SOLVED: Dracaena or Yucca ???

Other, Mauritius

Please help me identify this plant. It grows in N-East of Madagascar in an island called Ste Marie, Illes Aux Nattes ( the same place where Cymbidium Falcigera grows) Much rain and very humid almost all the time. Locals there call it yucca but in another post here in D.Garden , some believes it is a Dracaena. I would rather say a Yucca and if it is one , what variety it is ? It does look like a palm but it's not one.It grows very well from cuttings also. The pic is a plant of about 2 years old. Thanks in advance, Timrann

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Other, Mauritius

Here is a close-up of the stem

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Other, Mauritius

A close-up of young fruits now green on the pic but turns orange when ripes.

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Beautiful, BC(Zone 8b)

It does remind me of a Screw Pine (Pandanus sp.). The spiralling leaves aren't as obvious in your pictures but do you see some spiralling?

Beautiful, BC(Zone 8b)

Take a look at this set of Pandanus images: http://www.hear.org/starr/hiplants/images/family/pandanaceae.htm for comparison.

Other, Mauritius

Thanks growin but it is not spiral and neither is a pandanus. It does not have spine neither (though myself i have a variety of pandanus without spine ). I'm sure it is a Yucca but really don't know what variety, if somebody have seen something like that can help me maybe. Do enyone have the book ( Succulent of Madagascar ) or any other book which describes yuccas ? That may help.Thanks, Timrann

Other, Mauritius

Here is another pic of that plant which is a young mature plant. Leaves can be 1.5m long and even more sometimes and arch like. It's the plant in the center.

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Other, Mauritius

another pic of my mysterious plant ; 3 of them ,here growing under semi-shade of padanus.

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(Zone 1)

At first I thought it was definately a draceanana of some sort, but as I look at your other photo's, I think it is a Yucca. We used to have the sword like Yucca growing in our yard many years ago, but got rid of all of them because of getting stuck by those awful pointed edges. My neighbor has some Yucca in her yard that she recently planted, but they are a type that do not have that sharp point! She is out of town for a couple of months or I would ask her what the name is.

Beautiful, BC(Zone 8b)

Here's a Yucca list: http://www.yuccaagavaceae.com/species.html
I believe I have access to a few Madagascar plant books so I'll check those out later today.

Beautiful, BC(Zone 8b)

I'm almost sure that's a Pandanus and I'm sure its not a Yucca. That last photo shows the leaves growing in a spiral patern.

Beautiful, BC(Zone 8b)

My mistake. I was looking at the Pandanus and didn't see the smaller plants - the mystery plant. I'm sure its not a Yucca. It looks more like a Dracaena. There are a few species of Dracaena listed in CITES from this area. I'll look up some more.

mid central, FL(Zone 9a)

i think it might be in the Cordyline family. http://davesgarden.com/pf/search.php?search_text=cordyline+&Search=Search

Lincoln, United Kingdom(Zone 8a)

The seeds should be taken note of, that is where the flowers would be. Cordylines, as far as I know e.g. C australis have long dense flower sprays with small seeds.

These seeds remind me of the habit of a Cycad, but the leaves don't.

The leaves do resemble this Dracaena but they appear to be broader and shorter than the plant in question. I'm not sure of the habit of Dracaena flowers either but did find a pic with a long spray.

http://www.dracaena.com/Massangeana.asp

http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/image?query=Dracaena+fragrans+Massangeana



mid central, FL(Zone 9a)

edited to correct. i'm not thinking of the right plant.

This message was edited Mar 3, 2007 9:08 PM

ok, this is what i'm thinking of. http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/2229/index.html

This message was edited Mar 3, 2007 9:13 PM

Other, Mauritius

thanks trackinsand ,but your first reply would be more correct . Because mine has long 1-1.5 m and rather thin compared to blue grass and in fact the closest ressemblence in within your first reply as cordyline with the pic posted by monocromatico, pic taken at the Rio de Jeneiro botanical garden on the august 2004. It really ressembles a lot but is it the same plant. It's rather confusing now, here is another family tree, Yucca , dracaena or cordyline ??? I wonder the cordyline pic of monocromatico is not a mistake to consider it as cordyline or is it really ? Anyway if somebody confirm that a cordyline fruits are attached like that in the center of the plant maybe !! ?? watch the fruits pic above .Thanks a lot, waiting for more precise matchs. I repeat again it do ressembles like the pic of momocromatico.

Beautiful, BC(Zone 8b)

My experience with Dracaena and Cordyline is that the flower/fruit are on a long branch. The main stem looks very much Yucca/Dracaena/Cordyline so I guess it would be Agavaceae. I'm stumped by the fruit/flower tightness to the main stem. Does it grow differently in exposed or shaded locations?

http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/37245/ Manfreda

Other, Mauritius

No,growin i have always seen it like this the fruits attached tightly to the center of the leaves on top when the plant matures, yes even in a shady or full shade situation. But in the hyperlink the plant pics posted by palmbob ( furcraea )seem to be more thick and the end - tip of the leaves are very sharp and dangereous as some aloes or yuccas. Whereas my plant is soft and is handled without gloves or eye goggles ; at the base of the leaves on the surface it's brownish-purple in colour and the leaves in general is just green, also the leaves arches (bend ) like many palms's branches. It's already dark here tomorrow i'll post a close-up pic of that. Thanks again growin,fondly timrann.

mid central, FL(Zone 9a)

did you mention whether you've seen flowers? and if so, what color?

Other, Mauritius

No ,sorry trackinsand i don't know what the colour of the flower or how it looks like, i presume that if the fruits are so close and tightly held in the center, then the flower could not be in long bracts or lower. Anyway i'll see all my pics if perhaps i have pic of the flower, though i'm not sure of having one.The plants in pots in is in Mauritius ( brouht from Madagascar), about 2 years or less and is easily grown by cuttings ( and those in pots are from cuttings).Whereas those planted on soil among " crotons "and other plants is in Ste. Marie Madagascar and also the 3 underneath the pandanuses.Thanks trackinsand.

Phoenix, AZ(Zone 9b)

Yuccas send up an inflorescence flower stalk, and don't have fruit like that.

Lincoln, United Kingdom(Zone 8a)

There are a lot of plants in Madagascar that have only recently been 'discovered'. I wonder if this one is known there but has yet to be 'discovered' by the rest of the world.

It looks very similar to Cordyline dracaenoides, which itself is not well know, but the inflorescence is on a stalk. It does however have blackish berries. This makes me wonder if they are related from when the land masses were one, both developing differently through evolutionary processes.

http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/pix/CorDra.shtml

Other, Mauritius

here is a close-up of the base of the leaves which are brownish-purple in colour underneath.

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