Our roots can be traced back to 1909 when Victor H. Dunton established a farm to support his family and to serve our local community of Liberal, Oregon. Building upon our ancestor’s efforts, the Victory Seed Company was organized in 1998 on Victor's farm. Using the power of the internet, the community that we now serve is global.
The Victory Seed Company remains an independent, farm-based, family owned and operated organization working to protect threatened seed varieties from becoming extinct. We work with cherished family heirlooms, rare old commercial releases, as well as newer interesting varieties - some of which we ourselves have released. Regardless of their histories, all of the seeds which we offer are open-pollinated, non-hybrid, non-GMO and not chemically treated.
Our mission is focused on cultivar accuracy, seed quality, customer support and of course, keeping these vegetable, herb, and flower seeds available to our home gardening supporters. It is through the support of your purchases that we are able to continue our seed variety preservation work. We also support the work of many charitable organizations by annually donating thousands of dollars worth of seeds for their outreach and educational programs.
Victory Seed Company reps are always there to help. I get fast and informative email replies. The seeds are high quality of course, but if it weren't for their responsiveness to my inquiries, my gardens wouldn't be nearly as successful as they've been.
Jaesmyth Watkinsville, GA (3 reviews) June 2, 2015
Our order was processed quickly, shipped promptly, and we had about a 95% germination rate.
The plants are doing wonderfully!
I am so glad we chose to do business with Victory Seed Company, I couldn't have asked for anything more.
Five star experience! Company representative comment on June 19, 2015: On Jun 19, 2015 6:08 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for the kind words and for taking the time to post them here, Jaesmyth. Your word of mouth recommendations to other gardeners is greatly appreciated.
We hope that you have a productive harvest and look forward to being of service to you in the future.
I am absolutely delighted with Mike and the folks at Victory Seeds. Wonderful selection of seeds, courteous service and prompt processing and delivery. I recently received my first order delivered to here in Canada in just under two weeks. I really appreciated the e-mail notifications of the status of my order so I knew exactly when it had been received, fulfilled and shipped. It was my first order, but definitely won't be my last!! Thanks!!!Company representative comment on March 15, 2015: On Mar 15, 2015 10:27 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Hi bickster! By supporting our seed variety preservation work with your orders and your word-of-mouth recommendations, we consider you among our partners in this work.
Thank you for taking the time to leave your recommendation here for other gardeners to consider. We look forward to being of service to you in the future.
One of my favorite online seed sources.
Victory Seed carries a lot of hard to find open pollinated varieties, including many rare seeds.
The shipping is always fast too.
As someone who rarely uses all of the seed in a single packet at one time, I really appreciate the ziploc bag inside the paper seed packet.
Another bonus is the full description of the product on the paper seed packet. So many companies do not provide that information on the seed packet. Most have generic information that applies to all varieties of the particular type of seed.
Victory lists the days to maturity along with other information right on the packet. This saves having to locate the listing for specific seeds when making decisions about what to grow.
I've had very good germination with all of the seeds I've purchased and appreciate the little things that make this company special. Company representative comment on March 15, 2015: On Mar 15, 2015 9:50 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for noticing "the little things" debles, and for your praises.
It is always great to hear that our efforts are appreciated and especially awesome that you took the time to share your experiences using Victory Seeds with all of the gardeners here at the Garden Watchdog. Thank you for supporting us with your orders and your word-of-mouth recommendations.
Posted on February 7, 2015, updated March 4, 2015
Posted on February 6, 2015, updated February 7, 2015
I have never ordered from this company, but was thrilled with how quickly they sent the seeds. Many people think well of this company, so I am looking forward to growing the seeds. I was disappointed that they were already out of some seeds I wanted (Mexico Midget) but I am glad they have a waiting list.On February 7th, 2015, Lilyhazen added the following:
MIke, I did click on the waiting list for 3-4 items. I am keeping my fingers crossed! Keep up the good work, and thanks for replying so quickly!On March 4th, 2015, Lilyhazen added the following:
Got a notice that one of the items I wanted was now available, so I ordered and got it quickly. I really appreciate that!
If I could make one suggestion--if someone orders something after being on the wait list, it would be nice if the price of shipping (which is great) could be reduced a bit. Getting one packet is doubled in price by the shipping cost.
Still, a great company!Company representative comment on February 7, 2015: On Feb 6, 2015 2:09 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for taking the time to write the nice comment. Since we know it is \"that time of year\" and that the seeds won\'t be staying in their packets very long once they are in your hands, we do work hard to get folks\' orders out as quickly as we can. Thank you for noticing that.
Regarding out of stock items . . . if you look on the variety\'s product page, when it is out of stock there is a button that is available that allows you to add yourself to the \"Waiting List\" for that item. When I get it back into stock, you are sent an automated email letting you know.
The reason that I mention that is often, we are not really out of stock, it is just that the system thinks we are an one of us has to review inventory and update the cart. We do this daily.
Thank you again for choosing to garden with Victory Seeds® and for helping to support our seed variety preservation work with your order!
On Feb 7, 2015 5:18 PM, Victory Seed Company added:
Drop me an email at info (at) victoryseeds.com so I can update you.
jumpinjo Marshalltown, IA (Zone 5a) (12 reviews) February 15, 2015
I have go-to seed companies I use but Victory had seeds I wanted to try. Very happy with the service and the seeds. Will order again!Company representative comment on March 3, 2015: On Mar 3, 2015 10:50 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your review here and for letting us be part of your garden this season.
We look forward to being of service to you in the future and hope to earn the spot as your "go-to" seed company.
Thank you again for helping to support our seed variety preservation work with your order! ~Mike
I ordered 23 packs of seeds on Monday and had them in my hands on Friday! Definitely surprised but very excited. I love the selection and am a huge fan of the heirloom, NON-GMO, less well known choices they offer. I found the prices really reasonable by comparison to other companies and in fact cheaper than many. I will most definitely be ordering from them again and don't care if I never get another catalog from the "big guys". Great job, keep up the good work!Company representative comment on February 7, 2015: On Feb 7, 2015 9:17 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Getting such nice praise really makes all of our day here. We have a great team of skilled and dedicated folks who work hard at getting orders sent out as quickly as possible. By the way, it is the same team that plants in the spring, cultivates in the summer and harvests in the fall :)
Thank you so much for supporting our seed variety preservation work with your orders and I am glad that you chose us over the "big guys" to partner with you in your garden.
