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Jimsned2
Fort Lauderdale, FL
May 29, 2009
09:55 AM Post #6613425
| anywone know where I can look to to see the difference between male and female desert rose flowers? I want to try growing my own seed pods since I have many of the plants but never get seed pods, thanks for any information you may give me. |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
May 30, 2009
04:17 AM Post #6616910
| Which plant species are you speaking of? |
Jimsned2
Fort Lauderdale, FL
May 30, 2009
12:14 PM Post #6617903
| Gee, I'm not sure! I thhought desert rose was a species. Maybe what you need is adenium? I thought I read that each flower has both male and female parts, later I read that the female has a swolen area just below the flower and that 99% of the flowers are male. I've checked mine out and just maybe 100% of mine are male. I'm looking for a web site that shows pictures of the male and female or if all are both sexes then shows how to hand pollenate to be able to get a seed pod. It's all very confuseing but I want to try. Thank you in advance. |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
May 30, 2009
12:50 PM Post #6618034
| This is from U of Miami--- Good tips for culture and everything but making your own seeds.
http://miami-dade.ifas.ufl.edu/pdfs/ornamental/ornamental_pu...
But no illustrations. You can buy seed Google---
Edited to add:
Fruit. The fruit, which is classified as a follicle, splits along one side to release seeds
bearing a pappus (tuft of hairs which aids in dispersal)) at each end. Seed production is
not reliable, since pollination is often not successful, due to plants in cultivation being
male or female sterile.
PROPAGATION.
As stated above, propagation from seed is not reliable because of pollination problems.
For those developing new varieties, hand pollination using male/female compatible plants
is necessary to ensure the production of viable seed. If fresh viable seed is available,
germination rates are high if it is used promptly. Remove the pappus, dust the seeds in
fungicide and sow in a sterile, sandy, free-draining soil mix. Germination occurs within a
week at 85EF, and after a month seedlings should have at least 6 true leaves and be ready
for transplanting. Seed grown plants will often flower the same year, and should be
watered as needed and given regular applications of fertilizer.
This message was edited May 30, 2009 12:55 PM |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
May 30, 2009
01:15 PM Post #6618092
| http://www.mgonlinestore.com/DR2008Collection/
Now I see why you wantt your own seeds! 2 per pkg, 85% germination, $12 to 25. Ouch! I might keep looking. But a small plant here costs fifty bucks. |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
May 30, 2009
01:34 PM Post #6618152
| This is called 'surfing'
200 seeds for twenty bucks
http://www.rareseedsource.com/products.php |
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia
May 30, 2009
07:17 PM Post #6619254
| There's a Gossypium that's called Desert Rose, and an Adenium as well. |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
May 30, 2009
07:33 PM Post #6619304
| You're confusing me! LOL! |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
May 30, 2009
07:36 PM Post #6619321
| Also Pereskia, Barite, and Selenite! |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
May 30, 2009
07:39 PM Post #6619332
| Those look like fake words that my Mama used to try to sneak by me playing Scrabble! |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
May 30, 2009
08:22 PM Post #6619487
| Here are Barite (left) and Selenite, Desert Roses! 
Click the image for an enlarged view.
|
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia
May 30, 2009
09:44 PM Post #6619850
| Yeah Dave, but do those photos show the difference between the male and female? ;O) |
popper1
Mulberry, FL
May 30, 2009
10:34 PM Post #6620059
| try this
http://www.flowerpictures.net/adenium/pages/adenium_hybridiz... |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
May 30, 2009
11:23 PM Post #6620288
| Thanks Popper1, very useful info.
Hey Tropicbreeze, in Hawai'i stones are called pohaku. Round smooth stones are considered wahine (female); Rough jagged stones, are considered kane (male).
I guess that since they are both rounded and somewhat smooth, they would be females by Hawaiian terms. |
Jimsned2
Fort Lauderdale, FL
May 31, 2009
10:52 AM Post #6621672
| Thank you one and all, Yea I know how expensive they are, I've purchased many of them. I have a neighbor who has a hugh one that I get seed pods from, and out of severel hundred seeds I've only been able to grow 7 plants, all of the common pink variety, so I bought 2 white one (very rare) and it's these I would like to get seed pods from. The white ones cost $70.00 each, once they are established they are great looking buses. Again, thank you, I'm going on to that web site you provided me with now. |
Jimsned2
Fort Lauderdale, FL
May 31, 2009
11:01 AM Post #6621709
| Popper1, wow, great web site, I can't thank you enough, looking at my previous posts I think I have to start watching my spelling, but then again I blame everything on my being an old man, so "youse" guys will just have to put up with this dumb gardener. |
Jimsned2
Fort Lauderdale, FL
May 31, 2009
11:06 AM Post #6621727
| Metrosideros, are they for real? they look like some one walked a dog and left a present on the lawn. |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
May 31, 2009
01:53 PM Post #6622352
| Yes Jimsned2, Barite Desert Roses are found in the Sahara Desert and in Oklahoma. Selenite (Gypsum) Desert Roses are found in Tunisia and Morocco, and in Arizona and New Mexico.
