SOLVED: SOLVED: No idea: recognize it anyone?

Saint Cloud, FL(Zone 9b)

These plants have very nice blue flowers when blooming. I wish I had taken a picture of it when it did that. The leaves get really long and kind of drape all over the place. The bulblike-roots grows little babies on its side, so it gets kind of crowded where they are growing.

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Keaau, HI

They look like Crinums.

Garland, TX(Zone 8a)

The foliage does look like that of Crinum.

Hyacinthoides hispanica, "Spanish Bluebell" came to mind with the mention of blue flowers, but the foliage doesn't seems right...

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/763/

Mona in Metcalfe, ON(Zone 5a)

not spanish bluebells they have oval almost rectangular leaves mine are just coming up cant wait to see the blooms

Saint Cloud, FL(Zone 9b)

Some of the images of Crinum look familiar... I guess I just have to wait till it blooms and then post a picture of it again... Thanks!

Grants Pass, OR(Zone 7a)

What zone are you in? When does the plant bloom? What does the flower look like? Where is the plant located (sun or shade)?

Saint Cloud, FL(Zone 9b)

Hi Martha, I'm in zone 9. The plant is located on the west side of a building- right up against it so it get direct sunlight in the later part of the day, but not in the mornings. The flowers- I wasn't really paying attention. All I really remember is that they impressed the heck out of me! Big! I didn't really know whether those plants were planted there or if they just kind of migrated there as weeds.... It was a surprise to see them flowering. I hadn't cought the gardening bug yet, and I couldn't tell you when they bloomed. Lets just hope they do it again!

Myrtle Beach, SC(Zone 8b)

is it agapanthus? http://courses.nres.uiuc.edu/hort343/images/bulbs/agapanthus.jpg

Saint Cloud, FL(Zone 9b)

ArchAngeL01- I don't think so. The Crinum flowers look more familiar. I took another pic of a whole plant with root in case it might help. The leaves are kind of greasy-ish and are not flat. You can squeeze them a bit.

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Mona in Metcalfe, ON(Zone 5a)

thats a bulb plant

Saint Cloud, FL(Zone 9b)

Yes, I dug one bunch (looked like one large plant) up and was able to get like 8 different plants. I still have some not planted yet. I keep their roots in water. They seem fine that way, which kind of surprised me!

Keaau, HI

Crinums love water! Many Crinums live along riverbanks, marshes, and coastal swamps in their native habitat.

Prairieville, LA(Zone 9a)

I agree with Archangel01. The agapanthus has a fleshier leaf than crinums and their flowers range from a pale lavendar blue to a deep rich almost blue-black. Crinums have either the spidery blooms, or trumpet-like blooms and the only colors my research turned up for crinums was a range from white to pale orange....no blue blooms to be found.

(Carole) Cleveland, TX(Zone 9a)

I'm inclined to go with the Crinum. Are you sure the blooms were blue? I've had Crinums that had long almost wild foliage like yours.

Agapanthus leaves are more narrow than yours, and they tend to bunch almost like onions. I just moved mine the other day and their bulbs were not big like that.

Wondering if they could possibly be some sort of Lily if not the Crinum.

Keaau, HI

Agapanthus leaves are thinner and strap shaped. They do not contain the center rib like the mystery plant shows.
Crinums do show that middle rib.

Myrtle Beach, SC(Zone 8b)

Goodness this is a tuff one ,we have all kinds of opinions lol but crinums dont have blue blooms ,i'm gonna get to the bottom of this and find the answer ,wish me luck!!!

Calgary, AB(Zone 3b)

The alliums pictured go dormant after blooming in spring. Does your plant go dormant, or are the leaves present throughout the summer or year-round? Also, alliums usually have some onion/garlic scent... did you notice any when you dug it up?

Ocala, FL

I have one of these in my yard!! My boyfriend and I were just talking about the fact that it came back from last year. Mine blooms May-June. The blooms are white, but this is definately the same plant. I will work on posting a pic. Foliage is bright green, waxy, and flexible. Alas, I do not think anyone has hit the nail on the head yet. I'll keep looking, flowerehj. I am dying to know also.

Keaau, HI

When it flowers it will be easy to ID!

Coon Rapids, MN(Zone 4a)

My guess is you meant this kind of blue - purple. That's what might have confused everybody - is there any crinium with that color?

Keaau, HI

Hi Malus, that would be Crinum augustum.

Coon Rapids, MN(Zone 4a)

Actually that look like the one I saw in Florida and posted last year!

Clemmons, NC(Zone 7b)

It's no doubt a crinum, but it's not easy to tell which till they bloom, many can look alike by foliage. I can say it's not crinum augustum, aka queen emma', which has dark purplish leaves, no crinum has blue or purple blooms ;) Agapanthus produce much smaller bulbs in clumps with more fibrous roots, not a nice "shapely" bulb like crinum. I dug a bunch of crinums today and wish I had seen this before I repotted them to take a picture. I know that the roots are waaay tough and digging up a mature one can break a shovel, at least here in our Carolina clay! lol...was yours kinda hard to dig?

(Carole) Cleveland, TX(Zone 9a)

The foliage looks identical to the foliage I had on my Milk and Wine a few years ago. Looked for the pictures, but can't locate right now. But oh, I remember having to dig those up! OMG Yes, Tropicanna, A SHOVEL BREAKER!! I couldn't believe it! I ended up LEAVING one of them when I moved. No way could I get it out. Left 'em a nice present!

