SOLVED: mystery flower

Port Harcourt, Nigeria

All the botanists I've contacted are fairly certain it is a Rothmannia, and the Rothmannia Longiflora (The ID given by the botanist specialising in W.African flora at Kew) was used in the past for body painting in Nigeria as my gardener assures my my plant was. I just need to see a labelled illustration of a six petalled Rothmannia Longiflora with the same colouring as mine to be convinced. It would be exciting to have found a new species but with all the locals being familiar with it I suppose it's unlikely.

South Florida, FL(Zone 10b)

Portharcourt, i've been following this with a lot of interest. have looked everywhere and like the others above the closest I've come is to Randia maculata syn. Randia longiflora syn. Rothmania longiflora (although all the pictures I've seen have 5 petals) Here are some links which I'm sure you must have seen before, but I include them just in case http://www.dierbergertropicais.com.br/luisbacher/albuns/arbustos/index.htm and
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=randia%20maculata&sa=N&tab=wi
Maybe what you have is some sort of Randia sp.
This has been very interesting.
I also found this that may be of interest http://www.systbot.gu.se/staff/clagus/randia.html
And this too were Randia maculata is referresd as Ibuje http://ijele.com/issue4/folaranmi.html

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Bessemer City, NC(Zone 7b)

Is there a milky sap?

Robert.

Spring Valley, CA(Zone 10a)

portharcourt,

Have your botanist contacts check out Rothmannia megalostigma.

-Ron-

Mission Beach, Tropi, Australia

I believe this is pseudogardenia kalbreyerii from Gabon, Cameroon etc. (also called randia)

Portharcourt, I would be very interested in talking to you about this plant - I have a special interest. :)

Sierra Madre, CA

Google doesn't bring up anything under that name. Could you have misspelled it?

Sierra Madre, CA

OK, it's spelled Pseudogardenia kalbreyeri with only a single 'i'.

Sierra Madre, CA

And it's apparently now Gardenia kalbreyeri.

Dublin, CA(Zone 9a)

Did you find a picture of it? I couldn't find one, but no Gardenia or Randia that I've ever seen has flowers that look at all like that, so I'd be surprised if that's what it is. But there's always that one plant in every genus that doesn't look like the rest of the genus, so I suppose it's possible.

Mission Beach, Tropi, Australia

There is a picture of Pseudogardenia Kalbreyeri (sorry about the previous typo) in T.M. Greensill's 1964 book Gardening in the Tropics. The plant name has changed and is now Adenorandia Kalbreyeri. This link to a Kew page shows its current name and synonyms. http://www.catalogueoflife.org/show_species_details.php?record_id=4093890

It is difficult to find an image of it on the Net. I have found it previously, but I'll look again and post a link if I find one.

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6a)

Hunting this since 2004 :)

Great work everyone - thanks for the links wallaby !

Frederick, MD(Zone 6a)

Here is a gardenia that looks somewhat similar, although not the same coloration. I believe the site is from Croatia?

It is the 2nd photo

http://www.cvijet.info/savjeti/kategorije/9/savjet/55.aspx

Mol, Belgium(Zone 8a)

Dea, the second photo is a hibiscus rosa-sinensis cultivar called Ali'i Ui.

Regards

Carlos

Frederick, MD(Zone 6a)

Thank you !!

Dublin, CA(Zone 9a)

I was having fun with the French version! I was able to understand most of it :-)

The flower description seems to fit, so I think this mystery may finally be solved!

Lincoln, United Kingdom(Zone 8a)

There is one part of the flower description which doesn't seem to fit,

"corolla tubular, tube 1016 cm long".

The corolla is the 'skirt' in the centre usually with petals surrounding it as in Fuchsias. They also have a tube attached to the top of the flower which then attaches to the flower stem which holds it to the plant.

This flower doesn't have a tubular corolla, and it doen't look to have a 4" to 6.5" long tube.

Crane Hill, AL

Your camera did a great job with this photo. What kind of camera did you use? Sorry, can not ID.