As a new customer from Zone 13, I was pleased by the swiftness and response to my January order. The seeds came well-packaged, and the first planting showed high germination.
On the packaging: I was impressed with detailed lable on the standard sized packets. Then I noticed two things which put Victory Seeds ahead of their competition: first, the seeds are in a clear resealable plastic bag which keeps mosture out and provides a clear view of the seed condition; second, the outer standard size packet is resealable which allows the gardener to keep the seeds organized and out of direct light. I am convinced that this packaging contributes to the high germination rates that I found on first planting.
On the shipping: I also appreciate that the seeds came via USPS which handled the package tracking and first class postage with ease. I believe more companies should use our national postal service, and that is a plus in Victory's favor. Besides, so many companies cannot ship to Hawaii and Alaska because they rely on non-USPS shipping.
On timelyness: I received my order within 4 days, which allowed me to begin planting that weekend. My peas and beets are doing well.
Well done, Victory Seeds.
I look forward to my next package.Company representative comment on February 7, 2015: On Feb 7, 2015 9:10 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Wow! Thank you for sharing such a great report. It is awesome when someone notices all of the little details that we do . . . Especially when they take the time, like you did, to let us know.
I hope that you have a great gardening season and we look forward to being of service to you in the future.
johnsonr9 Eagle Rock, VA (1 review) February 7, 2015
Haven't planted yet but great selection and service and reasonable prices. Thanks.Company representative comment on February 7, 2015: On Feb 7, 2015 4:18 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for your order and for taking the time to post your feedback. Both are greatly appreciated. Have a great gardening season and shoot me an email if I can be of further assistance. Best, ~Mike
Posted on May 11, 2014, updated February 2, 2015
Ordered my seeds on the 6th and got them on the 10th. Well packed and adequate info on the packages for planting and care.. I like!!!On February 2nd, 2015, Lozo added the following:
2015 - ordered seeds on Wednesday and received complete order on Saturday!Company representative comment on February 2, 2015: On May 11, 2014 8:19 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for the feedback, Lozo. I try and cram as much info as possible onto the packets. If you have other questions, there is typically more information on the VictorySeeds.com site and for more regionally specific help, I have been working on a \"side project\" at http://www.WebGrower.com. Thank you again for sharing your experiences with other gardeners here at the Garden Watchdog and for helping to support our preservation work with your orders. Best Regards, ~Mike
On Feb 2, 2015 11:25 PM, Victory Seed Company added:
Thank you for your recent order and for your post here. We appreciate it. Have a great gardening season!
newwine2go Pickens, SC (1 review) January 30, 2015
Victory Seeds was prompt with the order and I look forward to using their seeds. Thanks for the great service!Company representative comment on February 2, 2015: On Feb 2, 2015 11:34 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you! We look forward to hearing how your garden does. ~Mike
I have purchased my vegetable garden seed from Victory Seed Company for two years now and have been very pleased with the seed and with this company. They have an excellent selection of rare and heirloom seeds. The website is helpful and easy to navigate. My seeds have performed well with good germination rates and high production. I received both of my orders very quickly. Everything was very well packaged and I have never had anything missing from an order or a seed packet that was short on seeds. Their customer service has been the best I've ever experienced with an online retailer. They are incredibly helpful and courteous and have gone out of their way to make sure I'm a happy customer. I love that they were an early signer of the Safe Seed Pledge and that they are not in the tiniest way affiliated with Monsanto or any other GMO seed company. As for the person complaining about the optional package insurance (and taking pages and pages to do so) - good grief he needs a new hobby! I've bought and sold stuff on websites like eBay and Etsy for years and package insurance is ALWAYS an option and the seller is NEVER responsible for a package once it leaves their hands. That is common practice!! Please don't let that disgruntled and unreasonable person discourage you from doing business with Victory Seed Company. This is a company with integrity that really cares about what they do and about their customers. I intend to do business with them as long as I can still dig in the dirt.Company representative comment on February 2, 2015: On Feb 2, 2015 11:22 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for taking the time to share us with other gardeners, KYhomesteader! It is obvious that you put a great deal of time into it post and we greatly appreciate it! We also appreciate the support from your support, hope that you have a great gardening season, and look forward to being of service to you again in the future!
This was my first time ordering from Victory Seed Company and I am very pleased! I was happy to find 2 types of tomatoes seeds here that I could not find elsewhere online. The prices were reasonable and the seeds were shipped quickly.
The main reason I ordered from this company was because of the positive comments left here. I will be doing business with Victory Seed Company in the future!Company representative comment on January 26, 2015: On Jan 26, 2015 1:24 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience with others here on the Garden Watchdog. Your comments and support of our seed variety preservation work with your orders is how we are able to keep rare, old seed varieties (like the tomatoes you mentioned), available to home gardeners. Thank you! We look forward to being your garden seed partner.
Love this company! Quality seeds and speedy turn around time on my orders. Company representative comment on January 26, 2015: On Jan 26, 2015 11:02 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for your post, GardeningKev! We appreciate your support and look forward to being of service to you for years to come.
NotBill Greensboro, NC (1 review) January 21, 2015
I have bought from Victory Seeds for several years.
