Itame or Inabe ?

Cedarhome, WA(Zone 8b)

I have a JM labeled Itame Shidare, for which I cannot locate any information whatsoever. I am finding listings for Inabe Shidare and am wondering if it might just be mislabeled. I have no clue what the form or leaves are as I just acquired it (a gift) and it has not yet broken dormancy. Any clues?

Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

a picture is needed although i am willing to bet it is inabe - it is a dissectum?

Cedarhome, WA(Zone 8b)

Would a photo at this point be of much use, no leaves yet? The bark does have a reddish tint to it. No clue what a dissectum is, so no help there. I am going for a mis-mark myself, I've searched high and low for anything remotely close to Itame Shidare and the only thing that pops up is the Inabe Shidare. Trying to figure out eventual size so I can plant it appropriately. I'm guessing about a 10' tree. It would be nice to know the leaf color as well, but I'd like to get it planted sooner as opposed to later, so will just go with the flow on that.

Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

well bonehead:) a dissectum is a weeping tree with lace like leaves - do a google on the inabe shirade for size - i think it will get to 5-6' and 10' wide.

Cedarhome, WA(Zone 8b)

The plot thickens -- I now seem to have the choice of Inaba or Inabe and/or Shidare or Shirade. I have found most hits for Inaba Shidare and will presume this may be what I have. Wha, your 'weeping tree' threw me off, as this is definitely not one of those low umbrella types. At this point it is about 10' tall, slender and upright. It's had a tough life (more of a rescue tree) so who knows what the actual branching habit will be. I will assume it is a tallish red tree with cascading habit and place it accordingly. Time will tell. Thanks for the info.

I have a couple other 'no-name' JMs which I may post here once they have leafed out to try to identify, although it may take until the fall to really figure out as many change color with each season. In the meanwhile, I'll just dig them in and see how they do.

Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

if it is 10' it is not Inabe Shirade - it is miss labeled. you will need to post pictures when they leaf out.

Cedarhome, WA(Zone 8b)

I will likely post pictures of all my no-names and see if we can sort out who is who. Most are rescue trees so not too pretty at the moment (severe damage and resultant harsh pruning) but I am hopeful they will recover to be nice graceful trees. I will be planting them in my outback areas, so they will be comingling with alder, aspen, fir, and cedar. Should be nice bright spots here and there.

Sacramento, CA(Zone 9a)

I did a little unofficial research to look up other JMs that include "shidare" in the name just to see if something would sound close to what yours was labeled and I came up with these:

Ao shime-no-uchi shidare
Beni shidare
Goshiki shidare
Inaba shidare
Jiro shidare
Oshu shidare
Shojo shidare

Of course, from what I understand, new cultivars are introduced frequently so maybe Itame Shidare is new and we're just not familiar with it?

I think that if and when Davidsan shows up on this thread he'll say something along the lines of how it's next to impossible to identify a cultivar if you didn't get it from a reputable JM dealer and keep an exact track of its provenance.

Springfield, IL(Zone 6a)

Inaba shidare is a weeping hardy red dissectum it size depends on where you are It is easily searchable by goiogle as stated can be high or low grafted staked or unstaked if low or high graft .. not it would never get 10ft tall whether it is a real Inaba who knows as said it depends on where yoiu bought it and whether it is a grafted true to cultivar tree... .. it is not disimilar to tamukeyama Red dragon ( a little more vertical or several other red dissectums ....m verification is impossible .D

Cedarhome, WA(Zone 8b)

Thanks all. I will just plant these puppies and see what they look like when they leaf out. Some have tags, some don't. I'll just refer to them as A.P. "red" or "green" in my plant database. If they are already fairly tall, they'll go out in the forest. If short, I'll put them closer in. Seems easy enough.

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