All the botanists I've contacted are fairly certain it is a Rothmannia, and the Rothmannia Longiflora (The ID given by the botanist specialising in W.African flora at Kew) was used in the past for body painting in Nigeria as my gardener assures my my plant was. I just need to see a labelled illustration of a six petalled Rothmannia Longiflora with the same colouring as mine to be convinced. It would be exciting to have found a new species but with all the locals being familiar with it I suppose it's unlikely.
SOLVED: mystery flower
Portharcourt, i've been following this with a lot of interest. have looked everywhere and like the others above the closest I've come is to Randia maculata syn. Randia longiflora syn. Rothmania longiflora (although all the pictures I've seen have 5 petals) Here are some links which I'm sure you must have seen before, but I include them just in case http://www.dierbergertropicais.com.br/luisbacher/albuns/arbustos/index.htm and
Maybe what you have is some sort of Randia sp.
This has been very interesting.
I also found this that may be of interest http://www.systbot.gu.se/staff/clagus/randia.html
And this too were Randia maculata is referresd as Ibuje http://ijele.com/issue4/folaranmi.html
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Have your botanist contacts check out Rothmannia megalostigma.
I believe this is pseudogardenia kalbreyerii from Gabon, Cameroon etc. (also called randia)
Portharcourt, I would be very interested in talking to you about this plant - I have a special interest. :)
Google doesn't bring up anything under that name. Could you have misspelled it?
OK, it's spelled Pseudogardenia kalbreyeri with only a single 'i'.
Did you find a picture of it? I couldn't find one, but no Gardenia or Randia that I've ever seen has flowers that look at all like that, so I'd be surprised if that's what it is. But there's always that one plant in every genus that doesn't look like the rest of the genus, so I suppose it's possible.
There is a picture of Pseudogardenia Kalbreyeri (sorry about the previous typo) in T.M. Greensill's 1964 book Gardening in the Tropics. The plant name has changed and is now Adenorandia Kalbreyeri. This link to a Kew page shows its current name and synonyms. http://www.catalogueoflife.org/show_species_details.php?record_id=4093890
It is difficult to find an image of it on the Net. I have found it previously, but I'll look again and post a link if I find one.
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I got excited when I googled and the link said /images/, this is what I got!
Seeds are allowed for importation to Australia,
In fact I only got 9 results in a google search!
Hunting this since 2004 :)
Great work everyone - thanks for the links wallaby !
Here is a gardenia that looks somewhat similar, although not the same coloration. I believe the site is from Croatia?
It is the 2nd photo
Dea, the second photo is a hibiscus rosa-sinensis cultivar called Ali'i Ui.
Here is the Prota database in English
I was having fun with the French version! I was able to understand most of it :-)
The flower description seems to fit, so I think this mystery may finally be solved!
There is one part of the flower description which doesn't seem to fit,
"corolla tubular, tube 10–16 cm long".
The corolla is the 'skirt' in the centre usually with petals surrounding it as in Fuchsias. They also have a tube attached to the top of the flower which then attaches to the flower stem which holds it to the plant.
This flower doesn't have a tubular corolla, and it doen't look to have a 4" to 6.5" long tube.
Your camera did a great job with this photo. What kind of camera did you use? Sorry, can not ID.
Sorry, can't find images on the Net and Greensill's image won't scan satisfactorily.
This is what he said about it in his book: "PSEUDOGARDENIA KALBREYERI (Rubiacaeae) - often known as "Randia": This shrub bears one of the largest and most beautiful flowers to be seen in the tropics. It is shaped like a trumpet, about 9 inches in length and 4 to 5 inches across. Very heavily perfumed. Cream in colour, with cerise splashes inside. The leaves are large and hairy. Grows to a height of about 20 feet, and the same width across, and thrives in full sun or semi-shade. Probably looks best when planted in a corner of the garden. It can be a magnificent sight when in full bloom at the beginning of the rains, and usually flowers twice a year. Grows easily from cuttings or seed, but seed is not often produced."
Re: "Is there anywhere to get the seeds in the U.S?"
We have the importation of seeds of Adenorandia kalbreyeri, syn. Pseudogardenia kalbreyeri, Gardenia kalbreyeri, gazetted for legal importation into Australia.
Regardless of whether the mystery plant is Adenorandia or not, I would very much like to get seeds of authentic Adenorandia kalbreyeri.
Can anybody, anywhere in the world supply me with some?
I used to watch this thread, thought no ID yet. I just ran across a flower of Randia maculata and thought it was this one. I was so excited. So I came back over to DG to find this thread. I see it is some sort of Randia. Not quite the same as the one I found. But a great plant too. http://www.flickr.com/photos/luisbacher/3450535309/in/photostream
we sure had a good time with this thread. i can't believe it was that many years ago......
lol. i can't believe you even remembered the name of the plant. you're a better woman than i.
This thread's pics showed up in a google search I did a couple days ago while searching for a gardenia species....the search base is much larger now than when this was originally posted....grin
yeah, it was back in the olden days......lol i remember being bounced around in the covered wagon while i searched.
Sooooo - did anyone find a source for getting this plant?
Yeah, I could feel the rocking of the boat and hear all the animals griping about accommodations as I was reading....LOL
I think the final determination was Randia/Adenorandia....from the Gardenia family of fine plants....grin
Here is a source for purchasing Randias, Kay
Jean, thank you! I added it to my 'wish list'. If anyone has cuttings to trade, dmail me.
You are very welcome Kay...I have a "drool" list too...grin
Well, maybe some of us should band together and buy the plant and try to root cuttings. I'm not that good at rooting uncommon plants, but maybe someone could - just a thought!
According to Portharcourt's posts, it seems to be relatively easy to root cuttings. I will look again, maybe can find a source that is reasonably priced.
The final name was Adenorandia kalbreyeri. Here's a pic
I remember this thread and am so happy that the plant has a name now!!! :0)
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Now I hope someone can find a place to BUY this beauty!!!