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By Geoff Stein (palmbob)
March 8, 2008
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My garden is a living collection of some of the most hazardous plants one can grow, from both a toxic and physical danger point of view. Yet I and my pets, and friends all manage to survive the experience of repeatedly wandering through it. OSHA would never sanction this plant collection due to the potential legal ramifcations of injury. But after one gets over the usual paranoia about eyes being poked out and pets and children being killed by all the toxic greenery, reality sets in and one starts to put things into perspective. In this article, that is what I will attempt to do.

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This originally began as an article about toxic plants and pets, but it was hard to ignore the other potential dangers of these plants, so it evolved into a dangerous plant article.  Well, THAT would be one huge topic so I decided to limit it to plants in my very own yard, as I do have an abnormally large number of toxic and spiny things, particularly for having such a dinky yard.  I hope my experiences as a veterinarian and a grower of sharp things can give the reader a fresh perspective about the hazards, and perceived hazards, of growing/ having certain plants. 

There are many long lists of toxic plants on the internet and in magazines and books.  But very little detail is available for consumers in terms of severity or potency of these toxins, nor how likely these toxic plants will get into you or your pets.  As a veterinarian working in emergency medicine I see many cases of poisoning in animals, but actually very few plant poisonings or injuries.  When one peruses over  the toxic lists of plants in my yard, and learns of all the spiny dangers lurking there, one might conclude that in order for pets, children or neighbors to be allowed even to venture out the back door they should have their mouths taped shut, heavy goggles applied and be wearing a coat of armor…. The other option would be to have the place bulldozed first and turned into a cement desert or featureless lawn in the name of safety.   You would think my knowledge of veterinary medicine would have kept me from stupidly growing such a dangerous garden, especially with 8 dogs, 2 cats and a bird that spend a lot of time out there.  In my own defense, I have planted most plants up in raised beds that have been ‘fenced’ off from the pets, but of course this does not stop the cats or bird, and some of the dogs still figure out ways to enter this hazard zone.  And I rarely have company over, but I still would not feel the need to have them sign waivers in order to spend time in the yard.  In reality, it is the plants really who need protection from intruding pets and people.  But that is a topic for another article, perhaps.  The following is a brief discussion of the toxic and dangerous plants I grow in my own yard and how realistically serious a health hazard they actually may be to pets and people.  Each plant will have a rating of 1-10 with 1 being a mild to non-issue in terms of my concern, and a 10 is one I am most concerned about.

Succulents

Aloes are included as toxic plants on many lists, though actual severity of poisoning is very low.  Aloe vera, the most commonly grown plant, is often in many pet ‘natural’ medications, both topical and oral, and few reports of toxicity exist.  However, aloes do contain saponins which can cause mild to severe gastrointestinal signs (vomiting, diarrhea and abdominal pain) as well as tremors.  But there are a number of studies (all done many many years ago, though) that seem to indicate this plant has a very low toxicity.  My own bird ate most of an Aloe vera plant and no symptoms of any kind were noted afterwards.  But still, it is a potential toxin, so a general recommendation is to try to at least be cautious with oral products containing aloe vera.  I rate Aloes a 1 for toxicity and a 3 for physical danger (some have sharp spines, though usually short spines).

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Aloe ferox seedlings and Aloe vera (latter not from my garden) are both common sources of skin and oral medications- not very dangerous

Agaves- some sites rate this is a toxic plant, but realistically it is not very toxic and actual cases of toxicity are pretty low.  However, these have very stout sharp terminal leaf spines, and many have even sharper marginal leaf thorns.  I rate this a 1 on the toxicity level, but nearly a 10 on the danger level (mostly in fear of poking a visitor’s eye out, particularly a child’s, or ripping someones arms to shreds that gets too close). These are probably the most dangerous plants I have in the garden in terms of human hazard potential.  Pet danger potential is much lower (thanks to pet’s having fur coats and being more coordinated than us humans).

Image purchased as Agave palmeri, this is a truly viscious plant- dangerous!

Dioscoreas- these are wild yams and uncooked can be pretty toxic (have saponins in the wood caudex).   If eaten, the toxins can cause a very uncomfortable rash in those that eat raw tubers.  However the poisons are easily removed by boiling.  Dogs rarely cook their own food, but the toxins are not highly dangerous, so I give this plant a 3 on the toxicity scale.  Plus I and just about all other growers of these forms of caudiciform Dioscoreas keep them in pots (too risky except in the mildest climates to keep in the ground overwinter).

