can anyone recognise this?
SOLVED: mystery flower
Is it a Schizanthus or Mimulus?
Looks like a member of the Liliaceae to me...6 petals, thick substance.
It is tropical, (I'm in Nigeria), about 4-5" ovate-ish leaves about 6". Forms long green buds, swollen at end which open out into the flower. don't think it's Schizanthus or Mimulus. Shrub currently about 2-3m high. will check out Liliacaceae
Wow, that is one gorgeous, huge flower. We're gonna be glad you joined and WELCOME to DG - glad to have you here. ~Blooms
Welcome to DG!!!!
Beautiful flower, please keep posting.
Georgous huge flower ! Thanks for sharing.
More , more , more photos !............ lol
Welcome to DG , looking forward to more of your posts.
It sure is pretty. I hope someone comes along that knows what it is.
The calyx/style is unusual. Please let us know if it is ID'd.
Just got a very nice new Wayside Gardens catalog. It shows Lilium majoense. Check [[email protected]] and see if it looks like a match.
I also just ran across this site with some very nice Lily photos. My German is more than a bit rusty, but by clicking around you will find a very nice assortment of lily photos and scientific names. http://members.surfeu.de/fuliro/ga.htm click on "lilien" below the main photo
Welcome to DG, PortHarcourt.
This is no lily... doesn't 2-3m translate to 6-9ft???
I agree it's not a Lily, a friend pointed out that the stamen and stigma arrangement is similar to Gardenia, which is in the Rubiaceae. Unfortunately Rubiaceae is very variable and many plants are little written about but I think that they are right on the family.
Thank you so much for your suggestions. I thought it came closest to looking like a lily but It is too pink to be the Lilium Majoense. Now realise it probably isn't a lily, being so tall and as veins are not parallel, ( I'm a novice) will try & get a photo of the leaf. Will check out Rubiaceae
I found a little introduction to botanical nomenclature that I thought interesting:
[[* Choripetalae are plants having flowers with their petals (or comparable flower leaves) not joined. Except for the Juniper (and other introduced pine family members) all larger woody species (willows, birches) on Iceland belong to this group. But also many others, like Rose family, Buttercup family, Primrose family, Pink family, Saxifrage family and many others.
* Sympetalae have petals fused at the base or even much upward. Example: Gentian family, Mint family, Bellflower family, Figwort family, Heather family, Daisy family, etc.]]
There was not an inclusive list of all the families belonging to the two groups. But I believe that lilies (Lilium family) would fall in the first mentioned category and portharcourt's flower obviously Sympetalae. And yes, Rubiaceae is within the second group, but it seems quite a number of familes are.
But tell me, are the stamens (pollen bearing heads) actually ATTACHED to the corolla (petals) as they appear to be, or are there thin weak filaments I am not seeing? If attached -- surely this must be characteristic of a rather limited number of families, genera, species....
PortH -- in addition to the leaf: a flower from the side, a branch showing positioning of the leaves (and buds), and a long shot of the shrub showing general shape/spread -- would all be useful.
The quote is from this Dutch site, giving forematter for a treatment of the flora of Iceland.
Also, does this plant occur in a cultivated area, or does it appear to be native to Nigeria?
Thanks for the additional photos (Really great ones, I might add) and information. They will be very helpful as we search for its ID. I have been searching and searching for it. The blooms are sooo beautiful.
This has been a real mystery! It's also been educational - learned so much in searching for this one. While doing so stumbled on to this site that let me look by photos - nope, didn't find yours there, but some of you may want to bookmark it. Someone let me know if it should not be posted and I will edit asap.
The hunt continues :)
wow, what eye candy. And the names are funny, i.e. kangaroo paw
How about some special prize for the person who finally IDs this beauty?
Well there is this web site to identify plants http://www.colby.edu/info.tech/BI211/PlantFamilyID.html and then a botanical dictionary to translate all the botanical terminolgy, http://www.calflora.net/botanicalnames/botanicalterms.html but I am not getting very far. Need a fully fledged botanist. Even more worrying no more buds. This is the last flower for now. We are into the Harmattan season, a wind laden with sand from the Sahara reduces the sunlight , so I don't think it will flower for a couple of months
That's a beautiful flower, I'll definitely be watching this thread to see if it's identified.