No problems, superlative seeds. Company representative comment on January 21, 2015: On Jan 21, 2015 10:52 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for supporting our seed variety preservation work with your orders and for taking the time to share your experiences with other gardeners. Your word-of-mouth recommendation is greatly appreciated. We work hard to keep problems to a minimum and quickly fix any that do occasionally pop up. We look forward to being of service to you in the years to come. ~Mike
Posted on September 10, 2014, updated December 7, 2014
Victory Seeds\' staff were super-helpful when I had trouble completing an order from Norway, even though they don\'t have an export department. The seeds arrived as quickly as could be expected. They have a great selection of tomato seeds.On December 7th, 2014, sjamesNorway added the following:
The seeds arrived 7 days after I ordered, in NORWAY! Once again a very positive experience with Victory Seeds. It's amazing that a small company can have such a great selection of seeds, and still show interest in individual customers. Hats off to Mike and his staff.Company representative comment on September 23, 2014: On Sep 23, 2014 12:41 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for taking the time to leave this report about your experience with us. We appreciate your support and now that we know there are no problems mailing to Norway, please tell all of your gardening friends and family about us :)
After reviewing reviews posted here, and witnessing cool, calm, reasoned interactions of management with those who clearly have skipped their meds, I will most definitely be ordering my 2015 products from VS. ;) Company representative comment on December 6, 2014: On Dec 6, 2014 12:29 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Hello Thaid . . . Thank you so much for the post that you made. It is always nice to "meet" reasoning people like you. You comment made me smile :) Thank you also for your interest in helping to support our work with your order. We look forward to being of service to you. Best Regards, ~Mike
MarkinCT Danbury, CT United States (4 reviews) November 11, 2014
I found the Victory Seeds people to be very helpful and clear in their communications. I just received my tomato seed order yesterday and it was extremely nicely packaged with lots of relevant information. I'm looking forward to a good tomato season in 2015 and will get my raised beds going. I will certainly work with Victory Seeds in the future.
Regards from Connecticut,
MarkCompany representative comment on November 11, 2014: On Nov 11, 2014 10:14 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for taking the time to post here, Mark. Helping to spread the word about us in this way is greatly appreciated! I look forward to hearing how your 2015 season goes. Let me know if we can be of further assistance.
Carol12345 Cleveland, OH (1 review) October 23, 2014
I was happily surprised to see the variety of seeds available! Plus the shipping was much faster than I expected.
I am having great success with my Fall and Winter gardens so far. I will definitely order from Victory Seed again!Company representative comment on October 23, 2014: On Oct 23, 2014 9:21 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
I am glad that we had the variety of seeds that you were seeking and that you are having good fall garden results. So many folks don't take advantage of the productivity that can be squeezed out of their gardening spaces late in the year. It is always nice to hear reports back from folks that do!
Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences here. We look forward to being of service to you in the future.
PMCO14 Grand Junction, CO (1 review) October 20, 2014
Thank you! Victory Seed Company for the outstanding support that was giving throughout the duration of my real first victory garden grown this year.
All of the troubleshooting and great gardening tips provided by you made my garden a complete success.
I had no idea there were so many varieties of seeds out there and was amazed at the variety of heirloom seeds you had to offer.
I would like to try and grow tomatoes hydroponically this winter. Do you have any good suggestions on which seeds may work best?
It's a pleasure to find a company that really covers all of the bases from sales to service and you hit it out of the park.
Thank you again for the fast shipping, the great customer support and the knowledge to grow a successful garden.
I will definately be a repeat customer for years to come.
Company representative comment on October 20, 2014: On Oct 20, 2014 9:29 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for taking the time to drop such a nice note and to recognize the team here at the Victory Seed Company.
As a mission driven company, our focus in on our seed variety preservation work and we realize that none of it would be possible without the support of our gardening friends. This does affect our organization's culture to be very customer driven. And I am very happy that we were able to help you and that your garden was a success.
In regards to gardening hydroponically . . . It is funny that you ask. I have been receiving quite a few inquiries from folks about this subject. It is a food production method that is of interest to me but unfortunately, one that I do not have a lot of hands-on experience with. That said, I will be working to compile information from customer feedback and build a section on the web site in the future.
For tomatoes, I do have a section created for varieties that are suitable for container gardening so some of those may do well in a hydroponic grow. You can find it on the site here - [HYPERLINK@www.victoryseeds.com] 'Tiny Tim' is a variety that comes to mind.
When you do start on your hydroponic adventure, drop me an email and we can all compare notes.
Thank you again for your review, your support, and your word-of-mouth recommendations to your gardening friends and family.
rissole Atlanta, GA (7 reviews) September 23, 2014
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Victory Seed has a lot of good seeds, and they usually ship pretty quickly. Overall, they're a solid company. But there's a problem I have with one of their policies. Whenever you go to check out, you are presented with this information: "By choosing NOT to insure my package, I understand that the Victory Seed Company is NOT responsible for loss or damage to my order, nor its contents, once it enters the U.S. Postal Service's system."
I'm sorry, but I do not believe that policy would hold up in a court of law. Yes, a company usually IS responsible when an order is not received or is damaged (even if you don't buy insurance), and must send another one, no matter what they may claim. Whenever a company tries to get their customers to waive their rights like this, I think it's a form of bullying and deception. Don't fall for it, folks!
Also, I would encourage anyone who orders from Victory Seed to always use a credit card. That way you will always be protected if your order gets lost or damaged. In such a case, if Victory Seed wont cooperate, just contact your credit-card company and initiate a chargeback. It basically works every time. Be an assertive consumer, and don't let dishonest companies push you around.
I would also like to say that I am less likely to order from Victory Seed in the future because of their "policy"--I avoid companies like that who try to shirk their responsibilities. In general, I will shop elsewhere unless I can't find a particular item anywhere else. On September 18th, 2014, rissole added the following:
Here's one more thing to keep in mind: If you choose USPS First Class shipping and the package gets lost, what proof would you have that Victory Seed ever sent your package? I don't think you would have any. So, to make the customer shoulder the blame in such a situation if they don't buy insurance is just completely irresponsible. On September 18th, 2014, rissole added the following:
Here's one more thing to think about: When you click the option to add insurance, Victory Seed charges you $1 (or $2) extra, depending on the size of your order. However, when I went to the USPS Web site to calculate how much it costs to add insurance to a package, what it said was "From $2.10." So, it seems that you *cannot* actually add any insurance to a package for only $1 or $2. This brings up the question: If you pay the $1 or $2 extra, is it really going to the USPS, or directly to Victory Seed instead? It seems to me that it must be the latter. If so, then this "insurance" thing just sounds like a gimmick to make more profit off unsuspecting customers.