Image my toxic Dioscorea collection

Yucca is also on some toxic plant pet lists, but I am unclear why.  I certainly have never heard of a case of yucca poisoning, and from what I can tell it is only mildly toxic. My yuccas are all fairly ‘soft’ leaved, too, except for Yucca rigida, so most are not serious sources of potential pain… but even the softer leaved plants have very sharp leaf-tips and most of these yuccas have lots of leaves making the spines harder to avoid than, let’s say, and agave of similar size.  So I rate these a 1 on the toxic scale and a 9 on the ocular danger level.

Image Yucca rigida in pot- not that toxic, but ouch!

Kalanchoes are succulent flowering plants in the family Crassulaceae and are on the ASPCAs top ten most common toxic plant list.  These plants do have significant toxicity that is far and above just about anything else in that family (most Crassulaceas are considered non-toxic).  Probably the most commonly grown plant is Kalanchoe bossfeldiana, sometimes called the Florist’s Kalanchoe, a common and beautiful house plant (or landscape plant in frost-free climates).  These plants have poisons that can cause damage to the heart and should be considered a real potential danger to your pet (dogs, usually- cats rarely try these).  However, actual cases of toxicity are relatively rare as these plants taste pretty bad and few dogs will eat enough plant tissue to make themselves sick.   Though unusual, actual toxicities are often serious and deaths have been recorded.  This is a plant you really do want to keep away from your plant-eating dogs or plant-tasting cats, just in case.  I rate Kalanchoes about an 8 on the toxic scale.

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Kalanchoe bossfeldiana (not mine- they never look this good), and Kalanchoe thyrsiflora in pot out of harm's way (I hope)- these are pretty toxic plants, but not too many dogs will eat them

Pachypodiums (aka Madagascar Palms) are fairly common house plants in most of the US and great outdoor landscapes species in the nearly frost-free zones.  This plant has toxins that have been historically used for poison tipped arrows, so the toxins are fairly serious (related to Oleander).  However the plants are heavily armed with spines and they taste horrible, too, so actual toxicities in small animals are nearly unheard of.  I have many pachypodiums and none of my pets have shown an interest in these noxiously spiny plants.  I rate these a 1 in terms of potential toxicity to my own pets, but a 6 in terms of physical danger (poking into an eye, etc.)

Image Pachypodium geayi clump up in safety of planter bed

Plumeria are in the same family as Pachypodiums, Adeniums and Oleander as well, but again actual toxicity cases are rare.  This is more of an irritant toxicity than a serious threat to life (unless a significant amount is ingested).  My dogs have chewed on plumeria cuttings without apparent ill effects, but most quickly give up the task, presumably thanks to the irritant qualities of the saps.  When trimming these plants one must be careful not to let the saps drip down into the eyes- cases of blindness from this have been reported. I rate these a 2 in terms of pet danger and a 1 otherwise (I will change that rating if I get some sap in my eye someday).

Image Plumeria in the yard (again out of the way, but leaves fall off)- not too dangerous

Cycads are succulents that are rapidly increasing in popularity as collector plants.  And the Sago Palm (not a real palm) is probably the most well known and planted of the cycads.  Toxicity with this species is actually fairly common and can be very severe, even fatal.  All parts of these plants are toxic, though most are spiny and are highly unpalatable.  But the seeds can be attractive to dogs and are actually the most toxic part of the plant.  Liver failure is the main concern with ingestion of this group of plants, but the poisons in cycads can also cause bleeding problems, severe GI upset, coma etc.  I own many cycads and have a lot of pets, too, and have yet to see a case of poisoning, but I am careful to remove all seeds/fruit of these plants from the area the dogs or bird can get to.  My own dogs have occasionally managed to chew up a cycad seedling, though usually only gnawing on the roots (still quite toxic), but obviously not enough to do themselves any harm.  But that has been a concern of mine from day 1.  If you own a dog that likes to dig up plants and gnaw on them, maybe these would be plants best left in tall pots or kept out of your yard.  I rate cycads, as plants, an 8, but the fruits as a 10 on the toxic scale.  From a physical hazard point of view, I rate these a 7, mostly for the human injury potential.  Animals seem oblivious to the spines, but because my pets seem to not notice how sharp the leaves actually are until they bump into them, I am sometimes concerned about them… but so far, no problems. 

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Sago palm (away from pets) and Encephalartos horridus (no dog in his/her right mind would try to chew on this anyway)- pretty dangerous plants for several reasons... but the fruits are the really toxic and attractive items... will be a long time before mine make any

Cacti- Fortunately I have few if any toxic cacti… but almost all my cacti (over 300 species) are covered in spines that would prevent most of my pets from even trying to chew on them.  My concerns about cacti are with the ones with long spines that could blind one of my pets or perhaps a visiting child.  Thankfully this has not happened, yet, but I do see at last one case of cactus spine in the eye of a pet a year at the emergency clinic, so am a bit concerned about this sort of injury.  Thankfully most of my dogs seem to be able to avoid these plants, though the cats seem less concerned (but very coordinated and probably unlikely to injure themselves).  The main problem I have had with cacti are the dogs stepping on shed spines or having cacti glom onto them as they sneak through the garden beds.  I have one Ferocactus seedling that has been relocated by one of the dogs over and over again (grabs onto his fur and goes for a ride).  And then we get injured when we pick up the dogs all covered with spines.  The bird avoids cacti as a rule (birds have excellent vision and can probably see spines other animals might not notice).  I rate cacti a 1 in terms of toxicity or ingestion problems, but a 9 in terms of eye danger and overall general annoying pain.

