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I ordered sweet cherries Kristin and Black Gold, along with a sweet plum Kuban Comet, several grape vines, and a honeycrisp apple.
The trees were of excellent quality, thick trunks and branches, leafed out quickly and did well.
The grapes were similarily healthy and of good size.
Service was very good. One tree was out of stock and they e-mailed me promptly. They also answered my e-mail questions within 1-2 days. I will be ordering from them again.
On June 4th, 2008, bernie3 added the following:
Because of my good experience at Raintree last year, I ordered nine more trees this year, sweet cherries, plums, pears and apples. The quality was very good again this year, safely packaged. The root systems are the biggest I have received from any nursery selling bare root trees.
I really like their selection of multiple grafted trees, which is the largest selection of these items you'll find from any supplier. I believe this really improves pollination, and saves yard space.
On Jan 14, 2008, IldikoThomas Mercer Island, WA wrote:
We've placed 3 orders with Raintree so far and have always been thrilled with the quality of their stock. We've ordered hardy fruit trees and bushes for zone 3 and, even though we live in zone 7, they were very understanding and were the only one of several nurseries we ordered from who got the ship date correct. In addition, their trees and shrubs have always arrived still dormant, with none or very few breaks in the branches, and with excellent packaging and instructions accompanying them. Plus, their customer service reps are very helpful on the phone!
We love Raintree and recommend them to all of our Northwest friends!
I have placed probably 8-10 orders, and spent approx. $1000.00 with RAINTREE nursery.
Like most of you, I have placed muliple orders through RAINTREE due to the exotic nature of the plants they have for sale. When my first order arrived, the plants looked great. By the time of my last order(s) arrived, I felt like the plants I ordered were from the "marginal pile" and if not for my placing an order, they would have been trashed.
I had to toss 4 high bush huckleberries the day I got them in addition to several other items that were in bad shape when they arrived
I can't say that 1 order has ever lived up to my expectations. None of my orders arrived in the time frame given, spindley plants, etc..
These issues repeatedly forced me to purchase from local nurseries (I have a small biz that I purchase for) while I was awaiting my order from RAINTREE, a fact that I'm happier with now as most PDX based nurseries now sell most of RAINTREE's items.
The straw that broke the camels back for me was an order I placed last September to be delivered this Fall. Since I had not received my order by November 30, I phoned to determine the delay. I was told that there was a slight problem with my order (the person on the other end of the line read the order back to me so the order was placed), and that someone would call me right back. No phone call.
It is now January 10, and after still no word, I sent an email asking that the order be cancelled and to remove me from RAINTREE's mailing list.
The response from RAINTREE was that I had no order placed and they would be happy to remove me from their mailing list. After spending close to the $1000.00 referenced earlier, I expected a better response than that. (They should have apologized, taken a new order, and shipped asap) As an small biz person, this response typically drives away business. Keeping customers is the goal of any business. If there is a problem, you try to correct it, not send your client base to another nursery.
I have spent my last dollar with these guys, and believe me, there is nothing like picking your own plant stock. I suggest Shorty's as I have found everything there that I purchased from RAINTREE, and get to pick my own stock.
Perhaps RAINTREE needs a few savvy business people working for them as well as nursery folk.
Good luck to those of you who are having success with RAINTREE. You can take my word that once they think they have you hooked, the customer service goes downhill fast.
This was my first time to order from this company. I had ordered 3 wolfberry vine in gallon pots and ten tristar strawberry in four inch pots. When the items arrived, I discovered that the wolfberry was in four inch pots, and they were barely rooted, "needle-thin" caliper seedlings (cuttings?). The Tristars were plugs that had been replanted into four inch pots. Four Tristars had barely sprouted roots!
Since I had been charged for gallon-sized wolfberry vines, but received four inch pots, I called the company to ask for a refund of the difference on my credit card. I have yet to see the refund on my credit card statement.
On Oct 18, 2007, Baxter_Md Chevy Chase, MD (Zone 7a) wrote:
This nursery was one of the few that carry low bush blueberries. The plants arrived in good condition. They were well packed. They were also much bigger than I expected -- always nice. I will order from them again.
2 years ago I ordered grafted paw paws and grafted ginko's. they all arrived out of dormacy when my area still had below freezing temps. they all managed to survive going through the summer, but they didn't really grow. the next spring 3 out of 4 were dead from the graft on up, and the 4th was just dead! a phone call to the company pretty much got me an, "oh well". WILL NOT DEAL WITH THIS COMPANY ANY MORE!!!