Another thing to keep in mind: USPS Priority Mail already INCLUDES insurance up to a certain amount. Yet Victory Seeds still expects you to add extra "insurance" on top of that?
Wow. This definitely sounds deceptive--to say the least. On September 19th, 2014, rissole changed the rating from neutral to negative and added the following:
It's obvious that Victory Seed is ripping off customers with its so-called insurance, so I'm changing this rating to "Negative." They also need to refund any customers who opted for their "insurance" but also chose Priority Mail for shipping ever since Priority Mail started including insurance automatically about a year ago. This dishonest behavior by Victory Seed is completely outrageous. How come nobody else has called them on it up to this point? On September 19th, 2014, rissole added the following:
One more thing: Apparently USPS "Express" mail already includes insurance too, so any customers who chose that shipping option but also opted for Victory Seed's "insurance" are due a refund as well.
Now that I realize what this company has been doing, I will not be ordering from them again. On September 20th, 2014, rissole added the following:
First of all, you never addressed the fact that Priority Mail and Express Mail *already* include insurance automatically. So, do you plan to refund customers who purchased your "insurance" while choosing those mail options?? And why don't you mention on your Web site that those mail options include insurance already? Why would customers want to purchase "extra" insurance on top of that?
You also never addressed the fact that you as a business *are* responsible if a package is lost or gets damaged. Displaying that "sorry, but if you don't buy insurance, we're not responsible" policy on your Web site to scare customers is very deceptive and shows a lack of respect (and worse) toward customers.
Because you never addressed the points above, I'm just not buying the explanation that your "insurance" is not a profit-maker. If you want me to believe your explanation, then you need to:
1) Thoroughly address both points above.
2) Give us specific details about your postage provider and the optional insurance that you purchase through them, including rates. Documentation from a Web page would be very helpful.
Besides, how many other companies on the Web offer optional "insurance"? That indicates serious cheapness of the part of the company right there. Could you imagine buying something from, say, Wal-Mart.com and have them tell you that if you don't buy insurance, they're not responsible for lost or damaged items??? No, they pay for the insurance themselves, just like any reputable, customer-service friendly company would do. On September 21st, 2014, rissole added the following:
Oh, one more thing. Please don't use the excuse that you're a "Mom and Pop company" to justify what youre doing. Most "Mom and Pop companies" out there don't try to deceptively intimidate customers into buying insurance for fear of losing all their money on a lost or stolen shipment. No, while these companies may not necessarily buy insurance on every shipment, they'll absorb the loss from lost or stolen shipments without trying to force the customer to buy insurance instead. And they certainly won't try to get a customer to pay for insurance that is already included in Priority Mail or Express Mail. I'm sorry, but that's plain fraud. On September 21st, 2014, rissole added the following:
A final point.
"Sadly, not everyone in this world is honest, moral or ethical."
Tha's pretty funny. Is this not the pot calling the kettle black? Do you consider i "honest, moral, or ethical" to charge people for insurance that is already included in Priority Mail or Express Mail?
And just because you make a "policy" does not mean that it would hold up in a court of law. If someone pays by credit card, most likely any policies that the credit-card company has are going to supersede any policies that you might draft yourself. You can make any "policy" that you want on your Web site--that doesn't mean the policy is valid according to U.S. commercial law.
Can a doctor make up a "policy" that he will operate on a patient at a reduced rate if the patient agrees not to sue in case of problems? I think the answer should be pretty obvious. ;)On September 23rd, 2014, rissole added the following:
By your failure to address the points I made, it seems obvious that you have nothing substantive to back up your claims that your "insurance" is not a profit-maker for you. It also seems obvious that you were indeed aware that Priority Mail and Express Mail already include insurance up to a certain amount, because you certainly didn\'t express any surprise when I brought that point up, nor have you offered to refund money (or even apologized) to any customers who bought your "insurance" on top of that already included in those two mailing options. In fact, you have not even bothered to comment on the matter--your silence is very telling. In addition, any customers who did use those mailing options but did not purchase your "insurance" were lied to and led to believe that their orders were not insured and that they would have to absorb any loss for lost, stolen, or damaged orders themselves, all the while Victory Seed could have pocketed compensation from the USPS for such orders without passing a dime of it on to those customers.
Thank you, Mike, for implicitly confirming everything that I wrote. I'm just surprised that none of your other customers seem to have seen through all this up to this point, but hopefully they will now. And I hope that anyone who may have purchased your "insurance" while selecting Priority Mail or Express Mail demands a refund, as well as anyone who may have had a lost, stolen, or damaged shipment but did not purchase your "insurance." Your unapologetic dishonesty in this matter is outrageous. Do you think that your customers are stupid? How long did you think that you could keep getting away with this? So much for your assertion (in one of your comments to another customer) about trying to operate your business by the "Golden Rule"--I hope nobody falls for that line of yours in the future. Sorry, Mike, but the jig is up.
Oh, and thank you for one more thing as well. I did some research on the Web and found out that the consensus among buyers is that if a company has a policy that says they're not responsible for lost or damaged shipments unless the buyer purchases insurance, they are bad news and should be avoided. So, I will no longer do business with *any* company that has such a policy, and I hope that others will follow suit.
On September 23rd, 2014, rissole added the following:
Nice try, Mike, but here are the facts once again:
1) You have been LYING to your customers on the "checkout page" that unless they buy your optional insurance, you are not responsible for lost or damaged shipments. Since Priority Mail and Express Mail already have such insurance, those packages are insured. (No, it's not obvious and not everybody knows that.) Why are you trying to charge them extra? Are you going to offer refunds to customers who fell for your deception? Besides, you are still responsible for lost or damaged shipments, whether customers buy insurance or not. The purpose of insurance is to protect the seller, not the buyer.
"Since this upholds our end of the transactional requirement by proving that the order was mailed and delivered...."
If you have to prove that the order was delivered, then this contradicts your stated policy that you are not responsible for lost packages. So, which is it, Mike?