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These are some of the more dangerous plants (to my own person, at least) in the garden- very painful and annoying

Euphorbias- the most infamous of all the holiday plants is the Poinsettia of course, and yet it has been shown over and over to be only mildly toxic to pets, potentially but rarely causing some GI upset or skin irritation from the saps.  However, there are many other more toxic and irritating Euphorbias in my yard, with the pencil cactus (Euphorbia tirucali) being near the top of the list.  This plant is easily the most easily ‘annoyed’ by ones’ touch, and responds with oozing a lot of thick, white, toxic latex from its every injured pore.  Though I luckily seem to have minimal sensitivity to Euphorbia sap, I have a friend who is highly sensitive and breaks out in a severe rash whenever he touches the sap.  I have gotten this stuff in my eye and that was a most unpleasant experience.  So far the Euphorbias have been a non-issue with the pets as they avoid them completely.  Even the bird, who likes to take a nibble out of everything, seems put off by Euphorbias. I rate Euphorbias a 2 on the toxicity level, but a 6 on the potentially painful rating (some are very sharp and I have poked myself a number of times).

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Poinsettia growing outdoors (not too dangerous)  Euphobia echinus in planter box (moderately painful)    Sticks of Fire to be planted (moderately irritating)

Ornithogallum longigracteatum (pregnant onion)- this is a fairly toxic plant and can cause serious injury to the heart if ingested.  I have no idea how likely it is to be ingested, but I keep it out of reach of the dogs.  However, I can find no actual cases of pet poisonings in the literature and certainly have not seen one in practice (that I knew of at least).  I rate this is an 8 on toxicity, but 1 otherwise.  Sure is an easy, if not even invasive, plant.

Bulbs

I am not a big flowering plant grower, but I have grown my share of garlic, agapanthus, lilies, daffodils, freesias, tulips and amaryllis.  All except perhaps the freesias should be considered serious potential toxins for pets, and particularly the lilies for cats.  Why lilies are so toxic to cats is still unknown, but if even a tiny amount is ingested, it can lead to liver failure.  Lilies are commonly kept as house plants and very popular around Easter.  Cats like to nibble on green things, and often taste lilies before deciding they do not taste good… but sadly, all it takes is a taste sometimes to cause serious ill effects.  This, to me, is a 10 on the potential toxin list, at least as a house plant.  In yards where there are so many other green things to nibble on, the potential dangers to cats are far less (but still there).  I no longer grow lilies except a few day lilies (though admittedly not for reasons of toxicity- I just have no room for them).

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Easter Lilies indoors and Tiger Lilies outdoors (photos by nativeplantfan and echoes)

All the bulbs are toxic to dogs (and to cats, but I have never heard of a cat eating a bulb) and some dogs will dig these plants up and eat them.  Thankfully, this is not a common occurrence, but I have seen at least 2 toxicities from toxic garden bulb ingestion (neither were seriously ill, though) in other people’s pets.  

 Image Daffodil in my yard (no takers in terms of munching to far)

The only bulb requiring further discussion is garlic.  Onions and garlic are very toxic bulbs though few dogs would purposely eat such plants.  However, toxicities due to garlic are very common- perhaps the most common plant toxicity in pets that there is.  Why?  Because we humans purposefully feed it to them, thinking it’s actually good for them.  It is NOT.  Garlic, even in small doses, is toxic, in any form.  Thankfully most dogs do not get enough to do them permanent or serious damage, but many more get true toxic doses than anyone realizes.  Garlic is a common ‘natural’ cure for all that ails both people and pets.  However, there is no justified reason to give any garlic to dogs or cats.  It is Not a good product for flea or any parasite repellent, nor is it good for anything else that ails a pet.  But it can cause very serious gastrointestinal damage, bleeding, liver damage, and most commonly a serious and potentially fatal form of anemia.   I rate most of these bulbs as 8s on the toxic list, but garlic I rate as a 10 just because it shows up in so many forms other than in my garden.