On Jun 2, 2007, HOPEFULLGARDNER Crescent City, CA wrote:
My experience with this company is absolutely wonderful! They kept me informed via email of shipment, etc.. The plants I ordered came well packed in their own contaniners with names, directions on planting and the plants are very healthy!
I will definately order from them again!
On May 19, 2007, AYankeeCat Fairfield County, CT (Zone 6b) wrote:
I bought several plants and trees from Raintree and the order arrived today in good shape. I have got to say the the grafted oriental pear is huge and I am very impressed. Things fared well for being shipped across the country - a paw-paw lost some leaves - but it will get more, I'm sure. I ordered once before and they called me to tell me they were out of one of the trees I wanted and that the cornus I ordered needed a pollinator - which I didn't know. I decided not to order then because they were out of the saturn peach - but I remembered their kindness in contacting me and placed an order. I'm pleased and will buy form them again.
Positive feedback is long overdue for this company....
Given my poor experience w. receiving live plants in the mail before, I was hesitant to try again. After thumbing through the Raintree catalog and seeing the 2x1 peach/nectarine combo tree, I figured I'd roll the dice again.
The bareroot tree arrived less than two weeks after I ordered it; timed perfectly for planting in my zone. It is in a whiskey barrel next to my back porch, and thriving in it's second year. I was concerned that w. temperatures getting down as low as -10° last winter, the tree would be damaged as it wasnt mulched, but it came back w. a vengenance this spring. In fact, I will be ordering a 3x1 cherry tree from them next week for another barrel planting.
Raintree has changed my perception on mail-order plants. Their stock is beautiful, healthy, and guaranteed to grow .
If you order from this company, prepare to be 'wowed' in a good way!
Ordered six varieties of fig trees. All were received in good condition well packed.
My only complaint is with their website and administrative procedures. I received an acknowledgement of the order by email, but it didn't list the items in my order or say when it would ship. The site indicated shipment would be mid-month (April) but nothing more specific. I had to contact them twice by email to get a tracking number for the shipment.
It's not that big a deal, but I don't like for packaged plants to sit in the sun (where the delivery guy leaves things) if we're not home when they arrive.
On Apr 19, 2007, robertstock99 Greenacres, WA wrote:
Hey Raintree,
There was a 3 day delay getting my order shipped because you have been so busy. Understandable because the trees were really thick, well taken care of and of rare varieties not found elsewhere. 6 apples (Karmyn DeSonneville and others, yum), 4 peaches, 4 plums, 2 apricots, 1 nectarine, 2 filberts, 3 pears, and 3 raspberries, 3 blackberries and 2 grapes. Great packing job on everything. Now I have my orchard the way I planned it out on graph paper. Thanks for the excellent stock and your guidance picking things that do well in this area of the Northwest.
Regards,
Rob
I have ordered many items from this compny, incl. grapes, black berries, marrion berries, peach trees, plus ornamentals. I have to say that when they are good they are VERY good, but when I received my first blackberries, one was huge and strong and the two others were tiny and dead, the company replaced them, with MUCH better quality plants. The same exact thing happened with the grape plants I ordered. There customer service was great about sending new products, but I would prefer quality the first time around. This company is not a cheapie garden center, the items are full price, the merchandise should always reflect the price paid. I have stopped ordering from this company after the above purchases.
On Mar 18, 2007, glendalekid Tuscaloosa, AL (Zone 7b) wrote:
I ordered 75 Eversweet strawberry plants. They arrived in fine shape, beautiful long roots, healthy plants. Actually got more than 75 plants -- 81, I fhink.
I requested a specific shipping time - they arrived right on schedule. Well packed. Extensive planting instructions sheet included. Couldn't ask for more.
On Mar 17, 2007, daedelus902 Charlotte, NC (Zone 7b) wrote:
We ordered some of the European plums from Raintree, (Kirke's Blue and a Gage). They came in beautifully tended and in a heavy caliper, (over 1"). The root systems were trimmed a little more than I had hoped but they were healthy. We will order from Raintree again next year.
