dwdruley, the Google answer service sounds more and more tempting. Thanks for the offer to be a contributor! :o)
SOLVED: mystery flower
stetchworth, thanks for the offer. When I finally give up, I'll let you know.
bootandall, I obviously still have not located this plant; but, I haven't given up ... yet.
Here's a Rothmannia manganjae tree that is native to Kenya. This particular image was taken at the botanical garden in Brisbane, AU.
Thanks for the photo, Ron. I have been thinking that it is not a Rothmannia due to the number of petals and the shape and texture of the bloom plus no one has been able to find a photo that looks exactly like it. But I sure could be wrong. I have found 2 photos that resemble the bloom almost to a "T", but one was a lily and the other was a low growing plant. When I saw both photos, not knowing what they were yet, I was very relieved and thought I had finally found it ... but my excitement sadly turned to frustration. I am thinking of taking the photos to Dr. Moy at the San Antonio Botanical Garden.
porthacourt, has it developed seeds, seedpods or fruit yet? Is the midrib on the backside of the leaf reddish? What I find interesting and real clues to its identity are the leaves which have the veins not meeting at the midrib (they are set off a bit or appear to be), the prominent veining on the backside of the leaf and the "nodes" or whatever they are called where the lateral branches extend from the main branches.
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Well, I just read through this whole thread. Portharcourt also mentions that the plant smells lightly like gardenia. Both Gardenia and Rothmannia belong to the Rubiaceae. As a matter of fact Rothmannia capensis is referred to as 'wild gardenia' in South Africa. Another bush that is closely related to Rothmannia is Randia, so you might want to check that out as well.
Personally, it looks like a species of Rothmannia to me.
I have been searching for this one for months. Did it ever make a fruit, seedpod, etc?
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About once every few weeks, I keep searching. Has anyone ever come up with a clue as to this ?
Dea, I sent a D mail to Portharcourt to see if he ever heard anything from the man in Camaroon. I hope he's still a member and gets this mail.
It is still a mystery, the man in Cameroon didn't reply, I just refer to it as my mystery Rothmannia, have since propagated many more. No fruit or seed pods form, it just rots away but it grows from cuttings, I get about a 50% success rate.
glad to here you are still there. It is great it will grow from cuttings.
This is a link to a very small picture of Rothmannia megalostigma, the only one I've found in Internet. The leaves are the same as the one Portharcourt is trying to identify. The buds also seem to have the same appearance. The bloom in the picture seems to be dried so it's impossible to compare with it.
I've got the link from this Rubiaceae list. It comes from West Africa.
I have been searching for this one on and off all year.
Carlos, the leaves of Rothmannia megalostigma sure look like those on Portharcourt's plant. Although the mystery plant's leaves have a more narrow point on the tips, it may be due to the angles of the photos.
Portharcourt, when I copied and blew up and digitally enhanced the photo to which Carlos added a link, it appears that the dried bloom may have 6 petals, but it was still difficult to determine.
In this larger photo of Rothmannia megalostigma, the veins appear to curve parallel to the edge as your leaf does; however, the veins are more dark.
portharcourt, I hope you dont mind. I have also looked for the Id for your beauty, and came up short. I took your photos and mailed them to Professor Chrisitian Puff that was posting the Rothmannia megalostigma pictures. I hope he reads and answeres his mail and maybe have an answere for us.
I am very happy that so many people are taking an interest. I have just got a new gardener who tells me it is quite commonly seen in the bush. The contents of the seed pod was used by the Ibo people for Uli (body painting) http://www.prm.ox.ac.uk/uli.htm. This pod was from a friends Rothmannia x which is about 5 years old. It was an old pod and rotten inside. Mine haven't produced a seed pod yet.
portharcourt, great news!!!! i could not get the URL, can you send it again please, I have been following this story all the way through!!
I showed this picture to my husband. He said it was a philianthrus campogee.
Then he told me he made that name up. Grrrrrr.
Wow, that was quite interesting! Thanks PotEmUp for fixing it.
Do you think you have the Uli plant? Fascinating to say the least.
hi, just stumbled across this, very interesting. My first impressions were the leaf reminded me of eriobotrya, the way the flower hangs of brugmansia! of course the will be many similarities in many species. Having read through the above, the Rothmannia and Rubiaceae theory looks promising, so I did a search for 'flowering plants indigenous to Nigeria', and come up with several interesting links. One here of plant studies for medicinal purposes lists many found wild, only the one belonging to this group, Diodia scandens, the height 3 metres, but flowers don't sound quite right, can't find a photo.
The link may be useful anyway, so here it is'
here is a link to lots of African plant links, with more links......
another with lots of rubiaceae in Gabon
I posted this on another site and they said that this plant was Rothmannia maculata.
Thanks Ron, what a great thread this is. I still keep searching :)
Ron, there isn't an species with the name Rottmannia maculata. There is one called Randia maculata which is a synonym for Rothmannia longiflora but, and it's just my opinion, this unknown isn't a R. longiflora.
Kew Gardens did come back to me with an ID Rothmannia Longiflora, adding that most specimens have 5 petals. I'm doubtful though, having searched through the literature, not only does the Longiflora have 5 petals in every illustration I've seen, it has a different shape flower and less pink speckling in the centre. So I'm still investigating.
you might have a sport,have your cutting flowered yet??
I have to wait about three years, so probably won't be here by then, but I have 8 plants now, about a metre high, all doing well and the parent tree is blooming continuously and producing the odd seed pod.
i just saw this thread and the first thing that came to mind was Strophanthus gratus altho my flowers weren't that exact color. i have to do alittle research. edited to add a picture of S. preussii http://florawww.eeb.uconn.edu/acc_num/198500461.html
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doing alittle more research i was able to come up with various sources that sited as many as 28 species in this genus (all from africa), altho some of that info may be outdated. in the picture above where you showed the whole plant, my feeling of being in the Strophanthus genus increases because it appears to be a scandent shrub with alot of suckering. i had the species gratus which did the same and was often listed in the vine section of books altho i would not personally have called it a vine. altho i have alot of species names i haven't come across many pictures even doing google searches, but i am still looking.
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