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 Society garlic (photo by Xenomorph); supplement found in pet store with garlic in it- just because it's for sale doesn't mean its safe

Flowering plants

I realize this is potentially a huge category, but I have very few flowering plants, so for me, it is a small one.  The only flowering plants I have grown of note are Oleander (super-toxic!), Bird of Paradise (both the Strelitzias and Caesalpinias), Azaleas, Lantana, Morning Glory , Brugmansia and Nandina (that last one is a weed planted by the previous home owner and I can’t get rid of it).  Oleander (I no longer grow this) is a very toxic plant- one of the most toxic there are.  Still, I have never personally heard of a case of pet poisoning with this plant (livestock poisonings are common, as cattle will eat anything they come across).  It has a horrible taste.  But it is a deadly cardiac toxin and only a small amount eaten can be deadly.  I often marvel that there is more than enough oleander grown as a highway landscaping plant in California to kill every human on the planet.  The more common problem with this species is as an irritant.  Those that prune this plant often complain of serious rashes from its saps (sometimes worse than Euphorbia rashes).  I rate Oleander a 10 on the toxic scale and a 7 on the physical danger scale. 

 

 Image Oleander (photo by Clare_CA)

Azaleas have a similar oral toxicity (actually a different toxin, but end result the same), but the contact irritant potential is far less.   These are also a 10 toxic scale-wise, but a 1 otherwise.

 Image Azalea similar to the one I grew once (photo by Bigcityal)

Lantana is a fairly toxic plant but it is mostly a herd animal hazard.  The berries and leaves have some serious toxins that can cause GI signs and liver failure, but rarely are dogs or cats affected (few dogs or cats can stomach the horrible taste).  Some reports of children eating berries have resulted in notable toxicities, but the outcomes were not discussed. Birds seem to be pretty resistant to the toxins as I see them eating the berries all the time (not my pet parrot, though).  This plant is about a 6 in the toxic rating scale, and a 5 on the irritating scale (has nasty fuzzy spines that are hard to remove from ones skin).

 Image Lantana in my yard- up and out of the way- mildly dangerous

Strelitzias are supposedly toxic, but actual toxic episodes are very rare.  My dogs routinely tear up the leaves of this plant (doubt much is ingested) with no ill effects.  These are a 1 on my toxic scale.

 Image Dogs chew this up all the time- minimal danger

Caesalpinias have a neurotoxin but severe cases of poisoning are rare (though rabbit deaths have been recorded).  None of my pets are interested in these.  Caesalpinias rate a 5 on my toxic scale.

 Image Caesalpinia gilliesii

also referred to as bird of paradise, this one is a tad more toxic, but still not a huge concern

Morning Glories have an LSD-like toxin and ingestion, particularly of the seeds, can lead to hallucinations (don’t know if my dogs have ever hallucinated) but actual cases of poisoning, at least in pets is rare.  I no longer have one of these as I consider it a ‘super weed’ (nearly impossible to eradicate).  These rate a 2 on my toxic scale.

 Image Morning Glory

one of the worst things I could have planted in the yard- but not from a danger standpoint

Brugmansias are another infamously toxic plant in the nightshade family, and surprisingly there are many cases of human poisonings from this plant (all intentional and most ‘recreational’).  This is a hallucinogenic plant but its actual toxicity is probably quite exaggerated.   No reports of pet toxicities that I could find, and all the human toxicity cases in people I read about resulted in a lot of loopy, stoned people, none of which died, even after ingesting concentrated forms of this plant.  I rate this a 4 on my own toxicity scale, as mine are making seeds and I would presume the seeds to be more toxic than the rest of the plant (I might be wrong there).  But thankfully these are also in the front yard and the dogs will never even get a chance to eat the seeds.

 Image living death?  I think not.  But don't eat it just in case.

Nandina, or Heavenly Bamboo, is a very toxic plant and thankfully mine is in the front yard far from the dogs.  Again, actual cases of toxicity are uncommon, but it has some cyanide in the berries.  Oddly birds seem to be resistant to these toxins.  This is more of a concern for livestock than for most pets.  These rate an 8 on the toxic scale, but a 10 on my nuisance scale (fodder for another discussion).

 Image Mine has yet to grow berries like this one (photo pdb_eloopj)

Non-flowering plants

These are not really non-flowering, but the flowers are not the attraction at least.  Most of these I consider foliage plants: Philodendrons, Monsteras, Alocasias, Ivy, Draecenas, Caladiums etc.  Almost all these plants are toxic thanks to oxylates in the foliage.  Ingesting oxylates cause a lot of irritation all along the GI tract (as far as they get before being vomited up).  I have to say I have seen a fatal toxicity from a manic dog gobbling up an entire Diffenbachia, but that was a pretty rare occurrence.  My dogs do not mess with any of these plants- guess a chew or two and that’s that.  The bird has nibbled on a few philodendrons, but without apparent ill effects.  Cats usually avoid these plants.  I rate these about a 3 on the toxic scale.