2) You have not offered any kind of documentation that you are not making money off your "insurance." Who are you buying it from, and where are the published rates?
3) The consensus among buyers on the Internet is that sellers who have policies like yours are bad news and should be avoided. You have also not provided any documentation that your "policy" is valid according to U.S. commercial law.
If you want to play the victim, go right ahead. But your unapologetic dishonesty speaks for itself. My attack against you is not personal--I just don't like to see companies get away with defrauding customers.
As far as my identity goes, Dave's Garden is smart enough to protect those who leave feedback. Why would anybody want to leave honest negative feedback if they felt they could be retaliated against by the company? Most people that I know don't use their real names when they leave feedback on the Internet--that doesn't mean that their comments are not honest or valid. It's the same reason many people call 911 to report crimes but don't leave their names--they don't want the criminal coming after them too. So, please don't think that playing the victim is going to work for you here. On September 23rd, 2014, rissole added the following:
One more point.
"Although in no way constructive, your feedback did prompt me to revisit this package insurance service and I did take the time to clarify the statements about the 'Additional Package Insurance' on the checkout page. I will also be working on making the policy even clearer to avoid this issue from arising in the future."
Why would you need to clarify anything if there was never any problem in the first place? So, you obviously realized that something needs to be changed.
As for changing my rating, you must be joking. At the very least, you would first have to apologize profusely for your deception and then offer refunds to anyone who might have been affected by it.Company representative comment on September 23, 2014: On Sep 20, 2014 4:39 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for your interest in the Victory Seed Company but I wish that you had gotten to know us a bit, or at least attempted to talk to me about the policy that you have issues with prior to making false accusations and incorrect assumptions. I take great pride in our company and in the service that we provide to both the gardening as well as the seed saving communities.
When you visit the website of any company or organization and read their policies, you can bet that they are borne out of some specific experience. In the case of the policy that you are having issues with, sadly, not everyone in this world is honest, moral or ethical. If we did not have policies like this, there are people that perform the electronic equivalent of \"shoplifting.\" And since we are a mom and pop, not a big box corporation, we just cannot absorb that kind of loss.
That said, yes we do offer optional insurance. Yes it is real. Yes it is cheap (we purchase it through our postage provider and offer it at our cost ... it is NOT a profit generator for us ... just a service for our customers that regularly experience mail theft in their location). Yes it is cheaper that what a person is charged at the post office. And the reality is, very few people ever opt for it and it is never an issue.
In a nutshell, please do give us a chance to be your garden seed provider ... all these other folks on here the Garden Watchdog are a good testimony to what we do and how we serve them year in and year out.
Thank you again for your interest in the Victory Seed Company and I look forward to being of service to you in the near future. ~Mike
On Sep 23, 2014 12:11 PM, Victory Seed Company added:
“Rissole,” I am sorry, that I have not replied to you in a manner that you deem as timely. You seem to have much more free time on your hands than I. It is harvest season right now and as a seedsman and farmer, I am actively working to preserve rare seed varieties and trying to beat the fall rainy season. I just don't get much time in the office during this time of year but obviously I needed to take the time to nip this post in the bud.
I attempted to find you in our customer database to see if I could determine why you have chosen to launch this slanderous attack upon myself and the Victory Seed Company. While you hide behind a pseudonym and list a town where you no longer live (this fact based on what you stated in a post made elsewhere on GWD), I have no clue who you are and therefore no idea what the basis of your grievance is in regards to.
However, I can address your attempt at fabricating an issue that is based upon your incorrect interpretation of facts. The simple truths are that (1) no package protection problem exists and (2) the foundation of your whole, four day rant is invalid.
Firstly, this OPTIONAL service that we offer to our customers is just that. Our customers are not stupid and in nearly twenty years of supplying seeds to our gardening supporters, you are the first person to take issue with this service. From your ranting, it is obvious that you do not understand the basic concept about how this type of service works or that there are option available in the marketplace different from the one that you fixated on and incorrectly decided that we are using.
Your initial basis for this whole post was that you somehow determined that because the USPS charges the retail public some published amount for a similar service, that we are somehow defrauding folks because we quote a cheaper rate. If you actually took the time to get to know us, read the experiences that other folks have had, read about our mission, etc., you would know that we are a mission-driven, not fiscally motivated, organization.
The bottom line is that no one has EVER paid us for package coverage and not received their seeds!!! If they had, they would be the ones posting here. So my question to you is, what is your motive for your slanderous behavior? I know for a fact that you have not been defrauded by us! I honestly do not follow your reasoning about how you can interpret our passing a savings on to our gardening friends (customers) as being deceptive!
Yes, Priority Mail and Express Mail include some basic coverage from the USPS. This is very public information. You know this, I know this, and since the USPS advertises it, everybody knows this? In addition, this fact is clearly stated in the checkout process on our site. People that choose to use Priority Mail for their shipping option rarely if ever chooses to purchase the optional coverage. But it is available to those folks that want it for smaller First Class mailings or larger orders exceeding the USPS coverage.
As far as our policies are concerned, every business has them and ours are very typical within the mail-order industry. Most of ours have been adopted from other organizations and evolved over the years as times have changed. It is necessary for organizations and businesses to have them and yes, they are enforceable. We are thankfully not required to have the same policies as the giant “Big Box” stores because if we did, ultimately consumers would be left with only large corporations with which to do business. Small organizations simply cannot absorb the fraud that the large corporations experience (and then pass the losses on to their paying customers).
In your last post you suddenly took on the persona of a lawyer but again, your assumptions make your conclusions very wrong. When you choose to enter into a transaction with any business, you are doing so in agreement with, among other things, contract law and their policies. If you don't like a company's policy, rational people simply contact the company and ask for clarification, or move on and do business elsewhere. But I do want to address the policy that you seem to be taking issue with and perhaps clear it up for you . . .
All business transactions take place between multiple parties, each with their own set of responsibilities. In the case of mail-order, the seller (me) has the responsibility of shipping what was purchased, in a timely manner, at the price that was agreed upon during the sale. The customer is required to provide an address that can safely receive packages and to collect their mail on a timely basis. (By the way, this later bit is why people who do live in areas where mail theft is prevalent often choose to use the optional package insurance.)