Aloha, Dave |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
May 31, 2009
08:17 PM Post #6623840
| Popper1, and a thank you from me!
I've found two kinds of Desert Rose, the green blooming plant, that are fragrant. I gotta have fragrance! They look like azaleas here, sometimes, they bloom so nicely. |
budgielover
Pinellas Park, FL
(Zone 9b)
June 01, 2009
05:33 PM Post #6627778
| I bought adenium seeds off ebay from someone in Thailand. They are hand pollinated from named varieties but won't some won't come true to the parents. Out of a tray of 72 I started a couple weeks ago, so far 30 have sprouted. Perhaps those with poor germination aren't fresh enough. |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
June 01, 2009
05:56 PM Post #6627871
| Yes. The seed must be very fresh, from what I'm gathering. The two fragrant varieties are $12 for 2 seeds(!!) (Or more) and they claim 85% germination.
Pooh, "I wanna be RICH!" |
budgielover
Pinellas Park, FL
(Zone 9b)
June 01, 2009
06:57 PM Post #6628061
| Here is the tray of seedlings with photos of the seed parents. I got the seeds from King Adenium. 
Click the image for an enlarged view.
|
budgielover
Pinellas Park, FL
(Zone 9b)
June 01, 2009
07:02 PM Post #6628080
| Here are seedlings from the same batch. The seed parent is the Bengai Variegated in the photo. One may be showing signs of possible variegation. 
Click the image for an enlarged view.
|
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
June 02, 2009
02:44 PM Post #6631847
| You bought the plant, King Adnenim? Confused here. You 'made' the seeds yourself, or bought them?
Durn, wish I hadn't found those two that are fragrant, and priced right through the roof! Some on that site were called excellent pollinators, also.
So they don't all have the bulbous bottoms? I rather like that weirdness. |
goofybulb
El Paso, TX
(Zone 8a)
June 02, 2009
02:50 PM Post #6631871
| That's funny! I've been thinking for a while now about Adeniums, and here's a thread!
While wondering in the Caudiciforms forum, I found this as a good recommended source for Adeniums (seedlings and seeds), and their prices are not that bad either:
http://www.snowbeltadeniums.com/adenium-seedlings/ |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
June 02, 2009
03:14 PM Post #6631972
| Now I've learned a nice big fancy new word! Cau di ci form. Hum. |
budgielover
Pinellas Park, FL
(Zone 9b)
June 02, 2009
03:17 PM Post #6631989
| King Adenium is the seller on Ebay that I bought the seeds from. He is in Thailand. The seeds in the tray are from the adeniums pictured. He said he hand pollinated the blooms to themselves but they don't always come true to the parent plant. |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
June 02, 2009
04:55 PM Post #6632408
| Oh, Thailand. I was there for six weeks. Why did I leave??????????? |
Jimsned2
Fort Lauderdale, FL
June 03, 2009
11:04 AM Post #6635932
| Budgielover, Are you going to try hand pollination yourself? I am told that there has to be a "Olenander moth" present to do the job natural, since my neighbor here in S. Florida gets about six seed pods a year on his, I can only guess that we have such moths hanging around, but I am bound and determined to hand pollinate just to see if I can do it, since I have red, white and pink plants it just might get interesting seeing what color plants I get. What did you use as a planting medium? |
budgielover
Pinellas Park, FL
(Zone 9b)
June 03, 2009
11:39 AM Post #6636109
| I use Jiffy seed starting mix for my seeds. It's soiless, peat, perlite & vermiculite, I believe but I would have to check the package. I love it for all seeds. Very light and well draining. I bottom water to keep the top soil dry to discourage fungus gnats.
At this point I don't have plans to hand pollinate as it will be some time before these seedlings mature and flower but by then, I may have more time to try it. |
Jimsned2
Fort Lauderdale, FL
June 04, 2009
08:35 AM Post #6640223
| Budgielover, thank you for the info, I'm going to home depot and see if they sell "jiffy seed starting mix", I've tried coconut mulch and vermiculate with sand, I can't remember what I used the first and only time I had some success with about 12 plants out of maybe a hundred seeds, I think I used miracle grow potting mix, then I had to get fancy and start reading how the professionals do it! I've even tried hydroponics, all with zero results. I'm sort of lucky that I continue to get my neighbors seed pods. Again thank yoiu for the info. |
budgielover
Pinellas Park, FL
(Zone 9b)
June 04, 2009
08:48 AM Post #6640256
| If you don't find it there, I get mine from Lowes. |
Jimsned2
Fort Lauderdale, FL
July 29, 2009
04:20 PM Post #6881213
| I've given up, planted over 75 seeds useing severel recomended methods and not one seedling to show for it. I know that potting a cutting is very easy, but then there is no buldge at the bottom which I think makes this plant attractive, Oh well, on to other plants where I at least stand a chance. Thank you all for advice given. |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
July 29, 2009
07:36 PM Post #6882132
| Bummer, that's a lot of seeds! |
budgielover
Pinellas Park, FL
(Zone 9b)
July 29, 2009
08:10 PM Post #6882301
| Jim
There's a great thread on pollinating & germinating adenium in the caudiciform forum. Are your seeds fresh?
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1010662/ |
