other winter sowing? Blossom has Ornamental Kale seeds she's sowing and I was thinking of trying those, if I can find any.
Oooo, what a good idea! I have some of those too! I've had them for a while but never really had a spot for them, but I think they'd look really nice in our front pots this year!
Do you know if Blossom starts them inside or out?
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/996881/ This is a link to Blossom's potting shed, I think she will sow them in there! I will start mine in the greenhouse and put them in the garden somewhere in Autumn. They would be nice in pots at the front too!
Well just back from the cabin and my little sunnies are flowerin already. Can't imagine when the giants start to bloom. Hey Steven glad that Terri had one saved for you. Hey BB what do yo think of my little ones LOL!
Yours look pretty terri but think my giants might take the prize??? LOL
Well haighr, I must say, they are stunning! Mine are bewildered again, they desperately need rain and are too far from the house to drag any hoses and the plot is tooo big! So it will be survival of the fittest from my neck of the woods for shure! LOL!
Ok, guys, if you head for la Desperado Cafe, there is a new lionk lurking there!
So has anyone started a kale thread????... I will do it if no one has.
17 heads? WOW! I want to see your sunflower field. My sister in law family has a farm up in NC and one year planted the sunflower field. It was beautiful but she said there was too many bees so they did not plant them the following year.
yes, that is a golden yellow brug. I gave them a pink one this year and they moved all the lantanas to another spot because it was taking over. I think they have vincas and dahlias in their flower bed this year. But he said none of the sunflower seeds I gave him came up. I got 4 little ones out by my mailbox.
I just started planting brug this year and I've only had one plant that bloomed. The yellow brug is a late bloomer, usually late September or early October - so I don't have any photo this year. Anyway, I think I'm going to have to move mine because it's getting too much shades.
Well, this is my first year planting but my next door neighbor leaves his in. Cut his down to the ground when first freeze. So I usually give away cuttings in November. I plan to leave mine in the ground. I have too many other tropicals to haul in.
Now that is a big sunny! So nice to be able to plant at your neighbors - they surely get the reward of seeing more beauties in their gardens.
Steven will your season last long enough to get that sunny to bloom do you think?
That came up quick Steven! It looks healthy. I have lots of sunflower seedlings sprouting now in my sunflower patch
(I thought they had been weeded out)! I'm hoping there might be some teddy bear ones!
No problema! Happens all the time! ...so are those brugs easy to grow? I guess I best tune in to your thread to find out!! .. Im on it
But first a word from my sponsor...Oh man, I m a getting rain! YAY! We need to fine tune the rain dance guys, the humiduity and heat is gonna get beastly the next few day, guess we better tune down the bass drums a little! LOL!
we got alot of rain last week and the mosquitoes are hatching this week. Ugh! But we needed the rain. I'm not complaining. My sunflowers are all dried up now. Next week, when the kiddos are back in school I'm going to cut down the sunflowers and collect the seeds!
Blossombuddy, the brugs are not hard to grow at all and most of them root very easily from cuttings. I will be glad to give you some when I cut in the fall. All these that I have are from cuttings that someone gave me last year. They really like the sun and heat. Probably will need to grow in a container for you, or you can grow in the ground after last frost, take cutting for the winter and plant again in the ground in the spring. I don't do much for them except water. No special soil treatment or anything.
I dont know on that taking of a brug cutting to winter indoors. Do they grow fast? My house might not be brug friendly! I have a heck of a time with house plants, but I am taking a bunch of things indoors this winter.. coleus, begonia, christmas cactus, spiderplants, baby sunroses that I all have in hanging baskets and there is about 10 or so of each except for the cactus and begonias and I am not sure how many coleus I am going to try,.
Today my lonely loofa is a few inches above the cage its in. I really need to go and get it something to grab onto so it can really take off. I am amazed how fast it has grown. We are going into our hot dry time now. I just hope it will set fruit before the frost. Im in a race against time there so I might not get anything. You have to rememmber I am in zone 5
Gettng back to that brug.. how big of pot? Dont those things get huge???
Meant to say too that we got a few bloomers on the sunnies today. They are not as withered as a few days ago.. they are talking rain again maybeMonday. Dance dance dance.. we could use a goooood soaking and not the humidity.
Thanks Candee! I think the datura is going to open tonight! I'll try to take a pic but we're supposed to get more storms though and it's roasting hot outside. About time though as this has been the coldest summer ever. The datura blooms only last one night and the fragrance can actualy have narcotic effects in a confined space...so I probably wouldn't reccomend it :)
I know what you mean Steven, yesterday was the first day we turned on the AC in the house and we stayed outside and I actually roasted a turkey on the grill in 100 degree heat!