To protect ourselves, when we purchase the postage for the packages that we mail, we are also purchasing proof of shipping / tracking. This subsequently provides proof of delivery so that we know when our customers receive their orders. Since this upholds our end of the transactional requirement by proving that the order was mailed and delivered, we never have an issue with credit card charge-backs with folks.
The bottom line is that your attack on the integrity of myself and the hard-earned reputation of the Victory Seed Company are unfounded and very slanderous and I do take this offense both personally and seriously. I know that there are all kinds of people in the world and believe that everyone has the occasional bad day, but I just find it hard to comprehend why someone would handle themselves in the way that you have chosen to.
It is unfortunate that you chose to use Dave’s Garden Watchdog in this manner (and I hope that they address this accordingly). It is actually a great resource for consumers but intended as a forum for sharing thoughts about companies based on real, actual, personal experience. This out-of-control rambling of yours would have best been handled by simply emailing and asking me your questions or expressing your concerns up front. I am always happy to chat with folks about anything and to fix problems that may exist.
Every aspect of our organization is supporter-driven. That is, after nearly two decades of doing this seed variety preservation work, our web site, the varieties that we offer, our policies, and yes, even the optional services that we offer, are all based on customer feedback.
Although in no way constructive, your feedback did prompt me to revisit this package insurance service and I did take the time to clarify the statements about the “Additional Package Insurance” on the checkout page. I will also be working on making the policy even clearer to avoid this issue from arising in the future.
I really do hope that I have addressed all of your concerns and that you have a change of heart and see fit to either delete or change your rating. With the actual facts now aired, at least the gardening public will understand what has transpired here.
With Sincere Regards,
Founder, Farmer, President
HawaiianViking 96816 United States (Zone 13a) (4 reviews) June 8, 2014
Great! I'm a Victory Seed Company repeat customer, and very pleased with my purchases. There's so much to like about this company: the selection, the philosophy, the attractive prices, the unique packaging. I've never liked tomatoes until I tried Livingston's Magnus tomato sold by Victory Seed Company — a revelatory experience! If you've never liked tomatoes, try this one. Mahalo Victory!Company representative comment on June 12, 2014: On Jun 12, 2014 10:13 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
That is awesome that your new favorite tomato is from the collection of one of my heroes, A. W. Livingston. Thank you for taking the time to share here at the Garden Watchdog! ~Mike
Clary Lewisburg, PA (Zone 6b) (5 reviews) May 31, 2014
Excellent selection of fresh heirloom non-GMO seeds. Company representative comment on May 31, 2014: On May 31, 2014 12:07 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for sharing, Clary. And thank you also for helping to support our seed variety preservation work with your orders. ~Mike
devinevegan Igo, CA (Zone 9a) (12 reviews) May 13, 2014
Great company with lots of offerings. No hybrids, or treated seeds which is a plus. I ordered a few seeds and was pleased with the quick shipment and quality seed packaging and seeds. Will order from again.Company representative comment on May 13, 2014: On May 13, 2014 1:20 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for taking the time to detail your purchase experience from us. We greatly appreciate your kudos and look forward to being of service to you in the future! Have a great gardening season. ~Mike
HuguetteAllen Lumby Rural in BC v0e 2g6 Canada (1 review) March 24, 2014
It is 2 years in a row that I order from Victory Seeds and am always pleased at their excellent and fast service and also at the variety of seeds they carry. I had been looking everywhere in British Columbia for Birdfoot Trefoil - a pretty yellow flower that can be used as feed - and could not find it anywhere. What a thrill to see it at Victory Seeds!
Also the 2 types of cabbages - all seasons and Brunswick - I grew last year from Victory seeds turned out really well. I now buy all the seeds I don't save myself from them. It's great to know they are open pollinated and grows organically even though they don't say "certified organic" because so many seeds now contain systemic pesticides.Company representative comment on May 11, 2014: On May 11, 2014 8:22 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for your continued support of our seed variety preservation work with your orders and for taking the time to share your comments here. Both are greatly appreciated! Have a great gardening season and we hope to be of service to you for years to come! ~Mike
Purchased several tomatos seeds early last year. I failed to plant them and forgot about them. 17 days ago I found them unopened in a sealed plastic bag in a spare bedroom. Since I failed to follow directions to properly store them I didn't expect any thing to grow. I planted 3 different types of seeds. I was surprised that 2 of the 3 all are about 3 inches seedlings. The other type has a a few still trying. The seeds arrived quickly. I will order from them again. Company representative comment on March 14, 2014: On Mar 14, 2014 9:47 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
I am glad that you found your seeds and sowed them. I am sure that they are happy to get growing for you :) Thank you again for your support and have a great gardening season. We look forward to being of service to you in the future. ~Mike
suzy_qu3 East Chatham, NY (8 reviews) March 10, 2014
I have ordered from these folks for a couple of years. They send out the order quickly and the seeds are good quality. Their catalog has really expanded over the years and you can find a lot of interesting varieties. They have a new rewards system where you earn points for purchasing and commenting. I look forward to earning some store credit. There is some vintage gardening information and seed saving resources available as well. I feel good about supporting this company.Company representative comment on March 10, 2014: On Mar 10, 2014 9:52 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for the great review, Suzy_Qu3. I just want to point out that yes, every year we are able to protect and offer more and more seed varieties to gardeners. And we couldn't do this kind of preservation without partners like you that support us from year to year! Thank you. ~Mike
I've been doing business with Victory Seeds for the last few years and always receive my order fast, I've never experienced a problem with an order mix up or seeds not germinating. I've put a lot of trust in this company because they've been around so long and my own personal experience confirms why.Company representative comment on February 3, 2014: On Feb 4, 2014 12:12 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
I loved your review. It is awesome on a couple of levels.
Firstly, we do operate the Victory Seed Company using old-fashioned values where our word, reputation, and relationships are everything. We know that people have nearly unlimited choices in where to buy seeeds. But seeds are all about faith and trust -- faith that they will actually grow, and trust that they are what the merchant says they are -- and we take both seriously.
