Weerobin wrote: I started out with Goldsturm a thousand years ago and have had reliably returning rudbeckias ever since, though my current plants may no longer be the original Goldsturm anymore; not sure. Regardless, I like them for midsummer bloom. Mine aren't bothered by deer, of which we have plenty. The plants pop up randomly here and there; I leave them to do their own thing. I love watching the finches pick at the seedheads in the fall.