I never heard that about the datura fragrance sounds exotic! I also didn't know they only last one night? Guess I shall pass on trying to get one.
I am still awaiting my pineapple lily, got the idea from terri last year and got one, but still nothing but leaves.
Oh sure, now you wanna see yours!! LOL! Well, I gotta go take a pic! LOL! See ya in 24 hours with that that is if the service is not better or worse. UGH! I swear the space junk is blocking the reception of PC to camera! Or is that camera to PC! OY!
OK.. chin up...least as that does my neck good! Thank you for that advise. It does releive the carpal tunnel symptoms! Well, in my case anyway... so ok, back in a while!
In the mean time, on your knees girlie! The rain dancing aint working! Its waaaay humid, toooo derned hot and waaaay DRY!
Well FAKED YOU ALL OUT! LOL! Those sunnies are to so real and so are the coleus I stuck them in!! LOL! But boy would not those be a grrreat exoctic if you could only have it leaves like that and color for real and in ONE plant!! Awwww Just dream weaving!
My sunflower looks fabulous Blossom. Thank you!
Your patch is looking more like a Van Gogh everyday.. lol! Beautiful!!
Yours is the tallest flowering one on the right. Yardqueen's is still tallest but not flowering yet!
I have no idea what kind they are.
About 13 years ago I saw some multi headed sunflowers in the edge of a corn field they were so pretty so I collected a hand full of seed.
I haven't ''planted any sense. They just come up where ever they are happy. When they are about three feet tall I pull most of them for goat feed, and leave a few for the birds and to resow.
Hey, gus, link back to your pics on the other thread! You have some verrrrry nice sunnys there and I am sure everyone here would enjoy the cottage gardeners pics too, they really are quite beautiful!
My greater goal with all the sunflowers is to get a patch large enough going so I can just mow them down in the fall and leave the shreds and seed to the wild turkeys and other birds and have a stash to reseed in the spring!
I still do not have a large enough patch to satisfy our goal, but we are working on it.
We have a prairie that we are restoring some of the once was wildflowers there and it has been a great project! People have been sending us their excess seeds for both projects and it has been a great joy helping the wildlife!
This year we had some wonderful rare visitors of the feathered variety, some reddish egrets happened to our place and we have been seeing the trio quite reugularly! They are awesomely huge beautiful birds.
Well, anyway, gus, glad you could make it here and do bring your buddies and join the fun!
Some of us have greenhouses and some not! Most of us have cutting gardens and like to do floral arrangements! We enjoy getting creative here and showing off our arrangements and such to have fun with and often get critiqued by our friends here too! We also enjoy a lot of playful antics! So welcome agian! Enjoy your visits!
I have a small greenhouse that I use as what I call my GLORIFIED POTTING SHED and have a few threads going on that. I am up to link 5 there and do feel free to join me and the rest!
I started some of my sunnies in the GPS, but the majority we broadcasted out to a plot field out in our prairie!
Nice to meet you and your sunnies gus - we love arranging and use all flowers and cuttings of all sorts. That is what makes this thread so unique there is no wrong way to arrange nor set of rules or standards to meet, we create what we enjoy and share it with friends. As BB said we do get sidetracked with other venues here and that keeps everything interesting right in one place.
Please browse around and look at our threads of arrangements, we have theme arrangements as well that must meet some criteria to follow the theme. We have two fab cafes where we meet to chat and take turns bringing in flowers to brighten up the place.
Hope to see you around with some of your creations.
Hi Gus! I love your sunnies and think they should win the contest for all those branches! I had 2 sunnies but they got eaten by a critter. So now I'm working on the theme for next years sunny contest. Hope to see you around!
Well, gus, your date for frost and mine are about the same. I tried starting the kales, but had some damping off issues.. but SW came up with an idea so we are still going on with the contest! So do, everyone, come join us! hehehe!
Yipes, I went out to my sunny patch and OMG! The poor things look terrible! They are drooping and nodding and dropping seed...I guess I best start harvesting.
The thought of frost only 6 weeks away is such a gloomy one. Seems like summer just got here.
Hey BB I got sunnies finally and keep forgetting to get out there with the camera, thanks for the reminder, I'll do it this evening!
Yes, its funny that the heads were much less in size than their parent head! I have some that were so tiny from those giant heads you would think they were a different variety, but it is only the product of my poor sandy unfertile soil and lack of rain!
Check this minis out.. and these really truly are from a giant grey stripe!!! An eiighteen inch head to be exact!! Beleivei it or not Ripley!