And for me, although it seems like just yesterday that we took over the management of our family's farm, as you pointed out, it has been a fair number of years ago. This has only been possible by the support and partnership of folks like you. Thank you again for your kind words and your continued support.
Victory Seed has become my go to seed resource. I have been ordering from them for several years. They mail my order quickly and I am always pleased with the seed and the harvest they produce. Their website is easy to navigate and they have a great seed catalog as well!Company representative comment on February 3, 2014: On Feb 3, 2014 2:12 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for your review and especially for allowing us to be part of your annual gardening efforts. We greatly appreciate your support and look forward to being of service for many years to come! ~Mike
natrunner Allentown, PA (Zone 6a) (2 reviews) January 31, 2014
Posted on January 31, 2014, updated January 31, 2014
I placed my order online on a Friday night, and I received my seeds on the following Wednesday afternoon - 3 business days to PA! I'm impressed with the prompt filling and mailing of my order as I usually wait longer for orders from other seed companies on the East coast. I really enjoy Oxheart varieties, so I am looking forward to growing (and eating!) your giant pink and yellow Livingston Oxhearts this coming summer. On January 31st, 2014, natrunner added the following:
Company representative comment on February 1, 2014: On Feb 1, 2014 8:41 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for the nice post! It is greatly appreciated. We work hard at getting folks' orders filled and sent out quickly and it is always nice when the USPS is quick too . . . even with the bad weather this past week. Thank you again. ~Mike
Les52 Welwyn Garden City United Kingdom (1 review) January 28, 2014
Posted on January 26, 2014, updated January 28, 2014
Posted on January 26, 2014, updated January 26, 2014
Found Victory Seeds on line as I was looking for some unusual things to grow, unusual for the UK that is.
Very clear website with great information and very easy ordering process, especially as I was ordering from outside of the USAOn January 26th, 2014, Les52 added the following:
Seeds arrived in a very timely fashion yesterday, 25th Jan.
Lover the simple and concise instruction on the seed packets.
I will be growing these alongside other open pollinated seeds bought from my regular supplier here in the UK, The Real Seed Company, based in Wales, and some other seed I bought from New Hope Seeds in Tennessee.
I grow on my Allotment (separate land from my House garden) in the town I live in which is about 26 miles north of London...but feels like a different world!!
I will feed back on the success or otherwise....but I am confident.
Really looking forward to saving the seeds from this crop and rest assured, as Chairman of our Allotment Association, that I will spread the gospel according to Victory Seeds here in the UK.
Les On January 28th, 2014, Les52 added the following:
Indeed on the challenge.
I am going to grow the Peppers half in a Polytunnel on site and half out once they have got going.
On the Southern Pea. Indeed. But I am going to get them going in the tunnel and plant out later than normal when warmth will be (or not, this is the UK after all) at its peak.
Anyway, good stuff... I will keep you posted. Company representative comment on January 27, 2014: On Jan 26, 2014 11:02 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for your order and for spreading the word about us in your part of the world. It is greatly appreciated.
I am very impressed regarding your commitment to gardening. I live for getting my hands in the soil but driving 26 miles to the garden? Wow!
I am looking forward to your garden report. Some of the varieties that you are trying may be challenging for your area. Your climate is fairly comparable to mine here in Oregon (right?) so 'Peter' peppers and the Southern peas may take some babying.
Thank you again,
On Jan 27, 2014 10:12 AM, Victory Seed Company added:
P.S. - Oops . . . I can read . . . I realize that you are saying that your garden is in your town (still no less a commitment). I will blame my mistake on working too late at night and being blurry eyed :) ~Mike
8209 Louisville, KY (Zone 6b) (10 reviews) January 26, 2014
I recently ordered some edamame soybeans from Victory and received them in a very short timeframe. They were well packaged and have good instructions with them. I would recommend this company to my friends. David Tucker 8209.Company representative comment on January 26, 2014: On Jan 26, 2014 10:42 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Hello David, Soy bean variety preservation is one of our newer areas of focus. I look forward to hearing your garden report. Thank you recommending us to your friends, for telling others about us here on the Garden Watchdog, and for helping to support our seed variety preservation work with your orders. It is all greatly appreciated. Best Regards, ~Mike
I ordered seeds in 2012 from Victory Seeds as well as another on line heirloom seed company. I had the greatest success from Victory Seeds. I start most of my seeds indoors under grow lights and have had excellent germination rates from Victory Seeds. I am ordering all my seeds from Victory this year. I enjoy the reviews section for each seed listed because I use this info to help me determine what will grow best in my area as well as get ideas for new things I want to grow. I am an avid canner and like any info about canning/freezing that people leave for a particular variety. This year I sat down and left reviews for the seeds I grew last year. Please remember to do this-I know it takes time but it is very helpful for other customers! I have had to e-mail Victory Seeds with questions or help and they answer very quickly and are very friendly.The seeds are shipped quickly and I am a customer for life.Company representative comment on January 14, 2014: On Jan 14, 2014 3:48 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for taking the time to not only tell other folks about your experience with us and the performance of the seeds that we offer, but also for sharing all of the great observations about the varieties that you grew. Reviews really do help to make the site even more informative and useful for everyone. Thank you again for your comments and for your support of our seed variety preservation work! ~Mike
Last year I ordered just a few different kinds of tobacco seed from VICTORY SEED CO knowing very little about either. I started the microscopic seeds indoors and to my surprise they germinated well, thrived and were eventually transplanted outdoors and I was blessed with a full crop of New Jersey Grown Tobacco (yes - you heard that right) which I subsequently dried, cured, rolled and smoked for my 1st all natural home grown NJ cigar as well as NJ pipe tobacco. I quit smoking many years ago and only grew this crop of tobacco simply as a gardiner's experiment for simply proving that it could in fact be done here in NJ. I smoked a few samples to conclude that it was in fact smokeable/enjoyable product. I had such great success with last years tobacco experiment that I came back for a second year and decided to ditch the big name GMO seed companies for all of my vegetable seeds and go strictly with VICTORY SEEDS and pursue plants/vegetables/herbs..etc that I could in fact plant, grow, eat, preserve, enjoy and also do my part to preserve rare and threatened plant varieties (similar to the concept of growing NJ tobacco:)
In an attempt to shake off this winter's cold and think spring, I placed my spring seed order on 1/4/14 with VICTORY SEED CO. It arrived today, 1/10/14 and the entire order of over 100+ seed packets, almost all different varieties for each pack, was 100% spot on correct!