Upland, CA(Zone 9a)

Amaryllis belladonna

Keaau, HI

Crinum augustum does not have purple tinged leaves. Crinum asiaticum 'Traubii' does, as seen below.

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Keaau, HI

Here is Crinum augustum (no flowers right now).

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Myrtle Beach, SC(Zone 8b)

hmmmmm:

(Carole) Cleveland, TX(Zone 9a)

Oooh! ArchAngel I think you're right!!! That looks just like it!

Clemmons, NC(Zone 7b)

Augustum 'Queen Emma' has dark leaves and deep maroon pink flowers, nothing like flowerhej's picture:
http://stokestropicals.com/Crinum-augustum-Queen-Emma-.htm
http://www.saylorplants.com/pd.asp?pid=2854
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+0502+0056



Keaau, HI

The links depicting the purple flushed leaved Crinum as Crinum augustum are incorrect. That is Crinum asiaticum 'Traubii'!

Crinum asiaticum 'Traubii' is often referred to as "Queen Emma Lily", but it is not Crinum augustum.

A specific detail about Crinum augustum is that the flower heads are so heavy that they flop over towards the ground even before the first flower opens.

The flowers of Crinum augustum are white inside, and deep red-purple outside, which is similar to Crinum asiaticum 'Traubii', but it's leaves are green.

Just because a nursery refers to a Crinum as being a "Queen Emma Lily" does not make it Crinum augustum. For a Crinum to be Crinum augustum, it must fit given botanical descriptions, rather than just being called a "Queen Emma Lily".

Interestingly, when Queen Emma was alive there were not any Crinums being cultivated in Hawai'i.
Although Crinum augustum is said to be her favorite flower, she never had them!
The Allerton family, who bought Queen Emma's house in 1938, cultivated Crinum augustum there, and that is how the plant got dubbed with "Queen Emma Lily".

Clemmons, NC(Zone 7b)

well, I stand corrected, sort of, apparently here's a lot of dispute over c. augustum and the 'Queen Emma' name, and there are university and gov. links I found with both dark leaved forms (which could have been procerum or amable forms) even noted on Marcelle Sheppard's site: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.marcellescrinums.com/images/crinum-general/crinum-augustum-flowers-500sq.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.marcellescrinums.com/html/crinum-species/crinum-augustum.html&usg=__7pWmJwBHlPvQHELgXQQ5MfO-VK8=&h=500&w=500&sz=93&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=UKomqQyQfksF2M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcrinum%2Baugustum%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1
a couple things though--the blooms generally have stripes on the inside of the bloom, and the foliage is clearly very sturdy and pretty upright for a crinum, the bulb also gets huge, not readily offsetting, hence why it is not common here in the states. here's a pic of augustum 'Roxburgh' : http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.crinum.org/crinpics/pic/cr15.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.crinum.org/crinpics/ch_4.html&usg=__SHVRFx2ZtbHbcWvaKJ3Rs6LVeb0=&h=1312&w=898&sz=1318&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=I83AvC782FcU2M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcrinum%2Baugustum%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1
Nothing like the picture flowerehj is trying to id. the leaves are floppy and there's been plenty of offsets in the group of crinums they're trying to id...not to mention they're short and augustum gets huge. I was unable to locate a picture of asiaticum "traubii" when searching, but I did find reference to it in hawaii, looks similar to amabile and procerum forms we have here, very pretty

Escondido, CA

The plant in question is an agapanthus. I live in So. California where they are planted on almost every corner.. There are several varieties and depending on the type and the growing conditions the leaves can be thin or fleshy, narrow or wide. They have a center rib as shown in the photos. In the photo of the roots, there is an area in the center at the bottom which in the photo looks like a bulb but is actually where the plant would have connected to the rest of the clump. This one has been cut off. I have these all over my yard. They bloom in several shades of blue and there is a white variety. There is also a variety with a variegated leaf.

Garland, TX(Zone 8a)

Notice the undulations along the leaf margins. Which Allium, Amaryllis or Agapanthus has this characteristic?

Escondido, CA

nifty413 asked about the undulations along the leaf margins. If you look closely at the photos, you can see that the undulations are not consistent on each leaf. The plant looks rather beat up in the first photo. If it is growing in full shade the leaves will be soft and if it is dry they will tend to flop especially in the shade. If you look closely at the second photo she posted, you will see mealy bug down in the place where the leaves join. Mealy bug are a common pest on agapanthus and cause the leaves to be disfigured including undulations like are on this one.

Clemmons, NC(Zone 7b)

doesn't explain the leaf shape and bulb are completely different though, I grow several species of both agapanthus and crinum and have never seen an agapanthus look like that.
Floppy, wavy, undulating leaves are very typical of many crinum hybrids. Ellen Bousanquet:
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybridsRed#EllenBosanquet
definitely has the undulation and so can JC harvey: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybridsPinkTwo#JCHarvey
these two are the most common found in Southern Gardens, so my guess is that it's one of those.

good luck, flowerehj, when it blooms, post a picture

Summerville, SC

Flowerehj do the flowers look like this?

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Ocala, FL

I am pretty sure this plant is the same as the one in question. White blooms very similar to the last picture posted by hrlyqin. The leaves are such a brighter green though-and much floppier than pictured. They spill and almost curl onto the ground. Hope the pic assists the quest to identify!

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Myrtle Beach, SC(Zone 8b)

What happend to the original poster of this thread?????!!!!!

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