Gardengus - welcome to this forum. In answer to your question from last week, yes, there are those of us who do plant the ornamental sunflowers for arrangements only. Like you, I planted a few of these about 4 years ago. I let one flower seed, and then let it reseed. Some years I have a few plants, other years, like this one, only one plant. It is tall, but sends out numerous side shoots.
And then, today, I cut a few branches and added them to these cycad leaves. These cycad leaves were from an arrangement 3 weeks ago, and they still look as good as the day I cut them. So, one plant supplied enough blossoms for at least three occasions. There is probably enough for one more.
Soils, Lili, those are the grey stripes. We had to cut the heads a liltl premature and we took the pollen off of them so the seed could dry and the deer would not eat them.
I also had volunteers come up in the sunny patch. So those bronze haloed ones I showed above are gonna be cross pollenated on the grey stripes so who knows what it is!
We just toss any kind of sunny to that patch. We harvest as much seed as we can get for the following year and we keep trying to make the patch bigger. So basically my seeds are of who knows what later, a grand mix so to speak. I get people sending us seed to add to the project too because there is a lot of seed that drops and goes to the wild birds. We are hoping the wild turkeys come back! The deer are eading my heads now! ANyone with excess seed that they just want to get rid of, they can D-mail me. We are also taking seed that wouldbe appropriate to restor what grows on our prairie. Things like gaillardia, laitris, blackeyed susan, many more. Its for the bees and the butterflys too.
There are white petaled sunnies, but I dont know what the name of the variety would be.
The sunflower I posted on the 25th is now in full bloom.
I took this picture a couple days ago...I counted the open blooms today and there are...???
Any one want to guess???
I will send the closest guess a pack of seeds ^_^
Ok, now that I have whaaacked just about every sunflower in the place...
Yes, just call me Lizzy! I have beaheded them all!
I am having a hard tiome drying and storing the heads with out the mice getting in to them. I have tried paperbagging them.. they are molding.. so I have to do the juggling thing daily to keep them from going to compost?
Any one got any ideas? Here I thought this was gonna be an easy project! Seed harvesting... not... not with so many heads!
Drying sunflowers – On the stem
You can easily let nature take its course when it comes to drying sunflowers, and allow the drying process to occur naturally on the stem. If you are drying sunflowers this way you should keep an eye out for when the backside of the sunflower's head turns yellow and the petals have fallen off. Once this has happened you need to act fast if you do not wish to lose all of your sunflower seeds to the ground! Use a brown paper bag to cover the head and this will also protect it from birds, squirrels and other critters that are interested in the sunflower seeds too. The paper bag helps the sunflower head still "breathe" and prevents moisture from accumulating in the bag and turning the seeds moldy. (If it rains, you may need to replace the bag with another in case the bag gets soggy or tears.) Dry your sunflowers like this until their heads turn brown on the backside - then it is time for harvesting. Simply collect the head by cutting the sunflower off one foot down on the stem, making sure you don't lose the paper bag off the top in the process!
Drying sunflowers – Early harvesting
If you do not want to struggle against birds, squirrels and other critters competing to get a taste of your sunflower seeds before you do, there is another way to dry your sunflowers. When you see the signs of the yellowing of the backside of the sunflower head you simply harvest them right at that point. Cut the heads down leaving about one foot of stem below the head. You can then dry your sunflowers where ever you want to, as long as it is warm and dry with good ventilation to prevent molding. A small shed might be perfect, or even in your house. You may still want to cover the seed heads with paper bags, especially if drying in an outdoor shed! But primarily, as long the sunflowers are kept warm, dry and sheltered, you'll be able to successfully harvest the seeds. Simply run your hand over the sunflower head and the seeds will pop right out.
Well as I live and breath it is tc, whohoooooooooooo! How you been? Think of you often when we go up to the cabin. Hope you stick around a while, what's new?
BB, you have a real disaster on your hands. I put hose over the head of mine and just let them in the garden, they are pretty soggy today so we shall see?
Yep my friend, heading into the hunting season at the cabin. I often think of you with your tent round the corner. We do have bears up there now so camping likely not a real smart idea, Steve doesn't even want me to walk over the mountain alone these days.
Steve is now retired and doing a lot around both places, much as he can anyway with his back problems. We have 3 grandbabies now and although they don't get here often, we do get to spend some time with them. They loved the apple tree there at the cabin, it is really full this year and Steve and Tim shook it and they got rained on with apples and was the funniest thing they did all day!
Say howdy to all your way,
Candee & Steve