A grey .... Q 1221 from Kyushu :
Dany's MGs 2012 # 2
Thanks Dany, your information about sterility among youjiros is very useful. Have you ever noticed any differences between nils and youjiros with respect to vigor of the vine or profuseness of the flowering or any other differences?
Love the Q1221 from Kyushu - a lovely smoky lavender-gray indeed
Love all your blooms Dany. How nice to have that many in bloom. Your lvs look healthy too.
I love the way you took those pictures with the sun just hitting the garden - all very splendiferous - thank you
Karen ... how to get the 'Plasma Ray Flow' effect ?
Where is the key ?... Which cultivar ? ..... Chance.... only ?
Dany, I don't know and my computer does not do Asian characters.
However, in my ignorance, I can guess "how to get the 'Plasma Ray Flow' effect". On those last 3 links you just posted from Yoneda's examples of ray flow, toward the top of the page, the interspecific hybrid was spelled out:
(I. nil (Africa) x I. purpurea (flaked)) x I. nil
Sooooo - since the youjiros we have already contain the flaked purpurea, we could try crossing our youjiros with nils with different kinds of blizzard, flake, fleck, etc. patterns and see what comes up in F3 and keep crossing those results with each other and hope that eventually a ray flow pattern appears.
But, Dany, if you have the flower exhibiting the plasma ray flow effect as shown in your first link, then you already have the pattern among your morning glories.
So, with regard to your question here: "Where is the key ?... Which cultivar ? ... Chance... only ?"
Are you asking me to explain where the ray flow pattern comes from? My guess is that the ray flow pattern is in the genes of the flaked purpurea that many of us have been growing out in this forum and that Dr. Yoneda used to cross with the African nil that eventually yielded the youjiro which we also have been growing out in our gardens.
I think chance is what we see on the surface, but that scientific laws of cause and effect, which we often only know of through deduction, underlie surface effects. But this is only observation and opinion on my part, no proof one way or the other.
I'll bet you already knew everything I just said lol Do you want to ask the question in a different way? Maybe I can guess in a different way lol
Hey ! Elsa is back !
Karen , I ask this question because I don't know how it work ! The first picture is not mine .It comes from the forum at the University of Kyushu - this forum does not exist anymore! Sniff ... Sniff!
(I. nil (Africa) x I. purpurea (flaked)) x I. nil = F3 = MG with Plasma Ray Flow .
(I. nil (Africa) x I. purpurea (flaked)) = Youjiro
Youjiro X I. nil = F3 = MG with Plasma Ray Flow .
The mystery is this last ipomoea Nil used to produce the F3. I made dozens of crossing with Youjiro .... like everyone else on this forum .... and never got Plasma Ray Flow effect.
Emma has some MG with Plasma Ray Flow , .... she has created it or has she received it? we can recreate the experience or the chance counts for a lot!
I would create the 'five pieces of Cake' MG by crossing these two cultivars lol ! :
For Plasma Ray Flow ... a track : http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/PCD2521/htmls/49.html
Maybe this is a type of flower that appears from time to time but that is not reproducible by seed!
Here Fuji no Monet ... it's not blizzard ... but something else !
Pretty neat blooms on your no Monet Dany. Are those blooms from your crosses? I love the baby blue with blizzard too.
Wow, they are all so pretty. Those last pictures are a very pretty blue!
The leaves on those vines are gorgeous Dany. Beautiful 'yoi no tsuki', I favor the last one though.
Wow, I have never seen a leaf that big or beautiful! Love the blue almost purple flowers also!
So lovely! The purest blues and whites are always my favorites.
Ditto Patootie - I see ray flow in there, too.
Dany, I would be curious to see what kinds of offspring you would get with crossing this flower with each of the different kinds of blizzard, which are said to be dominant to the recessive solid pattern (there are exceptions to this).
But, I would also be curious to see if the recessive nature of the solid MG pattern would somehow enhance the ray flow pattern in a cross.
And what about those MGs with variegated leaves? Do variegated leaves somehow link to certain characteristics in flower patterns?? I wonder how this might play out with ray flow???
I can't wait to see what your F3 does :)
Thanking you for a most intriguing thread,
I love the variegated foliage, but find the blossoms are usually inferior. Wouldn't it be lovely to find brilliant interesting, abundant blossoms AND nice variegated foliage?
The hummingbirds don't seem very interested in Heavenly Blue but the swallowtail butterflies sure do. Anyone need any horseradish, it's taking over my raised bed garden......... also the rhubarb has really multiplied.