On April 11th, 2008, daedelus902 changed the rating from positive to negative and added the following:
As a followup to our Raintree order last year, we ordered 30 various rootstocks this year. The order came in fine, the timing was fine. The rootstock was really quite bad. We have ordered rootstock from One Green World and Cummins and all were acceptable grafting rootstock. The Raintree rootstock was notably bad. Some of the Geneva30 apple rootstock had only a single 4 inch root-strand. The Marianna rootstock was dry and over 1/2 caliper, much, much too thick for rootstock. Guess the culls got pawned off on yet another expendable customer. No more business from me Raintree...fool me once...
On Mar 16, 2007, Eric_OH Columbus, OH (Zone 6a) wrote:
I received a range of fruit trees (apple, pear and cherry) from Raintree last spring. The order was in good shape except for one tree with a damaged root. Everything leafed out and grew. I'd rate value, packing and service as above average.
On Mar 15, 2007, WillowPolson Groveland, CA (Zone 8b) wrote:
I've been wanting to order from these guys for years, and this time I actually did. I am very happy with what I received! I got a timber bamboo (which I was hoping would be bigger, but then I've never seen P. vivax in a one-gallon pot, so it's probably me), several canefruits and a serviceberry.
Everybody is already sprouting their little heads off except one raspberry that I knocked the buds off of when I planted it, so that's my fault. 8-( But it still might sprout from the root, you never know. The serviceberry was kind of small, but it looks very healthy and is already covered with fat green leaf buds. The canefruits are leafing out like crazy too. The bamboo looks great too, and I can't wait for it to get big enough to harvest!
Everything arrived safe, fresh, well packed, and had the perfect moisture level (not soggy, not dry). It did take me a while to find some of the smaller canes because they were well-bundled in with the bamboo to keep them safe. But everything was there and in perfect condition. And my cats loved the triangular box tunnel. 8-)
I also like how many free goodies I got just for ordering -- it more than makes up for the somewhat smaller size of some of them. I look forward to ordering from Raintree again!
I have ordered from Raintree for years and have never been disappointed - untill this year. I ordered loganberries and tayberries in the fall hoping to allow for winter root growth and maybe get a few berries this year. The plants they sent were mere twigs. Although planted in compost and well cared for, two were obviously dead in February. I phoned to report this & after paying further shipping I received replacements. These were just as puny as the original plants & were severely root-bound in tiny pots. An email of complaint has been ignored.
Not good value - you can do better elsewhere.
I ordered several fruit trees in 2006 from this company. I was positively surprized at their size health and vigour. I have bought from them again and again and had only very positive experiences. Packaging is very good and plants were never damaged.
On Oct 3, 2006, mantis212 Roslyn, NY (Zone 7a) wrote:
I feel guilty, but I have to gloat. My experience with Raintree Nursery has been amazing! Winter 05'/06' I first ordered two dwarf cherry trees (Vandalay & Surefire) and a seedless green table grape (Interlaken), all bareroot. In spring I was surprised by the huge box when it arrived, and then again at the size of the cherry trees. The grape vine was no cutting, it was at least 3+ yrs old! I was so pleased with the size and health of my order, I jumped back online and ordered a Dwarf Saturn Peach tree and an Illinois Everbearing Mulberry. They arrived very quickly, and again I was blown away. The Dwarf Saturn's trunk was 1 1/2"- 2"! All four fruit trees leafed out then branched out, even a few flowers from the cherries. The grape which I am growing in a container, produced three bunches of grapes!!!! Now it is early fall 06', all still flourishing. I can say for a fact, I have ordered a lot of mail-order trees/plants and Raintree Nursery has really impressed me. 5 Stars!
1. Size!
2. Health of bareroot trees.
3. Price.
4. Super web site, tons of information. Very easy order process.
5. Selection.
Just placed another large order for spring 07'.
Till then, Mantis212
On May 19th, 2008, mantis212 added the following:
Follow up the "07" order was amazing I ordered 4 = 4in1 dwarf fruit trees. Asian Pears, Apples, Peaches & Cherries. For ordering early and prepaying I received A couple of Gooseberries, Raspberries and a White Bark Birch tree for free! All came very healthy with very established grafts except the peaches two of the varieties died off that season, but most of the blame is mine for I could have nurtured them a lot better. "08" I ordered and received A massive Blackgold Dwarf Cherry and a couple of grapes. The Blackgold has already leafed out. The trunk is a inch+ and in all is 5'+ tall.