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Philodendrons and Alocasias in my yard- dogs don't go in this part of the yard, but toxicity concerns are extremely low anyway

Ivy has a different toxic principle, but actual poisonings from eating ivy are rare, presumably from it tasting bad.  However, ivy can be a problem for herbivorous pets, like rabbits, though, again, most do not eat enough to cause a problem.  I rate ivy a 2 on the toxic scale since I don’t own a rabbit.  But it is an annoying weed in my yard.

 Image Ivy above ground, but trails to dog level- no interest.  Minimal danger concerns

Miscellaneous plants 

Really the only plant I put in this nebulous category is the grape.  I have 6 grape vines and grapes fall to the ground now and then, and my dogs have all had several.  Well, as it turns out grapes are very serious potential toxins.  What is odd is that most dogs that eat them are not poisoned for some reason.  But some are and severe and potentially fatal kidney damage can result.  For this reason I am pretty industrious about collecting the grapes before the dogs do.  I have noticed the parrot eating an enormous amount of grapes, but apparently they are not toxic to birds.  I have not seen/treated a case of grape toxicity, but numerous cases show up on the ASPCA case log weekly.  I rate grapes as an 8 on the potential toxic scale, just in case any of my dogs are susceptible.

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These grapes were all ingested by my dogs and this WAS a big concern of mine- thankfully no sensitive dogs ate them.  From now on I will be more careful to harvest grapes sooner.  Still, the statistical chances of toxicity are low

Trees

There are few very toxic trees one can grow, but I don’t grow too many myself.  Scheffleras are on the endless plant toxic list for the same reason as most of the above foliage plants- oxylates.  My tree is out front away from pets (not for the reason of toxicity, though).  I have never seen/heard of a case of toxicity with this tree.  Rating is a 1.

 Image one of two Scheffleras, both in front, but would be very little concern anyway if these were in back with pets

I do grow a coral tree which has moderately toxic bark and roots, but the seeds are very toxic (mine is out front, again, and also years from the seed-making stage).  There are several potent toxins including alkaloids that can potentially cause vomiting, diarrhea and even respiratory paralysis, as well as cyanide.  This might be a tree I would not want to grow and get large in a yard where many curious dogs were confined.  Still, actual cases of poisoning are rare (I have never seen one).  Actual pet poisoning cases are very rare.  Still, I would rate an adult tree an 8 on the toxic scale, and a 5 on the dangerous one (many Erythrinas are heavily armed with thorns).

 Image my own coral 'tree'... some day.  Seeds are VERY toxic.  Planted in front away from dogs

Citrus trees are non-toxic, but some have horrifically sharp, thick, strong spines (like my Lime tree).  Why I planted it near an area I go by all the time is beyond me.  Fortunately the spines are far above the animals, so they are not in any danger, but I rate this a 7 just for human danger.

 Image not toxic but very hazardous tree

Manihot- this is a relative of the tapioca tree with toxic leaves and bark (contains a cyanide poison).  The leaves are quite toxic, but thankfully also extremely bitter, so few animals would be able to ingest enough to do themselves some harm.  I have never seen a poisoning from Manihot, but then it is a fairly rarely grown plant.  I rate this a 5 on the toxic scale, but actually danger is far less.

 Image moderately toxic but unpalatable (Manihot sp.)

Bunya Bunya tree- this Araucaria is like a giant, spiny cycad of a tree- non-toxic but very sharp and spiny.  I think I am stabbed by this tree’s lower branches more often than by all the other plants in the yard combined (and that’s a LOT).  But in terms of actual danger, it is probably only a 3.  Mature bunya bunya trees develop very heavy cones that can easily crush a person’s skull should one be unfortunate to be hit by one… but my tree is many decades from that stage of growth, and that is still a very unlikely event, regardless.

 Image nontoxic but incredibly spiny tree

And of course, I have lots of palms, all which are non-toxic and ‘user-friendly’ except for the Fishtail palms and Arenga (Sugar Palm).  These two genera of palms produce toxic fruits (oxylates again) that not only can cause very severe oral inflammation (not to mention the rest of the GI tract) if ingested, but are actually irritating just to handle (will burn the skin if the juices get on one’s hands).  Thankfully, mine are all seedlings and a good decade away from making seeds… and are in the front so the dogs will never be tempted to eat one.  I rate these a 3, only because fruits are more easily gobbled up than other parts of plants, but I have not heard of a single case of pet poisoning from these palms.

