I live in the area so haven't ordered by mail but I can assure you the plants are vigorous and hardy, having been grown outdoors in the Sierra Nevada foothills. Fabulous collection of Salvias but a lot of other unusual, hard-to-find plants. Mom & pop operation, kind and knowledgeable young couple. I hope they make it--it's a great little nursery. I've spent hundreds of $$$ there, and subjected the plants to a fair amount of abuse, so I'm qualified to comment on their vigor.