That makes three years running a 5 Star rating!
Have ordered several times, both for myself and others, and experience has been excellent.
A few years back, ordered Bing and Ranier Cherries - have been producing gat for a couple years now; Enterprise and Liberty Apples have been excellent, though it took 4 years before decent produce (that was expected). Also picked up a Beauty Plum, and it has been absolutely amazing - the sweetest best plums ever; and the tree has grown beautifully. I can alos speak highly of the Black Gold Cherry, and couple different peaches (don't recall the variety at the moment).
A few disappointments happened along the way - like when none of the blueberries survived a couple months, but Raintree Customer Service was superb, and replaced each plant without question. Additionally, had a problem with a few raspberries, and again received full replacement.
I ordered two quince trees from Rainwood this past summer. I was hesistant to order trees and wondered how they would survive shipping, but couldn't find quince trees at any of the local nurseries so had little choice.
Both trees arrived bare root and leafless--since it was past the leafing season, I was a bit concerned. However, both trees leafed out quickly and are healthy, thriving plants. One even had a couple of blooms on it, so I look for it to begin bearing fruit in the next year or two.
The few trees that I bought from a local nursery, however, are iffy at best.
I highly recommend raintree. You won't be sorry.
On Aug 16, 2006, mamajuice Walkersville, MD wrote:
I just had to put in a good word for Raintree! I am a satisfied, repeat customer, and have filled my organic suburban yard with their fruiting stock; I didn't order this year, because my limited space is running out!
I am still astonished at the golden raspberry I ordered last time - a $5 plant, with $20 roots, I swear! It bore lightly it's first season, and more generously this year. One potted thornless blackberry got broken off after planting, and I feared it was dead, but it's taken off this year, as well as it's bare-root neighbors. My red and white currants are prolific, and I was so happy with my first gooseberries that I more recently ordered two more kinds. My pawpaw cultivars are fabulously lush, and hanging with ripening fruit, more than justifying their higher initial cost over locally grown "natives". Other fruit trees are also growing nicely over the years, from well-packed beginnings that probably justify the cost of shipping. My only disappointments have been with ornamentals. The salals did not take to their sunny spot at all, rather than simply growing to smaller mature sizes, and didn't survive later transplanting to a site I thought they might like better, and the Carolina allspice was not fragrant at all, which I later learned is not all that uncommon, you need to smell before you buy ... However, the clove currant lives up to its description, and the bush cherries are highly ornamental in spring! I would not hesitate to do business with them again.
On Aug 10, 2006, coffee_monkey Spanaway, WA wrote:
After the advise of my parents and friends I placed my first order with raintree three years ago.I have ordered from Raintree several times and have visited the nursery twice. I have always found the staff to be friendly, knowledgable,and easy to work with. Last fall I ordered two hazelnuts, alba roses, raspberries, and an apple tree. All arrived in excellent condition, well developed, and are thriving. The fall before I ordered vine maples and several other plants. All of my order has thrived with little or no extra care. Point: One of the alba roses was accidently hit with my husband's trimmer , shredding a good portion of the main stalk, and still came back to bloom this summer.
I have always found the staff easy to work with and willling to make replacements or suggest substitutions. They have been a joy to work with.
I have ordered many things from Raintree over the years, probably a dozen or more orders in total. Their fruit trees have always been incredibly healthy and have taken off. Their berries have generally been good quality but not quite as good as the very best berry nurseries (e.g. Norse). I still continue to order berries from them because they are the only good source for several kinds. I have found their horticultural expert very helpful with problems I have had, and the few things that died they were very good about replacing. They need to upgrade their web ordering system to send you a confirmation of exactly what you ordered in an email -- they were one of the early nuseries with a good on-line ordering mechanism, but their system is now behind the times in that regard.
Overall I have had a very positive experience with them, I would put them in my top-3 overall list out of 20+ fruit nurseries I have ordered from.
On Jul 8, 2006, sunflower22 Salt Lake City, UT wrote:
We placed a large order for lingonerries, raspberries, etc. with Raintree. Raintree kept changing the date our plants were to be shipped. When they finally arrived, some of them looked terrible. The plants were small and the roots were spindly, curled-up looked rotten. When customer service was contacted, we were told to plant them as they would soon take off. After planting them, the leaves dropped off and most of them died. When customer service was contacted again, we were told that the time to return our plants had passed and nothing would be done. The only remedy came when we contacted the credit card company we had used to purchase the plants. In a three-way conference call to raintree with my visa rep on the line, we again contacted Raintree, the Raintree staff person was very rude, told us that while our money would be refunded, that we'd would not be allowed to ever order from them again--as if we would. Stay away from this place!!