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my own Caryota seedlings                       maturing seed from Caryota mitis (photo by bigcityal)            Arenga engleri with ripening seed- moderate toxicity

So as you can see that despite the large number of toxic plants in my yard, probably my major concerns are over personal injury, not pet or human toxicity potential.  The paranoia associated with plant and pet/child toxicity needs to be modified with a touch of reality.  But proper respect of all sorts of plant dangers is still wise.  Just keep things in perspective, as I and my pets do.


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Subject: Donkey Tail Spurge - human avoidance: 10


Posted by wratchetwrist (from Little Valley, NY) on March 11, 2008 at 3:56 AM:

I have another one on the human avoidance scale in the Euphorbia family - Donkey Tail Spurge - (Euphorbia myrsinites) after some research, we determined that this was the culprit... My mom and I had gone to fetch my son from college - and hit up several nurseries on the trip (Dutch Gardens and Horsford's, in Vermont and Lazy River Farms in Warrensburg/Lake George, NY), and found this 'cute' little spurge to add to my collection... Evidently, in packing it in the truck bed to come home, I must have broken off a leaf or something (or maybe just touched IT instead of the cardboard flat it was in...) and then touched my face, because within an hour after packing it the first time, (then repacking it and the rest of our plants and my son's stuff) when we stopped to have lunch, I had a couple of noticeable boil-type things popping up which eventually started weeping, and finally went away, but boy, did they burn for a while! It made driving quite a miserable task for a couple of hours, and I'm really lucky I wear glasses... Whether or not it'll show up, I don't know, but I'm attaching a picture, the plant on one side and my 'blisters' on the other - and this was about 20 minutes after my face started its burning sensation. They got a lot bigger before they started draining and finally went away... I'm sure to wear gloves - and rinse them with the hose as soon as I'm done whenever I'm around this one now (and then wash them)!

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Posted by palmbob (from Tarzana, CA) on March 11, 2008 at 10:15 AM:

Those are typical sores from a lot of Euphorbia sap that sensitive people get (my friend gets those, too, with ANY sap from either Euphorbia or Oleander). Face is a more sensitive place than most. I get that sort of reaction from poison oak

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Posted by fear (from london
(Canada)) on March 15, 2008 at 2:24 PM:

ok i;ll see if this one works thanks for replying. i have a chineese fan that is over wintering in a well ventilated fairly humid south ex. room in ontario, on a pebble bed prob. temp 70 day to 62 nite. i watch the watering & spray to keep it dusted & add a bit of humidity, & it seems happy very little brown tipping good green colour no lost fronds all winter BUT it has little dark spots in lines on under side of fronds no bugs & sort of tiny orange brown spots with rings on upper & lower side of fronds. i;ve looked up viruses & diseases but can;t decide if it;s environmental or virus as confusing in this book. i wash through soil occasionally to avoid salt build up.this is a biggish palm 6 ft. with large fronds but when i rescued it from awful abuse last fall i had to cut off 7 fronds which were toast & i now know from your articles that they don;t like that so....????? any ideas would be appreciated. Deborah

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Posted by palmbob (from Tarzana, CA) on March 15, 2008 at 10:56 PM:

New fronds, old fronds or all fronds?

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Subject: Learn something new every day

Posted by kmm44 (from Dayton, OH) on March 11, 2008 at 12:29 AM:

I have a euphorbia, cushion spurge, that is pretty invasive. I like to keep the patches under control by pulling out the excess and don't always wear gloves. I must not be sensitive to the sap because all I ever feel is the stickiness. Hmmmm, guess I better start wearing gloves all the time when pulling it out.

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Subject: nice collection!

Posted by Nasagirl45 (from Newport Center, VT) on March 10, 2008 at 4:19 PM:

have you ever thought about adding poison ivy and poison oak to your collection?

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Posted by palmbob (from Tarzana, CA) on March 10, 2008 at 10:50 PM:

Ha Ha! Poison ivy I don't think would grow here, and Poison oaks is not that attractive to me... I have had a severe case of poison oak, so don't want to repeat that experience!

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Posted by Nasagirl45 (from Newport Center, VT) on March 11, 2008 at 1:50 PM:

you can grow any plant such as poison ivy anywhere if you supply them with their special needs, if you live in the desert and have a plant that needs chill hours, you can stick it in a fridge or some other cold room. i think no one would deliberately want to grow those two plants anywhere. your right, poison oak and ivy are terrible!