Mission Beach, Tropi, Australia

Sorry, can't find images on the Net and Greensill's image won't scan satisfactorily.

This is what he said about it in his book: "PSEUDOGARDENIA KALBREYERI (Rubiacaeae) - often known as "Randia": This shrub bears one of the largest and most beautiful flowers to be seen in the tropics. It is shaped like a trumpet, about 9 inches in length and 4 to 5 inches across. Very heavily perfumed. Cream in colour, with cerise splashes inside. The leaves are large and hairy. Grows to a height of about 20 feet, and the same width across, and thrives in full sun or semi-shade. Probably looks best when planted in a corner of the garden. It can be a magnificent sight when in full bloom at the beginning of the rains, and usually flowers twice a year. Grows easily from cuttings or seed, but seed is not often produced."

Lake Toxaway, NC(Zone 7a)

Is there anywhere to get the seeds in the U.S?

Mission Beach, Tropi, Australia

Re: "Is there anywhere to get the seeds in the U.S?"

We have the importation of seeds of Adenorandia kalbreyeri, syn. Pseudogardenia kalbreyeri, Gardenia kalbreyeri, gazetted for legal importation into Australia.

Regardless of whether the mystery plant is Adenorandia or not, I would very much like to get seeds of authentic Adenorandia kalbreyeri.

Can anybody, anywhere in the world supply me with some?

(Zone 9b)

I used to watch this thread, thought no ID yet. I just ran across a flower of Randia maculata and thought it was this one. I was so excited. So I came back over to DG to find this thread. I see it is some sort of Randia. Not quite the same as the one I found. But a great plant too. http://www.flickr.com/photos/luisbacher/3450535309/in/photostream

Lee's Summit, MO(Zone 6a)

Has anyone found a source for this beautiful plant?

mid central, FL(Zone 9a)

we sure had a good time with this thread. i can't believe it was that many years ago......

(Zone 9b)

I was shocked too, Debi. I thought it was just last year.

mid central, FL(Zone 9a)

lol. i can't believe you even remembered the name of the plant. you're a better woman than i.

Prairieville, LA(Zone 9a)

This thread's pics showed up in a google search I did a couple days ago while searching for a gardenia species....the search base is much larger now than when this was originally posted....grin

mid central, FL(Zone 9a)

yeah, it was back in the olden days......lol i remember being bounced around in the covered wagon while i searched.

Lee's Summit, MO(Zone 6a)

Sooooo - did anyone find a source for getting this plant?

mid central, FL(Zone 9a)

was it even positively identified?

Prairieville, LA(Zone 9a)

Yeah, I could feel the rocking of the boat and hear all the animals griping about accommodations as I was reading....LOL

I think the final determination was Randia/Adenorandia....from the Gardenia family of fine plants....grin

Here is a source for purchasing Randias, Kay

http://toptropicals.com/html/toptropicals/catalog/photo_db/R.htm?NumPerPage=20&NumPerLine=4&listonly=0&first=60

Lee's Summit, MO(Zone 6a)

Jean, thank you! I added it to my 'wish list'. If anyone has cuttings to trade, dmail me.

Prairieville, LA(Zone 9a)

You are very welcome Kay...I have a "drool" list too...grin

Lee's Summit, MO(Zone 6a)

Well, maybe some of us should band together and buy the plant and try to root cuttings. I'm not that good at rooting uncommon plants, but maybe someone could - just a thought!

Prairieville, LA(Zone 9a)

According to Portharcourt's posts, it seems to be relatively easy to root cuttings. I will look again, maybe can find a source that is reasonably priced.

Mol, Belgium(Zone 8a)

The final name was Adenorandia kalbreyeri. Here's a pic
http://www.westafricanplants.senckenberg.de/root/index.php?page_id=14&species=2297

Carlos

Prairieville, LA(Zone 9a)

Many thanks for the ID info Carlos.

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

I remember this thread and am so happy that the plant has a name now!!! :0)

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Lee's Summit, MO(Zone 6a)

Now I hope someone can find a place to BUY this beauty!!!

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