On May 30, 2006, dontbuyraintree West Bend, WI wrote:
I ordered apple trees and raspberries in 2005. The apple trees were smaller than I was promised in emails asking about the size. The columnar apples only leafed out on the top foot - the rest of the trees were blank sticks. I was told that this was the way they were supposed to be. The dwarf apple trees look like a stick man drawing. They have almost no leaves. Once again, it's me, not their products. That's not the way either of the tree types are pictured in the catalog or on the website. The raspberries arrived in poor condition and died completely within a few weeks. Raspberries in the same location obtained from another source flourished. Of course, I was told to wait until 2006 for a replacement. For a mere $ 12.95 they will ship replacements. Why should I pay shipping charges for defective plants? Customer service has been slow. You'll do much better going to another company.
My negative experience had mostly to do with customer service. After reading positive reviews on this site and getting a recommendation from a colleague, I was excited to order from Raintree. I put in a large order - 4 trees and 9 berry plants. My first problem arose when I received conflicting information about when my order would arrive. I would get different information depending on who I was dealing with. The order ended up arriving quite a bit earlier than expected, so I had to drop everything and really scramble to get everything in the ground.
The plants arrived in good shape for the most part. Everything was packaged well, except for one raspberry plant that had snapped where the stem met the roots. The trees were a good size, but I was a bit disappointed that the trees didn't appear to have been trained much, if at all. Compared to a tree I got from another nursery which was nicely pruned, these branches were all willy-nilly with many weak crotch angles (less than 45 degrees). Also, the root mass seemed a bit skimpy compared with the tree received from this other nursery. Still, everything seems to be growing well so far, and hopefully I can prune and train the branches to a nice shape.
My main problem was that I received an extra tree and was missing one of the berry plants. I called right away to explain about the extra tree, and the woman on the phone was pleasant, said they would refund the price of the extra tree. I later followed up with email when I discovered the broken raspberry and missing berry plant. The person I emailed with was rather curt and unhelpful. She told me that they had filled exactly the order I had sent, and offered no resolution.
Now, while it's certainly possible I made an error in the ordering process, it seemed unlikely as I'm a cautious type and have made many online purchases before with no problem. Unfortunately, I had no way of confirming exactly what happened, because I did not receive a detailed, itemized order confirmation after submitted my order online. I had no idea an error had been made until the box arrived and I saw the mistake on the order slip.
I emailed back to ask for some sort of resolution, and to confirm that I would be receiving a refund for the extra tree I'd been charged for. No response to my email. I waited 2-3 days, then called. The woman I spoke with on the phone said she'd check on it and get back to me. She didn't call back, but I later got a snippy email saying that "since you were already told told you would get a refund" it would be taken care of. The whole exchange left me with a sour feeling, like I was being a "bad customer" and that they thought I was trying to cheat them or something. Having spent a lot of money already, and as a potential lifelong customer, I would have liked to have been given the benefit of the doubt. To top it all off, I still haven't received a refund, 9 days later - neither for the broken raspberry nor for the extra tree.
I'm rather disappointed, as this was my first large mail order from any nursery, and I had high expectations of this one. Hopefully my experience was an anomaly, but I don't think I'll be ordering from them again or recommending them to others.
On May 18, 2006, passiflora_pink Indian Springs, AL (Zone 7b) wrote:
I made two large shipments this spring. The boxes were carefully packaged but UPS managed to shred one box in half (they wrapped a bit of tape around it like I wouldn't notice) and the second box had been dropped and the stapled top had been forced off with the contents hanging out. To summarize, I planted everything anyway but my female kiwi vine didn't survive so I requested a replacement.
I promptly received a big healthy replacement plant. Actually, they sent another male by mistake but when I contacted them they sent a female as well, so now I am in kiwi heaven.