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Posted by Fitsy (from Hayesville, NC) on March 11, 2008 at 8:34 PM:

Poison sumac is worse. But thanks so very much
for the info about plants that we didn't know about!
Fitsy

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Subject: brugmansia toxicity

Posted by fervidfemme82 (from london
(Canada)) on March 10, 2008 at 2:25 PM:

re the brugmansia: it is important not to underestimate this plant. like datura, it contains atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscymine (cholinergic blockers) in amounts that are significant enough that i have accidentally poisoned myself through touching the leaves and then touching mucus membranes or eating without washing my hands first.
in low doses it is psychotropic (drowsiness, euphoria, amnesia, delerium, mental confusion) and the doses i have recieved accidentally were enough to mildly impair my sight and mental processes.
in higher doses, these compounds CAN BE FATAL.
every summer in ontario, kids wind up in the hospital because they've heard that these plants are fun recreationally. true, the effects may be fun, but these compounds have been known to cause permanant psychosis, and a dose only slightly higher than the hallucinogenic dose causes death in humans.

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Subject: palm problem

Posted by fear (from london
(Canada)) on March 10, 2008 at 2:19 PM:

i have been watching for a reply to my e mail from you ,any hope ? deborah

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Posted by palmbob (from Tarzana, CA) on March 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM:

I'm sorry.. .what e-mail is this?

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Subject: Other toxic ornamentals?

Posted by Cymbalariadave (from Barnesville, GA) on March 10, 2008 at 11:24 AM:

What about Castor bean? I've always heard that ricin is one of the most toxic substances known. Should this not be mentioned as related to the Euphorbias?

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Posted by palmbob (from Tarzana, CA) on March 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM:

I would mention it if I grew it, but I don't, for multiple reasons.. .first being Castor bean is a weed out here and it grows all over the place (huge stands of it line many roads), so it would not be something that would interest me to put in a garden (would be like adding crab grass on purpose to my garden)... but secondly, that IS a severely toxic plant and even eating a single seed of it would probably kill any of my dogs or bird... not taking THAT big a risk! We do see dogs that die acutely for unknown reasons, and I wonder sometimes if it could be Castor bean poisoning (one of the primary symptoms is sudden death).

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Posted by Cymbalariadave (from Barnesville, GA) on March 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM:

Thanks, palmbob. It's interesting how a weed in one locale can be well behaved in another. I see castor occasionally here in central Georgia, but it never seems to get out of hand. If I grow any, I'll be sure to keep my dog away from it.

Here's another question about Castor. Isn't it the source of castor oil? If so, how do they extract the oil without getting the toxin? And how many people died before they found uses for castor oil?

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Posted by palmbob (from Tarzana, CA) on March 29, 2008 at 11:31 PM:

now you are asking something about which I know nothing... sorry

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Subject: Why birds are not affected?

Posted by goofybulb (from El Paso, TX) on March 8, 2008 at 7:39 PM:

Great article, Geoff! Very instructive and funny at the same time, so I really enjoyed reading it!
Then I went to my little garden and counted the toxic levels!... while a flock of birds flew over my head.
Then I remembered a program on Animal Planet, I think, that talked about some parrotts eating a lot of bad/toxic/weird fruits and never getting sick/high/dead because they ingested a lot of clay! At least those particular parrotts were eating from a wall of clay like crazy! Apparently the clay adsorbs toxins in the digestive tract, before they enter the blood flow.
This doesn't mean, though, that it can work for cats, dogs or even humans... I never saw a cat, or a dog for that matter, eating earth. As for people, I heard two versions of the story: some say it's a disease, or as a result of low calcium levels. Others claim that ingestion of a certain amount of special clay (as a slush, mixed with water) can cure acne. I would read more about it before trying, and thank God I passed puberty a long time ago...
Alexandra

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Subject: Garlic & Lilies, who would have thought

Posted by tetleytuna (from Columbia, MO) on March 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM:

Thank you for the great article. I read it with interest. Very surprised to learn the bit about garlic. I had always heard is was great for them, so glad that I never got around to trying it.

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Posted by planolinda (from Plano, TX) on March 8, 2008 at 7:39 PM:

when i was young i ate a poisonous plant--we grew rhubarb and i guess i thought the plant next to it was ok to eat too --it really hurt my throat so badly that i ran in hollering--maybe a lot of plants that are dangerous taste horrible as natures warning not to eat--

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Posted by KyWoods (from Melbourne, KY) on March 8, 2008 at 11:24 PM:

Why in the world do so many canine supplements contain garlic, touted as a flea repellant? Yikes!

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Posted by palmbob (from Tarzana, CA) on March 9, 2008 at 12:30 AM:

I agree- yikes! Not a good flea repellent anyway, and certainly not a good idea to purposefully put in food. No idea how manufacturers get away with that. There is no good FDA for pet products!

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Subject: Bravo! a little common sense

Posted by chrissy100 (from Sydney
(Australia)) on March 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM:

At last Geoff! someone stating some true facts on what is deadly in the garden! it might be easier to ask what isn't "dangerous" in the garden.
thanks so much
chrissy

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Posted by irisMA (from South Hamilton, MA) on March 8, 2008 at 1:18 AM:

I might add that laurel is very toxic to horses, though no information on leaf chewing cars.