Well, keep us updated on what the flower "becomes" as it fades -- a seed pod or seed at all might turn on someone's lightbulb!
Absolutely gorgeous!!!!!!! Hope someone figures it out, I'd grow one too!
Porthacourt, a warm welcome to DG, and we hope many more flowers, Annie
Is this getting closer !!
The flower looks similar in shape colour & texture, but that one has just 5 petals and I cannot see if the stamens are attached to the petals like my flower. Also those leaves are shinier, longer and thinner, my flower did have a slight scent, a bit gardenia ish, and initially I looked at this picture & thought it must be a close relative, but now i'm not so sure. I will keep looking.
p.s. I see the first photo does have six petals, and when you open the others they all have 5!! so must have been taking photos of two species. or can flowers of the same species have different numbers of petals?
Boot! I think it *is* getting closer! You know, it crossed my mind to wonder if the flower ALWAYS had six parts/petals... the pic you link to shows mostly five petals, with one four and one six! And, appears white or mostly white to my eye... As was the one at
where I learned that Rothmannia annae is an endangered species endemic to the Seychelles Islands...
So I searched on the genus and found some that are native to Africa and, PortH -- this may be number 4 for natives, as I have this quote from the Botanical Dermatology Database (u.k.):
"Rothmannia -- 20 species are found in tropical and southern Africa. Rothmannia longiflora -- The fruits yield a black dye which is used in Nigeria for making blue-black markings on the face or body (Oliver 1961)."
Other species names I found for Zambia, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Uganda, and unspecified: englerana, fischerii (subsp. fischeri & subsp. moramballae), whitfieldii, capensis, globosa, longiflora, urcelliformis, manganjae. I.e. about 8 out of the 20 cited.
Now, flowers in these three pics all appear predominately white,
However! I was quite excited to see the last one, as it showed the adnate-to-embedded stamens like portH's! I'd hate to say how long I spent looking for ANY flower with this feature! AND, although this specimen is identified as R.longiflora I'm wondering if it is (or if the coloration of R.longi is variable?) -- because! here is a drawing (on a Gambia postage stamp) of R.longiflora showing SIGNIFICANT dark red streaks on a cream background. The stamens are rather artistically drawn and not conclusive, and the large style/stigma/pistil is missing from the drawing, but it IS "just" a drawing.
I would bet money that it is FOR SURE a Rothmannia which is (naturally) a RUBIACEAE -- and as Baa noted, many members thereof are not well documented. So the species may or may not even be mentioned here... although longiflora is linked to Nigeria by the one reference...
I will tell you, Baa, the similarity of this FLOWER to my garden gardenia was *lost* on me... altho' the *leaves* did sway me to focus my (unsuccessful) search on the Rubiaceae... a final quote -- from the Journal of the Tree Society of Zimbabwe: "BOTANIC GARDEN WALK: 4 MAY 2002 -- The subject was, for the last time, the difficult family, Rubiaceae. " Huh!
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SOME plants' flowers can vary in number of petals -- a recent reference photo of a clematis in this forum for example, also had 4, 5, or 6 petals like boot's Rothmannia link.
kell and others: while I suspect that the Rothmannia's offered are likely to be white, maybe white with *some* dots or streaks, there is a source (in Hawaii) for R.globosa
however, because it is a plant in SOIL, it cannot be shipped to California, Texas, Louisiana, or Arizona.
Sandeman Seeds in France has seeds (9 euro for 100) for R.globosa and R.capensis... plus, no doubt, shipping from France! So, how much does anyone want, not actually THIS plant, but a related one? (R.capensis is also quite exotic looking, with longer petals/more of the petals longer beyond the funnel-form connate/attached part.)
Forgot the second link
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Thanks so much to everyone, i am learning so much about flowers through this one. it must be a Rothmannia of somekind, and as suggested above, native which is why it doesn't feature any where as so little research of flora has been done in this area. I've emailed the pics to a reseach place in Calabar, hope to get a reply. Have just taken photo of dead flower which I'll post later.