My plants all look very healthy and happy! I ordered a total of three apple trees, two cherry trees, one rhubarb, 18 raspberries (3 different varieties), 75 strawberries (HUGE & healthy!), 3 mock orange, 2 syringa sensation. (These last ones look kinda small, but are already budding out)
With one exception, the root balls on the trees were much larger than what I expected, and the last was more like what we are used to receiving through the mail. The trees are doing exceptionally well in their temporary but large pots. This way if we get a late cold spell I can just slide them into the garage (or my teenagers can do it).
Communication regarding shipping my order was impecable. I live in Southeast Alaska where spring can come anywhere from early March to mid May. Someone definitely was watching our weather. About the time I was thinking they may ship soon, they showed up!
Ooooh and when pulling out the packing slip, I found a coupon for $10 off my next order. Since this company actually will use USPS for Alaska, you can bet I will be drooling all over this new catalog too.
On Apr 21, 2006, adadia Glenmoore, PA (Zone 6b) wrote:
The plants I received from Raintree are fantastic, in particular their bareroot trees. Although the catalog states they ship 3'-5' trees, all of the 15 trees I received bareroot were 5' and up (and one plum was as tall as i am, 5'7"!) Needless to say, all of my Raintree plants have leafed out and are doing great. I would order again from Raintree without hesitation, and if they ever went out of business it would break my heart!
On Apr 17, 2006, tallaway Crescent City, CA wrote:
I have ordered from Raintree for years now and have not been disappointed, ever. Last year I made the mistake of trying to save a few bucks and ordered from another company in Canby, OR. That company's plants were sickly and /or dead and I lost great sums of money on that deal. Raintree, on the other hand, has always worked with me in the very few times there has been a problem, and to my satisfaction. You really do get what you pay for. Plus, their replacement guarentee is appropriate, especially for things that might take a long time to come out of dormancy, and is one of the reasons I will keep coming back. Ordered more unusual friut trees and shrubs this year, many of which were free bonuses based on my order total. Everything is doing well. Had to heel in some of the trees because of the constant rain and some are already beginning to leaf out. So far, all of the bonus plants are doing well also. My only real problem is not enough space to put everything I want to grow!
On Apr 16, 2006, amandaemily Colville, WA (Zone 5b) wrote:
Ordered two large blueberries and two grapes from them. The blueberries that arrived were huge!!!! and had great root systems. The grapes were good looking canes and were already pruned. Will definitely be ordering from this nursery again.
I ordered a minidwarf apple tree, a pomegranate tree, and a black currant plant. They arrived well packed and the roots were still damp (the pomegranate wasn't bare root). Non of the trees sustained any damage in shipping. I am pleased with my order.
On Mar 29, 2006, DianaR Caldwell, ID (Zone 6a) wrote:
last year we ordered rasberries and 2 plum trees. We picked a bunch of delicious berries last fall and they are rapidly increasing. The June bearing plants grew to about 7 ft tall last year. They are very vigorous plants. I looked for the plum varieties we wanted for a long time. ( since I can no longer depend on South Meadow) I will be ordering from them again.
On Feb 5, 2006, olddog Colfax, LA (Zone 7a) wrote:
OLDDOG 2/05/06 COLFAX LA.
THE TREES I ORDERED CAME ONE TIME AND LOOK VERY GOOD. THEY WERE PACK WELL AND IN GOOD SHAPE. THE WEATHER HERE IS IN THE MID 60'S AND THE BUDS ARE STARTING TO OPEN!
On February 27th, 2006, olddog changed the rating from positive to negative and added the following:
olddog Colfax La. 2/27/06
This order was the third and last. One good order out three is not good enough. I ordered raspberries E340 and received E335. When I ordered I was informed that if E340 was not ready to ship by the 1st. of March the order would be canceled and refunded to my card. To avoid canceling they subed. I waited three days for an answer to my email. No answer. I'm evaluating fruites and berries that may do well in our hot weather. When I order I can not use a sub,I need the type I order for the first trial planting.They have been removed from my book marks. NEVER AGAIN!On February 27th, 2006, olddog added the following:
olddog Colfax La. 2/27/06
After posting the above I received an email promising a refund. Thanks Watch Dog!
Purchased Lingonberries (Red Pearl & Ida) last spring. The packaging for a pack of 18 was second-to-none and the plants arrived in outstanding condition. I had a fair amount of berries just a few months after having them in the ground - even a 2nd harvest on the Ida variety! Love the offerings from Raintree and placed another order with them already for 2006!