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Posted by doccat5 (from Fredericksburg, VA) on March 8, 2008 at 6:13 AM:

Well done, article. Thanks

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Posted by Dutchlady1 (from Naples, FL) on March 8, 2008 at 8:44 AM:

Very informative as always!!

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Posted by McGlory (from Southeast, NE) on March 8, 2008 at 10:21 AM:

I enjoyed this article very much. It also made me laugh in a few spots:

Quoted:
I rate cacti a 1 in terms of toxicity or ingestion problems, but a 9 in terms of eye danger and overall general annoying pain.

That cracked me up!

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Posted by darius (from Marion, VA) on March 8, 2008 at 11:33 AM:

Good information, Thanks! I lost my dachshund to rapid onset kidney failure from grapes. Nice to know about some of the other plants being poor choices...

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Posted by stetchworth (from Ocean Springs, MS) on March 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM:

I found this to be very informative since I have 4 dogs and a lot of the information there I did not know about. You did a great job on this article, thanks.

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Posted by plantladylin (from East Central, FL) on March 8, 2008 at 8:37 PM:

Very informative/educational article! I really enjoyed it!

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Posted by roybird (from Santa Fe, NM) on March 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM:

Good article. What isn't potentially toxic or dangerous to somebody?

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Posted by tucsonjill (from Tucson, AZ) on March 8, 2008 at 10:30 PM:

Thanks for a dose of common sense! I appreciate the ratings of toxicity vs. physical damage, as well as the discussion of "this is toxic, but tastes so bad that pets never eat enough to get sick"!

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Posted by KyWoods (from Melbourne, KY) on March 8, 2008 at 11:26 PM:

Fascinating and important info, thanks. What beautiful plants, dangerous or not!

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Posted by quiltygirl (from Wildomar, CA) on March 10, 2008 at 10:34 AM:

We have oleander behind the house and when the horses and goats have "let themselves out" of the pasture in the middle of the night, they have always avoided it. I guess because the palms, mulberrry, and fountain grass taste so much better!!

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Posted by marwood0 (from Golden, CO) on March 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM:

Common sense is right but of course, there are those animals and children that will suprise you. I had one dog that ate Poke Weed berries (Phytolacca americana) all the time. He would then go lay on the rug and throw up, staining the rug purple. Our vet was very dry and to the point, and when asked why our dog would do that, his reply was "Because he's a dog." The other animals did not bother the Poke Weed.

I have a dog and small children and I still grow several toxic plants at home. Sacred Tobacco (Nicotiana rustica), Giant chincherinchee (Ornithogalum saundersiae), and the very annoying Buffalo Bur (Solanum rostratum) to name a few. Upon reading how toxic these plants are, one of my coworkers was extremely worred about my kids eating them, but it just doesn't happen. Firt of all, I dare say no one can eat Buffalo Bur due to the thorns (which the kids are very respectful of). They have shown absolutely no interest in the Giant chincherinchee. One of the kids started to put a tobacco seed pod in his mouth once, but even if I had let him, I seriously doubt he would have had any problem.

I had a goose that ate my aloe with no ill affects. The most annoying problem I ever encountered with dangerous plants was when my chicken decided to roost on top of a prickly pear cactus one night. I had to bring her in the house to pull out several hundred microscopic thorns, which due to all the flapping got spread all over the kitchen floor and on my clothes. Keep your chickens away from prickly pears!

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Posted by cactuspatch (from La Luz/Alamogordo, NM) on March 10, 2008 at 7:05 PM:

Great article! I can't imagine not growing oleanders, cactus, and lantanas along with others you mention. You put it all into a proper prospective. I still laugh at those who worry about getting stuck by cactus. I grew up playing in the cactus fields and never got stuck until recent years when I started growing them in pots. No biggie, I just pull them out! Duh! I actually learned to ride a bike on a truck rut surrounded by cactus and never fell or ran into any cactus spines-of course that was almost 50 years ago when we rode in open pickup beds etc. LOL!

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Posted by KyWoods (from Melbourne, KY) on March 10, 2008 at 11:53 PM:

Wow, cactuspatch, that's pretty good incentive for staying on your bike! LOL My first experience with a cactus was when traveling out west with my family, at age ten. I had my picture taken next to a prickly pear, and afterwards, I noticed all the tiny round patches of "fuzz". Well, gee, they looked so nice and soft...Dad spent hours tweezing them out of my hand. Who woulda thought I'd grow up with a fascination for them! At one point, as a teen, I counted 109 cacti and succulent plants in my room. Unfortunately, I only have room for a few here, but one of these days...

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