I am thrilled to have such great service, quality seeds that produce quality plants and know that I can count on VICTORY SEEDS for all my vegetable and herb seed needs. I am also happy to know that I am helping VICTORY SEED CO. to preserve rare and threatened plant varieties for all to enjoy.
Happy Gardening To All!
Mark W. from NJ
(I'm gonna need a bigger garden)Company representative comment on January 14, 2014: On Jan 14, 2014 4:05 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Wow, Mark! Thank you for the awesome information about your gardening successes this past year and thank you for choosing us as your seed supplier. We will do our best to continue to live up to your praise.
I would also like to thank you for doing your "part to preserve rare and threatened plant varieties." It is a statement that I use a lot but I really want to thank you for actually understanding the important role that gardeners assume in the preservation work. VSC can find, grow, document, and re-release varieties all we want, but it really does take folks like you, choosing to purchase seeds from us, to fund the work. As important, growing them in your garden ensures that the varieties are protected. Seeds sitting in vials in freezers still eventually die. They must all be grown and spread far and wide to really be safe.
Terrific seeds with some great super-rare varieties! Wonderful customer service. I love that they do so much conservation work as well. Company representative comment on January 14, 2014: On Jan 14, 2014 3:50 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for taking the time to share the nice feedback. It is always great to hear from folks that the preservation work that we do is appreciated. Thank you again for supporting our work with your orders and recommendations and we look forward to being of continued service to you. ~Mike
Reversemidas Vienna, VA (Zone 7a) (8 reviews) November 9, 2013
I received my order very prompt with the week. Pretty good shipping from North west to East coast. Very fast. I look forward to trying out the seeds but have to wait for Spring. Yes I have the gardening itch during the winter and start ordering some seeds before the online rush. Each seed pack comes in green colored packet with large type stick-on label that provides name, species and other common names, growing instructions , etc. Also a bit of interesting info about the seed. Very informative on the other side of the seed packet as well about keeping seeds and other website info URL too. I look forward to providing another positive feedback when it's time to sow.Company representative comment on November 10, 2013: On Nov 10, 2013 1:28 AM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you, Reversemidas for taking the time to leave the nice review of our order fulfillment process and packaging. It is always great to hear when our efforts are appreciated! We look forward to being of future service and trust that your spring garden will be great. ~Mike
Posted on December 10, 2011, updated October 12, 2013
Posted on January 27, 2009, updated December 10, 2011
Originally I chose Victory Seeds because it was one of the companies operating in Oregon where I live. After growing their seeds for a couple of years, I find myself leaning in their direction when I'm looking for dependability--excellent germination rates, vigorous growth, and uniformity of product true to the original description. Last Fall, In a moment of panic about our economy, I considered how to be best prepared. I decided to order all my basics from Victory so I could at least be assured of having a good garden. They arrived almost immediately and I tucked them away like the little treasures that they are.On December 9th, 2011, Chamelaux added the following:
I just want to add that the garden was fabulous, as expected. We have the best stock of winter food of anyone I know. I have also added the saving of some of my own seed this year, such a wonderful gift from the earth. Thank you, Victory, for making this kind of seed available that returns true each year. I've just completed another order, including red worms, and I know I'd better get ready because orders from Victory come at lightening speed.On October 11th, 2013, Chamelaux added the following:
Well, here it is, the harvest of another year and I'm singing the praises of Victory Seed Company with food stored everywhere, much given away, and beans still being picked and dried. I appreciate learning new things from their website and emails. This year they made it so easy to get going on the winter garden that is now growing strong. I'm definitely going to take advantage of the 10% off sale on 2013 seeds. With the fantastic germination rate I've learned to expect from Victory Seeds, they'll be well worth it!!!Company representative comment on October 11, 2013: On Oct 11, 2013 9:57 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you so much for all of the great feedback. It is always nice to hear that our efforts are appreciated. It is also awesome to hear success stories from folks like you who have committed some of their time towards producing food for their table, as well as others. In this modern age, when governments and large corporations are constantly trying to convince us otherwise, food is still an inalienable right . . . and raising even a small portion of our personal diets keeps us grounded (quite literally :) ). Thank you again for taking the time to share your experiences with other gardeners on this public forum and especially thank you for continuing to support our seed variety preservation work with your orders!
Greekgod Kefalonia (island) Greece (1 review) August 29, 2013
Mike Dunton took time out of his busy day to correct a very stupid mistake I made. It concerned a small order, and I am not a regular customer, but he treated me as a very valued customer all the same. No wonder the company is in DG's Top 30! It is a pleasure doing business with them.Company representative comment on August 29, 2013: On Aug 29, 2013 4:43 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Wow, Greekgod! Thank you for the nice feedback. I am always glad to be of service to folks and it is really nice to hear when efforts are appreciated! I look forward to being of service in the future. ~Mike
This company carries some very obscure tomato varieties, and I was able to find the Livingston introductions that I was looking for. They shipped very promptly. In addition the seed envelopes are very informative. Also, their shipping fee is very low--thanks so much!!Company representative comment on July 4, 2013: On Jul 4, 2013 2:10 PM, Victory Seed Company responded with:
Thank you for taking the time to let others know about your experience with us and also for noticing the work that we do, specifically with tomatoes. It is greatly appreciated.
I am not sure if you saw it on our site, but resurrecting the "Livingston Collection" has been a decades long project (passion) of mine. When I started this work, very few of the varieties were available. But after many years of working with collectors, preservationists and government seed banks, we are now able to offer the collection you found on our site.
Thank you again for supporting our seed variety preservation work with your orders and for your feedback here.